[Updated with H-code comics!]
This topic is going to be very subjective but I hope with your help it will become much more objective, so I am looking forward to the replies!
Because I have a lot of time on my hands this week I decided to make a list that I have wanted to make for a long time: a comprehensive list of the greatest (and potentially great) long 4-tier Disney comics since 1990.
What is the point of making such a list? Well, I believe long, adventure comics with the Ducks and the Mice are a very important part of the Disney Comic legacy, without them the Ducks and Mickey would not be as popular as they are now (at least in Europe). I also think it is crucial for the publishers to print new adventure comics in the vein of the adventure comics by Barks, Gottfredson and Murry to keep the tradition of classic Disney comics alive. I wanted to make such a list is to make it easier to find great, new long comics with these beloved characters: it is not always worth to buy a back issue for a 10-pager or a short gag story but that is not the case with these long adventures.
It all started with a COA search with the following parameters: pages (strictly) more than 15, rows per page: 4, date of first publication after 1989.
Why only 4-tier comics? I know that the Italians produce a lot of great 3-tier comics, but as good as they are, they are not really in the vein of the classic Disney comics. (I always felt that the Italian Disney comics take place in a separate universe.) An other reason for omitting 3-tier comics is that I do not have a proper knowledge of them. I would be very happy, if any member of this forum, who is a 3-tier Disney Comics expert made a separate topic similar to this about them.
Why 16 pages or more? It is hard to define what is a long Disney comic and it is even harder to define what is an adventure Disney comic. 4-tier comics made for Egmont with 16 pages or more are usually published in at least 2 parts in the weeklies as adventure comics, that is why I choose 16 pages as a barrier. (I am aware that this method is flawed.)
Why only comics published since 1990? At first I was thinking about making a list of comics published after the retirement of Barks but than I decided 1990 was a better starting point, since it is really the start of a new golden age after the dark 70s and 80s. Of course one can find lots of great long Disney comics from that period as well, like adventure comics from the very underrated Jan Gulbransson and the also underrated (and a personal favorite) Ben Verhagen. Branca and Rota also made some noteworthy long comics with the Ducks. However, the end of the 80s and the beginning of the 90s was a real turning point for long Disney comics with the release of the first Duck comics by Rosa and Van Horn.
After I pressed the search button on COA I had 703 results. (So if COA is correct, 703 4-tier Disney comics with at least 16 pages were published since the beginning of 1990 until this day.) I looked at all of the results one by one and started to eliminate the ones that I felt had no place on the list that I was making.
What did I eliminate? (I have not read all the 703 comics so sometimes I excluded comics based on my previous knowledge of their writers or artists or by simply looking at the COA informations and the sample page.)
Excluded are all comics drawn be following Spanish artists (in alphabetical order): José Miguel Tortajada Aguilar, Maximino Tortajada Aguilar, José Cardona Blasi, Marçal Abella Bresco (Marsal), Ignasi Calvet Estéban, José Colomer Fonts, Tino Santanach Hernandez, José Maria Millet Lopez, José Maria Manrique, Miguel Fernandez Martinez, Xavier Vives Mateu, Francisco Rodriguez Peinado, Cèsar Ferioli Pelaez, Daniel Pérez, Juan Torres Perez, Jorge David Redo, Angel Rodriguez, Ferran Rodriguez, Joaquín Cañizares Sanchez. Explanation: the art of these comics drawn by Spanish artist mostly working in studios (like Comicup) are very mediocre (as the Germans say: 8/15) and the scripts are also usually average at best. The comics drawn by them are mostly exactly 16 pages long with a cliffhanger at the and of page 8: they were mostly made for the sole reason to have 2-parter comics in European weeklies. (I made one exception with a Cèsar Ferioli Pelaez comic - but more on that later!)
I also excluded comics drawn by the Brazilian Carlos Mota (I made two exception with him, more on that later) and the Argentinian Wanda Gattino, Vicar, José Massaroli and Carlos Valenti mostly for the same reasons as above. At this point I have to mention that I think some of the artists above are much better than others. (For example: Vicar, Wanda Gattino and Cèsar Ferioli Pelaez although I believe none of them are great enough to include their comics on the list just for their art.)
Also excluded are the comics by Swedish Peter Härdfeldt and French Rachid Nawa and Gen-Clo. Mostly for the same reasons as above: mediocre art, average at best story.
Other exclusions: comics by Italian artist Fabrizio Petrossi, Andrea Ferraris, Giorgio Cavazzano, Sandro Dossi, Staff di IF, Salvatore Deiana, Giovan Battista Carpi and Roberto Santillo. They are mostly great artist but I exuded them since their comics really belong to the 3-tier Italian universe even if some of them have 4-tiers. I also excluded the Dragonlords series by Giorgio Cavazzano and Byron Ericson. It is a really great series but does not feel like a traditional Disney comic.
More exclusions: all comics based on Disney movies or TV series without the Ducks or the Mice (so for example Aladdin does not count but DuckTales does!). G-code comics (Abenteuer aus Onkel Dagoberts Schatztruhe series). MM series made for the Italian Mickey Mouse Mystery Magazine. E GN 92-03 by Scarpa (the COA lists it as a 4-tier comic but it looks like it has an irregular layout.) Following comics (the reasons are obvious if you look at their COA page): KJT 004, KJT 005, KJZ 092, KJZ 096, KJZ 309b, KT ??90b, KT 0190, KT 0490, KT 0790, KT 1290, KT 1390, KT 1490, KT 1590, KT 1790, KT 2190, KT 2390, KZ 6590, KZ 7090, S 83097, S 85240, S 85275, S 86127, S 87006, S 87034, XU GEM 103.
Some H-code comics are also excluded. Reasons: see below in the following posts.
When I wrote about the Spanish artists I mentioned scripts average at best. I few exceptions: I think long comics written by Kari Korhonen, Lars Jensen, Stephan Perucha and Byron Ericson are far better than the average (still, I did not include them in the list).
After excluding everything mentioned above I came up with this list:
(Titles are in bold. Exceptions: comics by Don Rosa and Barks-remakes by Jippes. Not that they are worse than the rest! I just wanted to make it easier to find these lesser known completely new comics.)
