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Uncle_Ed
Hi,

I'm hoping I've come to the right place to find out the answers to some questions I have. In the mid 90's King Features printed a different Disney Christmas serial between Thanksgiving and Christmas that was based on the most recent Disney theatrical release. I understand that this used to be a common practice in the 60's and 70's with Disney comics. I know that an Uncle Remus one ran in the 70's or 80's What I'd like to find out is who actually made them? Was it Disney Comics, Disney Comics artists, or a farmed out company? Can Gemstome reprint these today or is there some sort of legal issue that would stop that from happening. It's a shame that these have never been formally collected or printed in a book format ever. I've recently scanned mine to disc in case these never again see the light of day in my life time before the clipping yellow any more than they already have.

Below I've included a list of each series, the year it ran, and the number of days it ran. These are all the days it was printed in my market but some of them feel like a day is missing. I mean there's a jump in the narration but this is how they were printed here. The one I wonder most about is Beauty and the Beast as it has 2 such places like this. Any help in finding out if my sets are complete would be greatly appreciated.

1992 - A Beauty & the Beast Christmas Story - 23

1993 - Aladdin & the Children of Agrabah - 24

1994 - Simba's Winter Festival - 23

1995 - A Pocahontas Christmas Story - 24

1996 - A Hunchback of Notre Dame Christmas Story - 24

1997 - The Little Mermaid - 24

My area quit carrying them after this. Aladdin and Simba ran in 2 papers in my area. The smaller one printed them in B&W. A couple of the dialy strips were printed in B&W or just in line work in their color runs too. I've searched online for years to find any site that has any information about these strips. I hope that someone here can help me learn more about them.

Many thanks!

- Ed
WB
As nice as this would be, currently it would sadly be impossible (which is a shame).
Gemstone has the license to the classic characters, but does not have the license to print material with the movie characters. The Brer Characters (Song of the South - ?!?!?!?) and Scamp (Lady and The Tramp) are the lone exemptions to this list, probably due to their prolific history with Comics and Stories.
Ever since Disney split the licenses up in the 90's its kind of been a mess outside of the classic characters. Only recently did we get knowledge that Gemstone had the license to print material with the Disney Afternoon characters although they have not done so yet outside of Ducktales, but because Talespin deals with Baloo (Jungle Book) that series wound up being the lone exception to the rule and cannot see print until such a situation is resolved.
On the plus side: Marvel no longer has the rights to them either, so that's SOME sort of plus.
I never knew this existed and I'd love to see them as I'm one of those types that think WDC&S needs more variety and interesting stuff besides duck overload, but alas, until we get that third book and Disney makes licensing a bit easier...
Uncle_Ed
Why doesn't Gemstone get the rights to the films? There were a ton of comics that mixed the classic shorts characters in with the film characters. Are these unprintable too? I have a couple of these from the 50's and 60's. It would also be wonderful for them to reprint the adaptations and spin off stories as well. I'd think there'd be an even higher demand for the film characters than the shorts since these films are reissued every few years. The films these Christmas strips center on are starting their round to being 20 years old. I'd think the day when these licenses fetched the highest premiums are long gone.
I'd have considered Tale Spin to be it's own thing since only 3 characters came from the Jungle Book. Even the Disney Afternoon characters would be a bit hairy as Gargoyles are part of that grouping but someone else prints those comics. Marvel printed Disney Afternoon comics so could Gemstone reprint those and the Disney Adventures ones if they chose? (Speaking of Disney Adventures, who was behind the Disney Comics in those?) I'll never understand how Marvel took the most popular animated films of that time and botched it. I mean it should have been like shooting fish in a barrel but they barely lasted a year. I haven't read those books in years but I fondly remember some of them. I'm not sure what the average age group of members on this site is but I grew up in the 80's and 90's so I know most about the early-mid 90's comics. I would love to see someone come along and reprint the Disney Comics, Marvel Comics, Disney Adventures Comics, and Disney Heroes & Princess Digests (a short lived series that ran in 1997) under one series so they're all there. If you want Aladdin you can have every Aladdin Comic ever done. It would probably never happen though...
These Disney Christmas comics appear to be drawn like their Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, and Aladdin comics. I know they closed their doors after that so I don't know who would have drawn these aftwerward. Perhaps the folks who made the Disney Adventures Disney comics?
Why couldn't Gemstone put together a special proposal for a collected of these and any other Christmas countdown strips into one book or several volumes? It would be a prime time to do it before the source material is forever lost, as I'm guessing the original artwork may be hard to track down. It's not like they're generating any money for Disney sitting in the vault. I've been thinking about putting up an artricle about these on my own website but I wouldn't post the comics beyond excerpts because I'm sure Disney wouldn't like it. Maybe I can help generate interest in getting these, and others in this series, reprinted someday as a book. I keep mine in a photo album and with 4 strips per page they run 6 pages each. I would like to find out if my Beauty and the Beast one is indeed missing a day or two because of the reason I mentioned plus all but Simba ran for 24 strips.
I don't know much about what Gemstone has printed or where to even start in what to buy. I'm a huge Disney fan from way back and I'd love to get all the material but there just seems to be so much of it. I just read here about the Disney Treasures Uncle Scrooge. I'll have to get that. I have the one from last year. Are those the only 2 there are? I wish they would handle these more like the DVD's though and reprint all the stories by subject from story 1 and not mix the old with the new. I'd love to start with Uncle Scrooge's first appearance and head right on through. Anyway, thanks for the response. Maybe others here will know more about these too.
Cacou
Uncle_Ed:
Two of the stories you quote are not in Inducks, namely:
1996 - A Hunchback of Notre Dame Christmas Story - 24
1997 - The Little Mermaid - 24
Could you provide the exact day of the first strip for each of these stories? (the day that is printed on the first strip, like 11/27).
Apart for this, you should find a complete list of these stories up to the 90s here.
If you can provide scans of some of the strips, that would be great too. (There is an upload tool just at the bottom of this page).
Uncle_Ed
Mermaid ran from Dec 1 - Dec 27 1997. Hunchback ran from Dec 2 - Dec 27, 1996

I have only scanned Mermaid, Beauty, and Aladdin so far but I'd be glad to provide Mermaid and Hunchback for that database. Any size/format criteria required? That link you gave is great and just what I've been looking for! I hope that some of these others are complete on your link. I'd love to read them. It just proves what I've been saying, there is enough of these to do several collected volumes.

