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Sim
In the WDC&S for Goofy's birthday, in which we can read fantastic articles by D. Gerstein in which he tells us about the many names of Goofy; it's published a story by Romano Scarpa "The Great Gawrsh-Durn Champion", in which, in two panel, Goofy is called "Goofus D. Dawg", where the "D." is may for "Dippy"...
My question to Mr. Gerstein is this: Why have you chosen to call him so?
Ramapith
This version of Goofy's full name originated at Egmont??I first became aware of it in Pat McGreal's stories, though I'm not sure if he created it (I'll ask him).
We liked "Goofus D. Dawg" at Gemstone, so we used it several times. Most obviously in our two Blotman specials: an important difference between "our" Goofy, and the Goofy of Blotman's parallel universe, was that Blotman's Goofy insisted on going by his full name all the time.
Ramapith
Getting back to this...Quote:article by D. Gerstein in which he tells us about the many names of Goofy
...I should correct a quick error.

In the article I say that "Gideon El Goofola" was a name for Goofy created by Bill Walsh and Manuel Gonzales. This is incorrect. It should actually be Merrill De Maris and Manuel Gonzales, as the strip it comes from is this one.

I guess it wouldn't be a Goofy article without a... goof!
Sim
Quote from user: ramapithGetting back to this...Quote:article by D. Gerstein in which he tells us about the many names of Goofy
...I should correct a quick error.

In the article I say that "Gideon El Goofola" was a name for Goofy created by Bill Walsh and Manuel Gonzales. This is incorrect. It should actually be Merrill De Maris and Manuel Gonzales, as the strip it comes from is this one.

I guess it wouldn't be a Goofy article without a... goof!

Thank you!
I've always searched on INDUCKS that story, but I've never found it...
Gyro Gearloose
If any Goofy name is to be "officialized," I'd prefer it to be "A. Goof," since that's the one Gottfredson used himself in "The Gleam." I found the idea of "Goofy" being a nickname derived from his last name rather than his first unexpected but clever--much like a man named Smith being called "Smitty" by his friends, or a man named Jones being known as "Jonesy."
Stephan Petrucha (I think) has used "Goof" as Goofy's last name once in one of his stories published in the US, the one with the egomaniac painter and his magic paint-pot. The painter at one point refers to Horace, Clarabelle, and Goofy as "Mr. Horsecollar, Miss Cow, and Mr. Goof." I didn't like that story much overall, but I did enjoy that (perhaps accidental) Gottfredson reference.
Robb_K
Gottfredson's "A. Goof" makes Goofy's first name start with an "A". What might it be? Alfred, Albert, Alan, Arthur, Abraham, Alexander, Artemus, Aaron, Aldus, Andrew, Axel, Adonis, Adelbert, Aiden, Ari, Adrian?
Did he change his name from Dippy Dog (Dawg) to avoid creditors? Or might he only be Dippy's cousin? Perhaps he murdered Dippy and took his place, and Mickey didn't even notice? Maybe he called his new sidekick a new name (not knowing he was a different being, but thinking he was the same "goofy character", and was only trying to humour him, by acquiescing him, in calling him by the "desired" new name?
Sim
In my opinion, Goofy's name is that chosen by Gilles Maurice, George G. Goofey, where the "G." is for "Goofy"...
This would make Goofy a nick and a second name...
We can find surname Goofey in the first movie starred by Goofy and his son and the name "George G." is from 1950s cartoons, in which he was called George G. Geef...
Gyro Gearloose
Myself, I've always thought of Goofy and Dippy as cousins, like Gomer and Goober Pyle on the Andy Griffith Show--similar, but not identical. You could make a good case for Dipppy and Goofy being separate characters--their speech patterns are different, and Dippy is much more cocky and smart-alecky than the dreamy Goofy (see particularly Bobo the Elephant). I sometimes wonder how editors would react to a story that featured a return of Dippy and paired him up with Goofy--I think a real Gottfredson buff could, if he wrote such a story, be able to show enough difference between Goofy and Dippy to make their interaction (and their interaction with Mickey) enjoyable.
Roger North
I actually think that Goofy and Dippy are the same character with Dippy being his real name and Goofy being his nickname but he goes by his nickname all the time now. I'm pretty sure that Dippy is his real name. I thought Goofy's last name being Goof was originally used on Goof Troop. I guess I was wrong about that. I think Goofus D Dawg was introduced in The Blotman stories which gives me the illusion that Dippy is Goofy's middle name and Goofus is his first name. Up until then I thought his real name was George Geef. I guess it's open to different kinds of interpretations. It depends on who is writing the story. I actually have that story that Gyro was reffering to. It's called Picture This and it was printed in Walt Disney's Comics and Stories #642 which is the first Gemstone issue that I have.
Sim
I prefer Gyro's idea...
They can be cousin, but ALL Disney/Egmont author think they are the same person...
Ramapith
Quote from user: Roger NorthI guess [Goofy's full name is] open to different kinds of interpretations. It depends on who is writing the story.
I agree.

