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Topic: Cinemassacre's video about Carl Barks. What do you think?
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GeoX
Cinemassacre's video about Carl Barks. What do you think?
Message 16 -
2012-11-06 at 03:34:54
"And taking things too seriously spoils them" sounds more like a value judgment than a "statement of facts" to me. It's also a case of begging the question in the original, logical-fallacy sense.
Review Or Die
Cinemassacre's video about Carl Barks. What do you think?
Message 17 -
2012-11-06 at 04:10:15
I really, really wanted to not post in this topic about it, but... argh, I couldn't help myself.
The comment on Don Rosa just struck me as a petty aside that had nothing to do with the content of an otherwise excellent video, nothing else. It kind of rubbed me the wrong way because it felt like he was telling me that I'm enjoying Barks' work 'wrong' by enjoying Rosa's approach to the subject matter or the story itself, and I think that's a pretty bold, dickish assumption on his part.
I really hate the 'true Scotsman' argument, and that's really all this was at its core. You see it in a lot of fandoms and it makes me CRAZY.
A: "No Barks fan would enjoy Rosa's work!"
B: "I think Carl Barks is a master, and I think Don Rosa did wonderful things with the universe he created. In many ways, I actually prefer what Rosa did from a storytelling perspective, but that doesn't diminish my enjoyment of Barks."
A: "... no TRUE Barks fan would enjoy Rosa's work!"
Art, in any form, is what you make of it, and authorial intent should not be confused the work itself: It is this confusion on which Matei rests his own, TEN SECOND IN A THIRTY MINUTE VIDEO, argument.
misterpom, I don't know how much you've had the chance to read Rosa's stuff, but if you do get the chance, I hope you take it. There's never been a Disney artist like him before or since, and I personally love what he did with the material.
The comment on Don Rosa just struck me as a petty aside that had nothing to do with the content of an otherwise excellent video, nothing else. It kind of rubbed me the wrong way because it felt like he was telling me that I'm enjoying Barks' work 'wrong' by enjoying Rosa's approach to the subject matter or the story itself, and I think that's a pretty bold, dickish assumption on his part.
I really hate the 'true Scotsman' argument, and that's really all this was at its core. You see it in a lot of fandoms and it makes me CRAZY.
A: "No Barks fan would enjoy Rosa's work!"
B: "I think Carl Barks is a master, and I think Don Rosa did wonderful things with the universe he created. In many ways, I actually prefer what Rosa did from a storytelling perspective, but that doesn't diminish my enjoyment of Barks."
A: "... no TRUE Barks fan would enjoy Rosa's work!"
Art, in any form, is what you make of it, and authorial intent should not be confused the work itself: It is this confusion on which Matei rests his own, TEN SECOND IN A THIRTY MINUTE VIDEO, argument.
misterpom, I don't know how much you've had the chance to read Rosa's stuff, but if you do get the chance, I hope you take it. There's never been a Disney artist like him before or since, and I personally love what he did with the material.
Misterpom
Cinemassacre's video about Carl Barks. What do you think?
Message 18 -
2012-11-06 at 04:55:33
Quote from user: Review Or DieQuote from user: misterpomI don't know if any of you guys are aware of this video. It came about almost 2 months ago on this website called Cinemassacre, which is a favorite of mine. That's how I was introduced to Carl Barks. I used to think that Disney Comics were intended for children only and (frankly) kind of lame. God, was I wrong! I bought the "Lost in The Andes" book by Fantagraphics and I was instantly hooked. I ordered "Only a Poor Man" and I'm waiting for the other 2 volumes to be released. I plan to buy them all. I don't care if it takes 10 or 20 years. It opened a whole new world for me.
I actually really love that you're buying all of these volumes and forgot to say that in my initial post, I feel bad about that.
Carl Barks did truly fantastic comics and I'm glad Cinemassacre helped expose you to them. I really hope you get the chance to enjoy Uncle Scrooge and Donald the way so many others have!
