Hello everyone
I am new to this forum,but not to disney or cartoons or comics! i was wondering if anyone knows who drew the cover for "Four Color #9 Donald Duck finds Pirates Gold" And the back -c treasure map as well?
I have heard it was "Hank Porter" who was involved in Pinnocchio i believe? Thank You
Quackmire
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Quackmire
Four color 9
Message 1 -
2007-05-06 at 15:58:06
Cacou
Four color 9
Message 2 -
2007-05-06 at 21:11:52
This could be Hank Porter, but the credit is uncertain.
Here is a copy in particularly good condition (I wonder how much it is worth!)
[Click to get higher resolution].

Here is a copy in particularly good condition (I wonder how much it is worth!)
[Click to get higher resolution].
Cacou
Four color 9
Message 3 -
2007-05-06 at 21:17:30
I'd like to point out also that scans of the original comic have recently surfaced (made from a kind of "microfiches").

Now - the original version IS DIFFERENT from most other reprints, look eg at page 37

Shadows have been added in recent prints, and one of Pete' sidekicks has lost his black trousers, eg DD 250:

Clearly - someone retouched the original version. Looking in Inducks
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=W+OS++++9-02
As you can see, most reprints were published after 1972, when it was published in Italy in the big "Cartonatoni Disney" books. My guess is that the changes occured at this point. I wonder which version is in the Carl Barks Library.
Only very few older reprints are known:
Argentinian El Pato Donald (1946)
Italian Topolino and Albi d'Oro reprint (1947 and 1954)
Brazilian Seleções Coloridas Walt Disney (1947)
Now - the original version IS DIFFERENT from most other reprints, look eg at page 37
Shadows have been added in recent prints, and one of Pete' sidekicks has lost his black trousers, eg DD 250:
Clearly - someone retouched the original version. Looking in Inducks
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=W+OS++++9-02
As you can see, most reprints were published after 1972, when it was published in Italy in the big "Cartonatoni Disney" books. My guess is that the changes occured at this point. I wonder which version is in the Carl Barks Library.
Only very few older reprints are known:
Argentinian El Pato Donald (1946)
Italian Topolino and Albi d'Oro reprint (1947 and 1954)
Brazilian Seleções Coloridas Walt Disney (1947)
Harukuro
Four color 9
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2007-05-07 at 11:59:46
Quote from user: cacou(I wonder how much it is worth!)
More than 10 cents that's for sure :P :D
More than 10 cents that's for sure :P :D
Quackmire
Four color 9
Message 5 -
2007-05-07 at 14:06:07
Hi again!
Thank You so much for the reply's.That is a beautiful scan of a high grade copy of Four Color 9,it may be the "Holy Grail" for many of us!
also thank you for the scan's,it is fascinating to compare the reprint's to the original's! Also i would like to correct my first statement! I believe "Hank Porter" was the artist for the "Sunday Color Pinocchio newspaper strip!" ??? And not the film?
Thank You
Wayne
Thank You so much for the reply's.That is a beautiful scan of a high grade copy of Four Color 9,it may be the "Holy Grail" for many of us!
also thank you for the scan's,it is fascinating to compare the reprint's to the original's! Also i would like to correct my first statement! I believe "Hank Porter" was the artist for the "Sunday Color Pinocchio newspaper strip!" ??? And not the film?
Thank You
Wayne
Cacou
Four color 9
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2007-05-07 at 16:01:39
It seems you are both from Canada? Is it the English or French speaking part? (I am French).
I hope I can afford to buy a copy of OS 9 in mint condition, one day...
I hope I can afford to buy a copy of OS 9 in mint condition, one day...
Morequack
Four color 9
Message 7 -
2007-05-07 at 16:18:41
Quote from user: cacouIt seems you are both from Canada? Is it the English or French speaking part? (I am French).
I hope I can afford to buy a copy of OS 9 in mint condition, one day...
I've given up trying to collect the oldies (Dells, and even certain Gold Keys). Too expensive! I'm content with collecting near mint copies of Gladstones and Gemstones. A bit more affordable?¦ :/
I hope I can afford to buy a copy of OS 9 in mint condition, one day...
I've given up trying to collect the oldies (Dells, and even certain Gold Keys). Too expensive! I'm content with collecting near mint copies of Gladstones and Gemstones. A bit more affordable?¦ :/
Harukuro
Four color 9
Message 8 -
2007-05-07 at 18:39:49
Quote from user: cacouIt seems you are both from Canada? Is it the English or French speaking part? (I am French).
I'm from the English speaking part of Canada but, I do know some French...sortof...not that much......maybe.
I'm from the English speaking part of Canada but, I do know some French...sortof...not that much......maybe.
Olivier
Four color 9
Message 9 -
2007-05-07 at 18:43:49
Great scans! Very interesting.
Robb_K