Duck Comics
1990
AR 154 - The Amazon Queen by William Van Horn (story: John Lustig)
H 86230 - De diamant van Duncan Duck by Ben Verhagen (story: Jan Kruse)
1991
D 90227 - Treasure Under Glass by Don Rosa
D 90314 - Return To Xanadu by Don Rosa
D 91192 - War Of The Wendigo by Don Rosa
H 87180 - in Prullaria by Mark de Jonge (story: Jan Kruse)
H 88069 - Graniet v.Nevelingen by Ben Verhagen (story: Jan Kruse)
H 90164 - 2000e nummer by Mau Heymans (story: Evert Geradts)
1992
D 90243 - Prince Iganov by Marco Rota (story: Paul Halas, Tom Anderson)
D 91411 - The Master Of The Mississippi by Don Rosa
H 88041 - als piraat by Ben Verhagen (story: Evert Geradts)
H 90016 - Het geheim v.h. padvindersboek by Mau Heymans (story: Ruud Straatman)
H 91128 - 40 jaar DD Feest! by Daan Jippes (story: Evert Geradts, ink: Michel Nadorp)
H 92086 - Op reis met Columbus by Ben Verhagen (story: Pascal Oost)
1993
D 92207 - The Black Moon by William Van Horn
D 92380 - The Guardians Of The Lost Library by Don Rosa
D 92513 - The Incredible Shrinking Duck by Marco Rota
D 92514 - The Argonaut Of White Agony Creek by Don Rosa
H 91160 - Het gouden schip by Ben Verhagen
1994
AR 200 - The Mystery of Widow's Gap by Pat Block (story: Ron Fernandez)
AR 205 - Too Late for Christmas by Pat Block (story: Ron Fernandez)
D 93288 - The Richest Duck In The World by Don Rosa
D 93302 - The Molepeople by Marco Rota (story: Gail Renard)
D 93481 - The Magic Rune by Marco Rota
D 93488 - The Recluse Of McDuck Manor by Don Rosa
D 93574 - The Duck Who Never Was by Don Rosa
D 94003 - Horsing Around With History by William Van Horn (story: Carl Barks)
1995
AR 207 - Beagle Bug-off by Vic Lockman
AR 208 - The Secret of the Dragon's Den by Pat Block (story: Ron Fernandez)
AR 209 - The Poorest Duck in Duckburg by Pat Block (story: Ron Fernandez)
D 92206 - The Pauper's Glass by William Van Horn
D 94012 - The Treasury Of Croesus by Don Rosa
D 94066 - The Universal Solvent by Don Rosa
D 94144 - The Lost Charts Of Columbus by Don Rosa
D 94202 - The Incredible Shrinking Tightwad by Don Rosa
D 95044 - Hearts Of The Yukon by Don Rosa
H 95022 - 't Geheim van Sinterklaas by Ben Verhagen (story: Jan Kruse)
1996
AR 213 - Three Little Cupids by Pat and Shelly Block
AR 216 - The Hauntland Treasure by William Van Horn
D 95079 - The Once And Future Duck by Don Rosa
D 95153 - The Treasure Of The Ten Avatars by Don Rosa
D 96001 - A Matter Of Some Gravity by Don Rosa
D 96089 - The Vigilante Of Pizen Bluff by Don Rosa
H 93047 - Spionage in de Verweggistan expres by Bas Heymans (story: Jan Kruse, ink: Comicup)
1997
D 96116 - Nightmare On Duck Street by Marco Rota
D 96203 - Attack Of The Hideous Space-Varmints by Don Rosa
D 96325 - A Little Something Special by Don Rosa
D 96365 - The Saphead Factor by William Van Horn
D 97052 - W.H.A.D.A.L.O.T.T.A.J.A.R.G.O.N. by Don Rosa
H 89134 - Goud maakt niet gelukkig by Bas Heymans (story: Jan Kruse, ink: Comicup)
1998
D 96066 - The Last Lord Of Eldorado by Don Rosa
D 97346 - The Black Knight by Don Rosa
D 98045 - The Cowboy Captain Of The Cutty Sark by Don Rosa
D 98154 - Secrets by William Van Horn
H 94145 - De huifkarrace by Ben Verhagen (story: Jan Kruse)
1999
D 98202 - The Dutchman's Secret by Don Rosa
D 98346 - Escape From Forbidden Valley by Don Rosa
D 99078 - Quest For Kalevala by Don Rosa
H 97090 - Het spook van de Prulbrug by Santiago Barreira (story: Piet Zeeman, ink: Comicup)
H 98135 - Pawns of the Loup Garou by Daan Jippes (story: Carl Barks)
H 98239 - Wailing whalers by Daan Jippes (story: Carl Barks)
2000
D 99051 - Fools Of The Trade by William Van Horn
D 99053 - Travails by William Van Horn
D 99286 - Old Jack's Island by Marco Rota
D 2000-002 - The Three Caballeros Ride Again by Don Rosa
I TES 3-1 - Somewhere in Nowhere by Pat Block (story: Carl Barks, John Lustig)
2001
D 99292 - The Utter Limits by William Van Horn (story: Gary Leach)
D 2000-187 - World Wide Witch by Daniel Branca (story: Geoffrey Blum)
D 2000-188 - Funny Carrots by Romano Scarpa (ink: Lucio Michieli)
D 2000-191 - The Beagle Boys Vs. The Money Bin by Don Rosa (Money Bin map: Dan Shane)
D 2001-024 - The Crown Of The Crusader Kings by Don Rosa
F PM 01201 - The Sharpie of the Culebra Cut by Don Rosa
H 96245 - De schat van de doge by Ben Verhagen (story: Jan Kruse)
2002
D 2001-097 - The Golden Throne Legend by Marco Rota
D 2001-143 - Gyro's First Invention by Don Rosa
D 2002-033 - The Dream Of A Lifetime by Don Rosa
D/D 2001-004 - Dime And Dime Again by Carlos Mota (story: Carl Barks, Geoffrey Blum)
H 97030 - De geneesheren van de Andes by Mau Heymans (story by 4 different writers)
H 98254 - Highwire heroes by Daan Jippes (story: Carl Barks)
H 21150 - Katriens kerstdiner by Mau Heymans (story by Kirsten de Graaf, Mau Heymans)
H 22057 - Donald 50 jaar by Sander Gulien (story:Evert Geradts)
2003
D 2003-043 - Sentimental Energy by Marco Rota
D/D 2002-001 - New Zoo Brews Ado by Daan Jippes (story: Carl Barks)
D/D 2002-023 - Be Leery Of Lake Eerie by Daan Jippes (story: Carl Barks)
H 88039 - De doos van Pandora by Bas Heymans (story: Arno Buitink, ink: Comicup)
H 97246 - De schat van Zapp by Bas Heymans (story: Jan Kruse)
2004
D 2003-081 - A Letter From Home by Don Rosa
D 2003-086 - The Night Of The Pirates by Marco Rota
D 2003-235 - The Black Knight Glorps Again by Don Rosa
2005
D 2004-032 - The Magnificent Seven (Minus Four) Caballeros! by Don Rosa
XU GEM 104 - Duck of the Deep by Pat and Shelly Block
2006
D 2005-061 - The Prisoner Of White Agony Creek by Don Rosa
2007
D 2006-142 - Music Hath Charms by Daan Jippes (story: Carl Barks)
D/D 2003-038 - Where There's Smoke by Daan Jippes (story: Carl Barks)
D/D 2004-013 - King Scrooge The First by Daan Jippes (story: Carl Barks)
H 25329 - In Amsterdam by Carlos Mota (story: Jan Kruse)
I ZP 210-1 - Zio Paperone e il segreto della palandrana by Romano Scarpa (co-writer: Luca Boschi, ink: Sandro Del Conte)
XU GEM 109 - The Case of the Missing Mummy by Pat and Shelly Block
2008
D 2005-141 - Teahouse Of The Waggin' Dragon by Daan Jippes (story: Carl Barks)
D 2007-224 - The Big Flying Model by Marco Rota (co-writer: Paul Halas)
D/D 2002-019 - My Enemy's Enemy by Romano Scarpa (story: Dave Rawson)
2009
D/D 2005-035 - Scrooge vs. Scrooge by Arild Midthun (story: Olaf Moriarty Solstrand)
D/D 2006-002 - Donaldus' Locket by Arild Midthun (story: Tormod Løkling)
I DAO 5-1 - Zio Paperone e gli uccelli dorati by Romano Scarpa
H 27090 - Het geheim van de Vesuvius by Sander Gulien (story: Jan Kruse)
H 28215 - Kerstdiner by Sander Gulien (story: Jan Kruse)
H 29033 - Goud der Zwijgenden by Sander Gulien (story: Frank Jonker)
2010
H 27201 - Pyramide Oesimare by by Sander Gulien (story: Frank Jonker)
H 2010-099 - Sail by Sander Gulien (story: Jan Kruse)
Mouse Comics
1990
1991
1992
1993
1994
1995
1996
D 95138 - Operation "Big Glutton" by Marco Rota
1997
D 96218 - The Ghost Train by Noel van Horn
1998
D 97529 - Sandgate by Noel van Horn
1999
2000
D 99157 - The Planet Muncher by Noel van Horn
2001
2002
2003
2004
D 2001-012 - Why Spy? by Noel van Horn (story: Stefan Petrucha)
D 2001-130 - Flip Mickey by Noel van Horn (story: Stefan Petrucha)
2005
D 2003-327 - The Mystery Of Freefer Hall by Cèsar Ferioli Pelaez (story: Don Markstein)
D 2004-066 - Treasure Archipelago by Marco Rota
2006
D 2005-060 - Iceberg Let Us Alone by Noel van Horn (story: Stefan Petrucha)
XU GEM 106 - The Photonic Muffler by Romano Scarpa (co-writer: Luca Boschi, ink: Sandro Del Conte)
2007
D/D 2001-017 - The Transmutant Gifts by Romano Scarpa
2008
2009
2010
Notes: I included all 4-tier, long, Disney comics published after 1989 made by Pat Block, Noel Van Horn, William Van Horn, Don Rosa, Romano Scarpa and Marco Rota and most, if not all by Ben Verhagen, Mau Heymans, Bas Heymans and Sander Gulien.
