I, too, considered to make a remark about the Einkommensschere already in my first post. I had absolutely no doubt from the very first moment I read it that those "scissors" (by the way) were completely a Syllwasschy additive, not yet to find in the original text. :P
Doesn't disturb me really, though. One is used to it anyway that in the German translation Scrooge is sometimes softened down a bit from the reckless and unscrupulous capitalist who would sell his own grandmother to the well-meaning, compassionate enterpriser-patriarch. The stirring attempt to preserve the salvation of the sometimes a bit too nasty Scrooge through baptising him with a few drops of Rhine water so to speak ...
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Topic: "The duck who came for dinner" by Barks, Lustig and Jippes
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Coolwater
"The duck who came for dinner" by Barks, Lustig and Jippes
Message 16 -
2012-05-11 at 15:54:26
Gerd Syllwasschy
"The duck who came for dinner" by Barks, Lustig and Jippes
Message 17 -
2012-05-11 at 16:33:10
Hello Charlie Brown,
I did the German translation for this story. The text you are quoting was neither suggested nor changed by the editors. No "agenda" on Egmont's or Ehapa's part going on.
It is true that the translation is not too literal. It was my objective to match the traditional tone first established by Erika Fuchs. This includes picking up (and, possibly, making fun of) current speech patterns and/or rhetorical quirks.
As for the "Einkommensschere", this is a catchphrase which has been going through German media for quite a while now. Hearing a tycoon like Scrooge lecture about it adds an ironic twist to it, in my opinion.
No harm done to innocent young readers, I believe. But I'm open to discussion.
I did the German translation for this story. The text you are quoting was neither suggested nor changed by the editors. No "agenda" on Egmont's or Ehapa's part going on.
It is true that the translation is not too literal. It was my objective to match the traditional tone first established by Erika Fuchs. This includes picking up (and, possibly, making fun of) current speech patterns and/or rhetorical quirks.
As for the "Einkommensschere", this is a catchphrase which has been going through German media for quite a while now. Hearing a tycoon like Scrooge lecture about it adds an ironic twist to it, in my opinion.
No harm done to innocent young readers, I believe. But I'm open to discussion.
GeoX
"The duck who came for dinner" by Barks, Lustig and Jippes
Message 18 -
2012-05-11 at 17:16:52
Ya know, if a pinko like me can be a fan of Scrooge, a plutocrat whom I would find totally repulsive in real life, I feel like other people should maybe be able to suck it up when it comes to the supposed left-wing indoctrination inherent in one throwaway line in one story. I mean, talk about missing the forest for the trees...
Charlie Brown
"The duck who came for dinner" by Barks, Lustig and Jippes
Message 19 -
2012-05-11 at 18:44:48
Quote from user: Gerd SyllwasschyAs for the "Einkommensschere", this is a catchphrase which has been going through German media for quite a while now. Hearing a tycoon like Scrooge lecture about it adds an ironic twist to it, in my opinion..
Dear Gerd Syllwasschy, good to know that it was meant as a ironic hit on the catchphrase. It's kind of hard getting the ironic touch in the first place. Especially for someone like me, who is getting really tired of all the anti capitalism going on in German media. Thanks for your respond.
Quote from user: GeoXI feel like other people should maybe be able to suck it up when it comes to the supposed left-wing indoctrination inherent in one throwaway line in one story.
You get kind of allergic to this left wing politics hiding in every tv report, newspaper article and sometimes even comic books if you live in Germany these days. I'm sorry for wrongly seeing this coming to my beloved Disney comics as well.
Dear Gerd Syllwasschy, good to know that it was meant as a ironic hit on the catchphrase. It's kind of hard getting the ironic touch in the first place. Especially for someone like me, who is getting really tired of all the anti capitalism going on in German media. Thanks for your respond.
Quote from user: GeoXI feel like other people should maybe be able to suck it up when it comes to the supposed left-wing indoctrination inherent in one throwaway line in one story.
You get kind of allergic to this left wing politics hiding in every tv report, newspaper article and sometimes even comic books if you live in Germany these days. I'm sorry for wrongly seeing this coming to my beloved Disney comics as well.
GeoX
"The duck who came for dinner" by Barks, Lustig and Jippes
Message 20 -
2012-05-11 at 19:23:26
[Comment redacted because I don't REALLY want to get into a fight--but you must admit, the phrase "income gap" in the thing you quoted is pretty obviously ironic.]
Lars Jensen
"The duck who came for dinner" by Barks, Lustig and Jippes
Message 21 -
2012-05-11 at 19:39:20
Quote from user: Charlie BrownWhy does the German translation leave the story
That's not new. There's a decades-old tradition of translators "rewriting" Disney comics, rather than simply translating them. IIRC, the legendary German translator Erika Fuchs did it all the time. (So did the equally-legendary Danish translator Sonja Rindom.)