Since you're getting in to the classic Disney pieces, may I suggest you take a look at the Gottfredson Mickey Mouse comics as well? Fantagraphics' collection of his work is superb, and Barks said he learned some comic construction fundamentals from Gottfredson (specifically related to how action is covered on a page). They're very different kinds of comics, but in many ways they are equally innovative. I actually think it's fair to say that Gottfredson's techniques that made him so popular and causes his work to hold up are actually LOST in this day and age because of the way newspaper comics have developed. Along with Carl Barks' work, I cannot recommend them highly enough.
What are some of your favorite stories in the Fantagraphics Carl Barks collection so far?
Thank you very much. I will certainly buy them all, since the other collections are so expensive. Fantagraphics to me seems like the best deal out there, considering that is has nice paper, hardcover, some articles on Barks and his stories and also an excellent price. You can't beat that. Other collections are way too expensive for me.
I'm definitely interested in Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse but I don't know exactly how those stories are. They seem to be similiar in concept to the adventures of the Ducks, right? Could you please give me an insight and show the differences between Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse and Barks' Ducks in terms of storytelling/stories? I haven't read anything by him, so I don't know what to expect. I will definitely give it a shot. I plan to buy them between the Barks releases. I will try to get the first volume in between "Christmas For Shacktown" and "The Old Castle Secret", since it will be like a 6 months gap or something.
So far I have only read the first volume of the collection. The first Uncle Scrooge is on its way from Amazon but because of hurricane Sandy it's taking longer than expected. Lost in the Andes is certainly the best of the adventure stories contained in the book, with "Race to The South Seas" in second. I didn't like Voodoo Hoodoo too much, really. In "Lost in The Andes" I liked the level of detail of the artwork and the recurring jokes about bubblegum, which I felt weren't too heavy handed. I think the whole story (including the ending) is very creative and has great pacing. I hope to see more stories of the kind in the future. I'm specially looking forward to "The Old Castle Secret", "The Golden Helmet", "The Seven Cities of Cibola" and "Back to Klondike". Of all the so called "10 pagers", I think it's a tie between "Managing the echo system" and "Pizen Spring Dude Ranch". The first was very funny, with the whole battle between HDL and Donald. The second one wasn't funny but I liked the little mystery and the reactions of Donald. My girlfriend is reading it now. I insisted so much that she eventually got curious haha. Now she says she's liking it very much.
I haven't read any of the Don Rosa stories. I wanted to read Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck but it's too expensive for me at the moment and I'm not sure I should pick the "Companion" first. I opened a thread about it not long ago. I have the stories in ".cbz" format and I can read them on ComicRack if I want to, but I find it rather depressing. I feel those comics should be read on paper and not on a laptop. I don't know, maybe it's the only way I can get to read those stories.
I also got some brazilian Donald Duck comics. They are decent but they're nowhere near the quality of Barks work. The only good side is that they're really cheap in here (less than a dollar), so I can read some while Amazon doesn't deliver the one I ordered.
Something that I haven't mentioned is that I plan to rate every Barks story I get to read. I will read the first volume again and give each story a rating. I love doing that for some reason haha. I do that for games, TV shows, movies, etc. When the lists gets bigger, I will then post here my ranking, with special attention to the top 10.
Bye
I actually really love that you're buying all of these volumes and forgot to say that in my initial post, I feel bad about that.
Carl Barks did truly fantastic comics and I'm glad Cinemassacre helped expose you to them. I really hope you get the chance to enjoy Uncle Scrooge and Donald the way so many others have!
Since you're getting in to the classic Disney pieces, may I suggest you take a look at the Gottfredson Mickey Mouse comics as well? Fantagraphics' collection of his work is superb, and Barks said he learned some comic construction fundamentals from Gottfredson (specifically related to how action is covered on a page). They're very different kinds of comics, but in many ways they are equally innovative. I actually think it's fair to say that Gottfredson's techniques that made him so popular and causes his work to hold up are actually LOST in this day and age because of the way newspaper comics have developed. Along with Carl Barks' work, I cannot recommend them highly enough.
