Quote from user: Thomps2525Back on topic, in what year did the Donald Duck "Shellfish Motives" story first appear?
Again, I really wish IDW would print the issue and year a story was first published. I'm sure they're not trying to pretend these are brand new, IDW-commissioned stories, so it seems like a strange omission.
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Topic: Donald Duck #1 (368)
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Baar Baar Jinx
Donald Duck #1 (368)
Message 31 -
2015-05-28 at 22:09:39
WB
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Message 32 -
2015-05-28 at 22:45:07
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxQuote from user: Thomps2525Back on topic, in what year did the Donald Duck "Shellfish Motives" story first appear?
Again, I really wish IDW would print the issue and year a story was first published. I'm sure they're not trying to pretend these are brand new, IDW-commissioned stories, so it seems like a strange omission.
It's just something that was completely overlooked in our initial book launch. Give it time and the book credits will show up. Dave's already implemented it for future issues.
As far as when Shellfish Motives first appeared -- somewhere in the mid 1950's (possibly a smidge earlier) if I am correct.
Again, I really wish IDW would print the issue and year a story was first published. I'm sure they're not trying to pretend these are brand new, IDW-commissioned stories, so it seems like a strange omission.
It's just something that was completely overlooked in our initial book launch. Give it time and the book credits will show up. Dave's already implemented it for future issues.
As far as when Shellfish Motives first appeared -- somewhere in the mid 1950's (possibly a smidge earlier) if I am correct.
Clapton
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Message 33 -
2015-05-28 at 23:57:13
Shellfish Motives (http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=I+TL++132-AP) is from 1956. As a side note I'd like to point out that this is the first Disney comic Scarpa both wrote and drew.
Robb_K
Donald Duck #1 (368)
Message 34 -
2015-05-29 at 00:13:35
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxQuote from user: Robb_KQuote from user: Thomps2525I just opened one of my many boxes of Disney comics and pulled out a comic at random: Walt Disney's Comics & Stories #262 from July 1962 .... [snip] A one-year subscription was $1.25 and a two-year subscription was $2.25. Foreign subscriptions were $2.25 per year. There is no expiration date but I'm sure the offer is no longer valid, especially when a single comic is now selling for $3.99!
The main reason why the offer is no good is because K.K. Publications and Western Publishing no longer exist. And even if Whitman Publishing still exists, it no longer has the rights to publish "Walt Disney's Comics and Stories", as IDW has those rights. IDW is not even required to honour Boom's agreements or deals, let alone going back, past Gemstone, Disney Comics and Gladstones' to honour Whitman's/Western's.
Roger, why were you posting through Robb's account?
So..... my post is one big "ROGER-ISM", eh? :)
The main reason why the offer is no good is because K.K. Publications and Western Publishing no longer exist. And even if Whitman Publishing still exists, it no longer has the rights to publish "Walt Disney's Comics and Stories", as IDW has those rights. IDW is not even required to honour Boom's agreements or deals, let alone going back, past Gemstone, Disney Comics and Gladstones' to honour Whitman's/Western's.
Roger, why were you posting through Robb's account?
So..... my post is one big "ROGER-ISM", eh? :)
Thomps2525
Donald Duck #1 (368)
Message 35 -
2015-05-29 at 00:14:06
Well, I said the dictaphone, telephones, automobiles, airplane and television camera all seemed to be from the 1950s. Thank you, Clapton. What does everyone think of more recent stories which show Donald and Scrooge using modern-day computers? Donald always wears the same clothes and drives that same car with the 313 license plate and it seems odd to me when I see him typing on a computer keyboard or watching a flat-screen tv. It's as though part of him is in the present day and part of him is stuck in the '50s. I guess what I'm asking is: Do we want to see modern inventions (such as iPads, Smart Cars and DVD players) in Donald Duck stories or would we prefer seeing only the Carl-Barks-era automobiles and telephones and appliances? The combination of old and new in the same story can be jarring!