Interestingly according to your link Beauty and the Beast is complete at 23 but there are 2 jumps in the story and dates printed on them. There is no 12/3 aqnd 12/10 jumps from where 12/9 left off.

Many thanks though! I'll upload some scans as soon as I can.
Uncle_Ed
Aw, sadly there isn't anywhere to read these strips. So sad... I wish they could all be reprinted as books.`
Here is something else interesting, my Pocahontas strips are different than yours. It's the same artwork but it's laid out differently. Isn't that strange? I mean your panels have more artwork and extra text than mine do. There's also panels missing in your sequences.
I thought you only needed the 2 strips you asked about but I'll provide the others no examples exist of too.
WB
Quote from user: Uncle_EdWhy doesn't Gemstone get the rights to the films? There were a ton of comics that mixed the classic shorts characters in with the film characters. Are these unprintable too? I have a couple of these from the 50's and 60's. It would also be wonderful for them to reprint the adaptations and spin off stories as well. I'd think there'd be an even higher demand for the film characters than the shorts since these films are reissued every few years. The films these Christmas strips center on are starting their round to being 20 years old. I'd think the day when these licenses fetched the highest premiums are long gone.
It's nowhere near that simple, Uncle Ed. I'll try to answer all of your main points at once, but because of the situation and what it entails I can't help but be convoluted in my explanation, so sit back and bear with me:

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From what I have figured - Disney's licensing department controls who prints what and where. From what we can infer - in the early 80's Disney gave Gladstone I carte blanche over newspaper strips (Gottfredson's Mickey along with the occasion Dick Moores/Paul Murry Brer Rabbit), the modern day characters (Wuzzles through Ducktales), and naturally - the meat of the line, classic comic book reprint material. Everything was all well and good until the late 80's, early 90's when Disney absorbed the line into itself and began outsourcing the licenses somewhat. I believe the first product of this experiment was the beautifully drawn Daan Jippes/Dan Spiegle adaptation of Who Framed Roger Rabbit - which was actually jointly printed by Marvel Comics under the Disney comics imprint.

From that point forward, the licenses began to "fracture".

After the 90's implosion (and Disney ultimately realizing that they should have left well enough alone), there was no comics outlet to be found for the modern characters OR movie characters which led to terrible late 90's/2000 era where Disney comics licensing was a complete and total mess in the US and ultimately gave way to the destruction of all comics properties. This is the breakdown:

Gladstone II retained all licensing rights to classic characters. This included reprints of CLASSIC movie characters and newspaper reprints. If you will notice, no new Gottfredson stories saw print during this era, only stuff that had already seen print in many of Gladstones albums or the Mickey Mouse in Color book. I'm going to assume that this was to save printing/formatting costs etc. HOWEVER what we did get a large number of newspaper printings from the Treasury of Classic Tales newspaper series. Ones that come to mind are "The Sword in the Stone", "The Fox and The Hound", and Gottfredson/Reilly's "Lambert the Sheepish Lion." The direct cutoff point was anything beyond and including "The Little Mermaid."

While Gladstone II had a lock on the classic character license, UNFORTUNATELY Disney made the incredibly stupid decision of splitting the modern day characters between itself (Disney Adventures was still in print and hadn't quite reached its massive levels of suck yet) and Marvel.

This meant that while Gladstone II could only use classic movie characters, Marvel was only allowed to print new stories with the modern day movie characters as well as stories with the "modern classics" - specifically Ducktales through Bonkers. While there were a few decent gems (Beauty and the Beast, The Little Mermaid, a handful of Aladdin stories) Marvel - who didn't understand or care to understand how the characters worked, interacted, and talked - dumbed all of the modern characters down to EPIC proportions and ruined the license inconceivably worse than Disney ever could in its wildest nightmares.

To make matters worse, when Marvel FINALLY let the license lapse Disney made the equally stupid decision of giving the modern characters to Acclaim who produced a series of equally unreadable comics ranging from the Little Mermaid to Hercules. When this line expired the modern movie character license pretty much floundered.

On that same token, we all know that Disney had done irrepairable damage to the classic line that Gladstone II could not sustain, and Disney comics and all licenses folded a second time (the first being the initial Gold Key/Whitman collapse).

Now you probably think its all 1 license or 2 licenses tops that Gemstone has to deal with, (many people think that) but this is not the case. When Gemstone came into play, considerable time had passed, the market became just a LITTLE bit more stable and they opted to restart the line and give it a second chance immediately from where they left off. However, there were several considerable licensing problems -

GOING IN ORDER:

A) In the beginning, Gemstone had the license to print new and old stories with the classic characters BUT they DID NOT have the license to print any newspaper material. This is why the first year or two, the books - specifically Comics and Stories and Mickey Mouse had NO Gottfredson material or Treasury of Classic Tales or ANY newspaper stories in it whatsoever and relied 70% Egmont, 30% reprint. Many people didn't realize this and constantly wrote in requesting and complaining - specifically about Gottfredson which I can imagine frustrated Gemstone to no end.

However, Egmont stories at this point had gotten a lot better than what they used to be and this material was used in its stead.