Four color 9
Message 10 -
2007-05-07 at 22:32:03
Je suis, aussi, de Canada (Manitoba). Et je parle un peu de Français.
Quackmire
Four color 9
Message 11 -
2007-05-08 at 16:58:44
Hi Cacou
Im from Toronto,Ontario! Mostly english speaking! with a little smog thrown in! LOL I also hope i will be able to own a nice copy of OS #9 one day! I have seen one advertised at one time in VG-F for around $800.00 U.S. but i think it is going to be a costly adventure indeed!
Wayne
Im from Toronto,Ontario! Mostly english speaking! with a little smog thrown in! LOL I also hope i will be able to own a nice copy of OS #9 one day! I have seen one advertised at one time in VG-F for around $800.00 U.S. but i think it is going to be a costly adventure indeed!
Wayne
Daniel73
Four color 9
Message 12 -
2007-05-12 at 11:46:38
Quote from user: cacouI'd like to point out also that scans of the original comic have recently surfaced (made from a kind of "microfiches").
What do you mean with scans of "the original comic"? Do you mean that the original art has surfaced? If not, then what do you mean with "microfiches"? Those must be copies, too.
Barks's editors have made changes in some Barks stories, making the term "original comic" very relative.
Quote from user: cacouClearly - someone retouched the original version.
Why clearly? Do black areas necessarily come from an original version?
Why would a black area be removed? It would mean that an artist or editor has to draw line-art into the whitened area, in this case suggesting wrinkles on the trousers. That's quite an effort.
The other way around is quickly done. It's easy to blacken a white area.
Quote from user: cacouAs you can see, most reprints were published after 1972, when it was published in Italy in the big "Cartonatoni Disney" books. My guess is that the changes occured at this point.
But that's a guess. First it would be interesting to define which version is original and why. The scans that you define as taken from the "original version" look hazy and filtered, as if they're edited by some software.
What do you mean with scans of "the original comic"? Do you mean that the original art has surfaced? If not, then what do you mean with "microfiches"? Those must be copies, too.
Barks's editors have made changes in some Barks stories, making the term "original comic" very relative.
Quote from user: cacouClearly - someone retouched the original version.
Why clearly? Do black areas necessarily come from an original version?
Why would a black area be removed? It would mean that an artist or editor has to draw line-art into the whitened area, in this case suggesting wrinkles on the trousers. That's quite an effort.
The other way around is quickly done. It's easy to blacken a white area.
Quote from user: cacouAs you can see, most reprints were published after 1972, when it was published in Italy in the big "Cartonatoni Disney" books. My guess is that the changes occured at this point.
But that's a guess. First it would be interesting to define which version is original and why. The scans that you define as taken from the "original version" look hazy and filtered, as if they're edited by some software.
Robb_K
Four color 9
Message 13 -
2007-05-12 at 15:52:55
"Original comic"-means, to me, the first commercial printed version (it is on paper). Anything that editors changed on Barks' original hand-drawn page would be a change of the "original artwork". Any changes editors make to a master proofs re-photographed and used as new masters would NOT be changes to original art, and would not be an "original comic" version.
Hedberg
Four color 9
Message 14 -
2007-05-13 at 08:20:40
Robbs deffinision is clear and cut to the bone - I'm behind you all the way.
Way, way back, when this comicbook was first published, nobody could care if the artist would be world famous - so the colouring was no more or less different than any other average consumption-thing, to be read and thrown away.
The art-director of the "Cartonatoni Disney" books has made some changes when adding the clouds behind Donald and Peg-leg Pete, wich IMHO is better than the first FC 9, but never the less not intended by Mr. Barks or Mr. Hannah. The shadow, by the way, is far worse - if the artist would have had shadows, he'd certainly have made them in the inking!
Way, way back, when this comicbook was first published, nobody could care if the artist would be world famous - so the colouring was no more or less different than any other average consumption-thing, to be read and thrown away.
The art-director of the "Cartonatoni Disney" books has made some changes when adding the clouds behind Donald and Peg-leg Pete, wich IMHO is better than the first FC 9, but never the less not intended by Mr. Barks or Mr. Hannah. The shadow, by the way, is far worse - if the artist would have had shadows, he'd certainly have made them in the inking!
Daniel73
Four color 9
Message 15 -
2007-05-15 at 19:42:09
Quote from user: cacouNow - the original version IS DIFFERENT from most other reprints, look eg at page 37