Quote from user: Charlie BrownIt just seems that the German editors think they have the duty to educate the children with anti capitalistic statements. This is the third hidden left-wing education in the last four German Disney comics I bought. Is there some kind of agenda going on?
Short answer: no.
Long answer: the comics industry, including the Disney comics industry, contains people with political opinions spanning from the far left to the far right. In pretty much all cases, it's impossible to tell who the Disney writer/artist/editor/colourist/translator/publisher is voting for just by looking at their comics. Why? Because what matters is to have the characters be in-character, and most people in the industry understand that. That's why a (presumably) right-winger like Scrooge always talks and acts like a right-winger, even when the writer is a socialist. Also: if ever an unprofessional left-wing writer or translator did have Scrooge shout "Tear down Wall Street" for no particular reason, there would be a right-wing (or simply more professionel) person elsewhere in the system who would catch that remark and have it changed. That said, I've never heard of a single left-winger who tried to hide "left-wing education" in a Disney comic. So the long answer is no, as well.
Also, the Duck universe is soaked in conservatism. A throw-away remark about narrowing the income gap doesn't change that.
That's not new. There's a decades-old tradition of translators "rewriting" Disney comics, rather than simply translating them. IIRC, the legendary German translator Erika Fuchs did it all the time. (So did the equally-legendary Danish translator Sonja Rindom.)
Quote from user: Charlie BrownIt just seems that the German editors think they have the duty to educate the children with anti capitalistic statements. This is the third hidden left-wing education in the last four German Disney comics I bought. Is there some kind of agenda going on?
Short answer: no.
Long answer: the comics industry, including the Disney comics industry, contains people with political opinions spanning from the far left to the far right. In pretty much all cases, it's impossible to tell who the Disney writer/artist/editor/colourist/translator/publisher is voting for just by looking at their comics. Why? Because what matters is to have the characters be in-character, and most people in the industry understand that. That's why a (presumably) right-winger like Scrooge always talks and acts like a right-winger, even when the writer is a socialist. Also: if ever an unprofessional left-wing writer or translator did have Scrooge shout "Tear down Wall Street" for no particular reason, there would be a right-wing (or simply more professionel) person elsewhere in the system who would catch that remark and have it changed. That said, I've never heard of a single left-winger who tried to hide "left-wing education" in a Disney comic. So the long answer is no, as well.
Also, the Duck universe is soaked in conservatism. A throw-away remark about narrowing the income gap doesn't change that.
Coolwater
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Message 22 -
2012-05-11 at 20:09:38
[quote=GeoX]
If one fully considers Scrooge's income on the one hand and that what we know about Donald's usual income on the other hand, Syllwasschy really attached a good laughter spark-off with letting the old tightwad "worry" that the gap between the two could become to big. No problem with more of that sort of stuff. :P
If one fully considers Scrooge's income on the one hand and that what we know about Donald's usual income on the other hand, Syllwasschy really attached a good laughter spark-off with letting the old tightwad "worry" that the gap between the two could become to big. No problem with more of that sort of stuff. :P
Coolwater
"The duck who came for dinner" by Barks, Lustig and Jippes
Message 23 -
2012-05-18 at 16:30:52
New issue of Micky Maus shows up with another new six-page Barks-Jippes (Inducks). The story is not as spectacular as "The duck who came for dinner", more one long, stretched out gag--but still: Barks and Jippes. Does anybody know what's the thing with that story? Inducks gives no more information for the storycode.
Gerd Syllwasschy
"The duck who came for dinner" by Barks, Lustig and Jippes
Message 24 -
2012-05-18 at 16:52:32
I suppose the last page is that gag idea Joakim mentioned in #13. Not sure how much Barks is in the preceding five pages, if any ...
Coolwater
"The duck who came for dinner" by Barks, Lustig and Jippes
Message 25 -
2012-05-18 at 19:16:12
Thanks very much, that's helpful info. Hm, in Micky Maus they write: "Story: Carl Barks, Artwork: Daan Jippes". Now if your suspicion is right and the Barks ingredient really is just one good shot while the cocktail is stirred with non-Barksian essence in large part, such credits-giving is a bit misleading, to say the least.
Gerd Syllwasschy
"The duck who came for dinner" by Barks, Lustig and Jippes
Message 26 -
2012-05-18 at 20:03:09
I think Ehapa goofed the credits up. In Anders And 20 the storywriting seems to be attributed to both Barks and Jippes.
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