The reasons for inclusion of other stories:
AR 207: written and drawn Vic Lockman. 1: If a Disney comic is written *and* drawn by the same person it is usually good. 2: this was the only comic by Vic Lockman in the search result.
D 2000-187: Daniel Branca + Geoffrey Blum! Is that not enough?
D/D 2001-004: written by Geoffrey Blum based on an idea by Barks
XU GEM 109: this is a which-way story but look at that art!
D/D 2005-035 and D/D 2006-002: both drawn by Arild Midthun who (it looks like) is a new hope for Egmont
D 2003-327: looking at the name of the artist (Cèsar Ferioli Pelaez) one could think this is an average comic, but the art is great (the story too probably, although I have not read it yet). From Inducks: "Ferioli here experiments with old-style art. He wasn't asked to do that as such, but rather found it necessary due to the presence of classical characters."
XU GEM 106: this Scarpa comic was made in the 80s but first released in 2006.
H-code comics: see below in the following posts.
What else should I include in the list? Is there anything I should delete from it? I am looking forward to suggestions! I would really appreciate it if somebody could help me with the H-code comics!
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Topic: The greatest long 4-tier Disney comics since 1990
(40 messages)
Bence
The greatest long 4-tier Disney comics since 1990
Message 1 -
2010-08-26 at 13:28:37
GeoX
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2010-08-26 at 22:36:54
Quote:1: If a Disney comic is written *and* drawn by the same person it is usually good. 2: this was the only comic by Vic Lockman in the search result.
There's something to be said for the auteur theory of Disney comics, but good lord, man, this is Vic Lockman we're talking about here. The name is practically synonymous with "leaden mediocrity." I haven't read this story, but I have read a lot of his work, and he's a big part of the reason that Disney comics in the US post-Barks-pre-Gladstone era were such a barren wasteland (not that there seem to have been too many other great American creators waiting in the wings). Not that this particular story COULDN'T be the exception that proves the rule, but "written AND illustrated by Vic Lockman!" doesn't carry a lot of weight on its own.
Quote:looking at the name of the artist (Cèsar Ferioli Pelaez) one could think this is an average comic, but the art is great (the story too probably, although I have not read it yet).
I am a firm believer in actually *reading* a story before assessing its quality.
There's something to be said for the auteur theory of Disney comics, but good lord, man, this is Vic Lockman we're talking about here. The name is practically synonymous with "leaden mediocrity." I haven't read this story, but I have read a lot of his work, and he's a big part of the reason that Disney comics in the US post-Barks-pre-Gladstone era were such a barren wasteland (not that there seem to have been too many other great American creators waiting in the wings). Not that this particular story COULDN'T be the exception that proves the rule, but "written AND illustrated by Vic Lockman!" doesn't carry a lot of weight on its own.
Quote:looking at the name of the artist (Cèsar Ferioli Pelaez) one could think this is an average comic, but the art is great (the story too probably, although I have not read it yet).
I am a firm believer in actually *reading* a story before assessing its quality.
Ramapith
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2010-08-27 at 05:14:14
Quote from user: GeoXI am a firm believer in actually *reading* a story before assessing its quality.
Same here.
Bence, the best way to improve your list is to read, not to generalize. It's unfair to consider an artist beneath your dignity because he works??or has worked??for a studio, or a writer undeserving of your attention because she produces stories of a fixed length.
Consider that a 16-page serial might not exist solely "to have 2-parter comics in European weeklies," but because Egmont or another creative house might have no other format in which it's feasible to produce long-form 4-tier stories.
In many countries outside central Europe, weekly Disney comics are very short. Thus, if a story is to be longer than 10-12 pages and still publishable in those regions, there is no choice for the responsible creative house but to plan it as a serial??even if it might (sometimes) be better off in one piece.
Writers and artists often have to be more creative to work within these restrictions, not less so.
Same here.
Bence, the best way to improve your list is to read, not to generalize. It's unfair to consider an artist beneath your dignity because he works??or has worked??for a studio, or a writer undeserving of your attention because she produces stories of a fixed length.
Consider that a 16-page serial might not exist solely "to have 2-parter comics in European weeklies," but because Egmont or another creative house might have no other format in which it's feasible to produce long-form 4-tier stories.
In many countries outside central Europe, weekly Disney comics are very short. Thus, if a story is to be longer than 10-12 pages and still publishable in those regions, there is no choice for the responsible creative house but to plan it as a serial??even if it might (sometimes) be better off in one piece.
Writers and artists often have to be more creative to work within these restrictions, not less so.
Coolwater
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2010-08-27 at 09:16:03
Quote from user: GeoX... Vic Lockman ...
Leckstmiamoarsch, that is the fellow to whom we owe that we have to struggle in Barks' work with--horribile dictu--Dumbo (The Flying Farm Hand)! Alone for this piece of knavery he deserves all condemnations of heaven and hell.
Leckstmiamoarsch, that is the fellow to whom we owe that we have to struggle in Barks' work with--horribile dictu--Dumbo (The Flying Farm Hand)! Alone for this piece of knavery he deserves all condemnations of heaven and hell.
