For years, I've wished Daan Jippes had drawn over Barks' three pages of blueline sketches for "The Pied Piper of Duckburg", and drawn his own version of what he would thing Barks would have drawn for the remainder of the story, rather than see what Don Rosa had done with that story. In my opinion, Rosa put his own style on Barks' first three pages (as no one would argue). But Rosa's very different staging style in the last five pages (and very different writing style-I might add), make the story appear to have been written by and drawn by two different artists. That "break" after Page three, ruins reading the story for me.
I feel that Daan Jippes could have drawn those three pages in Barks' style (as proven in his using Barks' blueline sketches of his Junior Woodchuck stories to "re-create" them). In addition, Jippes own staging is a lot closer to Barks' than is Rosa's, and he also could have continued the same drawing style in the "new" five pages, that he would have used in the three Barks pages, resulting in a homogeneous rather than divided story.
I've always wondered what the story would look like if it had been drawn by someone who would stick to Barks' lines and intentions. So, I penciled those three pages and inked them, just to get a rough idea of what they would look like.
Here are the pages, which I drew in half-page segments (as I do all stories that I do final pencils and/or inking on - (none for Disney yet!):
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j56/Robb_K/PiedPiperA.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j56/Robb_K/PiedPiperBB.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j56/Robb_K/PiedPiperCC.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j56/Robb_K/PiedPiperD.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j56/Robb_K/PiedPiperE.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j56/Robb_K/PiedPiperF.jpg
I think it would have been better for Barks fans if Tony Strobl had just stuck to Barks' lines on his Junior Woodchucks storyboards, as I did on these (photocopies of sketches) from Barks (and as Daan Jippes did years later). Then, we would have had a much better idea of what Barks intended.
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Topic: Rosa's finishing Barks' "Pied Piper of Duckburg"
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Robb_K
Rosa's finishing Barks' "Pied Piper of Duckburg"
Message 1 -
2007-03-25 at 02:17:29
JAlbertsen
Rosa's finishing Barks' "Pied Piper of Duckburg"
Message 2 -
2007-03-25 at 08:21:58
I've never falt that Rosa did much harm to the 3 Barks pages, and making a side by side comparison with your inked version didn't change that impression. Sure there is som added sweat and a bit with the facial expressions, but the composistions and most of the poses seems to be identical.
Rosa did however totally ruin the "Barks feeling" on the pages he wrote on his own (honestly I'm not sure he even tried to keep them in style), and as you I would love to see others give it a try.
Rosa did however totally ruin the "Barks feeling" on the pages he wrote on his own (honestly I'm not sure he even tried to keep them in style), and as you I would love to see others give it a try.
Harukuro
Rosa's finishing Barks' "Pied Piper of Duckburg"
Message 3 -
2007-03-25 at 13:29:51
Well I didn't really mind Don Rosa doing this story. He may have done it in his own style than Bark's style but atleast the first pages are (basically) the same. Plus he fixed the mistake in how Gyro addresses Scrooge (in the version Robb_K posted up Gyro calls him "Uncle Scrooge McDuck" which makes not sense since they aren't closely related.) So Don made Gyro call him "Mr.McDuck" which makes a lot more sense. But that's just my two cents nothing more. :)
Robb_K
Rosa's finishing Barks' "Pied Piper of Duckburg"
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2007-03-25 at 15:34:21
Quote from user: HarukuroWell I didn't really mind Don Rosa doing this story. He may have done it in his own style than Bark's style but atleast the first pages are (basically) the same. Plus he fixed the mistake in how Gyro addresses Scrooge (in the version Robb_K posted up Gyro calls him "Uncle Scrooge McDuck" which makes not sense since they aren't closely related.) So Don made Gyro call him "Mr.McDuck" which makes a lot more sense. But that's just my two cents nothing more. :)
Yes, I agree that Barks made a mistake in Gyro addressing Uncle Scrooge. Don Rosa's correction is better. I didn't correct it, as I wanted the lettering to remain consistant in Barks' hand. I wanted the readers to see what Barks wrote.
Yes, I agree that Barks made a mistake in Gyro addressing Uncle Scrooge. Don Rosa's correction is better. I didn't correct it, as I wanted the lettering to remain consistant in Barks' hand. I wanted the readers to see what Barks wrote.
Olivier
Rosa's finishing Barks' "Pied Piper of Duckburg"
Message 5 -
2007-03-25 at 15:56:38
This is the sort of discussion that vindicates the use of a forum, as I find it much easier to go back and forth between text & images, and include an image right within the text.
Thanks for those pages too, Rob! :)
Thanks for those pages too, Rob! :)
Barko
Rosa's finishing Barks' "Pied Piper of Duckburg"
Message 6 -
2007-03-30 at 03:34:11
I prefer Rob´s version because he has kept Barks´balloons and text lines. Rosa has changed the shape of the balloons and also the number of words on each text line, at least in some places.
As everybody else, I too would like to see Jippes do a version of this story.
Thanks Rob, for posting your version of the first three pages. It has been interesting to compare them to Rosa´s.
As everybody else, I too would like to see Jippes do a version of this story.
Thanks Rob, for posting your version of the first three pages. It has been interesting to compare them to Rosa´s.
Cacou
Rosa's finishing Barks' "Pied Piper of Duckburg"
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2007-04-09 at 16:38:06
Robb_K, by the way, do not hesitate to use the "upload tool" function on this website, then the image goes to the same server than the one hosting this forum. I am in control of it, so they can't really be lost like for other image upload sites (I don't know if there are good images uploading sites where you can be certain your images will last).