B) As time progressed, Gemstone also managed to buy back the separate license for the newspaper reprints. This meant we could finally get Gottfredson back in the books, as well as the Brer Rabbit and Scamp newspaper strips that Gladstone I originally had access to.

C) By this point, Disney Adventures was cancelled. Marvel was a total failure with the characters. Acclaim no longer exists. This meant that the license to print the modern classic characters in the United States - Ducktales through Bonkers, minus Talespin (see below) - reverted back into the core cast of classic characters. Who purchased that license? Gemstone. When this happened Gemstone began to test the waters to see if the characters would sell with the one series they knew they could get people to pick up: Ducktales. They conveniently did this to coincide with the release of the DVD boxsets and from what we can see it has been a success (Who'd have ever thought Gemstone of all people would release a trade of Scrooge's Quest? This proves they do listen to many people who write - not just the usual faces we may see in the lettercols).

D) Now here is where the licensing gets tricky, so pay attention closely:

Why haven't we seen The Rescue Rangers, Darkwing Duck, (ignoring Talespin), Goof Troop, and Bonkers mingling alongside The Lil' Bad Wolf, Brer Rabbit, or Scamp when we know there are many good stories out there that could be reprinted or are still sitting in the archives or paper stacks waiting to see the light of day? Well one big answer is that there just isn't enough room in the books right now. The cancellation of Donald and Mickey really screwed that up. Consider it bad timing. Believe it or not, for every person that requests a classic Barks or Gottfredson reprint theres also people out there that request a Rescue Rangers or Darkwing story as well.

D1) The Rescue Rangers fall under Chip and Dale. Classic CND has always been associated with Comics and Stories. They are classic characters and can be used. Gemstone has not done this YET but could in the future barring certain circumstances. I wouldnt be surprised to see the RR's creep in one day in the distant future alongside classic Chip and Dale.

D2) Ducktales has Launchpad. Darkwing Duck by default is also associated with Launchpad. Launchpad is now a regular character in the books again via the odd reprint or Egmont experiment here and there. Given the success of the Ducktales trade and integrating random Egmont shorts with Launchpad into the new books it can also be inferred that Darkwing and his cast of characters ALSO fall under Gemstone's license. Darkwing is just as popular if not more so than Ducktales. I think this also falls under the header of not so much as if, but when and how certain circumstances could change.

D3) Let's be honest. Nobody really cares about Goof Troop - BUT we have seen Max appear in Gemstone books at least once (remember the "Twice Upon a Christmas" special?). This confirms that Gemstone has the also has the rights to this subset of characters and has done so HOWEVER I think the general consensus is that MANY people prefer classic Goofy and especially classic Pete and while a lot of people DO like Max, his incepetion is a bit more problematic. PJ's even moreso. Since Gemstone is not commisioning "new" stories and to integrate Max basically means ignoring everything about Goof Troop and introducing a clusterfreak of continuity issues into the books. It's one of those things thats best left alone unless random reprints or situations that call for it come into play - which I wouldnt mind happening, but theres really only a tiny handful of GT stories that we haven't seen or are actually good - which is a shame because Max himself was the best character from that series next to Goofy and Pete.

I would like to see the Italian adaptation of "A Goofy Movie" though. Now THAT Gemstone could do and would probably please a lot of people with.

D4) Bonkers....well, hell, it's Bonkers. Even DA kind of ignored him outside of 1 really good Stephen DeStefano gag story. Not a bad character, but certainly came around at a bad time and suffers worse than anyone from lack of material. :P

E) First off, Gargoyles would really not fit AT ALL in the type of material that Gemstone is printing now, and besides that Greg Weisman and Image Comics bought a seperate license to that and are currently using it to its advantage where it would be much better handled in its creators hands IMO - so that is also out and I'm positive Gemstone would not even contest that.

F) And finally, comes the most unfortunate loss out of the modern classics that I've bounced around discussing: Talespin.

Now consider EVERYTHING that I have just said. Out of what we know and everything that I just told you, what license is missing from Gemstone's repetiore in the current books that they once had an abundance of?

Movie characters.

Remember - Brer Rabbit (Song of the South), The Big & Little Bad Wolf (from thier own respective shorts), and Scamp have been associated with C&S since the days of Dell. They fall under Gladstones license. To further reiterate this fact - if Gemstone wanted to print an overseas adaptation of Lady and the Tramp 2 - they probably could get away with it simply because that movie focused on Scamp even though it came out in the 2000's (see The Three Musketeers/Twice Upon a Christmas).

So you could then argue: "Well what about Winnie the Pooh? Gladstone used to print the Pooh newspaper strips as filler (gawd I miss those) and Gold Key even did a book with him! Why isn't he classic too? Why aren't we seeing him"

Because thanks to Pooh's current success, his license is now part of the a larger movie characters license that Gemstone would have to purchase seperately much like they did for newspaper material. My guess is that there is a nonsensical "pick and choose" cutoff point to where the license ends and begins. We could probably get away with MAYBE The Rescuers (Chip and Dale?) or Basil of Baker Street/The Great Mouse Detective (Cavazzano short fillers) or The Seven Dwarfs (Romano Scarpa). But we could never get Alice in Wonderland or Peter Pan or Pooh Bear - and unfortunately, this also means we can't get anything that has to do with "The Jungle Book".

Who is the main character in the Jungle Book besides Mowgli? Baloo.

And who is the main character of Tale Spin which is VERY LOOSELY based off of characters FROM The Jungle Book: Baloo.

Nobody likes it, but thats why we could never see Talespin - or the stories you suggested above - right now, because of that very specific reason. Yes, it is incredibly asinine, but that is the way that Disney's current licensing is set up - in one huge chunk. Even though Gemstone has the rights to use newspaper originated material, they DO NOT have the license to use characters from the movies. Thus why the christmas strips you suggested ALSO cannot be used. It's an incredibly confusing and frustrating Catch-22 that could only be rectified by Gemstone ultimately purchasing the license and holding every comic aspect of Disney that it once USED TO HOLD to print.