WB
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Message 36 -
2015-05-29 at 01:15:38
I dont mind using new gadgets and doodads in a story as long as A) it doesnt read like "LOOK AT HOW HIP AND NEW AND MODERN AND FRESH WE ARE SEE SEE SEE ISNT THIS NEAT WE'RE RELEVANT" and B) the item being used makes sense when being used in the story and doesnt overshadow the plot itself. These types of duck and mouse stories tend to be utterly unbearable on principle.
At the same time, its nice to break the mold once in a while and not limit ones storytelling ideas completely due to adherence to an unspoken rule.
I prefer duck and mouse stories being periodic to the classic era, personally. They just read better IMO -- but at the same time you have to be careful of dating yourself if you do up the era just a bit (Gladstone's weird beatnik period for example) and making your story crass and juvenile for the sake of modernism.
At the same time, its nice to break the mold once in a while and not limit ones storytelling ideas completely due to adherence to an unspoken rule.
I prefer duck and mouse stories being periodic to the classic era, personally. They just read better IMO -- but at the same time you have to be careful of dating yourself if you do up the era just a bit (Gladstone's weird beatnik period for example) and making your story crass and juvenile for the sake of modernism.
Matilda
Donald Duck #1 (368)
Message 37 -
2015-05-29 at 02:25:46
Quote from user: Thomps2525Well, I said the dictaphone, telephones, automobiles, airplane and television camera all seemed to be from the 1950s. Thank you, Clapton. What does everyone think of more recent stories which show Donald and Scrooge using modern-day computers? Donald always wears the same clothes and drives that same car with the 313 license plate and it seems odd to me when I see him typing on a computer keyboard or watching a flat-screen tv. It's as though part of him is in the present day and part of him is stuck in the '50s. I guess what I'm asking is: Do we want to see modern inventions (such as iPads, Smart Cars and DVD players) in Donald Duck stories or would we prefer seeing only the Carl-Barks-era automobiles and telephones and appliances? The combination of old and new in the same story can be jarring!
Well, even in the 50's it wasn't actually normal for a grown man who wasn't in uniform to wear a sailor suit! That's just part of the Donald design that is a holdover from his Silly Symphony roots as an anthropomorphized duck who of course wears a sailor suit because duck. You have a better argument with the car, I suppose, as being a 50's (or earlier) artifact. There is in fact a Duck story (not published in the USA) which supplies a whole origin story for the car, explaining Donald's longterm attachment to it!
I myself prefer, as Rosa does, to keep the Ducks in a certain historical time period in my head canon. However, that doesn't keep me from enjoying stories including technology or other aspects of later time periods. If those stories become "real" to me (part of my head canon), I just mentally blip over the cell phone. And I enjoy many stories which do not become part of my head canon. I do not think it would be wise or feasible to have everyone keep the Ducks in the 1950's. It will be interesting to see what the new DuckTales does with this. If you want them to go on Lost World adventures, there's an advantage to setting the stories in the past (as was the case with TaleSpin).
As Jonathan says, stories which draw attention to some contemporary element in order to prove their with-it-ness are never great stories, and stories which get too trendy date themselves badly. If you're not going to go the Rosa route and set the stories firmly in the past, it's probably better in general to go for a "timeless" feel and not focus on any clearly datable element. Give Donald a smartphone, but don't make the story revolve around it.
The real problem with smartphones, of course, is that they go some way towards dethroning the Junior Woodchucks Guidebook. Not clear that the Guidebook can ever be as magical to children raised with smartphones as it was to me!
Well, even in the 50's it wasn't actually normal for a grown man who wasn't in uniform to wear a sailor suit! That's just part of the Donald design that is a holdover from his Silly Symphony roots as an anthropomorphized duck who of course wears a sailor suit because duck. You have a better argument with the car, I suppose, as being a 50's (or earlier) artifact. There is in fact a Duck story (not published in the USA) which supplies a whole origin story for the car, explaining Donald's longterm attachment to it!