What are some of your favorite stories in the Fantagraphics Carl Barks collection so far?
Thank you very much. I will certainly buy them all, since the other collections are so expensive. Fantagraphics to me seems like the best deal out there, considering that is has nice paper, hardcover, some articles on Barks and his stories and also an excellent price. You can't beat that. Other collections are way too expensive for me.
I'm definitely interested in Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse but I don't know exactly how those stories are. They seem to be similiar in concept to the adventures of the Ducks, right? Could you please give me an insight and show the differences between Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse and Barks' Ducks in terms of storytelling/stories? I haven't read anything by him, so I don't know what to expect. I will definitely give it a shot. I plan to buy them between the Barks releases. I will try to get the first volume in between "Christmas For Shacktown" and "The Old Castle Secret", since it will be like a 6 months gap or something.
So far I have only read the first volume of the collection. The first Uncle Scrooge is on its way from Amazon but because of hurricane Sandy it's taking longer than expected. Lost in the Andes is certainly the best of the adventure stories contained in the book, with "Race to The South Seas" in second. I didn't like Voodoo Hoodoo too much, really. In "Lost in The Andes" I liked the level of detail of the artwork and the recurring jokes about bubblegum, which I felt weren't too heavy handed. I think the whole story (including the ending) is very creative and has great pacing. I hope to see more stories of the kind in the future. I'm specially looking forward to "The Old Castle Secret", "The Golden Helmet", "The Seven Cities of Cibola" and "Back to Klondike". Of all the so called "10 pagers", I think it's a tie between "Managing the echo system" and "Pizen Spring Dude Ranch". The first was very funny, with the whole battle between HDL and Donald. The second one wasn't funny but I liked the little mystery and the reactions of Donald. My girlfriend is reading it now. I insisted so much that she eventually got curious haha. Now she says she's liking it very much.
I haven't read any of the Don Rosa stories. I wanted to read Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck but it's too expensive for me at the moment and I'm not sure I should pick the "Companion" first. I opened a thread about it not long ago. I have the stories in ".cbz" format and I can read them on ComicRack if I want to, but I find it rather depressing. I feel those comics should be read on paper and not on a laptop. I don't know, maybe it's the only way I can get to read those stories.
I also got some brazilian Donald Duck comics. They are decent but they're nowhere near the quality of Barks work. The only good side is that they're really cheap in here (less than a dollar), so I can read some while Amazon doesn't deliver the one I ordered.
Something that I haven't mentioned is that I plan to rate every Barks story I get to read. I will read the first volume again and give each story a rating. I love doing that for some reason haha. I do that for games, TV shows, movies, etc. When the lists gets bigger, I will then post here my ranking, with special attention to the top 10.
Bye
Robb_K
Cinemassacre's video about Carl Barks. What do you think?
Message 19 -
2012-11-06 at 05:06:57
Quote from user: misterpomQuote from user: Review Or DieQuote from user: misterpomI don't know if any of you guys are aware of this video. It came about almost 2 months ago on this website called Cinemassacre, which is a favorite of mine. That's how I was introduced to Carl Barks. I used to think that Disney Comics were intended for children only and (frankly) kind of lame. God, was I wrong! I bought the "Lost in The Andes" book by Fantagraphics and I was instantly hooked. I ordered "Only a Poor Man" and I'm waiting for the other 2 volumes to be released. I plan to buy them all. I don't care if it takes 10 or 20 years. It opened a whole new world for me.
I actually really love that you're buying all of these volumes and forgot to say that in my initial post, I feel bad about that.
Carl Barks did truly fantastic comics and I'm glad Cinemassacre helped expose you to them. I really hope you get the chance to enjoy Uncle Scrooge and Donald the way so many others have!
