Gilbert:
> Hey, would you be interested in trading any European (Rosa)
> Disney Comics for his pre-Disney works?.. (say like: Don Rosa's
> Comics and Stories [The Pertwillaby Papers])
I would, but why would you want to have European comics?
And: I still have to find an address where I can buy the (old) Dutch
comics I (you) want. Most of the time, they are available only in the
week or month they are issued, or when they are more than a year old.
I visited a Rotterdam comic shop last weekend. They had some old 2nd-hand
DD Extras, but they looked too bad to buy them. But the search goes on...
--Harry.
Author
Topic: 199308
(72 messages)
Harry Fluks
This, that and the other
Message 16 -
1993-08-09 at 14:21:21
Harry Fluks
(Dutch) Rosa
Message 17 -
1993-08-09 at 14:30:25
> Thanks for all the answers to questions. I think you ask me only
> one new one -- whether I do anything else besides Duck work. No, I make
> my entire livlihood off writing/drawing Duck stuff for Egmont.
And what did you do before that? (I guess that's none of my business,
I'm just curious.)
> Seems like one thing I noticed on your index is that they will
> be running parts 1 & 2 of my "life of $crooge" series right AFTER they
> print part 3. Will they say ANYTHING to readers to explain this
> oddity???
I don't think so. They put an extra capture in the first panel of part 3
to introduce the fact that Scrooge had a youth 8-). If there were any
references to part 1 or 2 in the story, either they changed them, or I
haven't noticed them (I have never seen part 1 or 2).
Maybe I can say more about this in November, when part 1 is published...
--Harry.
> one new one -- whether I do anything else besides Duck work. No, I make
> my entire livlihood off writing/drawing Duck stuff for Egmont.
And what did you do before that? (I guess that's none of my business,
I'm just curious.)
> Seems like one thing I noticed on your index is that they will
> be running parts 1 & 2 of my "life of $crooge" series right AFTER they
> print part 3. Will they say ANYTHING to readers to explain this
> oddity???
I don't think so. They put an extra capture in the first panel of part 3
to introduce the fact that Scrooge had a youth 8-). If there were any
references to part 1 or 2 in the story, either they changed them, or I
haven't noticed them (I have never seen part 1 or 2).
Maybe I can say more about this in November, when part 1 is published...
--Harry.
Harry Fluks
Little Mermaid
Message 18 -
1993-08-09 at 14:34:14
Torsten:
> Could someone please tell me about any non-U.S. editions of Disney's The
> Little Mermaid?
The Dutch edition, "De Kleine Zeemeermin", is a comic album containing a
D-coded (hence Egmont) story, that had been printed before in the Dutch
Donald Duck Weekly.
I guess that story was printed in album in Germany and Scandinavia as well.
--Harry.
> Could someone please tell me about any non-U.S. editions of Disney's The
> Little Mermaid?
The Dutch edition, "De Kleine Zeemeermin", is a comic album containing a
D-coded (hence Egmont) story, that had been printed before in the Dutch
Donald Duck Weekly.
I guess that story was printed in album in Germany and Scandinavia as well.
--Harry.
Don Rosa
+Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #70.
Message 19 -
1993-08-09 at 15:53:50
I'm not sure what sort of non-US editions of THE LITTLE MERMAID
you refer to, and it's unlikely I'd know much about it anyway since I
only pay attention to Donald and Mickey... or as I prefer to say, I only
pay attention to the DELL characters, and have little interest in DISNEY
characters.
But I can at least tell you that the original film adaptation
that Disney presented before it was seen in Europe was, nonetheless,
done completely by Egmont in Copenhagan (as any LITTLE MERMAID comic
should be, since that's the home of the Little Mermaid). I recall how
much grief Egmont had from trying to work directly with the screwballs
at Disney Comics; it's natural to go nuts when you deal with a company
where the level of power and decision-making ability increases in direct
proportion with the decrease in any knowledge or understanding of the
material involved. But Disney Comics was never as honest as Gladstone;
Gladstone would freely admit when they were reprinting work commissioned
by OTHER companies -- Disney would always word the credits as if the
work was commissioned by and created for Disney Comics. Even when they
started reprinting my stories and I kept my eye on 'em to make sure they
didn't claim I was working for them, they were very sly to word the ads
like "first time in a Disney Comic!" -- the average reader would take
that to mean it was the story's first EVER appearance in a comic... but
the ad said first time in a Disney Comic, not a Disney comic (note the
capitatlization).