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The only way this could happen is if enough people speak up about it for Gemstone to go its people and say "Look, we need that third book. This is hurting/losing us sales etc etc etc". That's the #1 reason as to why we finally got Gottfredson and the other newspaper stories back in the first place. Furthermore IF this happens, the way we can even see said material is if we have a third book to make room for putting the often requested stuff in there - thus moving the Donald and Mickey overflow material OUT of Comics and Stories once and for all, and making it a well selling variety book once again.

So the short answer to your question:

Write letters, bitch, moan, and complain to Gemstone so they can do the same thing and prove that this material will sell so they CAN ultimately get us what we fans want like what happened with Gottfredson. I can't really explain it any better than that.

Quote:(Speaking of Disney Adventures, who was behind the Disney Comics in those?)
From what I understand Heidi MacDonald was the editor-in-chief of the comics portion of DA from its beginning all the way up through just a LITTLE BIT past "The Legend of the Chaos God" five part crossover. I think that what killed DA is that a lot of people read that book for the comics. When the higher ups seemed to favor more magazine content over said comics forcing page count and story size down tremendously, that was the single gigantic nail in the magazine's coffin.

Quote:I'll never understand how Marvel took the most popular animated films of that time and botched it.
It's Marvel, man.

Have you seen what they do to their own characters? The X-Men are an unrecognizable mess and Spider Man fans are about ready to lynch the Marvel offices thanks to the latest couple of issues that tossed 20 years of continuity out the window to please its editor in chief's single minded goal. Giving the modern classic and movie characters to Marvel was the worst thing that Disney could have ever done, and they didn't care enough to put a stop to it and give them to the people that DID care.

I will NEVER disagree with you on that, sir.

Quote:It would probably never happen though...
I grew up in the 80's/90's period too. I sorely miss those characters and see great potential in them alongside the classic ones.

If Gemstone can get out of the pickle its in now, get that much needed support for a third book, eventually purchase the third license and strike a balance between all its characters with GOOD well picked stories that make use of every bit of room they have IT CAN HAPPEN and we COULD have a second "late era Gladstone I/late era Disney Comics/early Dell" renaissance period again.

It's just a matter time, some well placed luck, and a lot of elbow grease. It's not impossible, but for it to happen RIGHT NOW is improbable unless certain things change.

Quote:Perhaps the folks who made the Disney Adventures Disney comics?
They are long gone and Gemstone is all we got. And believe me - THEY DO CARE AND THEY DO LISTEN. Even if it may not seem like it immediately.

Quote:Why couldn't Gemstone put together a special proposal for a collected of these and any other Christmas countdown strips into one book or several volumes?
Answered above.

Nice to see another fan here. Stick around and tell people about the place if you know of others. Hope I was of some help. :)
Uncle_Ed
WB, that was wonderful, thorough, and in depth. I know much more about the animation end of it than the comics but you appear to know as much as I do about animation in the comics area.
The thing I disliked most about the Marvel books was in Beauty and the Beast it establishes that the film's happy ending was only a dream the Beast had. That was depressing. I only ever bought the movie titles unless the DA ones had a story I was interested in. I remember liking Mermaid the least of the 3 but that was only because it was more along the line of the TV series than the film. I need to read these over again.
I don't know a whole lot about Marvel's comics. It confuses me as a laymen. I mostly read indepedent comics and have been starting on my own comic work even though I'm trained in animation. I don't really know many Disney fans like me or I would pass along this site. I plan to stick around and learn about the comics here. It's a Disney area I'm very interested in.
So from what you say in theory if Gemstone bought the lisence to the 90's films they could reprint the comics that were in DA, Acclaim, Marvel, and the old Gemstone? Some of those in all three banners were good. I thought the Acclaim Hercules Comic about Meg and that monster wasn't bad. I've wondered if these lisenced out books are allowable to Disney or those who have the license to do reprints because I've noticed that when Marvel or others printed comic book adaptations for Snow White and Dalmations it was the original vintage adaptations reprinted. I wonder if these artwork and stories done at DA, Marvel, and Acclaim would be the same thing or not? How does it work with the foreign stories being printed in the US and speaking of that do the other countries have the same rights issues that the US has with these all being seperate licenses?
I knew Heidi was the editor but I wondered if the artists from Gladstone drew the comics for DA since Gladstone had folded.
I like the idea of Disney Comics and Stories covering the film characters. I'd subscribe to that in a heartbeat! I remember seeing clippings of the 80's strips selling on Ebay. I'd love to see it all in print as books.
Although I have no doubt that you're correct in the case with the Jungle Book, it seems insane when Disney created this property and nobody asked them to. How did they expect to allow licensors to use it? Sheesh!
Now has the son Goofy had in the animated shorts ever appeared in comics? I've wondered how that can be reconciled with Max now in use. I also don't understand the hatred of Goof Troop. I think they made far worse cartoon series than that.
There were some good Disney Afternoon stories in comics but I had no idea there was as high a demand as you've mentioned. I also never knew there were Wuzzles comics. Was there ever a Gummi Bears one? That's a lisence I would think could be expanded to Gargoyles proportions.I'm also glad that Weismann has Gargoyles but it's impossible for me to find a copy in person. I keep meaning to order those online...I haven't read the Alice in Wonderland or Haunted Mansion series they're doing yet either.
Riddle me this, where do the live action film adaptations lie? Are each of those their own thing or are they a package deal? There can't be that much of a demand for comics of Treasure Island or Darby O'Gill to have them each their own thing but as a packaged series there could be potential. Has anyone ever though of that?
Disney should just let Gemstone print everything and be done with it. I'm breaking into the comic industry and have met some of the people from Gemstone at shows. They seem like very nice people who care. I've also met Don Rosa and Pat Block a few times. I don't know much about either man's work (I don't know much about the Disney comics in general because it's such a vast, vast subject) but Block seemed more warm that Rosa in my opinion.
I forget who reprinted the Gremlins comics. Was that Dark Horse? I know they did the book reprint. I didn't get the comics yet.
I wonder if the licensing issues you've stated are why the Christmas comics stopped. If you look at that link posted above they ran from 60 through 87 and that was about the time Gladstone started to implode. Then they started again in 92 and ran till 97. That was about the time of the Acclaim and Marvel fiasco. It's shame too as a Tarzan's First Christmas story would have been ideal.
By the way you wouldn't happen to know where I can find some of those Acclaim books? I have a few of them but I know I'm missing some. They're impossible to find online because no one knows what they're listing. I'll have to check and see what I'm missing. I used to know.
So if I want to start on Disney comics where do I begin? All I have to date besides the ones we've discussed are the 2 Don Rosa Uncle Scrooge Life & Times and the collected Treasures one. I've always wanted to read all the Barks work but have no idea where to begin.
Thanks!
- Ed
Anemo
Yes, I want to see TaleSpin, Darkwing Duck, Chip & Dale Rescue Rangers, etc make a comeback. I miss them.
WB
Quote from user: Uncle_EdThe thing I disliked most about the Marvel books was in Beauty and the Beast it establishes that the film's happy ending was only a dream the Beast had. That was depressing.
Really? I was always under the impression that Marvel's Beauty and the Beast comic - much like the DTV's - took place during the portion of the film where Belle and Beast are still living together in the castle and the movie's ending had not happened yet. Then again, I don't think I have all the comics from that run. Where did you get the idea that it negates the happy ending. I don't think Disney would allow them to do that...