Since you're getting in to the classic Disney pieces, may I suggest you take a look at the Gottfredson Mickey Mouse comics as well? Fantagraphics' collection of his work is superb, and Barks said he learned some comic construction fundamentals from Gottfredson (specifically related to how action is covered on a page). They're very different kinds of comics, but in many ways they are equally innovative. I actually think it's fair to say that Gottfredson's techniques that made him so popular and causes his work to hold up are actually LOST in this day and age because of the way newspaper comics have developed. Along with Carl Barks' work, I cannot recommend them highly enough.
What are some of your favorite stories in the Fantagraphics Carl Barks collection so far?
Thank you very much. I will certainly buy them all, since the other collections are so expensive. Fantagraphics to me seems like the best deal out there, considering that is has nice paper, hardcover, some articles on Barks and his stories and also an excellent price. You can't beat that. Other collections are way too expensive for me.
I'm definitely interested in Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse but I don't know exactly how those stories are. They seem to be similiar in concept to the adventures of the Ducks, right? Could you please give me an insight and show the differences between Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse and Barks' Ducks in terms of storytelling/stories? I haven't read anything by him, so I don't know what to expect. I will definitely give it a shot. I plan to buy them between the Barks releases. I will try to get the first volume in between "Christmas For Shacktown" and "The Old Castle Secret", since it will be like a 6 months gap or something.
So far I have only read the first volume of the collection. The first Uncle Scrooge is on its way from Amazon but because of hurricane Sandy it's taking longer than expected. Lost in the Andes is certainly the best of the adventure stories contained in the book, with "Race to The South Seas" in second. I didn't like Voodoo Hoodoo too much, really. In "Lost in The Andes" I liked the level of detail of the artwork and the recurring jokes about bubblegum, which I felt weren't too heavy handed. I think the whole story (including the ending) is very creative and has great pacing. I hope to see more stories of the kind in the future. I'm specially looking forward to "The Old Castle Secret", "The Golden Helmet", "The Seven Cities of Cibola" and "Back to Klondike". Of all the so called "10 pagers", I think it's a tie between "Managing the echo system" and "Pizen Spring Dude Ranch". The first was very funny, with the whole battle between HDL and Donald. The second one wasn't funny but I liked the little mystery and the reactions of Donald. My girlfriend is reading it now. I insisted so much that she eventually got curious haha. Now she says she's liking it very much.
I haven't read any of the Don Rosa stories. I wanted to read Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck but it's too expensive for me at the moment and I'm not sure I should pick the "Companion" first. I opened a thread about it not long ago. I have the stories in ".cbz" format and I can read them on ComicRack if I want to, but I find it rather depressing. I feel those comics should be read on paper and not on a laptop. I don't know, maybe it's the only way I can get to read those stories.
I also got some brazilian Donald Duck comics. They are decent but they're nowhere near the quality of Barks work. The only good side is that they're really cheap in here (less than a dollar), so I can read some while Amazon doesn't deliver the one I ordered.
Something that I haven't mentioned is that I plan to rate every Barks story I get to read. I will read the first volume again and give each story a rating. I love doing that for some reason haha. I do that for games, TV shows, movies, etc. When the lists gets bigger, I will then post here my ranking, with special attention to the top 10.
Bye
You read Portuguese? Are you Brasilian? Your web address doesn't trigger a national flag showing your location.
I actually really love that you're buying all of these volumes and forgot to say that in my initial post, I feel bad about that.
Carl Barks did truly fantastic comics and I'm glad Cinemassacre helped expose you to them. I really hope you get the chance to enjoy Uncle Scrooge and Donald the way so many others have!