Which is a long way of saying, I don't know a Little Mermaid
comic from a plate of Luttefisk.
you refer to, and it's unlikely I'd know much about it anyway since I
only pay attention to Donald and Mickey... or as I prefer to say, I only
pay attention to the DELL characters, and have little interest in DISNEY
characters.
But I can at least tell you that the original film adaptation
that Disney presented before it was seen in Europe was, nonetheless,
done completely by Egmont in Copenhagan (as any LITTLE MERMAID comic
should be, since that's the home of the Little Mermaid). I recall how
much grief Egmont had from trying to work directly with the screwballs
at Disney Comics; it's natural to go nuts when you deal with a company
where the level of power and decision-making ability increases in direct
proportion with the decrease in any knowledge or understanding of the
material involved. But Disney Comics was never as honest as Gladstone;
Gladstone would freely admit when they were reprinting work commissioned
by OTHER companies -- Disney would always word the credits as if the
work was commissioned by and created for Disney Comics. Even when they
started reprinting my stories and I kept my eye on 'em to make sure they
didn't claim I was working for them, they were very sly to word the ads
like "first time in a Disney Comic!" -- the average reader would take
that to mean it was the story's first EVER appearance in a comic... but
the ad said first time in a Disney Comic, not a Disney comic (note the
capitatlization).
Which is a long way of saying, I don't know a Little Mermaid
comic from a plate of Luttefisk.
Geir.Hasnes
The Life of Scrooge
Message 20 -
1993-08-10 at 12:44:44
Hello Don!
I was told two days ago by my friend Even Flood that this newsgroup exists
and am of course eager to join. Why havent anyone told me before?
Would be real fun to meet. The people of Hjemmet are a little sheltering
sometimes - quite understandable when you think that you shall be promoting
the stories. The last time we could have met, I was called just a few hours
after I had cancelled my flight and could not reorder it.
You will possibly have heard my questions before, but lets start with:
The young Scrooge apparently meets that guy, the professor from the south,
was it Rhett Butler?, who had been to Plain Awful and found square eggs, on
a train in the Midwest. How could that happen? Barks let him die just
shortly after he had come out of the fog, and the eggs was brought to Cuzco
by someone else.Apparently, the professor never returned to the US.
In my opinion it is quite all right to make a broader mythology out of the
scattered remarks in Barkses stories, but sometimes I feel people take
Scrooge et co. too seriously. Scrooge never intended "three cubic acres of
money" to be anything else than a pun, and then people start calculating
the size of such an amount. And can we be sure when he tells where he
bought his top hat, that he tells the truth, or is he just an old man
simply overstating, just as old people usually do - they tend to tell the
truth in accordance with how they would like to see the truth.
Two important developments in the life of the ducks.
1. John Nichols has shown in his brilliant essay of which I cant remember
the name, in the Barks Collector, that Scrooge developed from being an
angry old miser to a more jolly old miser after having met Goldie again.
Something happened in U$ 2 which made it impossible for Scrooge to be as
hard as earlier. Have you read that essay, and do you think this theory is
correct? I can of course transmit the essay to you if you havent got it.
Will you take care of this in your development of the Scrooge mythos.
Remember that he was alone without relatives for many years, and that it
took years to soften him afterwards.
2. One of those few brilliant Swedes - Dick Harrison I think, have in
NAFS-kuriren written about the English ancestry of Gladstone Gander, and
how his forefathers surely must have been English aristocracy who owned
factories in Scotland where the McDuck-people worked (toiled?). From this
stem the conflict between Gladstone and Donald. Do you know of his writings
about this?
Just as a start.
Geir Hasnes.
I was told two days ago by my friend Even Flood that this newsgroup exists
and am of course eager to join. Why havent anyone told me before?
Would be real fun to meet. The people of Hjemmet are a little sheltering
sometimes - quite understandable when you think that you shall be promoting
the stories. The last time we could have met, I was called just a few hours
after I had cancelled my flight and could not reorder it.
You will possibly have heard my questions before, but lets start with:
The young Scrooge apparently meets that guy, the professor from the south,
was it Rhett Butler?, who had been to Plain Awful and found square eggs, on
a train in the Midwest. How could that happen? Barks let him die just
shortly after he had come out of the fog, and the eggs was brought to Cuzco
by someone else.Apparently, the professor never returned to the US.
In my opinion it is quite all right to make a broader mythology out of the
scattered remarks in Barkses stories, but sometimes I feel people take
Scrooge et co. too seriously. Scrooge never intended "three cubic acres of
money" to be anything else than a pun, and then people start calculating
the size of such an amount. And can we be sure when he tells where he
bought his top hat, that he tells the truth, or is he just an old man
simply overstating, just as old people usually do - they tend to tell the
truth in accordance with how they would like to see the truth.