Then again - everything about Marvel was stuff I didn't think Disney would allow them to do...

Quote:I remember liking Mermaid the least of the 3 but that was only because it was more along the line of the TV series than the film.
IMO Peter David wrote the definitive Little Mermaid during his short tenure at Disney Comics. Trina Robbins did an OK job, but because it was based off the TV show and the writing was toned down a notch, I certainly do share your opinion. The Little Mermaid stories themselves weren't as bad as the Disney Afternoon stories they produced. Those BY FAR were the worst and had it kept going probably would have destroyed the characters altogether.

I remember one story in particular where the Rescue Rangers were practically human sized. Shameful lazy stuff.

Quote:I don't know a whole lot about Marvel's comics. It confuses me as a laymen. I mostly read indepedent comics and have been starting on my own comic work even though I'm trained in animation.
When Disney folded I kind of got itchy for more comics and began to read some mainstream stuff - specifically DC's "Impulse" which was one of the funniest and nicely written books on the market. For a superhero book it was just something YOU DIDN'T SEE done with Superheroes. Lately the trend has been to sap all the fun out of their characters and go for angst and wild plotlines that border on silly or killing characters simply for shock value. That's not really my bag, so I've gone back to more independent comics and doing my own work as well.

Quote:So from what you say in theory if Gemstone bought the lisence to the 90's films they could reprint the comics that were in DA, Acclaim, Marvel, and the old Gemstone?
Yes on all accounts. But I can tell you right now they would be VEEEEEEEEERY selective about what they'd print and we'd probably get none of the acclaim stuff simply due to its rarity or due to the fact that a lot of it was really bad. Gemstone is printing material from the Gladstone I and Disney libraries so we know they have access to that. They also probably have access to some Disney Adventures material as well (I wish they'd reprint the two Mickey stories that saw print in that). They also probably have access to overseas material that never saw print in the states - and there is a lot of it.

But to be honest, I highly doubt that if they had the chance they'd bother with the Marvel and Acclaim stuff due to its horrible reputation (kind of like how Gemstone/Gladstone tends to avoid classic material in the late Gold Key/Whitman era unless the story itself is really good). Gemstone - AS OF LATE - tends to be (sometimes) a bit more careful in its story selection, but they will ALWAYS cover the classic characters first as they have since day 1.

Quote:I've noticed that when Marvel or others printed comic book adaptations for Snow White and Dalmations it was the original vintage adaptations reprinted. I wonder if these artwork and stories done at DA, Marvel, and Acclaim would be the same thing or not?
I noticed that too, and it was the only thing about Marvel that genuinely surprised me. There's no telling what, if anything, was cut though from those two reprinted stories. It all fell under the license they had anyway. I'm pretty sure they got away with printing Dalmatians simply because of the (at that time) impending cartoon series and the 102 Dalmatians live action movie.

Quote:How does it work with the foreign stories being printed in the US and speaking of that do the other countries have the same rights issues that the US has with these all being seperate licenses?
Gemstone has to order - and probably pay for - foreign stories from other publishers. Egmont is their biggest supplier, probably because they have the largest archive and are the most successful Disney publisher in the world currently, followed by Disney Italia. Once that's done, they do thier own color corrections and set stuff up for print.

Most of the material from the pocketbooks (the 3 panel stories) all came from Egmont's "Jumbobog" series which was a weekly pocket book containing larger stories with certain exceptions (Cavazzano's "Brother From Another Planet" in US #370 was specifically ordered for the main book). However, the content of much of the material was hit or miss and rather than getting the really good European and Italian stuff, it was an eclectic mix of ok VS good VS terribly mediocre. =\

Egmont, Gemstone, and Disney Italia cater to different crowds so mileage on what makes a good story varies among a lot of different people.

