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Topic: Origin of the Junior Woodchucks' Guide Book

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Sim
Quote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: SimTaliaferro created a Daisy's niece name Dottie, who was Daisy's cousin's daughter...

http://coa.inducks.org/character.php?c=Dottie&view=4&c1=date

Where was it stated that Dottie is the daughter of Daisy's cousin?

I've mistaken!
It's said only in the italian version...
Kneon
The Boy Scouts of America handbook is called... The Boy Scout Handbook.

Here it is on the official site: http://www.bsahandbook.org/

(My son is a Cub Scout, and I'm a den leader for the local pack here in PA.)

It goes like this...

Grade 1 = Tiger Cub
Grade 2 = Wolf Cub
Grade 3 = Bear Cub
Grade 4 = Webelos I (Webelos stands for "We Be Loyal Scouts")
Grade 5 = Webelos II
Grades 6-12 = Boy Scout

Kids start as Cub Scouts around age 6 or 7, which at that point they could be considered "Junior" Boy Scouts. They progress through the ranks until reaching "Boy Scout" status in their sixth year. Each scouting group has its own handbook until the kids finally become "real" Boy Scouts at around age 12 or 13 (usually the 6th grade.)

And no, coonskin hats are not part of the BSA uniform... they usually wear ball caps. ;)
Robb_K
Quote from user: KneonGrade 4 = Webelos I (Webelos stands for "We Be Loyal Scouts")

And no, coonskin hats are not part of the BSA uniform... they usually wear ball caps. ;)

-Holee Mack'l der Andy! D'Scouts speaks Ebonics!!!

The Cub Scout and Boy Scout caps have short brims-more like Huey, Dewey and Louie's caps than like the longer brimmed baseball caps (at least, they did in Canada and USA in my youth).
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
I don't know the ages anymore, but these are our groups:
-Beavers
-Gnomes
-Cubs(? Robb? Do you know the English word for welpen?)
-Estas
-Scouts (boys)
-Guides (girls)
-Rowans (boys)
-Sherpas (girls)
-Pivos
Now the kids went from toddlers, through children and young teens, to become adults.
Robb_K
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderI don't know the ages anymore, but these are our groups:
-Beavers
-Gnomes
-Cubs(? Robb? Do you know the English word for welpen?)
-Estas
-Scouts (boys)
-Guides (girls)
-Rowans (boys)
-Sherpas (girls)
-Pivos
Now the kids went from toddlers, through children and young teens, to become adults.

Welp IS "cub" in English. But, the English form of the same word, "whelp" (sounding very close to the Dutch word) is still used by old-fashioned people like me. It means "the young offspring of a wild animal".
Gerd Syllwasschy
Thanks, Robb and Kneon. So Barks wisely avoided the official BSA title. If my memory serves me right, he never even used terms like "boy scouts" or "scouting" in his stories.
Speaking of coonskin caps, somehow I had assumed these might have been inspired by the "Davy Crockett" TV series. But I see that Barks actually wrote his first Woodchuck story several years earlier. Was that kind of hat in any wide-spread use back then, except among trappers and hunters?
Kneon
Quote from user: Gerd SyllwasschySpeaking of coonskin caps, somehow I had assumed these might have been inspired by the "Davy Crockett" TV series. But I see that Barks actually wrote his first Woodchuck story several years earlier. Was that kind of hat in any wide-spread use back then, except among trappers and hunters?
I had always assumed they were inspired by the popularity of those hats in the 1950s, due to the likes of Davy Crockett and Daniel Boone. Hmm... maybe it just seemed "woodsy" to Barks...?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coonskin_hat#1950s_fad

I'm a fan of the "bush hat" myself. I need to get me one of those: http://www.scoutstuff.org/BSASupply/SearchPage.aspx?page=LIST&free_text|=hat&answers_per_page=15
Robb_K
Barks started using The Junior Woodchucks' caps in a Feb. 1951 story (which was written and drawn in 1950. Therefore, it is more likely (although not very likely) that the "Davy Crockett" and Daniel Boone" TV shows got their inspiration from Barks rather than the other way round. The Cub and Boy Scouts were rather conservative in dress. As a parody in a comic book or strip, that doesn't make much impression. As The Scouts taught forest/woodcraft and "survival" techniques, it was natural that his parody should have their costume be more flamboyant in the direction of a woodsman's dress. Naturally Barks, the master of creating "believable" fictional scenarios, would use such a creative, but plausible (and fitting for parody) uniform hat.
Robb_K
Barks had placed Donald's nephews in a backwoods camp, in "scouting uniforms" as early as 1950 (Vacation Parade). But, their uniform in that story had a hat similar to the basic style of that of The Royal Canadian Mounted Police. That also would have been satisfactory as a parody (though less creative and less funny than the coonskin cap).
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
A little search shows that there was made a movie about Davy Crockett, which was called "Davy Crockett, Indian Scout". This movie is about cousin of the actual Davy. It went into cinemas on January 6, 1950. This is a few month before Barks submitted his story to Western. That was on August 31, 1950.
Robb_K
I suppose Barks MAY have seen that film.But, I highly doubt it. He went to the cinema only very rarely. And that film was not very popular, -and so, had little advertising.
Or, did Fess Parker star in that film, and the TV series was spawned out of that success, only a few years later? If so, then Barks MAY have been inspired by it.
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
No, it was the George Montgomery version. I knew Barks to the movies, but not that rarely. So I think you're right.
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