Two important developments in the life of the ducks.
1. John Nichols has shown in his brilliant essay of which I cant remember
the name, in the Barks Collector, that Scrooge developed from being an
angry old miser to a more jolly old miser after having met Goldie again.
Something happened in U$ 2 which made it impossible for Scrooge to be as
hard as earlier. Have you read that essay, and do you think this theory is
correct? I can of course transmit the essay to you if you havent got it.
Will you take care of this in your development of the Scrooge mythos.
Remember that he was alone without relatives for many years, and that it
took years to soften him afterwards.
2. One of those few brilliant Swedes - Dick Harrison I think, have in
NAFS-kuriren written about the English ancestry of Gladstone Gander, and
how his forefathers surely must have been English aristocracy who owned
factories in Scotland where the McDuck-people worked (toiled?). From this
stem the conflict between Gladstone and Donald. Do you know of his writings
about this?
Just as a start.
Geir Hasnes.
Don Rosa
+Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #71.
Message 21 -
1993-08-10 at 15:05:14
Harry: You've probably already explained this to me... but since you're
having difficulty finding those recent back issues, I get confused anew;
if you work with Oberon on occasion, why can't you obtain any and all
back issues from their office??? For that matter, why can't *I*?!
What did I do before Ducks? My B.A. is in civil engineering and
I owned a construction company which was passed on to me from my father
and grandfather who established it when he came to America in 1905. His
name was Joakim, as is $crooge's in Denmark (though he used the Italian
spelling of "Jioachino").
having difficulty finding those recent back issues, I get confused anew;
if you work with Oberon on occasion, why can't you obtain any and all
back issues from their office??? For that matter, why can't *I*?!
What did I do before Ducks? My B.A. is in civil engineering and
I owned a construction company which was passed on to me from my father
and grandfather who established it when he came to America in 1905. His
name was Joakim, as is $crooge's in Denmark (though he used the Italian
spelling of "Jioachino").
Per Starback
Back from Rome
Message 22 -
1993-08-10 at 19:17:14
Hi everyone! I'm back after a week in Rome and am glad to see that my
digestifier script seems to have been working. (In fact I was very
near screwing it up just before leaving so that no digests would have
gone out...)
I bought a stack of Italian Disney comics in Rome, and I also found
(and bought) a book I hadn't heard about: P. Marovelli's, E. Paolini's,
and G. Saccomano's _Introduzione a Paperino: La fenomenologia sociale
nei fumetti di Carl Barks_ (Firenze, 1974). I wish I could read it
too, but it seems to contain serious as well as tongue-in-cheek stuff.
Incidentally one of the appendices contains a list of Scrooge's staff!
(A matter discussed not long ago here.)
Well, I did other things too, but they didn't have much to do with
Disney comics. Oh yeah, I was not very far from Vesuvius (when taking
a trip to Pompei).
And now for some comments on old stuff:
Rosa on Hamilton:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Hamilton may have exploited [Barks] but he also made him RICH and,
> though Barks created all his body of work, it was HAMILTON that made
> it popular with others than just poor Duck fans -- thereby creating
> about 90% of Barks' American popularity.
Well, I for one don't think I care much about Barks's new popularity
among people who never were and still aren't duck fans. People who
buy Barks collectibles to show off or as speculation, but who don't
really care about it themselves.
Geir Hasnes:
> The young Scrooge apparently meets that guy, the professor from the south,
> was it Rhett Butler?, who had been to Plain Awful and found square eggs, on
> a train in the Midwest. How could that happen? Barks let him die just
> shortly after he had come out of the fog, and the eggs was brought to Cuzco
> by someone else.Apparently, the professor never returned to the US.
Rhutt Betlah it was. Maybe I shouldn't answer this question, as it
was addressed to Don, and he should know best, but anyway: Yes, that
is a continuity error that Don didn't think about. He will (or have?)
revise(d) it after the Scandinavian publication, so it will be fixed
when it's published in the USA. You didn't spot another closely
related continuity error though! (I won't say what it is...)
> In my opinion it is quite all right to make a broader mythology out of the
> scattered remarks in Barkses stories, but sometimes I feel people take
> Scrooge et co. too seriously. Scrooge never intended "three cubic
> acres of money" to be anything else than a pun, and then people
> start calculating the size of such an amount.