Quote:I knew Heidi was the editor but I wondered if the artists from Gladstone drew the comics for DA since Gladstone had folded.
No one draws comics for Gemstone as Gemstone (incredibly sadly :() does not have the finances to commision new stories or hold freelancers outside of rare occasions. Many of the Disney comics creators have moved on, for example -

Peter David went back to mainstream comics.
Rick Hoover (prolific Disney Comics cover artist) passed away a long time ago
Stephen DeStefano is still around but doesn't do work for Egmont, and instead freelances for other companies.

Now the Spanish artists are a different story as many Spanish artists are working for Egmont.

The Jaime Diaz studio guys are still around but are not commissioned to do nearly as much Disney work as they once did. This is why we haven't seen Cosme Quartieri (Ducktales main artist) or the Saavedra's around in any capacity. Egmont can commision them, but probably chooses not to. My reasoning for this is that I believe at one point Gemstone DID print a story that was drawn by Anibal Uzal though. That may only be because Anibal Uzal may have gone freelance.

The only Spanish DA artist that I've seen successfully make the transition from DA to Egmont was - ironically - Jose Massaroli who's had 3 or 4 duck stories printed in Gemstone. Massaroli did a handful of stories for DA, one of them most notably being a "Bonkers" 2 parter.

Egmont seems to have a pool of freelancers that are based primarily out of Spain with the exception of Cavazzano, a few other artists whom I can't remember, and previously Romano Scarpa before his passing. I think conflicts with the Italian publisher had a lot to do with that.

Most Americans like William Van Horn, Rosa, Dave Rawson, Stefan Petrucha, The Blocks, or The McGreals also work for Egmont mostly because Gemstone themselves can't hire them and they can get better deals there.

Most of the DA artists otherwise, have all but vanished or gone different ways.

Quote:Although I have no doubt that you're correct in the case with the Jungle Book, it seems insane when Disney created this property and nobody asked them to. How did they expect to allow licensors to use it? Sheesh!
Doesn't it? It makes no sense whatsoever, but that's just the way it is.

Honestly - the setup Gemstone has right now is VERY VERY VERY SLOWLY becoming similar to what early Gladstone I once was not in terms of books and content, but story selection. If Gemstone can stay afloat, choose good stories, and fix those darn book issues I really believe we could see even better stuff come down the pike. But a lot of things need to change and take root before this can feasably happen.

Quote:Now has the son Goofy had in the animated shorts ever appeared in comics? I've wondered how that can be reconciled with Max now in use. I also don't understand the hatred of Goof Troop. I think they made far worse cartoon series than that.
Yes, Goofy Junior HAS appeared in classic continuity in a couple of Strobl stories done for Gold Key in the late 60's. Personally, I prefer Max and REALLY wish he could be used more often but it would probably have to be done under the Goof Troop imprint as the classic imprint wouldnt make much sense unless you just make it one of those things where you say "To hell with continuity" and toss it out the window.

Also, because Egmont is the #1 source for new stories right now and they have bizarre rules about "dead characters" (Ludwig Von Drake, Emil Eagle being prime examples) no matter how popular they are with some people we'd probably never see him outside of Gemstone selected reprints anyway, which is a shame because Max is a darn good character and adds a hell of a lot to Goofy as a foil. So much so, that he's practically become a classic character in his own right.

A lot of Goof Troop hate though, probably has to do with the incredible dumbing down of Pete (no longer a villian), some rather odd design choices, and more of a focus on sitcom-type plots than the action and intricacy of many DA series before it.

Quote:There were some good Disney Afternoon stories in comics but I had no idea there was as high a demand as you've mentioned.
Well its not like people are beating down the door for it. In comparison - there's huge demand for Gottfredson and many Scarpa/Cavazzano Italian classic duck and mouse stories - which we are getting now after many many years. BUT a lot of people like you and me that came from the 80's and 90's era still write to request the modern day characters that they grew up with. If they didn't I doubt we'd ever have gotten Scrooge's Quest as a trade to begin with.

Quote:I also never knew there were Wuzzles comics.
They were utterly TERRIBLE studio produced comics.

A handful were printed in the first few issues of Comics and Stories when Gladstone I first started out.

The general consensus is that individual writers and artists on the modern day stories is good. But any and all stories produced in-house at Disney Studio were BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD. This was especially true when Ducktales got its own book and William Van Horn and the french stuff made the studio stuff look like doo-doo. It wasn't until Disney took over that those characters REALLY began to shine and come into thier own because they had individuals who really cared about and wrote for the characters and understood what made the various cartoon series work.

Quote:Was there ever a Gummi Bears one?
Only one Gummi Bears story has ever been created that I know of - a studio story printed in an annual - and that in and of itself is a crying shame. Gummi Bears deserves better than that. Even though Gargoyles was based on a Gummi-Bears ish precedent I dont think Image getting it would ever happen given Gemstone has Ducktales.

Quote:I'm also glad that Weismann has Gargoyles but it's impossible for me to find a copy in person. I keep meaning to order those online...I haven't read the Alice in Wonderland or Haunted Mansion series they're doing yet either.
Eh, Weisman's probably the only one really worth looking at IMO. I've heard good things about the Gargoyles book although I haven't seen it myself either. And it's under Dark Horse, not Image. My bad.

Quote:Riddle me this, where do the live action film adaptations lie? Are each of those their own thing or are they a package deal? There can't be that much of a demand for comics of Treasure Island or Darby O'Gill to have them each their own thing but as a packaged series there could be potential. Has anyone ever though of that?
THAT I do not know. That too may be a separate license in and of itself given Gladstone I, II, Marvel, Acclaim, nor Gemstone NEVER produced any comics based on the live action movies. It's a good question.

The only company that did - was Disney - and even THAT was under their separate Hollywood Comics imprint.

Quote:Disney should just let Gemstone print everything and be done with it.
They should but they won't because they're greedy and want the money.