Morequack
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Message 8 -
2007-04-09 at 17:58:59
Hmmm, the Barks-pencils-to-Rosa-inks tranlation does not bother me. In fact, I think Rosa did a remarkable job transitioning. In his typical style he has added details like lines of dark shading (frames 2-3, pg. 3) that in this case I feel enhance the drawing and give the scenes dimension and drama and thus a sense of realism. I also prefer Rosa's balloons and the weight of his lines, although it's an untrue comparison because the Rosa version that I'm looking at has the color added. I also like what Rosa does with eyes (frame 4, pg. 3) when they're viewed from a distance, enhancing the sense of distance or depth. Not Barks-like but Rosa is the one to finish the story, so I don't see why it would be:
http://disneycomics.free.fr/Ducks/Rosa/piper/03.html
http://disneycomics.free.fr/Ducks/Rosa/piper/03.html
Jano
Rosa's finishing Barks' "Pied Piper of Duckburg"
Message 9 -
2007-07-06 at 22:43:42
I'm not sure if I'm supposed to reveal this, but there *is* a new version of "The Pied Piper" by Daan Jippes. Today, I got the pdf file for translating it into German.
I don't know the exact date, but it will probably be published in the Egmont countries in about three or four months.
This version was most likely done for being used in the "Carl Barks Collection" (as was the case with the "lettuce" story)...
I don't know the exact date, but it will probably be published in the Egmont countries in about three or four months.
This version was most likely done for being used in the "Carl Barks Collection" (as was the case with the "lettuce" story)...
Barko
Rosa's finishing Barks' "Pied Piper of Duckburg"
Message 10 -
2007-07-07 at 01:25:54
That´s great news! Jippes is probably the best at copying Barks´style...
Robb_K
Rosa's finishing Barks' "Pied Piper of Duckburg"
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2007-07-09 at 10:10:28
Great news! Daan is the best at following Barks' lines. It will be interesting to compare Jippes' lines to my version (sticking as much to Barks' style as I could. Jippes will add his own style with his own inks, as that's the only way to keep the lines fluid, and keep the dynamism. my "inking" would NOT have been acceptable to a Disney Comics art editor.
It will also be interesting to see what jippes does with the pages not drawn by Barks. Will he draw new ones based on Barks' comments, or will he redraw Rosa's additions to the story?
"Today, I got the pdf file for translating it into German."
Nu Ich bin Deutscher! Ich kan das lesen!
It will also be interesting to see what jippes does with the pages not drawn by Barks. Will he draw new ones based on Barks' comments, or will he redraw Rosa's additions to the story?
"Today, I got the pdf file for translating it into German."
Nu Ich bin Deutscher! Ich kan das lesen!
Jano
Rosa's finishing Barks' "Pied Piper of Duckburg"
Message 12 -
2007-07-09 at 15:11:03
The story is quite different (and one page longer). It includes Gyro losing the cheese and trying to get it back by using a mini helicopter.
Gyro Gearloose
Rosa's finishing Barks' "Pied Piper of Duckburg"
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2007-07-10 at 14:36:27
I also think Rosa was wrong in trying to graft his preoccupation with Duckburg geography onto the story--note that in the Barks original, the building that Scrooge takes Gyro into is his "Money Bin," while Rosa has altered it to an office building and changed "Money Bin" to "overflow bin" in the script. Barks put Scrooge's Bin in downtown Duckburg in several Gyro stories (including "Cave of the Winds") and Rosa, who insists that the Bin can ONLY be shown on Killmotor Hill, has frequently complained about that (dismissing the Gyro stories as apochryphal for this reason at least once). I don't think he should have tried to tinker with Barks for such a niggling reason.
Incidentally, Robb's pencils look very good! Now, if we only had a script that would tell us how Barks planned the subsequent five pages...
Incidentally, Robb's pencils look very good! Now, if we only had a script that would tell us how Barks planned the subsequent five pages...
Jano
Rosa's finishing Barks' "Pied Piper of Duckburg"
Message 14 -
2007-07-10 at 14:52:43
For his version, Jippes has changed even more in the original three pages. E.g. it's not the "overflow bin" anymore but the "real" money bin. However, it's not in the city but on the hill. Consequently, the whole angle of panels 2, 3 and 4 had to be changed as well as the panel on page 3 where Scrooge looks out of his window...
Morequack
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2007-07-11 at 06:19:35
Quote from user: Gyro GearlooseI also think Rosa was wrong in trying to graft his preoccupation with Duckburg geography onto the story--note that in the Barks original, the building that Scrooge takes Gyro into is his "Money Bin," while Rosa has altered it to an office building and changed "Money Bin" to "overflow bin" in the script. Barks put Scrooge's Bin in downtown Duckburg in several Gyro stories (including "Cave of the Winds") and Rosa, who insists that the Bin can ONLY be shown on Killmotor Hill, has frequently complained about that (dismissing the Gyro stories as apochryphal for this reason at least once). I don't think he should have tried to tinker with Barks for such a niggling reason.
I still like Rosa's "tinkering" very much. In general, his adherence to structure and consistency is commendable. He makes the ducks more serious beings and thus more realistic seeming. And he ties loose ends together to make a more complete, multi-dimensional universe. This helps make the duck-world more believable. I simply think that's exciting because we would probably all like to pretend we could step through a mirror into that landscape in which Rosa makes seem more possible.
I still like Rosa's "tinkering" very much. In general, his adherence to structure and consistency is commendable. He makes the ducks more serious beings and thus more realistic seeming. And he ties loose ends together to make a more complete, multi-dimensional universe. This helps make the duck-world more believable. I simply think that's exciting because we would probably all like to pretend we could step through a mirror into that landscape in which Rosa makes seem more possible.
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