I like "Goofus D. Dawg" myself, but I have no problem with "A. Goof," and I've edited stories that reflect both. Goofy has had enough different "full names" over time that the inconsistency almost adds to his goofy personality. (-:

Admittedly, I really don't care for the idea of Goofy and Dippy being separate characters. It raises frankly unanswerable, awkward questions about how and why one took the other's place. And there's also this:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_HDLEycm-LIE/Rjarj1fKSII/AAAAAAAABIQ/jiKqM0CQQis/s400/scan0086.jpg

This panel is from the Jan 5, 1936 Sunday strip, and represents a unique Gottfredson "intermediate" between the Dippy and Goofy designs. The wide eyes, vest-but-no-shirt upper body, and use of the expression "f'gosh sakes" (spelled as such; dialect not as thick) are all traditional Dippy. The chin, trousers and shoes all come from the later Goofy model. And the character is not referred to by name??though, admittedly, neither was Dippy the last time Gottfredson drew him as such (Dec 23, 1935).

When Floyd drew Goofy next (Jan 23), all visual vestiges of Dippy were gone and the name Goofy was in place??but plenty of what we might call "Dippy behavior" remained through mid-1936. In "Oscar the Ostrich," for example, Goofy is still quite a smart-aleck. Once Oscar refuses to make friends, Goofy never forgets it; Goofy is even cocky enough to actively compete with Mickey in the race, using a tricked-out racing wagon to physically clobber Mickey, Oscar, and other contestants. Goofy's dialect evolves over the story, too; it's not as thick for the first few days.

In essence, Gottfredson saw the character getting a drastic redesign on screen and tried to catch up as best he could. But it was one character evolving??not one replacing another.
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
I always thought Goofy's name was Goofy Goof, with his son called Max Goof. Now we're busy, how does Max fit into the whole Goofy/Dippy thing?
Dippy gets introduced as "that pest, Dippy Dog" with his juice harp. Goofy is definately a friend of Mickey. They're different. But let's not forget that they both originated as an elderly, bearded, rude and glassed theater-goer in Mickey's Revue. That one look smore like Dippy than Goofy, but that's probably because Dippy's earlier in the line.
Sim
When I think about Goofy and Dippy are different characters think about that image from David...
I've always thought that bearded Dippy was Goofy's grandpa, actually, he hadn't a name...
Sometimes, Goofy is called Goofy Goof, but I prefer to think Goofy is a second name or, at least, a nick...
Ramapith
I strongly suspect the name "Goofy Goof" is fanon??i. e. fan-created, and popularized on the Internet when there's actually no official source for it.

Wikipedia states that it derives from "...some 1990s sources, including the Goof Troop television show and A Goofy Movie." Can anyone actually find it there?
Characters who refer to Goofy as both "Goofy" (which could be a nickname) and "Mr. Goof" don't count. I'm interested in an example where we either hear or see the full name "Goofy Goof," given exactly like that.

I'm quite willing to allow that I may have overlooked or forgotten some examples.

Quote:I've always thought that bearded Dippy was Goofy's grandpa, actually, he hadn't a name...
I have some 1932 Disney press releases from the time of MICKEY'S REVUE. They show Dippy with the beard and glasses and name him as Dippy, so he was definitely called that from the start.

A House of Mouse episode did use the bearded Dippy design as a separate character, though??I believe he was either Goofy's grandpa or his uncle, though I can't find the episode now and don't want to say for sure.
Sim
Quote from user: ramapithI strongly suspect the name "Goofy Goof" is fanon??i. e. fan-created, and popularized on the Internet when there's actually no official source for it.

Wikipedia states that it derives from "...some 1990s sources, including the Goof Troop television show and A Goofy Movie." Can anyone actually find it there?
Characters who refer to Goofy as both "Goofy" (which could be a nickname) and "Mr. Goof" don't count. I'm interested in an example where we either hear or see the full name "Goofy Goof," given exactly like that.

I'm quite willing to allow that I may have overlooked or forgotten some examples.

Quote:I've always thought that bearded Dippy was Goofy's grandpa, actually, he hadn't a name...
I have some 1932 Disney press releases from the time of MICKEY'S REVUE. They show Dippy with the beard and glasses and name him as Dippy, so he was definitely called that from the start.

A House of Mouse episode did use the bearded Dippy design as a separate character, though??I believe he was either Goofy's grandpa or his uncle, though I can't find the episode now and don't want to say for sure.

I think the episode is that in which Max takes the job of his father, but I'm not sure...

I've always read the name "Goofy Goof" on wikipedia, in the pilot episode of "Goof Troop", Goofy is called "G. G. Goof"...
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