I myself prefer, as Rosa does, to keep the Ducks in a certain historical time period in my head canon. However, that doesn't keep me from enjoying stories including technology or other aspects of later time periods. If those stories become "real" to me (part of my head canon), I just mentally blip over the cell phone. And I enjoy many stories which do not become part of my head canon. I do not think it would be wise or feasible to have everyone keep the Ducks in the 1950's. It will be interesting to see what the new DuckTales does with this. If you want them to go on Lost World adventures, there's an advantage to setting the stories in the past (as was the case with TaleSpin).
As Jonathan says, stories which draw attention to some contemporary element in order to prove their with-it-ness are never great stories, and stories which get too trendy date themselves badly. If you're not going to go the Rosa route and set the stories firmly in the past, it's probably better in general to go for a "timeless" feel and not focus on any clearly datable element. Give Donald a smartphone, but don't make the story revolve around it.
The real problem with smartphones, of course, is that they go some way towards dethroning the Junior Woodchucks Guidebook. Not clear that the Guidebook can ever be as magical to children raised with smartphones as it was to me!
Ramapith
Donald Duck #1 (368)
Message 38 -
2015-05-29 at 04:53:30
Quote from user: MatildaAs Jonathan says, stories which draw attention to some contemporary element in order to prove their with-it-ness are never great stories, and stories which get too trendy date themselves badly.
I'll never forget when Don Markstein, César Ferioli and I (as editor) casually showed Pegleg Pete with a cell phone in this story.
We thought absolutely nothing of it at the time??but it was apparently the first time for a cell phone in a Mickey story (at least at Egmont), and it ended up being advertised loudly as on a cover as if it were intended as a gimmick; at the time, some fans even blamed my team for being gimmicky, when nothing could be farther from the truth. We just wanted to tell a good and funny Mickey vs Pegleg Pete adventure.
I couldn't wait till cell phones became more common...
I'll never forget when Don Markstein, César Ferioli and I (as editor) casually showed Pegleg Pete with a cell phone in this story.
We thought absolutely nothing of it at the time??but it was apparently the first time for a cell phone in a Mickey story (at least at Egmont), and it ended up being advertised loudly as on a cover as if it were intended as a gimmick; at the time, some fans even blamed my team for being gimmicky, when nothing could be farther from the truth. We just wanted to tell a good and funny Mickey vs Pegleg Pete adventure.
I couldn't wait till cell phones became more common...
Thomps2525
Donald Duck #1 (368)
Message 39 -
2015-05-29 at 20:50:35
From liquor to cell phones, Pete has changed quite a bit in the last 90 years. From 1920 to 1933, Prohibition was in effect in the United States. It was illegal to manufacture, transport or sell liquor.....but yet it was not illegal to drink liquor. "Bootleg Pete" first appeared in a 1925 Alice short. (Bootlegging is another word for "liquor smuggling.") He later became known as Peg-Leg Pete. Eventually the peg-leg disappeared and he was called Black Pete. For a time, when critics decided that the Black Pete name could be interpreted as being racist, he was Big Bad Pete. On the Mickey Mouse Clubhouse series, he's simply Pete.
So what ringtone does Pete have on his cell phone? Perhaps "Steamboat Bill, steamin' down the Mississippi"?
So what ringtone does Pete have on his cell phone? Perhaps "Steamboat Bill, steamin' down the Mississippi"?
Robb_K
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Message 40 -
2015-06-03 at 21:17:32
Quote from user: MatildaThe real problem with smartphones, of course, is that they go some way towards dethroning the Junior Woodchucks Guidebook. Not clear that the Guidebook can ever be as magical to children raised with smartphones as it was to me!
I don't agree with this statement, as The Junior Woodchuck Guidebook was compiled by honest, dedicated and hard-working Junior (and Senior) Wooduchucks - most of whom are scientists, and ANYONE can make contributions to Wikipedia, and say whatever they wish, and make it unclear that they didn't do the proper research, The Junior W#oodchuck Guide is necessary, as it is a reliable source.
