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Topic: It's all about the story.
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Roger North
It's all about the story.
Message 16 -
2013-05-05 at 20:27:14
I probably doubt it. He doesn't consider any duck that is not created by Carl Barks to be any actual character in the Donald Duck and Uncle Scrooge universe that is original to the show. Besides It was the Jamie Diaz Studios that wrote and drew the story. Don Rosa just provided the script.
Roger North
It's all about the story.
Message 17 -
2013-05-05 at 20:28:47
Quote from user: Review Or DieQuote from user: Roger NorthQuote from user: Review Or DieReading it, I felt it was one of the most incompetent artistic modern efforts I'd ever seen in Disney. The drawings weren't funny, it was badly staged, and as has been pointed out by Rosa himself, either the artist or editor were too incompetent to follow the script.
I fail to see why "black and white" is a thing to follow here, and if I'm the one arguing for moderation, then I'm pretty sure that everything that could possibly BE wrong, is.
Well That's your opinion. I happen to like that story. Yeah there are other stories that might be better but this one is relatively good despite the fact that it wasn't very memorable. This is the one story that Don Rosa contributed to without drawing it himself. He provided the script for the story. It is also the first time Bubba the Caveduck appeared in a comic.
I know it's my opinion: That's why I said it, and used the 'I' statements.
But please don't confuse "interesting from a historical perspective" with quality, because those two things you mentioned aren't indicative, for good or bad, of its quality. I didn't know that last one about Bubba though, that's kind of funny.
Say What You Will but I think that those historical facts are interesting even if you don't.
I fail to see why "black and white" is a thing to follow here, and if I'm the one arguing for moderation, then I'm pretty sure that everything that could possibly BE wrong, is.
Well That's your opinion. I happen to like that story. Yeah there are other stories that might be better but this one is relatively good despite the fact that it wasn't very memorable. This is the one story that Don Rosa contributed to without drawing it himself. He provided the script for the story. It is also the first time Bubba the Caveduck appeared in a comic.
I know it's my opinion: That's why I said it, and used the 'I' statements.
But please don't confuse "interesting from a historical perspective" with quality, because those two things you mentioned aren't indicative, for good or bad, of its quality. I didn't know that last one about Bubba though, that's kind of funny.
Say What You Will but I think that those historical facts are interesting even if you don't.
GeoX
It's all about the story.
Message 18 -
2013-05-05 at 23:26:10
YOU MEAN THIS WAS THE FIRST-EVER COMIC TO USE EVERYONE'S LEAST-FAVORITE DUCKTALES CHARACTER?!? WELL PULL MY TAIL AND CALL ME SALLY! I GUESS IT *MUST* BE GOOD!
...but seriously, have we really decided that all evaluative statements about anything are instantly invalidated if one person in the world disagrees? 'Cause I would, uh, beg to differ on this point.
Also, I note that Review Or Die didn't say anything about whether or not he finds this deathless historical fact "interesting," and you probably shouldn't put words in his mouth.
...but seriously, have we really decided that all evaluative statements about anything are instantly invalidated if one person in the world disagrees? 'Cause I would, uh, beg to differ on this point.
Also, I note that Review Or Die didn't say anything about whether or not he finds this deathless historical fact "interesting," and you probably shouldn't put words in his mouth.
Baar Baar Jinx
It's all about the story.
Message 19 -
2013-05-06 at 00:17:09
Quote from user: Roger NorthI probably doubt it. He doesn't consider any duck that is not created by Carl Barks to be any actual character in the Donald Duck and Uncle Scrooge universe that is original to the show. Besides It was the Jamie Diaz Studios that wrote and drew the story. Don Rosa just provided the script.
I know. I was being sarcastic. I think most people on this forum are aware of Rosa's contempt for DuckTales in general, and a character like this in particular. I shudder to think of the self-loathing Rosa went through as a result of putting Bubba-spouted words onto paper. PTSD-inducing stuff.
Quote from user: GeoXYOU MEAN THIS WAS THE FIRST-EVER COMIC TO USE EVERYONE'S LEAST-FAVORITE DUCKTALES CHARACTER?!? WELL PULL MY TAIL AND CALL ME SALLY! I GUESS IT *MUST* BE GOOD!
I think the irony here, Sally, is that it was Don Rosa, of all people, who holds this dubious distinction. Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if he had to have therapy for this. I mean, he created the Black Knight, he wrote the LOS series, he had Scrooge meet Teddy Roosevelt, and he also gave us the first comic book story with Bubba. It's the Rosa equivalent of the "Star Wars Holiday Special".
Quote from user: GeoX...but seriously, have we really decided that all evaluative statements about anything are instantly invalidated if one person in the world disagrees? 'Cause I would, uh, beg to differ on this point.
But in today's uber-politically correct world, even the mildest protestation of being offended by a single individual, no matter how weak or inexplicable, results in commercials being pulled, episodes being canceled, movies being butchered, history being rewritten and celebrations being curtailed. Nothing stifles creativity like ill-conceived, over-reaching, hypersensitive political correctness.