Lars Jensen
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2010-08-27 at 10:34:49
Quote from user: CoolwaterQuote from user: GeoX... Vic Lockman ...
Leckstmiamoarsch, that is the fellow to whom we owe that we have to struggle in Barks' work with--horribile dictu--Dumbo (The Flying Farm Hand)! Alone for this piece of knavery he deserves all condemnations of heaven and hell.
As long as we're invoking religious phrases: thank God for Vic Lockman! He brought an energy and freshness to the Disney books and forged a new path that was sorely needed at the time. How can anyone not like https://coa.inducks.org/character.php?c=Supersensitive-666
or https://coa.inducks.org/character.php?c=Posty (and all those other wacky inventions Gyro made in Lockman's stories)
or https://coa.inducks.org/character.php?c=Newton
or https://coa.inducks.org/character.php?c=Si+Bumpkin
or https://coa.inducks.org/character.php?c=EE
or those inventive fun stories he wrote that were completely different from Barks' material?
And speaking of Barks: he disagreed with you on Vic Lockman.
Leckstmiamoarsch, that is the fellow to whom we owe that we have to struggle in Barks' work with--horribile dictu--Dumbo (The Flying Farm Hand)! Alone for this piece of knavery he deserves all condemnations of heaven and hell.
As long as we're invoking religious phrases: thank God for Vic Lockman! He brought an energy and freshness to the Disney books and forged a new path that was sorely needed at the time. How can anyone not like https://coa.inducks.org/character.php?c=Supersensitive-666
or https://coa.inducks.org/character.php?c=Posty (and all those other wacky inventions Gyro made in Lockman's stories)
or https://coa.inducks.org/character.php?c=Newton
or https://coa.inducks.org/character.php?c=Si+Bumpkin
or https://coa.inducks.org/character.php?c=EE
or those inventive fun stories he wrote that were completely different from Barks' material?
And speaking of Barks: he disagreed with you on Vic Lockman.
Dia-Dia
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2010-08-27 at 11:40:44
Quote from user: GeoXThere's something to be said for the auteur theory of Disney comics
I'd say that it does not hold up, except for some artists (Barks and Scarpa, obviously, and Rosa). Some of the best Italian stories in my opinion are the work of two people together:
*Astralpippo n. 9999 ! (Mazzanti and Carpi)
*Topolino e il triangolo delle Bermude (Castelli and M. de Vita)
*Paperino e il grande Barunz (Martina and Chierchini)
*Paperiade (Martina and Bottaro)
etc.
I'd say that it does not hold up, except for some artists (Barks and Scarpa, obviously, and Rosa). Some of the best Italian stories in my opinion are the work of two people together:
*Astralpippo n. 9999 ! (Mazzanti and Carpi)
*Topolino e il triangolo delle Bermude (Castelli and M. de Vita)
*Paperino e il grande Barunz (Martina and Chierchini)
*Paperiade (Martina and Bottaro)
etc.
Sirredknee
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2010-08-27 at 11:55:58
I like the occasional Lockman story myself, e.g. "Og's Iron Bed", "The Dragon's Amulet", "Moon-Struck" or the Barks-drawn "The Invisible Intruder". I think his most original and lasting contribution to Disney comics is Gyro's thinking cap. All in all he is better remembered for crazy ideas than convincing plots.
Coolwater
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2010-08-27 at 12:52:03
Quote from user: Lars JensenAs long as we're invoking religious phrases: thank God for Vic Lockman! He brought an energy and freshness to the Disney books and forged a new path that was sorely needed at the time. How can anyone not like https://coa.inducks.org/character.php?c=Supersensitive-666
or https://coa.inducks.org/character.php?c=Posty (and all those other wacky inventions Gyro made in Lockman's stories)
or https://coa.inducks.org/character.php?c=Newton
or https://coa.inducks.org/character.php?c=Si+Bumpkin
or https://coa.inducks.org/character.php?c=EE
or those inventive fun stories he wrote that were completely different from Barks' material?
Unfortunately, none of the links works in the moment from my (?) computer, so I don't see which stories you mean. I must say that I haven't really payed attention to what he produced different than those stories Barks illustrated.
Regarding his scripts that Barks illustrated, maybe they aren't really that bad as long as Lockman could deter himself from inviting alien and absurd elements into the Ducks' world, speak Dumbo, Zeke Wolf & Co.--On the other side, they also aren't really that good and impressingly sensational and within Barks' work just marginal and apocryphic.
Quote:And speaking of Barks: he disagreed with you on Vic Lockman.
The comments of Barks on Lockman that I know look rather ambivalent and distinguishing altogether. In vol. 21 of the Carl Barks Collection, Geoffrey Blum writes:
Quote from user: Geoffrey BlumTo improve his budget Barks started to accept remittance works of Western Publishing. In 1959 he drew several issues of Grandma Duck's Farm Friends and Daisy Duck's Diary after scripts of Vic Lockman, an author from Western's publishing office in Beverly Hills. Barks took the shallow little stories, brushed them up, injected some of his characteristical kick into them and pulled down the drawings. "Other authors developed the plots for what I will always be thankful to them," he sighed. And again: "It would be my eagerest wish that the publisher found good authors who provide me with plots, since I anyway prefer to draw than to write." At that time he spoke good about Lockman's efforts. Perhaps because of the reason because the fans with which he spoke could have went easily to Western and asked for an interview with the author. To a reader who recognised the difference he answered: "The plots of Vic Lockman get better that fast that he will soon be a Hemingway of the comic world. Rarely I have to change one of his gags. His dialogues, however, have to be tightened sometimes."
Forty years later that all sounded a bit different: "I could not illustrate them [the stories of other authors] as fast as my own, that I can tell you. With my own plots I knew after all what I had to draw, but with the scripts of someone different I often had to consider how one could present the things. Authors could give no [adequate] instructions because it would have slowed down their work too much; and when they gave too many instructions, then the artists who had asked them for that grumped that something like that would be impossible to draw."
"I never had contact to Vic, but I definitely picked many of his dialogues in pieces and wrote them new."
(not the original English wording of course, but just a quick retranslation by me)
In vol. 19, there is at the beginning a quote of Barks from an interview with Blum in 1991:
Quote from user: Carl BarksI hated it when I had to bolster up a story. Afterwards now, I must say that the stories for which one sent scripts to me by the publisher were generally of that kind; they did not have enough substance to make a good plot. That's why I always had to bolster them up with my own points, had to change the dialogues of the figures or the sceneries or had to intervene in another way. Those stories that came from Vic Lockman and other authors, all very productive people, contained many good ideas, but they were simply too much different from my own works. Thus I dropped some of their points or reworked them or spiced them up until I had something that looked as if it could have been by me.
If good or bad, "different from Barks' material" is indeed rightly spoken. "Dumbo", too, is certainly a nice animated film ...
or https://coa.inducks.org/character.php?c=Posty (and all those other wacky inventions Gyro made in Lockman's stories)
or https://coa.inducks.org/character.php?c=Newton
or https://coa.inducks.org/character.php?c=Si+Bumpkin
or https://coa.inducks.org/character.php?c=EE
or those inventive fun stories he wrote that were completely different from Barks' material?