For further investigation I would like to see a direct scan of the original comic, without any colour-editing.
To me, this ("microfiches"?) scan example looks like being "photoshopped" in some way. As if the colouring has been digitally filtered.
Quote from user: cacouShadows have been added in recent prints, and one of Pete' sidekicks has lost his black trousers, eg DD 250:

This scan of page 37 matches with the Carl Barks Library (01A-055). The trousers are white. Shadows are included. (Also, for example, on page 39.)
I don't see any indication of any whitening of these trousers. To me, the line-art in the CBL looks just like the rest of the drawings. As being intended that way. If these white trousers ever would have been drawn black and the CBL changed, then I guess there must at least have been some indication of an editor adding outlines and wrinkling to these trousers.
In panel 37.1, the hats (kerchiefs) for Pete's helpers are white. Black hats would give them mishaped heads, as the black of the hats would merge with the black top of the heads.
The shadows in panel 37.2 look logical to me. They show the jumping of the characters, and the distance they have to the ground under them. Without shadow in panel 37.2, Pete would appear to be flying.
And also, lack of shadows in that panel would mismatch with the shadows that are shown in panel 37.1 in both given scan examples.
So far, on basis of these scan examples and their reproduction quality, my guess is that the given scan of DD 250, and the CBL contain the original version.
For further investigation I would like to see a direct scan of the original comic, without any colour-editing.
To me, this ("microfiches"?) scan example looks like being "photoshopped" in some way. As if the colouring has been digitally filtered.
Quote from user: cacouShadows have been added in recent prints, and one of Pete' sidekicks has lost his black trousers, eg DD 250:
This scan of page 37 matches with the Carl Barks Library (01A-055). The trousers are white. Shadows are included. (Also, for example, on page 39.)
I don't see any indication of any whitening of these trousers. To me, the line-art in the CBL looks just like the rest of the drawings. As being intended that way. If these white trousers ever would have been drawn black and the CBL changed, then I guess there must at least have been some indication of an editor adding outlines and wrinkling to these trousers.
In panel 37.1, the hats (kerchiefs) for Pete's helpers are white. Black hats would give them mishaped heads, as the black of the hats would merge with the black top of the heads.
The shadows in panel 37.2 look logical to me. They show the jumping of the characters, and the distance they have to the ground under them. Without shadow in panel 37.2, Pete would appear to be flying.
And also, lack of shadows in that panel would mismatch with the shadows that are shown in panel 37.1 in both given scan examples.
So far, on basis of these scan examples and their reproduction quality, my guess is that the given scan of DD 250, and the CBL contain the original version.
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