Quote:I'm breaking into the comic industry and have met some of the people from Gemstone at shows. They seem like very nice people who care. I've also met Don Rosa and Pat Block a few times. I don't know much about either man's work (I don't know much about the Disney comics in general because it's such a vast, vast subject) but Block seemed more warm that Rosa in my opinion.
Can't speak on that as I've never met either. Others could probably tell you more about them in person though.

Quote:I forget who reprinted the Gremlins comics. Was that Dark Horse? I know they did the book reprint. I didn't get the comics yet.
Dark Horse. I was going to mention Gremlins as Gladstone I reprinted a handful of the Walt Kelly C&S fillers back in the day, but that one is a special case, much like Gargoyles, that has more to do with its creator than anything else.

Quote:I wonder if the licensing issues you've stated are why the Christmas comics stopped. If you look at that link posted above they ran from 60 through 87 and that was about the time Gladstone started to implode.
I wouldn't doubt it one bit. Disney ruined a LOT of stuff doing what they did and getting a bit too greedy for their own good.

Quote:Then they started again in 92 and ran till 97. That was about the time of the Acclaim and Marvel fiasco. It's shame too as a Tarzan's First Christmas story would have been ideal.
A lot of the decisions Disney made, I nor a lot of people, still understand. It was a ll a big mess.

Also, no idea where to help you find the Acclaim books. I'd probably assume that they're some of the rarest Disney comics out there now.

Quote:So if I want to start on Disney comics where do I begin? All I have to date besides the ones we've discussed are the 2 Don Rosa Uncle Scrooge Life & Times and the collected Treasures one. I've always wanted to read all the Barks work but have no idea where to begin.
Pick up the remaining trades first. There are two Carl Barks based Ducktales trades that you should be able to find. ALSO - hunt down "World of the Dragonlords" by Giorgio Cavazzano and Byron Erickson. You can find those on Amazon. Do a search on Amazon for Floyd Gottfredson and see about finding some old albums or comics that way as well and look for ANY issues of Comics and Stories with Gottfredson reprints so you can get a good idea as to what the best Mickey Mouse material out there is like. I'd give you more stuff to look out for, but this entry is long enough as is. :)
Uncle_Ed
It took me a while to get time to respond but your post was a well worth while while read!

"Really? I was always under the impression that Marvel's Beauty and the Beast comic - much like the DTV's - took place during the portion of the film where Belle and Beast are still living together in the castle and the movie's ending had not happened yet. Then again, I don't think I have all the comics from that run. Where did you get the idea that it negates the happy ending. I don't think Disney would allow them to do that..."

In the first panel of the first issue the Beast is dreaming on the balcony he and Belle are together and the spell is broken and they're saying lines from the film and he wakes up. So it seems like it's during the film but it's really after. I have no idea how the Beast would have known about Gaston with their logic though. But due to the film's limited time frame it has always been hard for Disney to develop any extra stories to work within the story's time line. But by Hercules I guess they pretty much gave up on trying for that and anything goes today. But at the time of the Marvels this was considered a revolutionary idea but it always bugged me because it makes it such a downer.

"Then again - everything about Marvel was stuff I didn't think Disney would allow them to do..."

Such as what exactly? I've never heard anyone say anything negative about the Disney books content and I haven't read them in years so I wondered what that could be. I know the art was sometimes off but during the 90's the artwork in Disney comics was slipping here and there no matter where they were made. There are some exceptions but as a whole there were plenty of panels sloppily drawn over the years that just wouldn't have been in the old days.

"IMO Peter David wrote the definitive Little Mermaid during his short tenure at Disney Comics. Trina Robbins did an OK job, but because it was based off the TV show and the writing was toned down a notch, I certainly do share your opinion. The Little Mermaid stories themselves weren't as bad as the Disney Afternoon stories they produced. Those BY FAR were the worst and had it kept going probably would have destroyed the characters altogether."

Did he do that one comic about the eel people and how Ursula got her home? That was a cool comic and a prime example of what Little Mermaid comics could and should be. Compare that to the story Acclaim made about Eric and Ariel crossing paths before the movie with the Princess of Glowerhaven. That was kind of lame but I never cared for the gag in the Disney comic from the 90's where the Princess was really tall as why they never worked out either.

What I least liked about the series version of Little Mermaid was how it mixed in modern elements like telephones and modern cities and things like that. It destroyed the long ago and far away element. Even though the film has influences of modern themes and music it never destroyed the long ago and far away feel of the story. The series version of that property more often than not does that in every instance.

Now you have my curiosity perked on how many stories are out there from other countries based on the 90's Disney films.

"There's no telling what, if anything, was cut though from those two reprinted stories."

I'll have to compare. I know I bought a lot of these comics as a lot from a comic book store and was surprised that Snow White was the same version Marvel did but I never compared it page by page. I think I have an earlier version of Dalmatians too.

Why is Gemstone so selective on what they print? Why can't they just start with the first story on any given character or subject and do them all in chronological order until there is a complete run of each series in print? That's what fans always clamour for. Not best of collections.

"Also, because Egmont is the #1 source for new stories right now and they have bizarre rules about "dead characters" (Ludwig Von Drake, Emil Eagle being prime examples)"

What are their rules? They can't be used? I know Don Rosa wasn't allowed to include von Drake in the family tree and that was just silly. He's obviously a cannon character and just because he was started in animation doesn't mean he should be excluded. He was in plenty of comics too. I think I even read Barks used him once.

Was Goofy's wife ever shown in the Gold Key comics or was she left off panel as she was always off screen in the cartoons?

"A lot of Goof Troop hate though, probably has to do with the incredible dumbing down of Pete (no longer a villian), some rather odd design choices, and more of a focus on sitcom-type plots than the action and intricacy of many DA series before it."