Unfortunately, none of the links works in the moment from my (?) computer, so I don't see which stories you mean. I must say that I haven't really payed attention to what he produced different than those stories Barks illustrated.
Regarding his scripts that Barks illustrated, maybe they aren't really that bad as long as Lockman could deter himself from inviting alien and absurd elements into the Ducks' world, speak Dumbo, Zeke Wolf & Co.--On the other side, they also aren't really that good and impressingly sensational and within Barks' work just marginal and apocryphic.
Quote:And speaking of Barks: he disagreed with you on Vic Lockman.
The comments of Barks on Lockman that I know look rather ambivalent and distinguishing altogether. In vol. 21 of the Carl Barks Collection, Geoffrey Blum writes:
Quote from user: Geoffrey BlumTo improve his budget Barks started to accept remittance works of Western Publishing. In 1959 he drew several issues of Grandma Duck's Farm Friends and Daisy Duck's Diary after scripts of Vic Lockman, an author from Western's publishing office in Beverly Hills. Barks took the shallow little stories, brushed them up, injected some of his characteristical kick into them and pulled down the drawings. "Other authors developed the plots for what I will always be thankful to them," he sighed. And again: "It would be my eagerest wish that the publisher found good authors who provide me with plots, since I anyway prefer to draw than to write." At that time he spoke good about Lockman's efforts. Perhaps because of the reason because the fans with which he spoke could have went easily to Western and asked for an interview with the author. To a reader who recognised the difference he answered: "The plots of Vic Lockman get better that fast that he will soon be a Hemingway of the comic world. Rarely I have to change one of his gags. His dialogues, however, have to be tightened sometimes."
Forty years later that all sounded a bit different: "I could not illustrate them [the stories of other authors] as fast as my own, that I can tell you. With my own plots I knew after all what I had to draw, but with the scripts of someone different I often had to consider how one could present the things. Authors could give no [adequate] instructions because it would have slowed down their work too much; and when they gave too many instructions, then the artists who had asked them for that grumped that something like that would be impossible to draw."
"I never had contact to Vic, but I definitely picked many of his dialogues in pieces and wrote them new."
(not the original English wording of course, but just a quick retranslation by me)
In vol. 19, there is at the beginning a quote of Barks from an interview with Blum in 1991:
Quote from user: Carl BarksI hated it when I had to bolster up a story. Afterwards now, I must say that the stories for which one sent scripts to me by the publisher were generally of that kind; they did not have enough substance to make a good plot. That's why I always had to bolster them up with my own points, had to change the dialogues of the figures or the sceneries or had to intervene in another way. Those stories that came from Vic Lockman and other authors, all very productive people, contained many good ideas, but they were simply too much different from my own works. Thus I dropped some of their points or reworked them or spiced them up until I had something that looked as if it could have been by me.
If good or bad, "different from Barks' material" is indeed rightly spoken. "Dumbo", too, is certainly a nice animated film ...
GeoX
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2010-08-27 at 16:15:37
Quote from user: Lars Jensenor those inventive fun stories he wrote that were completely different from Barks' material?
You're familiar with the logical fallacy known as "begging the question?"
Quote:And speaking of Barks: he disagreed with you on Vic Lockman.
His politics were also substantially different from mine. So what?
You're familiar with the logical fallacy known as "begging the question?"
Quote:And speaking of Barks: he disagreed with you on Vic Lockman.
His politics were also substantially different from mine. So what?
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
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Message 10 -
2010-08-27 at 16:37:49
Quote from user: BenceI also excluded all H-code stories because I have no proper knowledge of them. (A lot of them have been never released outside of Netherlands at all!) At this point I am asking for your help, because I really want to include the H-code stories as well on the list. If you do an advanced COA search with H-code, 4-tier comics with more than 15 pages released after 1989 you will get 41 results. H-code experts: which of them deserve to be on the list?
Here I am: the H code expert. As Dutch collector, I own 33 of those stories. I'll give a short description and about them. Note, however, that a lot of these stories were fully printed at once in the 32-, 40- and 44-page weeklies.
H 86230: I apperently own this story, but I haven't read it. I can't say much about it.
H 87180: I don't own this story.
H 88039: I own this story, but having not read it for years, all I can say is: I remember it being a standard Magica-Scrooge story that includes Pandora's box.
H 88041: I apperently own this story, but I haven't read it. I can't say much about it.
H 88053: I own this story, but having not read it for quite a time, all I can say is: I thought it was pretty good.
H 88069: Great story! Definately worth reading! I just love it. Americans can read it in Uncle Scrooge 313.
H 89134: Also a great story! Less good than the last one, but it's okay. Fun to read.
H 90016: Also a good story. I really like it. It's about the JW guidebook's origin. You can read it in Uncle Scrooge 383.
H 90164: Nice story. About the 2000nd issue of Donald Duck. Last page includes a one-page panel with all kinds of Barks characters. It's in Donald Duck 300.
H 90182: I apperently own this story, but I haven't read it. I can't say much about it. But, this being a Joe Carioca story, it's usually not my thing.
H 91012: I apperently own this story, but I haven't read it. I can't say much about it.
H 91073: I apperently own this story, but I haven't read it. I can't say much about it. But, this being a Joe Carioca story, it's usually not my thing.
H 91128: Love it! It's about the 40th anniversary of the Donald Duck Weekly. By Jippes, it's one of his best works. Good, very good story.
HC DD 1992X02Y: Great story, constisting of all kids of Barks panel put together. How can they do it? It's great.
H 91160: Good story. That's all I can say about it. Worth reading, but there's definately better stuff on this list.
H 92020: It's okay. But it's a Barks story, it shouldn't count.
H 92086: Good story. It's about the 400th anniversary of the discovery of America. Unfortunately, you can't do time travel stories without paradoxes. Also, in the Netherlands they usually place the stories in the Netherlands. So, when Scrooge changes the past and makes sure America has never been discovered, he is still around and so is Donald. Only coffee and that kind of stuff is gone. So, wasn't Donald Duck an American creation? Also, it features a funny B-plot with Donald and Gladstone.
H 93047: Fun story, but nothing special because it's longer than 16 pages.
H 94145: I don't own this story.
H 95022: Just another Sint Nicholas story. It's quite fun.
H 96245: I apperently own this story, but I haven't read it. I can't say much about it.
H 97030: I only have this story half. But it's good, the best one since H 92086.
H 97090: Nothing special. But it's a decent story.
H 97246: I apperently own this story, but I haven't read it. I can't say much about it.
H 98135: Great story! Unfortunately it's Barks, so it doesn't really count.
H 98239: Great story! Unfortunately it's Barks, so it doesn't really count.
H 98254: It's a good story. Unfortunately it's Barks, so it doesn't really count.
H 99103: Good story, about a bomb that has been ticking for the last 800 years and is about to explode. Also about the millenium transition.
H 21150: I apperently own this story, but I haven't read it. I can't say much about it.
H 22057: Best story since the 2500th issue. Unfortuantely, that story isn't over 15 pages.
H 25180: I apperently own this story, but I haven't read it. I can't say much about it.
H 25329: Decent story. A 42-pager should get a better review than that.