Which isn't easy as an acre is a square measure. I've seen someone in
Der Hamburger Donaldist argue that this means that the Donaldistic
universe is six-dimensional.
> And can we be sure when he tells where he bought his top hat, that
> he tells the truth, or is he just an old man simply overstating,
> just as old people usually do - they tend to tell the truth in
> accordance with how they would like to see the truth.
I agree and find that a great way to explain away things that seem
to be contradictory. The ducks sometimes lie, joke or misremember
things. What is said in text boxes should be taken as the Truth
though, I think.
Apropos the essays you mention I'll just add bibliographic data making
them somewhat easier to find.
1. It was "Fine Feathered Friends: The Disney Ducks Part IV: Scrooge
McDuck: Saved By the Belle" in The Barks Collector #34.
2. Yes, it was Dick Harrison. "Den engelske turisten" in
NAFS(k)uriren #16 (in Swedish).
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"I haf missed my plane to Rome! May I ask you for a lift?"
digestifier script seems to have been working. (In fact I was very
near screwing it up just before leaving so that no digests would have
gone out...)
I bought a stack of Italian Disney comics in Rome, and I also found
(and bought) a book I hadn't heard about: P. Marovelli's, E. Paolini's,
and G. Saccomano's _Introduzione a Paperino: La fenomenologia sociale
nei fumetti di Carl Barks_ (Firenze, 1974). I wish I could read it
too, but it seems to contain serious as well as tongue-in-cheek stuff.
Incidentally one of the appendices contains a list of Scrooge's staff!
(A matter discussed not long ago here.)
Well, I did other things too, but they didn't have much to do with
Disney comics. Oh yeah, I was not very far from Vesuvius (when taking
a trip to Pompei).
And now for some comments on old stuff:
Rosa on Hamilton:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Hamilton may have exploited [Barks] but he also made him RICH and,
> though Barks created all his body of work, it was HAMILTON that made
> it popular with others than just poor Duck fans -- thereby creating
> about 90% of Barks' American popularity.
Well, I for one don't think I care much about Barks's new popularity
among people who never were and still aren't duck fans. People who
buy Barks collectibles to show off or as speculation, but who don't
really care about it themselves.
Geir Hasnes:
> The young Scrooge apparently meets that guy, the professor from the south,
> was it Rhett Butler?, who had been to Plain Awful and found square eggs, on
> a train in the Midwest. How could that happen? Barks let him die just
> shortly after he had come out of the fog, and the eggs was brought to Cuzco
> by someone else.Apparently, the professor never returned to the US.
Rhutt Betlah it was. Maybe I shouldn't answer this question, as it
was addressed to Don, and he should know best, but anyway: Yes, that
is a continuity error that Don didn't think about. He will (or have?)
revise(d) it after the Scandinavian publication, so it will be fixed
when it's published in the USA. You didn't spot another closely
related continuity error though! (I won't say what it is...)
> In my opinion it is quite all right to make a broader mythology out of the
> scattered remarks in Barkses stories, but sometimes I feel people take
> Scrooge et co. too seriously. Scrooge never intended "three cubic
> acres of money" to be anything else than a pun, and then people
> start calculating the size of such an amount.
Which isn't easy as an acre is a square measure. I've seen someone in
Der Hamburger Donaldist argue that this means that the Donaldistic
universe is six-dimensional.
> And can we be sure when he tells where he bought his top hat, that
> he tells the truth, or is he just an old man simply overstating,
> just as old people usually do - they tend to tell the truth in
> accordance with how they would like to see the truth.
I agree and find that a great way to explain away things that seem
to be contradictory. The ducks sometimes lie, joke or misremember
things. What is said in text boxes should be taken as the Truth
though, I think.
Apropos the essays you mention I'll just add bibliographic data making
them somewhat easier to find.
1. It was "Fine Feathered Friends: The Disney Ducks Part IV: Scrooge
McDuck: Saved By the Belle" in The Barks Collector #34.
2. Yes, it was Dick Harrison. "Den engelske turisten" in
NAFS(k)uriren #16 (in Swedish).
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"I haf missed my plane to Rome! May I ask you for a lift?"
Don Rosa
+Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #72.