I don't agree with this statement, as The Junior Woodchuck Guidebook was compiled by honest, dedicated and hard-working Junior (and Senior) Wooduchucks - most of whom are scientists, and ANYONE can make contributions to Wikipedia, and say whatever they wish, and make it unclear that they didn't do the proper research, The Junior W#oodchuck Guide is necessary, as it is a reliable source.
Thomps2525
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Message 41 -
2015-06-03 at 21:42:52
Anyone who has a sense of humor and who has a lot of time to waste will enjoy reading the thousands of entries on the Uncyclopedia site. It's a satire of Wikipedia and it's hilarious! Here is a portion of the entry for Scrooge McDuck:
"When McDuck had acquired his first billion dollars in 1972, he bought a steep hill in Disneyland and built on top of it a gigantic concrete colossus called the Money Bin, in which he stored all of his possessions in small coins. He did so because of his habit of swimming in money. The fortress hill became the headquarters of his financial empire, and he began with his plan to conquer the world through greed and corpulence. McDuck's financial empire, named (imaginatively) 'McDuck Corporation', is based on gambling, extortion and an outrageous Scottish accent."
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
"When McDuck had acquired his first billion dollars in 1972, he bought a steep hill in Disneyland and built on top of it a gigantic concrete colossus called the Money Bin, in which he stored all of his possessions in small coins. He did so because of his habit of swimming in money. The fortress hill became the headquarters of his financial empire, and he began with his plan to conquer the world through greed and corpulence. McDuck's financial empire, named (imaginatively) 'McDuck Corporation', is based on gambling, extortion and an outrageous Scottish accent."
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
Baar Baar Jinx
Donald Duck #1 (368)
Message 42 -
2015-06-03 at 22:15:51
Quote from user: Robb_KQuote from user: MatildaThe real problem with smartphones, of course, is that they go some way towards dethroning the Junior Woodchucks Guidebook. Not clear that the Guidebook can ever be as magical to children raised with smartphones as it was to me!
I don't agree with this statement, as The Junior Woodchuck Guidebook was compiled by honest, dedicated and hard-working Junior (and Senior) Wooduchucks - most of whom are scientists, and ANYONE can make contributions to Wikipedia, and say whatever they wish, and make it unclear that they didn't do the proper research, The Junior W#oodchuck Guide is necessary, as it is a reliable source.
I think her point was more about how large volumes of information are now accessible via sleek, portable devices, rather than the quality of the data itself. One of the underlying jokes about the existence of the Junior Woodchuck Guidebook was that it was far too small to contain as much information as it supposedly did. Smartphones can do the same thing and are even smaller, so having Scrooge's eyes bulge when HD&L quote an obscure fact from the Guidebook is no longer as funny as it was in as late as the 90s. Yes, Wikipedia is notoriously unreliable, but there are many authoritative sites on virtually every subject under the sun that you can access with the same handheld smartphone. In today's day and age there probably wouldn't even be a physical Guidebook any more ... just a (perhaps password-protected) website or app.
I don't agree with this statement, as The Junior Woodchuck Guidebook was compiled by honest, dedicated and hard-working Junior (and Senior) Wooduchucks - most of whom are scientists, and ANYONE can make contributions to Wikipedia, and say whatever they wish, and make it unclear that they didn't do the proper research, The Junior W#oodchuck Guide is necessary, as it is a reliable source.
I think her point was more about how large volumes of information are now accessible via sleek, portable devices, rather than the quality of the data itself. One of the underlying jokes about the existence of the Junior Woodchuck Guidebook was that it was far too small to contain as much information as it supposedly did. Smartphones can do the same thing and are even smaller, so having Scrooge's eyes bulge when HD&L quote an obscure fact from the Guidebook is no longer as funny as it was in as late as the 90s. Yes, Wikipedia is notoriously unreliable, but there are many authoritative sites on virtually every subject under the sun that you can access with the same handheld smartphone. In today's day and age there probably wouldn't even be a physical Guidebook any more ... just a (perhaps password-protected) website or app.