H 27090: It's readable. Yes, as you can see, the Dutch production quality goes backwards. And it still does.
H 27201: I don't own this story.
H 28215: The production quality still goes backwards. This story is on the border of sufficient and insufficient. But it involves time travelling that actually doesn't create paradoxes.
H 29033: Same goes for this one. Execpt that it doesn't involve time travelling.
H 29049: One time travelling mess. But it's fun.
H 29351: I don't own this story.
H 29489: Another borderline example. It's for the 3000th issue. And that actually makes it worse.
H 2010-099: First story that crossed the border and is insufficient. And maybe all the stories since H 28215 are, depending on how negative you are. Sorry to say, but Dutch stories just aren't good anymore.
I hope you can do something with this information.
That's it? Not quite. Because there's one, non-official Dutch story on the list. It's my own fan-fiction creation, a 45-page adventure story, beating both the longest Barks story (Vacation Time; 33 pages, because he only wrote half of DD Finds Pirate Gold and a part of PL Saves the Ship) and the longest Dutch story (H 29049; 42 pages, because H 84126 was written as a 22 page story). I am now at sketching page 22, so 45 pages is just a guess. We'll wait and see. Also in that story: numerous refences to everything, including Barks. A lot of known background characters, including Carl and Gare Barks. But furthermore, everyone from Brigitta MacBridge to the Sceptics' club from the Micro-Ducks story. If you want to know more about it, just ask. Adventure story creator is out. Peace! (that's a Phineas and Ferb reference)
Here I am: the H code expert. As Dutch collector, I own 33 of those stories. I'll give a short description and about them. Note, however, that a lot of these stories were fully printed at once in the 32-, 40- and 44-page weeklies.
H 86230: I apperently own this story, but I haven't read it. I can't say much about it.
H 87180: I don't own this story.
H 88039: I own this story, but having not read it for years, all I can say is: I remember it being a standard Magica-Scrooge story that includes Pandora's box.
H 88041: I apperently own this story, but I haven't read it. I can't say much about it.
H 88053: I own this story, but having not read it for quite a time, all I can say is: I thought it was pretty good.
H 88069: Great story! Definately worth reading! I just love it. Americans can read it in Uncle Scrooge 313.
H 89134: Also a great story! Less good than the last one, but it's okay. Fun to read.
H 90016: Also a good story. I really like it. It's about the JW guidebook's origin. You can read it in Uncle Scrooge 383.
H 90164: Nice story. About the 2000nd issue of Donald Duck. Last page includes a one-page panel with all kinds of Barks characters. It's in Donald Duck 300.
H 90182: I apperently own this story, but I haven't read it. I can't say much about it. But, this being a Joe Carioca story, it's usually not my thing.
H 91012: I apperently own this story, but I haven't read it. I can't say much about it.
H 91073: I apperently own this story, but I haven't read it. I can't say much about it. But, this being a Joe Carioca story, it's usually not my thing.
H 91128: Love it! It's about the 40th anniversary of the Donald Duck Weekly. By Jippes, it's one of his best works. Good, very good story.
HC DD 1992X02Y: Great story, constisting of all kids of Barks panel put together. How can they do it? It's great.
H 91160: Good story. That's all I can say about it. Worth reading, but there's definately better stuff on this list.
H 92020: It's okay. But it's a Barks story, it shouldn't count.
H 92086: Good story. It's about the 400th anniversary of the discovery of America. Unfortunately, you can't do time travel stories without paradoxes. Also, in the Netherlands they usually place the stories in the Netherlands. So, when Scrooge changes the past and makes sure America has never been discovered, he is still around and so is Donald. Only coffee and that kind of stuff is gone. So, wasn't Donald Duck an American creation? Also, it features a funny B-plot with Donald and Gladstone.
H 93047: Fun story, but nothing special because it's longer than 16 pages.
H 94145: I don't own this story.
H 95022: Just another Sint Nicholas story. It's quite fun.
H 96245: I apperently own this story, but I haven't read it. I can't say much about it.
H 97030: I only have this story half. But it's good, the best one since H 92086.
H 97090: Nothing special. But it's a decent story.
H 97246: I apperently own this story, but I haven't read it. I can't say much about it.
H 98135: Great story! Unfortunately it's Barks, so it doesn't really count.
H 98239: Great story! Unfortunately it's Barks, so it doesn't really count.
H 98254: It's a good story. Unfortunately it's Barks, so it doesn't really count.
H 99103: Good story, about a bomb that has been ticking for the last 800 years and is about to explode. Also about the millenium transition.
H 21150: I apperently own this story, but I haven't read it. I can't say much about it.
H 22057: Best story since the 2500th issue. Unfortuantely, that story isn't over 15 pages.
H 25180: I apperently own this story, but I haven't read it. I can't say much about it.
H 25329: Decent story. A 42-pager should get a better review than that.
H 27090: It's readable. Yes, as you can see, the Dutch production quality goes backwards. And it still does.
H 27201: I don't own this story.
H 28215: The production quality still goes backwards. This story is on the border of sufficient and insufficient. But it involves time travelling that actually doesn't create paradoxes.
H 29033: Same goes for this one. Execpt that it doesn't involve time travelling.
H 29049: One time travelling mess. But it's fun.
H 29351: I don't own this story.
H 29489: Another borderline example. It's for the 3000th issue. And that actually makes it worse.
H 2010-099: First story that crossed the border and is insufficient. And maybe all the stories since H 28215 are, depending on how negative you are. Sorry to say, but Dutch stories just aren't good anymore.
I hope you can do something with this information.
That's it? Not quite. Because there's one, non-official Dutch story on the list. It's my own fan-fiction creation, a 45-page adventure story, beating both the longest Barks story (Vacation Time; 33 pages, because he only wrote half of DD Finds Pirate Gold and a part of PL Saves the Ship) and the longest Dutch story (H 29049; 42 pages, because H 84126 was written as a 22 page story). I am now at sketching page 22, so 45 pages is just a guess. We'll wait and see. Also in that story: numerous refences to everything, including Barks. A lot of known background characters, including Carl and Gare Barks. But furthermore, everyone from Brigitta MacBridge to the Sceptics' club from the Micro-Ducks story. If you want to know more about it, just ask. Adventure story creator is out. Peace! (that's a Phineas and Ferb reference)
Robb_K
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Message 11 -
2010-08-27 at 18:16:59
Wasn't Jan Gulbranson's (my own work partner's) 44-page Bengal Tiger story in de Dubbelalbum, the longest "Dutch" story? At least it was the longest Oberon story. Does that not count as a "Dutch" story because he is half German and half Norwegian.
Lars Jensen
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Message 12 -
2010-08-27 at 18:28:17
Quote from user: GeoXQuote from user: Lars Jensenor those inventive fun stories he wrote that were completely different from Barks' material?
You're familiar with the logical fallacy known as "begging the question?"?
No, I don't see how that applies here.
I stated that I think Lockman wrote some "inventive fun stories", provided the names of some characters he created and asked the equivalent of a fannish: "How can you not like him?" I didn't, however, prove anything by providing you with examples of Lockman's good stories, and I never claimed I did. Primarily because I'm fighting a deadline but also because it's impossible to "prove" anyone is good when it's clearly a matter of taste. Either one enjoys Donald Duck going to Toylandia or Huey, Dewey and Louie meeting up with Br'er Rabbit's nephews... or one doesn't!