Message 23 -
1993-08-12 at 16:09:46
Geir:
As Per mentioned, someone did finally point out to me that it is
stated in "Lost in the Andes" that Rhutt Betler (not "Betluh... that
includes the southern drawl) died as he left Plain Awful. I have very
little excuse to have screwed up on that point. I think that my adult
reading of that story was shaded by my understanding of it as I read it
as a child -- so, even though it's pretty obvious that the vicuna hunter
is referring to Betler, I think I always had it in my head that he was
referring to a DIFFERENT visitor to Plain Awful. Strangely, not a soul
among the many Duck experts who have read my tale ever spotted that
goof until I received a letter from a reader in Sweden after it was
printed. When the story is printed again in Germany or the US, the goof
can be easilly remedied by having the old guy be the professor who
bought the eggs from the Cuzco padre; this has two problems though: if
it ISN'T the REAL Rhutt Betler there's not much point to the whole
scene -- also, why did they forget between 1882 and 1949 that those
stones were eggs. (That latter matter is easilly explained. Often
museums file away stuff and forget what it is.)
My "Life and Times of $crooge McDuck" does seek to take every
last detail of $crooge's life, no matter HOW MINISCULE, and include it
in the series. I challenge anyone to locate a detail I have missed!
Well, other than minor things like characters coming back from the dead!
But in everything that Barks/$crooge ever said, I only was forced to
ignore about 3 facts as being impossible to fit into the story, and
these, yes, can be explained as slips of $crooge's memory. Off the top
of my head, I changed the date for $crooge's visit to Goldopolis, as
well as the dates for his visit to Foola Zoola (and Bombie) and when he
paid Soapy Slick back his grubstake money (just one year off). I ignore
the Magic Hourglass as never existing. And I have the Money Bin built in
1902 just as it is "today" rather than how Barks slowly hit on the idea
between 1947 and 1951 or so.
I show $crooge becoming increasingly bitter and ornery until
part 12 at which point he is the decrepit old wretch retired to that
mansion... the "Bear Mountain" $crooge. In part 11 I show that he's so
vile and nasty that his family disowns him (that's why we've never seen
Hortense or Matilda, who are probably dead by now anyhow). In part 12 it
will be his first meeting with Donald and HD&L which change his life in
a manner that I have not set to paper yet. The change after "Back to the
Klondike" is almost imperceptible compared to this -- perhaps that 1952
change is just the tail-end of the main change?
As for Gladstone's ancestry and why he would hate Donald for
it... that's interesting, but they have the SAME ancestry except on GG's
father's side. Perhaps GG's father's father owned the factory where
$crooge's father worked, but how would they know that? And why would
that make Gladstone hate poor, working-class Donald??? It might make
sense if he hated $crooge, but not Donald. I like intrigue like this --
I have lots of it in the series -- but this bit of intrigue doesn't make
sense to me.
For Per: Oh, yes, it has bugged me for many years that most of
Barks' popularity in America is with investors who are sore as hell at
him for still being alive and postponing their payoff. The buyers of the
"lithographs" and figurines are primarilly people who never read a Barks
comic. But that's the way Americans are.
Oh, and yes, even though I enjoy messing with all those minute
details of $crooge's life and shaping it into one looooong story, I
still am irritated by people who try to figure how much money $crooge
has in his Bin. Not only might the stated volume be a boast, but there's
no way to know how much of it is paper money or more half-dollars than
dollars, or whether there's other stuff than cash in the corners... and
whatever the case, it's a waste of time anyway because that Bin is
obviously not his NET WORTH! That's only his CASH.
As Per mentioned, someone did finally point out to me that it is
stated in "Lost in the Andes" that Rhutt Betler (not "Betluh... that
includes the southern drawl) died as he left Plain Awful. I have very
little excuse to have screwed up on that point. I think that my adult
reading of that story was shaded by my understanding of it as I read it
as a child -- so, even though it's pretty obvious that the vicuna hunter
is referring to Betler, I think I always had it in my head that he was
referring to a DIFFERENT visitor to Plain Awful. Strangely, not a soul
among the many Duck experts who have read my tale ever spotted that
goof until I received a letter from a reader in Sweden after it was
printed. When the story is printed again in Germany or the US, the goof
can be easilly remedied by having the old guy be the professor who
bought the eggs from the Cuzco padre; this has two problems though: if
it ISN'T the REAL Rhutt Betler there's not much point to the whole
scene -- also, why did they forget between 1882 and 1949 that those
stones were eggs. (That latter matter is easilly explained. Often
museums file away stuff and forget what it is.)
My "Life and Times of $crooge McDuck" does seek to take every
last detail of $crooge's life, no matter HOW MINISCULE, and include it
in the series. I challenge anyone to locate a detail I have missed!
Well, other than minor things like characters coming back from the dead!