Since you're getting in to the classic Disney pieces, may I suggest you take a look at the Gottfredson Mickey Mouse comics as well? Fantagraphics' collection of his work is superb, and Barks said he learned some comic construction fundamentals from Gottfredson (specifically related to how action is covered on a page). They're very different kinds of comics, but in many ways they are equally innovative. I actually think it's fair to say that Gottfredson's techniques that made him so popular and causes his work to hold up are actually LOST in this day and age because of the way newspaper comics have developed. Along with Carl Barks' work, I cannot recommend them highly enough.
What are some of your favorite stories in the Fantagraphics Carl Barks collection so far?
Thank you very much. I will certainly buy them all, since the other collections are so expensive. Fantagraphics to me seems like the best deal out there, considering that is has nice paper, hardcover, some articles on Barks and his stories and also an excellent price. You can't beat that. Other collections are way too expensive for me.
I'm definitely interested in Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse but I don't know exactly how those stories are. They seem to be similiar in concept to the adventures of the Ducks, right? Could you please give me an insight and show the differences between Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse and Barks' Ducks in terms of storytelling/stories? I haven't read anything by him, so I don't know what to expect. I will definitely give it a shot. I plan to buy them between the Barks releases. I will try to get the first volume in between "Christmas For Shacktown" and "The Old Castle Secret", since it will be like a 6 months gap or something.
So far I have only read the first volume of the collection. The first Uncle Scrooge is on its way from Amazon but because of hurricane Sandy it's taking longer than expected. Lost in the Andes is certainly the best of the adventure stories contained in the book, with "Race to The South Seas" in second. I didn't like Voodoo Hoodoo too much, really. In "Lost in The Andes" I liked the level of detail of the artwork and the recurring jokes about bubblegum, which I felt weren't too heavy handed. I think the whole story (including the ending) is very creative and has great pacing. I hope to see more stories of the kind in the future. I'm specially looking forward to "The Old Castle Secret", "The Golden Helmet", "The Seven Cities of Cibola" and "Back to Klondike". Of all the so called "10 pagers", I think it's a tie between "Managing the echo system" and "Pizen Spring Dude Ranch". The first was very funny, with the whole battle between HDL and Donald. The second one wasn't funny but I liked the little mystery and the reactions of Donald. My girlfriend is reading it now. I insisted so much that she eventually got curious haha. Now she says she's liking it very much.
I haven't read any of the Don Rosa stories. I wanted to read Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck but it's too expensive for me at the moment and I'm not sure I should pick the "Companion" first. I opened a thread about it not long ago. I have the stories in ".cbz" format and I can read them on ComicRack if I want to, but I find it rather depressing. I feel those comics should be read on paper and not on a laptop. I don't know, maybe it's the only way I can get to read those stories.
I also got some brazilian Donald Duck comics. They are decent but they're nowhere near the quality of Barks work. The only good side is that they're really cheap in here (less than a dollar), so I can read some while Amazon doesn't deliver the one I ordered.
Something that I haven't mentioned is that I plan to rate every Barks story I get to read. I will read the first volume again and give each story a rating. I love doing that for some reason haha. I do that for games, TV shows, movies, etc. When the lists gets bigger, I will then post here my ranking, with special attention to the top 10.
Bye
You read Portuguese? Are you Brasilian? Your web address doesn't trigger a national flag showing your location.
Misterpom
Cinemassacre's video about Carl Barks. What do you think?
Message 20 -
2012-11-06 at 05:24:43
Quote from user: Robb_KYou read Portuguese? Are you Brasilian? Your web address doesn't trigger a national flag showing your location.
Yes, I'm from Brazil. I will edit my profile and add my nationality. I didn't realize it. Thanks.
Yes, I'm from Brazil. I will edit my profile and add my nationality. I didn't realize it. Thanks.
Review Or Die
Cinemassacre's video about Carl Barks. What do you think?
Message 21 -
2012-11-06 at 05:28:15
I think the fact that it pings my web address at all is pretty creepy, and I'm not sure how to turn that off other than finding a proxy. Location-detecting web technology is invasive and pretty irritating.
