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I've just read that :

In French : http://www.20min.ch/ro/news/insolite/story/16079793
In German : http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/2010/08/20/hitler-in-donald-duck/zeichner-schmuggelte-ihn-in-comic.html
In Spanish : http://www.rosario3.com/noticias/mundo/noticias.aspx?idNot=76476

Is it about this story by Pasquale Venanzio ? http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=D+2004-335

I don't like using Hitler as a comic character (even to mock him). Nethertheless, I don't like either the press putting everything in a mess and make the average reader think that ther is a tradition in Disney Comics to use this sad historic character.

Newspapers make it sensational ! They mention "Mein Kampf" is in a Barks' story but they forgot to tell that it is to mock this ideology. That's the same with "Der Fuehrer's Face" a propragandist cartoon against Nazis.

In the french article, they mix a comment about Carl Barks comics with an image of "Der Fuehrer's Face". That's nonsense.

Pmspg

I also don't think Hitler should be used in a Disney story. The media, however, always react hysterical with respect to that. After all, the appearance of Hitler in that story shows itself as quite an insignificance; one virtually has to look for him with the loupe. As I got the news, one reader "discovered" him now some years after the story had been released!

Quote from user: PmspgNewspapers make it sensational !
That's their business. And it's summer slump. Hitler and Nessie use to have their season then.

There is a Mickey Mouse comic book parody of "Casablanca" from 1987 made by Giorgio Cavazzano (Inducks). Pete shows up as an uniformed NS officer there, however, he is not tagged with clear German WW2 icons, as one can see in the scans below, eagle and swastika are mitigated or alienated through stylization.

In the German publication of that story, there is no reference at all to Germany, but Pete is an officer from "Zirkonia"--as one can see from the text in the scan below, this at least seems also to be the case in the Italian original ("Zirconia"). All real geographical names are alienated in the German version: "Umerika" (instead of Amerika), "Utluntik" (Atlantik), "Piras" (Paris), "Meirsalle" (Marseille), "Morakko" (Marokko), "Lossiban" (Lissabon) and so on.

If this all is done already in the Italian original to the same extent, the "alienation" is one that wants to be just playful and that hardly aims at leading the reader seriously away from the parody's real-world points of reference, but that rather wants to push him directly towards them. Also, despite of the geographical nonsense names, the map on the second page shows the real western Mediterranean area.

The original Italian title is at least "Casablanca". In the German publication it is really presented as: "Cusubluncu".

http://outducks.org/webusers/webusers/2006/05/it_tl_1657a_001.jpg

http://outducks.org/webusers/webusers/2006/05/it_tl_1657b_001.jpg

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~fms27/disney/cavazzano/casablanca.jpg

Quote from user: Robb_KI seem to remember Hitler in a Walt Kelly "Gremlins" story in WDC & S from the early 1940s.
That would be a natural place to se Hitler, wouldn't it?! But in this case, Rob, you misremember. No Hitler in Walt Kelly's Gremlins.

Quote from user: Robb_KQuote from user: timoroWar time Mickey by Gottfredson.

http://www.kvaak.fi/keskustelu/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4654.0;attach=17435;image
Timo, we can't see the strip page you intend us to see, unless we are members of Kvaak.fi.

Can you post a scan?
How can I attach images to the posts?
I can see, that instead of img-tag I have for some odd reason used url-tags around the image-link.
Does this work better: -----
EDIT: no it doesn't work. For some reason img-tags are automagically (heh) changed into url-tags. Huh?
Everyone can read and write to Kvaak. No need to be a member.

Timo

Can you then tell me what words to click on on the Kvaak Home Page to find what you are sending us?
All I see is the image of a duck, and a lot of writing. The link doesn't take me to the image. I get the Register menu. It tells me to register. I don't understand Suomi. I'm not sure I could register successfully. Even if I managed to do that by trial and error, I doubt that I'd be able to find the panels you are showing, unless I would painfully spend hours looking at everything on the site.

Quote from user: timoroDirect link to my message containing images:
http://www.kvaak.fi/keskustelu/index.php/topic,12926.msg311176.html#msg311176

Click them and they'll get bigger.

Timo
Thanks. I saw them. They are what I was referring to in the Mickey Mouse strip. Although, I believe there are a few more.

Notice that The Americans didn't have any German-speakers on staff to check their poor idea of German spelling: "Berchtesgaden". Even many Americans know that mountain or hill is "berg" in the Germanic languages. Unfortunately there is no single alphabetic symbol for that gutteral sound. This is why we need to have a universal alphabet with a letter for each distinct sound made in the various "important" World languages (all those with more than 500,000 speakers).

Wo-ho, the pronunciation Wikipedia gives is not correct, however. It must be [bÉ?? çtÉ?sË??a? dÉ?n], not [bÉ?? çtÉ?zË??a? dÉ?n], as they tell. The s is pronounced [s] (unvoiced s). No chance for a [z] (voiced s) in that position, not in standard pronunciation, but also not in colloquial or dialectal speech, definitely not.

Quote from user: Robb_KI always thought Berch (Berg) for mountain and gaden for gate(s)-came from "Gate to the mountains)-as it is in the Bavarian Alps (the start of the Alps range). It could be thought of as the entrance point (in that general area, to the mountains.
A German who doesn't know anything about the etymology of the place's name maybe would also connect it with Berg, "mountain", and interpret the "ch" as being just some archaic or dialectal variant.

I have a book about geographical place names in Germany, however, where the old German personal name Per[c]htger is given as explanation. And Old High German gadum, gadem was the word for a fenced housed, according to that book. Likely, the name referred thus to the house of the first settler. The article on the town in the German Wikipedia also points to the eventuality of a connection of the name with the Germanic goddess Perchta.