Sirtao
Donald Duck #1 (368)
Message 43 -
2015-06-03 at 22:44:05
in the latest Italian stories I've read, they have a everything-proof, solar-charged tablet with the Guide digitalized inside
also, in Italy is still common to see cars such as this https://i.imgur.com/Qvc7GoH.jpg going around, so for Donald, who isn't the duck usually swimming in money, keeping his old working car doesn't seem weird at all.
also, in Italy is still common to see cars such as this https://i.imgur.com/Qvc7GoH.jpg going around, so for Donald, who isn't the duck usually swimming in money, keeping his old working car doesn't seem weird at all.
Matilda
Donald Duck #1 (368)
Message 44 -
2015-06-04 at 00:10:20
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxQuote from user: Robb_KQuote from user: MatildaThe real problem with smartphones, of course, is that they go some way towards dethroning the Junior Woodchucks Guidebook. Not clear that the Guidebook can ever be as magical to children raised with smartphones as it was to me!
I don't agree with this statement, as The Junior Woodchuck Guidebook was compiled by honest, dedicated and hard-working Junior (and Senior) Wooduchucks - most of whom are scientists, and ANYONE can make contributions to Wikipedia, and say whatever they wish, and make it unclear that they didn't do the proper research, The Junior W#oodchuck Guide is necessary, as it is a reliable source.
I think her point was more about how large volumes of information are now accessible via sleek, portable devices, rather than the quality of the data itself. One of the underlying jokes about the existence of the Junior Woodchuck Guidebook was that it was far too small to contain as much information as it supposedly did. Smartphones can do the same thing and are even smaller, so having Scrooge's eyes bulge when HD&L quote an obscure fact from the Guidebook is no longer as funny as it was in as late as the 90s. Yes, Wikipedia is notoriously unreliable, but there are many authoritative sites on virtually every subject under the sun that you can access with the same handheld smartphone. In today's day and age there probably wouldn't even be a physical Guidebook any more ... just a (perhaps password-protected) website or app.
Yes, what BBJ said. You'll note I said "they go *some way towards* dethroning the JW Guidebook." True, the Guidebook remains distinctive in its complete trustworthiness. But the joke--and the magic--of "all needed knowledge contained in one little package" doesn't play in the same way it did in my childhood.
I don't agree with this statement, as The Junior Woodchuck Guidebook was compiled by honest, dedicated and hard-working Junior (and Senior) Wooduchucks - most of whom are scientists, and ANYONE can make contributions to Wikipedia, and say whatever they wish, and make it unclear that they didn't do the proper research, The Junior W#oodchuck Guide is necessary, as it is a reliable source.
I think her point was more about how large volumes of information are now accessible via sleek, portable devices, rather than the quality of the data itself. One of the underlying jokes about the existence of the Junior Woodchuck Guidebook was that it was far too small to contain as much information as it supposedly did. Smartphones can do the same thing and are even smaller, so having Scrooge's eyes bulge when HD&L quote an obscure fact from the Guidebook is no longer as funny as it was in as late as the 90s. Yes, Wikipedia is notoriously unreliable, but there are many authoritative sites on virtually every subject under the sun that you can access with the same handheld smartphone. In today's day and age there probably wouldn't even be a physical Guidebook any more ... just a (perhaps password-protected) website or app.
Yes, what BBJ said. You'll note I said "they go *some way towards* dethroning the JW Guidebook." True, the Guidebook remains distinctive in its complete trustworthiness. But the joke--and the magic--of "all needed knowledge contained in one little package" doesn't play in the same way it did in my childhood.
MustangRockstar
Donald Duck #1 (368)
Message 45 -
2015-06-07 at 02:00:05
Liked the references to Taxi in Shellfish Motives.
Just got done re-watching the series so it was fresh on my mind.
Just got done re-watching the series so it was fresh on my mind.