I think it's not really fair to compare Barks and Gottfredson, because they weren't really trying to do the same thing. I can tell you that the Gottfredson comics are comedic adventure tales like Barks, but they're focused in a very different way. Barks was focused on the climax, and Gottfredson on momentum. In the format that they were employing, their greatest strengths were simply not a priority to the other.
What I marvel over with Gottfredson is what he had to do for each and every strip. Newspaper comics in this format have to advance the plot, tell a joke, be visually interesting, tell you what happened yesterday so that you can pick it up and start reading, and finally, leave you with a question, "What happens next, now that..." at the end. It's a wonder anyone could work in that format! And when looked at as a collected whole, you see his bent towards animation, always propelling things forward... and the laughs become so concentrated that you start reading faster and faster, wanting to see more, wanting the cliffhanger resolved, wanting to know how it ends!
It was a fantastic byproduct of the newspaper comic, which was never really meant to be collected, just read enough that they'd come back the next day and maybe tell a friend. It creates this building sense of momentum that catapults you through the stories. And so much of this comes to the art, which is just beautiful on a technical level.
But this sense of momentum wasn't something Barks was interested in, because he worked with such deliberate pacing, controlling your reading to guide you to the climax points, like the beautiful shot of Plain Awful you saw in "Lost in the Andes". He didn't need to be self contained with every four panels, so he could have gags build on each other (like the bubblegum). He worked to create tone, atmosphere, and embrace more human truths than Gottfredson did, because that's who he was as an artist.
They are two very different comic creators, but no less valid than the other, no less important, and are equal masters of their craft.
I think it's not really fair to compare Barks and Gottfredson, because they weren't really trying to do the same thing. I can tell you that the Gottfredson comics are comedic adventure tales like Barks, but they're focused in a very different way. Barks was focused on the climax, and Gottfredson on momentum. In the format that they were employing, their greatest strengths were simply not a priority to the other.
What I marvel over with Gottfredson is what he had to do for each and every strip. Newspaper comics in this format have to advance the plot, tell a joke, be visually interesting, tell you what happened yesterday so that you can pick it up and start reading, and finally, leave you with a question, "What happens next, now that..." at the end. It's a wonder anyone could work in that format! And when looked at as a collected whole, you see his bent towards animation, always propelling things forward... and the laughs become so concentrated that you start reading faster and faster, wanting to see more, wanting the cliffhanger resolved, wanting to know how it ends!
It was a fantastic byproduct of the newspaper comic, which was never really meant to be collected, just read enough that they'd come back the next day and maybe tell a friend. It creates this building sense of momentum that catapults you through the stories. And so much of this comes to the art, which is just beautiful on a technical level.
But this sense of momentum wasn't something Barks was interested in, because he worked with such deliberate pacing, controlling your reading to guide you to the climax points, like the beautiful shot of Plain Awful you saw in "Lost in the Andes". He didn't need to be self contained with every four panels, so he could have gags build on each other (like the bubblegum). He worked to create tone, atmosphere, and embrace more human truths than Gottfredson did, because that's who he was as an artist.
They are two very different comic creators, but no less valid than the other, no less important, and are equal masters of their craft.
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
Cinemassacre's video about Carl Barks. What do you think?
Message 22 -
2012-11-06 at 15:40:49
Quote from user: misterpomI'm definitely interested in Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse but I don't know exactly how those stories are. They seem to be similiar in concept to the adventures of the Ducks, right? Could you please give me an insight and show the differences between Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse and Barks' Ducks in terms of storytelling/stories? I haven't read anything by him, so I don't know what to expect. I will definitely give it a shot. I plan to buy them between the Barks releases. I will try to get the first volume in between "Christmas For Shacktown" and "The Old Castle Secret", since it will be like a 6 months gap or something.