I know. I was being sarcastic. I think most people on this forum are aware of Rosa's contempt for DuckTales in general, and a character like this in particular. I shudder to think of the self-loathing Rosa went through as a result of putting Bubba-spouted words onto paper. PTSD-inducing stuff.
Quote from user: GeoXYOU MEAN THIS WAS THE FIRST-EVER COMIC TO USE EVERYONE'S LEAST-FAVORITE DUCKTALES CHARACTER?!? WELL PULL MY TAIL AND CALL ME SALLY! I GUESS IT *MUST* BE GOOD!
I think the irony here, Sally, is that it was Don Rosa, of all people, who holds this dubious distinction. Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if he had to have therapy for this. I mean, he created the Black Knight, he wrote the LOS series, he had Scrooge meet Teddy Roosevelt, and he also gave us the first comic book story with Bubba. It's the Rosa equivalent of the "Star Wars Holiday Special".
Quote from user: GeoX...but seriously, have we really decided that all evaluative statements about anything are instantly invalidated if one person in the world disagrees? 'Cause I would, uh, beg to differ on this point.
But in today's uber-politically correct world, even the mildest protestation of being offended by a single individual, no matter how weak or inexplicable, results in commercials being pulled, episodes being canceled, movies being butchered, history being rewritten and celebrations being curtailed. Nothing stifles creativity like ill-conceived, over-reaching, hypersensitive political correctness.
GeoX
It's all about the story.
Message 20 -
2013-05-06 at 00:33:03
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxBut in today's uber-politically correct world, even the mildest protestation of being offended by a single individual, no matter how weak or inexplicable, results in commercials being pulled, episodes being canceled, movies being butchered, history being rewritten and celebrations being curtailed. Nothing stifles creativity like ill-conceived, over-reaching, hypersensitive political correctness.
So...is Review Or Die the one who's Stifling Creativity by criticizing "Back in Time," or is Roger doing it by insisting it's good? I'm confused.
So...is Review Or Die the one who's Stifling Creativity by criticizing "Back in Time," or is Roger doing it by insisting it's good? I'm confused.
Review Or Die
It's all about the story.
Message 21 -
2013-05-06 at 04:50:57
I... uh...
Huh. I don't even know how to respond to that.
Well, here's a fun fact - At a convention, Don Rosa talked about watching DuckTales, and called it perhaps the best animated program of its decade. Why would he use Bubba, or know to use Bubba, if he didn't know the show?
His big thing is that it has nothing to do with the comics, and that it was a dumbed down version of what Barks was doing. He compared it to the Superfriends, which is probably apt.
Huh. I don't even know how to respond to that.
Well, here's a fun fact - At a convention, Don Rosa talked about watching DuckTales, and called it perhaps the best animated program of its decade. Why would he use Bubba, or know to use Bubba, if he didn't know the show?
His big thing is that it has nothing to do with the comics, and that it was a dumbed down version of what Barks was doing. He compared it to the Superfriends, which is probably apt.
GeoX
It's all about the story.
Message 22 -
2013-05-06 at 05:00:37
Am I losing my mind, or do I remember reading somewhere that Rosa had no particular interest in including Bubba but was compelled to by editorial fiat?
Review Or Die
It's all about the story.
Message 23 -
2013-05-06 at 05:03:15
I have no idea, but that would make sense. I was presuming where that knowledge of Bubba's character came from, but the rest is true.
For the 'what could have been' bin, how great would it have been if his experience writing a story for someone else to draw, you know, HADN'T been disastrous from start to finish?
For the 'what could have been' bin, how great would it have been if his experience writing a story for someone else to draw, you know, HADN'T been disastrous from start to finish?
Baar Baar Jinx
It's all about the story.
Message 24 -
2013-05-06 at 12:51:30
Quote from user: Review Or DieI... uh...
Huh. I don't even know how to respond to that.
I didn't mean to imply a criticism of your disdain for the story in question. Quite the opposite, actually. It was just meant to be a general statement about political correctness.
As far as the Rosa-using-Bubba question goes, I reread the story, and he was hardly integral to the plot. Yes, it was about time travel and included dinosaurs, but Bubba as a character added little to the narrative. Honestly, this is probably the only thing Rosa ever did that has a "phoned-in" quality to it, but I'm still unsure, after reading Rosa's comments on it in the DCML, whether he actually wrote Bubba in himself, or whether he was added by the editors (as has been suggested by some sources). Here's what he said about the story on the DCML:
"My DUCKTALES magazine story was a shortie about Magica sending $crooge's mansion with herself back into the Jurassic (I guess) era until he tosses his Dime out to her. I'm even pretty vague on the details now, but I think he tosses it over to a certain spot so that when she grabs it and returns the mansion and grounds to the present, she's standing where the pool is and falls in and they grab her, ta da. I recall how they screwed it up proper in several ways... one of which is a throw-away gag in the first panel where $crooge says "What's that TREMOR running through the house?" and some dull-witted character pointing to a tiny mouse saying "That's a MOUSE!" No big yuk, but the gag was rewritten into "The whole house is shaking!" "That mouse is shaking it!" These tiny imbecilities by editors are what drives people like me nuts!