But in everything that Barks/$crooge ever said, I only was forced to
ignore about 3 facts as being impossible to fit into the story, and
these, yes, can be explained as slips of $crooge's memory. Off the top
of my head, I changed the date for $crooge's visit to Goldopolis, as
well as the dates for his visit to Foola Zoola (and Bombie) and when he
paid Soapy Slick back his grubstake money (just one year off). I ignore
the Magic Hourglass as never existing. And I have the Money Bin built in
1902 just as it is "today" rather than how Barks slowly hit on the idea
between 1947 and 1951 or so.
I show $crooge becoming increasingly bitter and ornery until
part 12 at which point he is the decrepit old wretch retired to that
mansion... the "Bear Mountain" $crooge. In part 11 I show that he's so
vile and nasty that his family disowns him (that's why we've never seen
Hortense or Matilda, who are probably dead by now anyhow). In part 12 it
will be his first meeting with Donald and HD&L which change his life in
a manner that I have not set to paper yet. The change after "Back to the
Klondike" is almost imperceptible compared to this -- perhaps that 1952
change is just the tail-end of the main change?
As for Gladstone's ancestry and why he would hate Donald for
it... that's interesting, but they have the SAME ancestry except on GG's
father's side. Perhaps GG's father's father owned the factory where
$crooge's father worked, but how would they know that? And why would
that make Gladstone hate poor, working-class Donald??? It might make
sense if he hated $crooge, but not Donald. I like intrigue like this --
I have lots of it in the series -- but this bit of intrigue doesn't make
sense to me.
For Per: Oh, yes, it has bugged me for many years that most of
Barks' popularity in America is with investors who are sore as hell at
him for still being alive and postponing their payoff. The buyers of the
"lithographs" and figurines are primarilly people who never read a Barks
comic. But that's the way Americans are.
Oh, and yes, even though I enjoy messing with all those minute
details of $crooge's life and shaping it into one looooong story, I
still am irritated by people who try to figure how much money $crooge
has in his Bin. Not only might the stated volume be a boast, but there's
no way to know how much of it is paper money or more half-dollars than
dollars, or whether there's other stuff than cash in the corners... and
whatever the case, it's a waste of time anyway because that Bin is
obviously not his NET WORTH! That's only his CASH.
Torsten Wesley Adair
Scrooge's Money Bin
Message 24 -
1993-08-12 at 16:29:07
Recently, Gladstone reprinted (again) the story where Donald buys coins
from Uncle Scrooge and sells them to a coin dealer for a profit. In
another story, wonderfully done by Don Rosa, Donald tries to excavate
Scrooge's money bin.
So here's my point:
While Scrooge's money may have decreased in face value over the
years due to inflation, it has increased due to scarcity. If Scrooge felt
like it (and he doesn't), he could make a tidy sum by clearing out his
money bin and selling choice coins. There would be almost no
deterioration in quality, as the coins are packed in air tight, and there
would be little chance of humidity reaching more than a meter into the
pile.
I think we should all view Scrooge's money bin as a very large
piggy bank, a place for Scrooge to toss his petty cash, in case he needs
to (gasp!) buy something, or if he ever gets the desire to frolic in his
wealth.
Besides, it's the perfect way for Scrooge to advertise himself (a
large building, filled mostly with CASH), and it makes a wonderful plot
device.
He built it in the early 1900s? So much for the possibility that he lined
the bottom of the vault with old comic books...
Here's an interesting question... If Scrooge were a country, what would
his Gross Domestic Product be? (Front row seat at the UN!)
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
from Uncle Scrooge and sells them to a coin dealer for a profit. In
another story, wonderfully done by Don Rosa, Donald tries to excavate
Scrooge's money bin.
So here's my point:
While Scrooge's money may have decreased in face value over the
years due to inflation, it has increased due to scarcity. If Scrooge felt
like it (and he doesn't), he could make a tidy sum by clearing out his
money bin and selling choice coins. There would be almost no
deterioration in quality, as the coins are packed in air tight, and there
would be little chance of humidity reaching more than a meter into the
pile.
I think we should all view Scrooge's money bin as a very large
piggy bank, a place for Scrooge to toss his petty cash, in case he needs
to (gasp!) buy something, or if he ever gets the desire to frolic in his
wealth.
Besides, it's the perfect way for Scrooge to advertise himself (a
large building, filled mostly with CASH), and it makes a wonderful plot
device.
He built it in the early 1900s? So much for the possibility that he lined
the bottom of the vault with old comic books...
Here's an interesting question... If Scrooge were a country, what would
his Gross Domestic Product be? (Front row seat at the UN!)