If Coolwater and you don't like Lockman's stories, you don't like them. In your case, GeoX, I am, however, surprised that anyone would feel that specific way about Lockman's stuff; intellectually, I can (barely) understand people having problems with a story where Grandma Duck and Dumbo fight Br'er Fox, but how could it ever be "leaden mediocrity"?!
Quote from user: GeoXQuote:And speaking of Barks: he disagreed with you on Vic Lockman.
His politics were also substantially different from mine. So what?
Usually I'd agree with you: "So what?" But in this case Coolwater wrote that Lockman had sullied Barks' oeuvre: "that is the fellow to whom we owe that we have to struggle in Barks' work with--horribile dictu--Dumbo (The Flying Farm Hand)! Alone for this piece of knavery he deserves all condemnations of heaven and hell." I thought it was only appropriate Barks' own opinion of Lockman was mentioned.
Anyway, this is all off-topic...
You're familiar with the logical fallacy known as "begging the question?"?
No, I don't see how that applies here.
I stated that I think Lockman wrote some "inventive fun stories", provided the names of some characters he created and asked the equivalent of a fannish: "How can you not like him?" I didn't, however, prove anything by providing you with examples of Lockman's good stories, and I never claimed I did. Primarily because I'm fighting a deadline but also because it's impossible to "prove" anyone is good when it's clearly a matter of taste. Either one enjoys Donald Duck going to Toylandia or Huey, Dewey and Louie meeting up with Br'er Rabbit's nephews... or one doesn't!
If Coolwater and you don't like Lockman's stories, you don't like them. In your case, GeoX, I am, however, surprised that anyone would feel that specific way about Lockman's stuff; intellectually, I can (barely) understand people having problems with a story where Grandma Duck and Dumbo fight Br'er Fox, but how could it ever be "leaden mediocrity"?!
Quote from user: GeoXQuote:And speaking of Barks: he disagreed with you on Vic Lockman.
His politics were also substantially different from mine. So what?
Usually I'd agree with you: "So what?" But in this case Coolwater wrote that Lockman had sullied Barks' oeuvre: "that is the fellow to whom we owe that we have to struggle in Barks' work with--horribile dictu--Dumbo (The Flying Farm Hand)! Alone for this piece of knavery he deserves all condemnations of heaven and hell." I thought it was only appropriate Barks' own opinion of Lockman was mentioned.
Anyway, this is all off-topic...
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
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Message 13 -
2010-08-27 at 18:40:39
Quote from user: Robb_KWasn't Jan Gulbranson's (my own work partner's) 44-page Bengal Tiger story in de Dubbelalbum, the longest "Dutch" story? At least it was the longest Oberon story. Does that not count as a "Dutch" story because he is half German and half Norwegian.
It's a great story, as others from Gulbransson, but it's only 40 pages.
It's a great story, as others from Gulbransson, but it's only 40 pages.
Robb_K
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Message 14 -
2010-08-27 at 19:28:20
Sorry, it was this 47-page story by Jan that was the longest: Donald Duck Dubbelalbum 14 (1987) De oudste auto ter wereld. But, I guess we can't claim it as a "Dutch" story, as he is no Nederlander, and also, he drew that album for Ehapa, despite mainly working for Oberon at the time.
"The Oldest Auto in The World".
That was, I believe, the longest 4-tier, traditional style Uncle Scrooge story (at least, at the time he drew it).
"The Oldest Auto in The World".
That was, I believe, the longest 4-tier, traditional style Uncle Scrooge story (at least, at the time he drew it).
Bence
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Message 15 -
2010-08-27 at 20:19:24
Quote from user: GeoXI am a firm believer in actually *reading* a story before assessing its quality.
I just generalized. (You did the same with Vic Lockman.) I really think that generalizing can be really useful in some cases: I definitely do not want to read hundreds of mediocre Disney Comics drawn by Comicup members (this is just an example) just to find 5 good one among them. Although the topic is "The greatest long 4-tier Disney comics since 1990" my goal was not really to create a definitive best-of list (it is not even possible) but to create a list for myself and anyone interested about comics that have the potential to be masterpieces. (Of course every 703 comic from the search result has the potential to be a great comic but come on, everyone nows that a Rota/Van Horn/Rosa comic has far better potential than one made by Colomer/Rodriguez/Marsal etc.) I do not buy any Disney weekly/monthly anymore regularly, so how can I decide when to buy one and which back-issue to buy? With generalizing and now with the help of this list.
Quote from user: ramapithIt's unfair to consider an artist beneath your dignity because he works??or has worked??for a studio,
I wrote: " the art of these comics drawn by Spanish artist mostly working in studios (like Comicup) are very mediocre". I never wrote the reason their comics should be excluded is that they work (or worked) for a studio. The reason was that they have mediocre art. (Of course they draw way better than me!) I have no problem with an artist working for a studio.
Quote from user: Robb_KSorry, it was this 47-page story by Jan that was the longest: Donald Duck Dubbelalbum 14 (1987) De oudste auto ter wereld. But, I guess we can't claim it as a "Dutch" story, as he is no Nederlander, and also, he drew that album for Ehapa, despite mainly working for Oberon at the time.
"The Oldest Auto in The World".
That was, I believe, the longest 4-tier, traditional style Uncle Scrooge story (at least, at the time he drew it).
I did a quick COA search, it looks like it is still the longest 4-tier, traditional style Duck-story. By the way "Der Tiger von Bengalen" is great! I read it in 1999 for the first time and I will never forget it. Did Gulbransson retire from making Disney-comics?
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderHere I am: the H code expert. As Dutch collector, I own 33 of those stories. I'll give a short description and about them. Note, however, that a lot of these stories were fully printed at once in the 32-, 40- and 44-page weeklies.
Thank you very much for your help! I really appreciate it! Taking your list into account I came up with these decisions. If anyone disagrees with my opinions, please reply!
H 86230: Included. Reason: Ben Verhagen. You can always trust him.
H 87180: Included. Written by Jan Kruse + Mark de Jonge has a good style.
H 88039: Included. It was printed in the German "Die tollsten Geschichten von Donald Duck (Sonderheft)" which prints mostly above-average comics.
H 88041: Included. Two words: Ben Verhagen.
H 88053: You wrote it is good, it was included in the Norwegian Hall of Fame series. I need no more reasons to include it on the list.
H 88069: Included. You loved it + drawn by Ben Verhagen.
H 89134: Included. Same reason as by H 88039 + you liked it.
H 90016: Included. You liked it + Mau Heymans.
H 90164: Included. Same as above.
H 90182: Excluded. Reaons: Jose Carioca (not the classic one as by Don Rosa but the "new" leading character as in the Brazilian stories) + Art: José Colomer Fonts.
H 91012: Excluded. Comic based on The Rescuers.
H 91073: Excluded. Reaons: Jose Carioca.
H 91128: Included. You loved it + Jippes.