WHY did I "stoop" to do this job? I had just lost my job with Gladstone when Disney told them not to return my artwork (reducing my income to about $10,000 per year which I couldn't get by on). I needed WORK. And when they called, I still originally refused the idea of doing a DUCKTALES story OR writing something that someone else would draw. But they were paying a LOT for that simple-mined drek, so I did a story. I figured on doing a few more, but I had trouble getting them to PAY; so after I complained a few times, they paid me, and then went to someone else for the next script. I was spared further debasement!"
I have to admit, I don't get the original joke Rosa intended any more than the one that finally appeared.
Huh. I don't even know how to respond to that.
I didn't mean to imply a criticism of your disdain for the story in question. Quite the opposite, actually. It was just meant to be a general statement about political correctness.
As far as the Rosa-using-Bubba question goes, I reread the story, and he was hardly integral to the plot. Yes, it was about time travel and included dinosaurs, but Bubba as a character added little to the narrative. Honestly, this is probably the only thing Rosa ever did that has a "phoned-in" quality to it, but I'm still unsure, after reading Rosa's comments on it in the DCML, whether he actually wrote Bubba in himself, or whether he was added by the editors (as has been suggested by some sources). Here's what he said about the story on the DCML:
"My DUCKTALES magazine story was a shortie about Magica sending $crooge's mansion with herself back into the Jurassic (I guess) era until he tosses his Dime out to her. I'm even pretty vague on the details now, but I think he tosses it over to a certain spot so that when she grabs it and returns the mansion and grounds to the present, she's standing where the pool is and falls in and they grab her, ta da. I recall how they screwed it up proper in several ways... one of which is a throw-away gag in the first panel where $crooge says "What's that TREMOR running through the house?" and some dull-witted character pointing to a tiny mouse saying "That's a MOUSE!" No big yuk, but the gag was rewritten into "The whole house is shaking!" "That mouse is shaking it!" These tiny imbecilities by editors are what drives people like me nuts!
WHY did I "stoop" to do this job? I had just lost my job with Gladstone when Disney told them not to return my artwork (reducing my income to about $10,000 per year which I couldn't get by on). I needed WORK. And when they called, I still originally refused the idea of doing a DUCKTALES story OR writing something that someone else would draw. But they were paying a LOT for that simple-mined drek, so I did a story. I figured on doing a few more, but I had trouble getting them to PAY; so after I complained a few times, they paid me, and then went to someone else for the next script. I was spared further debasement!"
I have to admit, I don't get the original joke Rosa intended any more than the one that finally appeared.
Matilda
It's all about the story.
Message 25 -
2013-05-06 at 15:46:24
Original joke: the dimwit doesn't know the word "tremor" and thinks Scrooge is referring to some critter "running through the house."
Baar Baar Jinx
It's all about the story.
Message 26 -
2013-05-06 at 16:40:32
Quote from user: MatildaOriginal joke: the dimwit doesn't know the word "tremor" and thinks Scrooge is referring to some critter "running through the house."
Not funny. But I guess the fact that Rosa wrote this joke suggests that he did write Bubba into the story.
Not funny. But I guess the fact that Rosa wrote this joke suggests that he did write Bubba into the story.
Ramapith
It's all about the story.
Message 27 -
2013-05-06 at 16:45:04
When we reprinted that story at Gemstone (in US 369), I attempted to reinstate Don's original gag??but I see, upon checking it, that my "original" wording still doesn't quite match Don's e-mail above.
I wonder if I drank too much nutmeg tea that day...
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxI guess the fact that Rosa wrote this joke suggests that he did write Bubba into the story.
I didn't realize it before??but I guess so! He refers to "some dull-witted character" in his e-mail, which could only be Bubba under the circumstances.
I wonder if I drank too much nutmeg tea that day...
Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxI guess the fact that Rosa wrote this joke suggests that he did write Bubba into the story.
I didn't realize it before??but I guess so! He refers to "some dull-witted character" in his e-mail, which could only be Bubba under the circumstances.
Baar Baar Jinx
It's all about the story.
Message 28 -
2013-05-07 at 18:39:04
I'm curious about this "DuckTales Magazine" title that the Rosa story first appeared in. Was it published by Disney themselves? How many issues did it have, was it all comics, and did it come out contemperaneously with Gladstone I's DuckTales title? There isn't a whole lot about it on the Internet, surprisingly.
Roger North
It's all about the story.
Message 29 -
2013-05-07 at 19:21:10
Well I think that Duck Tales Magazine was published by Donald E Welsh Publishing. It did come out around the same time as Gladstone I's Duck Tales title.
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