I'm warning you here. Barks' volumes are 'best first', but Gottfredson's are chronological. So if you order Vol 1 first, you won't find the master craftmanship we love him for. I recommend that you buy Vol 3 (or 4, or 2, but not 1) first, because the stories in that volume much better.
Volume 1 is mostly Gottfredson trying to find his way. Most stories are domestic, rural slapstick. Still pretty funny.
Volume 2 has the first longer adventure stories. I'd describe most of them as above-avarage, but still missing something.
Volume 3 is awesome. This is my favorite Gottfredson period, both visually and narratively.
Volume 4 might be even better - I don't know! I haven't read it yet. I fear that Mickey becomes too serious, but again I haven't read those stories.
Anyway, just read them. You won't be disappointed. If you like Barks, you'll love Gottfredson.
I'm warning you here. Barks' volumes are 'best first', but Gottfredson's are chronological. So if you order Vol 1 first, you won't find the master craftmanship we love him for. I recommend that you buy Vol 3 (or 4, or 2, but not 1) first, because the stories in that volume much better.
Volume 1 is mostly Gottfredson trying to find his way. Most stories are domestic, rural slapstick. Still pretty funny.
Volume 2 has the first longer adventure stories. I'd describe most of them as above-avarage, but still missing something.
Volume 3 is awesome. This is my favorite Gottfredson period, both visually and narratively.
Volume 4 might be even better - I don't know! I haven't read it yet. I fear that Mickey becomes too serious, but again I haven't read those stories.
Anyway, just read them. You won't be disappointed. If you like Barks, you'll love Gottfredson.
Debbie
Cinemassacre's video about Carl Barks. What do you think?
Message 23 -
2012-11-06 at 16:44:43
The first Mickey Mouse volume is a piece of pop-culture history and even if you don't read it first, I would personally consider it a must-have book. People who think Mickey is too much of a nicey-nice character should definitely seek out volumes one and two to see the early Mickey. I think that the early Mickey Mouse strips have to be placed in the context of both the times in which they were created and the fact that they were just starting out. Mickey Mouse really didn't have much of a personality to work with from the animated cartoons, so the strip writers were pretty much creating one for him as they went along. You're reading the groundwork for the entire Disney comics industry in Vol. 1, so there are going to be missteps and ideas that get abandoned later. Vol. 1 is one of my favorite Disney books ever printed for the reasons I've pointed out here.
Misterpom
Cinemassacre's video about Carl Barks. What do you think?
Message 24 -
2012-11-06 at 18:52:10
Thank you guys for your insights. I will definitely buy one of Gottfredson's books as soon as possible. ;D
Cacou
Cinemassacre's video about Carl Barks. What do you think?
Message 25 -
2012-11-06 at 18:52:50
At the risk of starting some kind of ridiculous forum war (it's really not my intent), I think it's really unjust to talk about Rosa's "self-consciousness" or "pomposity" (apart from the fact that simple delicateness commands that you avoid using these terms, after all the man has had serious health problems from what I heard). He has been and still is very popular, and his work praised by many, if he considers his work great, he has at least some reasons to think so.
Review Or Die
Cinemassacre's video about Carl Barks. What do you think?
Message 26 -
2012-11-06 at 22:45:29
Quote from user: cacouAt the risk of starting some kind of ridiculous forum war (it's really not my intent), I think it's really unjust to talk about Rosa's "self-consciousness" or "pomposity" (apart from the fact that simple delicateness commands that you avoid using these terms, after all the man has had serious health problems from what I heard). He has been and still is very popular, and his work praised by many, if he considers his work great, he has at least some reasons to think so.
This nonsense started long before your post, so I wouldn't worry about that. But I believe he actually meant the way the work is presented, not his opinion of himself.
This nonsense started long before your post, so I wouldn't worry about that. But I believe he actually meant the way the work is presented, not his opinion of himself.
GeoX
Cinemassacre's video about Carl Barks. What do you think?