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
Harry Fluks
Rosa's Re:+Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #72.
Message 25 -
1993-08-12 at 16:40:24
Don Rosa:
> Oh, and yes, even though I enjoy messing with all those minute
> details of $crooge's life and shaping it into one looooong story, I
> still am irritated by people who try to figure how much money $crooge
> has in his Bin. Not only might the stated volume be a boast, but there's
> no way to know how much of it is paper money or more half-dollars than
> dollars, or whether there's other stuff than cash in the corners... and
> whatever the case, it's a waste of time anyway because that Bin is
> obviously not his NET WORTH! That's only his CASH.
And in 'The Money Pit' we get to see that there are some VERY old and rare
coins near the bottom of the bin. This would mean that the story 'The
Money Pit' takes place *before* any of the Barks stories where all Scrooge's
money gets out of the bin? Including the 'first' money bin stories?
--Harry.
> Oh, and yes, even though I enjoy messing with all those minute
> details of $crooge's life and shaping it into one looooong story, I
> still am irritated by people who try to figure how much money $crooge
> has in his Bin. Not only might the stated volume be a boast, but there's
> no way to know how much of it is paper money or more half-dollars than
> dollars, or whether there's other stuff than cash in the corners... and
> whatever the case, it's a waste of time anyway because that Bin is
> obviously not his NET WORTH! That's only his CASH.
And in 'The Money Pit' we get to see that there are some VERY old and rare
coins near the bottom of the bin. This would mean that the story 'The
Money Pit' takes place *before* any of the Barks stories where all Scrooge's
money gets out of the bin? Including the 'first' money bin stories?
--Harry.
Per Starback
Scrooge's life, money, and bin
Message 26 -
1993-08-12 at 21:09:46
Don wrote:
> My "Life and Times of $crooge McDuck" does seek to take every
> last detail of $crooge's life, no matter HOW MINISCULE, and include it
> in the series. I challenge anyone to locate a detail I have missed!
Well, I've asked you before if we will get to know the story behind
Miss Penny Wise.
Then you said that you are
> irritated by people who try to figure how much money $crooge
> has in his Bin. Not only might the stated volume be a boast, but there's
> no way to know how much of it is paper money or more half-dollars than
> dollars, or whether there's other stuff than cash in the corners... and
> whatever the case, it's a waste of time anyway because that Bin is
> obviously not his NET WORTH! That's only his CASH.
Yes, it's very hard to measure how much it all is worth. I guess the
only way would be if he turned everything he had into silver dollars
and put it all in a pile. Hey, I just thought of something! We're
lucky, he *has* done that. All we have to do is to look closely at US
27 and estimate how many coins there are in his pile there. (I don't
remember if I've seen someone do that, but I guess someone has.)
Of course that is one of those stories that make it a bit strange
that there are old coins about that Scrooge remember exactly when he
earned. Presumably he took care to get the same coins and bills back
afterwards. (Another one is where he exchanged all his money into
greenbacks.)
Torsten:
> I think we should all view Scrooge's money bin as a very large
> piggy bank, a place for Scrooge to toss his petty cash, in case he needs
> to (gasp!) buy something, or if he ever gets the desire to frolic in his
> wealth.
Primarily to frolic in it. "What's the use of having money, if I
can't have *fun* with it!" as he said in "Only a Poor Old Man".
> He built it in the early 1900s? So much for the possibility that he lined
> the bottom of the vault with old comic books...
I doubt Scrooge is interested in comics at all...
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"The referees will be the finest surveyors and geometricians
in the world!"
> My "Life and Times of $crooge McDuck" does seek to take every
> last detail of $crooge's life, no matter HOW MINISCULE, and include it
> in the series. I challenge anyone to locate a detail I have missed!
Well, I've asked you before if we will get to know the story behind
Miss Penny Wise.
Then you said that you are
> irritated by people who try to figure how much money $crooge
> has in his Bin. Not only might the stated volume be a boast, but there's
> no way to know how much of it is paper money or more half-dollars than
> dollars, or whether there's other stuff than cash in the corners... and
> whatever the case, it's a waste of time anyway because that Bin is
> obviously not his NET WORTH! That's only his CASH.
Yes, it's very hard to measure how much it all is worth. I guess the
only way would be if he turned everything he had into silver dollars
and put it all in a pile. Hey, I just thought of something! We're
lucky, he *has* done that. All we have to do is to look closely at US
27 and estimate how many coins there are in his pile there. (I don't
remember if I've seen someone do that, but I guess someone has.)