HC DD 1992X02Y: I am still on the fence with this one. Is this a real comic? Who is the writer? (Edit: excluded: it is a fabrication by the editors, the art is from older Barks comics)
H 91160: Included: ben Verhagen.
H 92020: Excluded. Barks remake. I counted the remake of the original made by Jippes.
H 92086: Included. Ben Verhagen.
H 93047: Included. Same reason as by H 88039.
H 94145: Included. Ben Verhagen. (Seriously, even if the story is awful, Verhagen really knows how to draw!)
H 95022: Included. See above.
H 96245: Included. I love this one! There is one page in this comic where you can not see any ducks or mice or people with dog noses. That page must be of the most unusual comic pages in any Duck comics.
H 97030: Included. Mau Heymans.
H 97090: Included. Same reason as by H 88039.
H 97246: Included. Bas Heymans.
H 98135: Included. Barks remake by Jippes. (I decided to include the Barks remakes by Jippes since at least the art is new.)
H 98239: Included. Barks remake by Jippes.
H 98254: Included. Barks remake by Jippes.
H 99103: I am still on the fence with this one. Is it really that good? It does not sound like a traditional Duck comic + it was drawn by the Comicup studio. (Of course I have not read it and you have so you probably know more about this one than me. :) )
H 21150: Included. Mau Heymans.
H 22057: Included. You wrote it is good + Sander Gulien.
H 25180: Excluded. Carlos Mota + no information available.
H 25329: Included. This one was drawn by Carlos Mota too, but you wrote that it is decent.
H 27090: Included. Sander Gulien.
H 27201: Included. Sander Gulien.
H 28215: Included. Sander Gulien.
H 29033: Included. Sander Gulien.
H 29049: Included. All those cameos look interesting. (Edit: I excluded it at the end.)
H 29351: Excluded. Comicup.
H 29489: Excluded. Comicup.
H 2010-099: I am still on the fence with this one. Is it that bad? It was drawn by Gulien + the Barks reference looks nice on the first page. (Edit: included.)
I will update the first post in the next few days.
I just generalized. (You did the same with Vic Lockman.) I really think that generalizing can be really useful in some cases: I definitely do not want to read hundreds of mediocre Disney Comics drawn by Comicup members (this is just an example) just to find 5 good one among them. Although the topic is "The greatest long 4-tier Disney comics since 1990" my goal was not really to create a definitive best-of list (it is not even possible) but to create a list for myself and anyone interested about comics that have the potential to be masterpieces. (Of course every 703 comic from the search result has the potential to be a great comic but come on, everyone nows that a Rota/Van Horn/Rosa comic has far better potential than one made by Colomer/Rodriguez/Marsal etc.) I do not buy any Disney weekly/monthly anymore regularly, so how can I decide when to buy one and which back-issue to buy? With generalizing and now with the help of this list.
Quote from user: ramapithIt's unfair to consider an artist beneath your dignity because he works??or has worked??for a studio,
I wrote: " the art of these comics drawn by Spanish artist mostly working in studios (like Comicup) are very mediocre". I never wrote the reason their comics should be excluded is that they work (or worked) for a studio. The reason was that they have mediocre art. (Of course they draw way better than me!) I have no problem with an artist working for a studio.
Quote from user: Robb_KSorry, it was this 47-page story by Jan that was the longest: Donald Duck Dubbelalbum 14 (1987) De oudste auto ter wereld. But, I guess we can't claim it as a "Dutch" story, as he is no Nederlander, and also, he drew that album for Ehapa, despite mainly working for Oberon at the time.
"The Oldest Auto in The World".
That was, I believe, the longest 4-tier, traditional style Uncle Scrooge story (at least, at the time he drew it).
I did a quick COA search, it looks like it is still the longest 4-tier, traditional style Duck-story. By the way "Der Tiger von Bengalen" is great! I read it in 1999 for the first time and I will never forget it. Did Gulbransson retire from making Disney-comics?
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderHere I am: the H code expert. As Dutch collector, I own 33 of those stories. I'll give a short description and about them. Note, however, that a lot of these stories were fully printed at once in the 32-, 40- and 44-page weeklies.
Thank you very much for your help! I really appreciate it! Taking your list into account I came up with these decisions. If anyone disagrees with my opinions, please reply!
H 86230: Included. Reason: Ben Verhagen. You can always trust him.
H 87180: Included. Written by Jan Kruse + Mark de Jonge has a good style.
H 88039: Included. It was printed in the German "Die tollsten Geschichten von Donald Duck (Sonderheft)" which prints mostly above-average comics.
H 88041: Included. Two words: Ben Verhagen.
H 88053: You wrote it is good, it was included in the Norwegian Hall of Fame series. I need no more reasons to include it on the list.
H 88069: Included. You loved it + drawn by Ben Verhagen.
H 89134: Included. Same reason as by H 88039 + you liked it.
H 90016: Included. You liked it + Mau Heymans.
H 90164: Included. Same as above.
H 90182: Excluded. Reaons: Jose Carioca (not the classic one as by Don Rosa but the "new" leading character as in the Brazilian stories) + Art: José Colomer Fonts.
H 91012: Excluded. Comic based on The Rescuers.
H 91073: Excluded. Reaons: Jose Carioca.
H 91128: Included. You loved it + Jippes.
HC DD 1992X02Y: I am still on the fence with this one. Is this a real comic? Who is the writer? (Edit: excluded: it is a fabrication by the editors, the art is from older Barks comics)
H 91160: Included: ben Verhagen.
H 92020: Excluded. Barks remake. I counted the remake of the original made by Jippes.
H 92086: Included. Ben Verhagen.
H 93047: Included. Same reason as by H 88039.
H 94145: Included. Ben Verhagen. (Seriously, even if the story is awful, Verhagen really knows how to draw!)
H 95022: Included. See above.
H 96245: Included. I love this one! There is one page in this comic where you can not see any ducks or mice or people with dog noses. That page must be of the most unusual comic pages in any Duck comics.
H 97030: Included. Mau Heymans.
H 97090: Included. Same reason as by H 88039.
H 97246: Included. Bas Heymans.
H 98135: Included. Barks remake by Jippes. (I decided to include the Barks remakes by Jippes since at least the art is new.)
H 98239: Included. Barks remake by Jippes.
H 98254: Included. Barks remake by Jippes.
H 99103: I am still on the fence with this one. Is it really that good? It does not sound like a traditional Duck comic + it was drawn by the Comicup studio. (Of course I have not read it and you have so you probably know more about this one than me. :) )
H 21150: Included. Mau Heymans.
H 22057: Included. You wrote it is good + Sander Gulien.
H 25180: Excluded. Carlos Mota + no information available.
H 25329: Included. This one was drawn by Carlos Mota too, but you wrote that it is decent.
H 27090: Included. Sander Gulien.
H 27201: Included. Sander Gulien.
H 28215: Included. Sander Gulien.
H 29033: Included. Sander Gulien.
H 29049: Included. All those cameos look interesting. (Edit: I excluded it at the end.)
H 29351: Excluded. Comicup.
H 29489: Excluded. Comicup.
H 2010-099: I am still on the fence with this one. Is it that bad? It was drawn by Gulien + the Barks reference looks nice on the first page. (Edit: included.)
I will update the first post in the next few days.