Message 27 -
2012-11-06 at 23:02:01
Returning to the Gottfredson books for a moment, I've enjoyed every volume pretty much equally (haven't gotten my hands on the fourth yet, but given that I've read every story therein except for "Jungle Treasure," I will confidently predict that this trend will continue). A lot of people seem to criticize the first volume, but that's not something I can get behind: the stories may be slightly more rough-hewn than later ones, but for me, that's part of the charm, and I find it perfectly delightful.
Gyro Gearloose
Cinemassacre's video about Carl Barks. What do you think?
Message 28 -
2012-11-06 at 23:12:57
Quote from user: Review Or DieQuote from user: cacouAt the risk of starting some kind of ridiculous forum war (it's really not my intent), I think it's really unjust to talk about Rosa's "self-consciousness" or "pomposity" (apart from the fact that simple delicateness commands that you avoid using these terms, after all the man has had serious health problems from what I heard). He has been and still is very popular, and his work praised by many, if he considers his work great, he has at least some reasons to think so.
This nonsense started long before your post, so I wouldn't worry about that. But I believe he actually meant the way the work is presented, not his opinion of himself.
Thanks, R or D. That is what I meant; Rosa's STORIES frequently come off as pompous and self-conscious, not Rosa himself.
I've got all four of the Gottfredson books, and while I agree that the first volume's stories feel kind of rough-hewn, they're still well worth getting. Even as early as "MM, Boxing Champion" and the Gypsies story, you can see Gottfredson's skill for character comedy taking shape. If you're on a limited budget and are checking out Gottfredson's work for the first time, however, I'd recommend either Volume 3 or Volume 4 as a sampling of his best (available) work (the late 1930s-early 1940s strips--the Gleam, the Land of Long Ago, Bar-None Ranch, Mystery at Hidden River, and others--actually surpass even the Volume 4 material in terms of artwork and storytelling, but they won't be out till 2014.
This nonsense started long before your post, so I wouldn't worry about that. But I believe he actually meant the way the work is presented, not his opinion of himself.
Thanks, R or D. That is what I meant; Rosa's STORIES frequently come off as pompous and self-conscious, not Rosa himself.
I've got all four of the Gottfredson books, and while I agree that the first volume's stories feel kind of rough-hewn, they're still well worth getting. Even as early as "MM, Boxing Champion" and the Gypsies story, you can see Gottfredson's skill for character comedy taking shape. If you're on a limited budget and are checking out Gottfredson's work for the first time, however, I'd recommend either Volume 3 or Volume 4 as a sampling of his best (available) work (the late 1930s-early 1940s strips--the Gleam, the Land of Long Ago, Bar-None Ranch, Mystery at Hidden River, and others--actually surpass even the Volume 4 material in terms of artwork and storytelling, but they won't be out till 2014.
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Cinemassacre's video about Carl Barks. What do you think?
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2012-11-07 at 00:47:12
Quote from user: GeoXReturning to the Gottfredson books for a moment, I've enjoyed every volume pretty much equally (haven't gotten my hands on the fourth yet, but given that I've read every story therein except for "Jungle Treasure," I will confidently predict that this trend will continue). A lot of people seem to criticize the first volume, but that's not something I can get behind: the stories may be slightly more rough-hewn than later ones, but for me, that's part of the charm, and I find it perfectly delightful.
Right there with you: I actually prefer volume one to volume two in certain ways, and this topic is forcing me to order the box set for 3+4 because you are all awful people who hate my having money. =P
Right there with you: I actually prefer volume one to volume two in certain ways, and this topic is forcing me to order the box set for 3+4 because you are all awful people who hate my having money. =P
Richie
Cinemassacre's video about Carl Barks. What do you think?
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2012-11-07 at 07:13:59
Quote from user: Review Or Dieand this topic is forcing me to order the box set for 3+4 because you are all awful people who hate my having money. =P
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