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Quote:GeoX, we're not arguing whether slavery was wrong or not. Off coarse it was wrong!
But the South was depending on it, as a means of production apparatus - to make the plantation business rentable.
...then why do you include that second line, which looks for all the world like a justification? And why do several of your fellow posters keep trotting out the "but look--some slaves were HAPPY!" canard? The message here is pretty obviously "yeah, slavery was bad and stuff, but there were some mitigating factors and economic necessity that make it less bad." I think you're right--the movie DOES "bring up bad conscience." Otherwise you wouldn't be making these verbal contortions.

...to tell you the truth - I don't like the way Mickey treated the cat or the ostrich in "Steamboat Willie", but I see it as a document that is historical and, with that in mind, treasure it...

...and hey, believe me, I enjoy even Barks' stories that depict indigenous people in a truly cringe-inducing way. But I don't try to claim that, just because they are of their time, they are entirely unproblematic.

Fascinating what the guilt-ridden psyche of the modern white man can concoct as a defense mechanism to the reality that at one time it was the norm for white men to purchase and own black slaves.
I will repeat: [Whether one is comfortable with the reality or not] many slaves were treated very well and were quite happy with their employment, whereas some were not. This is a historical fact. Now, one can spin this any way one wants.
And as a matter of record, lest anyone wonders, I, as a white man, do not "own" or "employ"??whatever one's term??nor have I ever, nor do I desire to "own" or "employ" slaves??black, white or any other color. Nor do I condone the practice.
But to deny history is to be an Egyptian. That is, to live in "DE-NILE."
The bottom line is whether the cartoon should be banned. There shouldn't even be a debate on the point??but since there is, it should not.

I didn't post the link to start any sort of discussion on whether or not the film should be banned. I was just pointing out that 'Song of the South' is still a bit of a touchy subject for Disney, as it had come up in another thread (the art thread, I think -- I commented that Disney has all but erased the Br'er characters from existence here in the United States, while they still enjoy popularity in comic books overseas.)
It seems like every other year Jim Hill is weighing in on whether or not the film will see a U.S. DVD release, and every time it seems close to happening... it doesn't.
I think someday... maybe... but I wouldn't expect any sort of red carpet treatment. Disney will probably release it as a mere historical curiosity for the completists out there. Maybe they'll tuck it away as a Disney Movie Club exclusive or some such thing (along with gems like "Donald in Mathmagic Land") Don't know.

Quote from user: KneonI was just pointing out that 'Song of the South' is still a bit of a touchy subject for Disney... I think someday... maybe... but I wouldn't expect any sort of red carpet treatment. Disney will probably release it as a mere historical curiosity for the completists out there.
Doubtful. The Disney Team has much to lose and little to gain by such a 'racist' gesture. The microcosm that is this thread illustrates this perfectly. Standards of Business Conduct and all that sort of thing, don't you know.

In addition, all parties should disavow any evidence of Al Jolson's "My Mammy," the "Little Black Sambo" books, and more recently, Eddie Murphy's "Kill My Landlord" skit. Lemme know what else I'm leaving out.

Oh yeah--"What Makes the Red Man Red?" is MIND-BOGGLINGLY offensive--way worse than ANYTHING in SotS. Yet another mockery made of Disney's schizophrenic censorship policies.
@Morequack--since nobody has here has advocated that ANYTHING be banned, I can only conclude that you're arguing with the voices in your head. Unless the REAL argument is "nobody should ever say anything critical about anything they find offensive," or possibly "people aren't allowed to find anything offensive." In which case--sorry, sweetheart. Free speech cuts both ways.