I didn't mind that so much as it was just a reinterpretation of the classic character just as Tale Spin is loosely based on Jungle Book characters. What odd design choices are you talking about? It's been years since I've seen a Goof Troop episode but I remember when it first aired I took it and Bonkers to just be in the same vein as the DA shows that came before them. I think when they dropped the block in my area did I start to not think of the new shows as being part of that series so much.

"Also, no idea where to help you find the Acclaim books. I'd probably assume that they're some of the rarest Disney comics out there now."

Now with Acclaim, the Acclaim books I have are:

Enchanted Stories: River of Youth
Enchanted Stories: The Book Crook
Enchanted Stories: A Torch for Meg
Action Club: My Fill of Phil
Action Club: Monkey Business
Action Club: The Mighty Ducks
The Little Mermaid: Underwater Engagements
Hercules Official Comic Book Adaptation

What am I missing?

According to the ads in the books there is a Snow Wite book but were they ever printed? I got all but the Hercules adaptation at a Toys R US in 1999 for like .50 each. If I'd known what they were at the time I would have bought them all. Perhaps you know?

"Egmont, Gemstone, and Disney Italia cater to different crowds so mileage on what makes a good story varies among a lot of different people."

I'd still love to see them all in print in the US.

"No one draws comics for Gemstone as Gemstone (incredibly sadly sad) does not have the finances to commision new stories or hold freelancers outside of rare occasions. Many of the Disney comics creators have moved on,"

I thought that guys like Don Rosa and Pat Block still drew them for Gemstone. If Gemstone doesn't do new comics too then where is their work first from? I was under the impression that the ducks and Gladstone titles were dead when Gladstone folded in the early 90's and when Gemstone started up they continued them. My bad.

"Honestly - the setup Gemstone has right now is VERY VERY VERY SLOWLY becoming similar to what early Gladstone I once was not in terms of books and content, but story selection. If Gemstone can stay afloat, choose good stories, and fix those darn book issues I really believe we could see even better stuff come down the pike. But a lot of things need to change and take root before this can feasably happen"

Hey, is Gemstone in some sort of financial trouble? You make it sound like they're having problems staying in business.

I'll stay clear of that Wuzzles comic.

"Only one Gummi Bears story has ever been created that I know of - a studio story printed in an annual - and that in and of itself is a crying shame. Gummi Bears deserves better than that. Even though Gargoyles was based on a Gummi-Bears ish precedent I dont think Image getting it would ever happen given Gemstone has Ducktales.Eh, Weisman's probably the only one really worth looking at IMO. I've heard good things about the Gargoyles book although I haven't seen it myself either. And it's under Dark Horse, not Image. My bad."

I wouldn't mind doing a Gummi Bears book myself but you really need to give it a scope and direction like Gargoyles have. I don't know if you know Maggie Thompson but she told me years ago that I should be hired to write Muppet comics for Gemstone. Some other people I know said I could bring a Carl Barks type flare to those characters and quite frankly that's what they really need to jump start them again. I just do my own things right now but if ever considered I'd jump on any beloved Disney property like that if I thought I could do better than what has been happening with it.

Gemstone should do a series of the live action film adaptations in collected form or on their own. I'm sure a lot of Disney collectors would jump on them and honestly, who is ever going to pay a premium price to reprint a comic book of a film 50+ years old? Disney should just bundle them up as a lot and be done with it. They need people like us in their film and print archives who actually care about the content that's there rather than the bunch of junior executives who don't know about nor care about anything that happened prior to the day they were born. The people doing things in both film and print for the company in the last decade or so are inept at best. Simply look at the decline in quality DVD releases for more proof.

Who owns the rights to the Rocketeer comics? Disney or the character's creator?

I need to get the Gremlins comics. I have the book. It was great to see something like that done and I'd personally wish to see more of this type of material reprinted for modern audiences to enjoy.

"Pick up the remaining trades first. There are two Carl Barks based Ducktales trades that you should be able to find. ALSO - hunt down "World of the Dragonlords" by Giorgio Cavazzano and Byron Erickson. You can find those on Amazon."

With the trades I'm never sure which trades are worth getting. I've seen a ton of Barks stuff there that are trades but I think most are from Gladstone. I've seen those Duck Tales books there before. I'll get those, Scrooge's Quest, and the new Treasures in one fell swoop.

"Do a search on Amazon for Floyd Gottfredson and see about finding some old albums or comics that way as well and look for ANY issues of Comics and Stories with Gottfredson reprints so you can get a good idea as to what the best Mickey Mouse material out there is like."

With Gottfredson, are you talking about old Gladstone trades or Gemstone ones?

Many thanks!

- Edaid it made her ass look huge on her.
Cacou
To Uncle_ed:
I added the stories to Inducks, see here and here.
Could you upload a scan of the first page of the strips, if you have them, to Inducks? This is the "add scan" link (you need an account on COA if you haven't already one - but it only requires a name/password).
Thanks!

PS: now I see that the scan for the second story could not be uploaded due to a bug in our system... alternatively, you could upload them to the forum, here, and I'll upload them to Inducks.
Uncle_Ed
Can I get credit for the find too by real name? I just have Hunchback and Lion King left to scan examples of. I'm going to be writing an article for these on my website, www.edmccray.com in the near future as well. Do you also awant my alternate Pocahontas example?
Cacou
Uncle Ed:
I have credited you as source in a comment that is not shown on the web. If you'd like a credit, I can make that comment visible.
An English sample would be useful for Pocahontas as well (I guess this is taken from American newspapers?).
Uncle_Ed
I think your's is in English but your first row is laid out with more art than my first row. I can't figure out how or why they'd release it in 2 formats. Your panels beyond that are just best of images of the firest week or so of the strip and not in order. In my scannings you'll get the first 4 days of each strip as 1 page format.
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