Of course that is one of those stories that make it a bit strange
that there are old coins about that Scrooge remember exactly when he
earned. Presumably he took care to get the same coins and bills back
afterwards. (Another one is where he exchanged all his money into
greenbacks.)
Torsten:
> I think we should all view Scrooge's money bin as a very large
> piggy bank, a place for Scrooge to toss his petty cash, in case he needs
> to (gasp!) buy something, or if he ever gets the desire to frolic in his
> wealth.
Primarily to frolic in it. "What's the use of having money, if I
can't have *fun* with it!" as he said in "Only a Poor Old Man".
> He built it in the early 1900s? So much for the possibility that he lined
> the bottom of the vault with old comic books...
I doubt Scrooge is interested in comics at all...
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"The referees will be the finest surveyors and geometricians
in the world!"
Gilbert Milburn
Replies and Comments
Message 27 -
1993-08-12 at 21:12:35
Dear Disney-Comics (List & Digest),
Harry (to Don [I think?]):
> I'll send you a copy of our 'don-rosa' index in private mail. I
> have the impression that you have never seen it...
HEY, NO FAIR!! I want one to! (I'm just kidding... but I
would still like YOU to send me one as well [if you don't mind] :)
Me (to Harry):
> Hey, would you be interested in trading any European (Rosa)
> Disney Comics for his pre-Disney works?.. (say like: Don Rosa's
> Comics and Stories [The Pertwillaby Papers])
Harry:
> I would, but why would you want to have European comics?
Because I think it would be interesting to own copies of Don's
Egmont/Gutenberghus stories (which have appeared across Europe &
Asia) =D
> And: I still have to find an address where I can buy the (old)
> Dutch comics I (you) want. Most of the time, they are available
> only in the week or month they are issued, or when they are more
> than a year old.
> I visited a Rotterdam comic shop last weekend. They had some old
> 2nd-hand DD Extras, but they looked too bad to buy them. But the
> search goes on...
Okay, take your time (I am NOT in any sort of hurry!)
Torsten:
> Could someone please tell me about any non-U.S. editions of
> Disney's The Little Mermaid?
Harry:
> The Dutch edition, "De Kleine Zeemeermin", is a comic album
> containing a D-coded (hence Egmont) story, that had been printed
> before in the Dutch Donald Duck Weekly.
> I guess that story was printed in album in Germany and
> Scandinavia as well.
Don:
> But I can at least tell you that the original film adaptation
> that Disney presented before it was seen in Europe was,
> nonetheless, done completely by Egmont in Copenhagan (as any
> LITTLE MERMAID comic should be, since that's the home of the
> Little Mermaid).
All right, First off (Harry) what's a D-code (does the D
signify that it's Dutch)?? How different is the Dutch edition, in
contrast to the U.S. version?
I guess that about covers it...
Gil Milburn <gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu>
Harry (to Don [I think?]):
> I'll send you a copy of our 'don-rosa' index in private mail. I
> have the impression that you have never seen it...
HEY, NO FAIR!! I want one to! (I'm just kidding... but I
would still like YOU to send me one as well [if you don't mind] :)
Me (to Harry):
> Hey, would you be interested in trading any European (Rosa)
> Disney Comics for his pre-Disney works?.. (say like: Don Rosa's
> Comics and Stories [The Pertwillaby Papers])
Harry:
> I would, but why would you want to have European comics?
Because I think it would be interesting to own copies of Don's
Egmont/Gutenberghus stories (which have appeared across Europe &
Asia) =D
> And: I still have to find an address where I can buy the (old)
> Dutch comics I (you) want. Most of the time, they are available
> only in the week or month they are issued, or when they are more
> than a year old.
> I visited a Rotterdam comic shop last weekend. They had some old
> 2nd-hand DD Extras, but they looked too bad to buy them. But the
> search goes on...
Okay, take your time (I am NOT in any sort of hurry!)
Torsten:
> Could someone please tell me about any non-U.S. editions of
> Disney's The Little Mermaid?
Harry:
> The Dutch edition, "De Kleine Zeemeermin", is a comic album
> containing a D-coded (hence Egmont) story, that had been printed
> before in the Dutch Donald Duck Weekly.
> I guess that story was printed in album in Germany and
> Scandinavia as well.
Don:
> But I can at least tell you that the original film adaptation
> that Disney presented before it was seen in Europe was,
> nonetheless, done completely by Egmont in Copenhagan (as any
> LITTLE MERMAID comic should be, since that's the home of the
> Little Mermaid).
All right, First off (Harry) what's a D-code (does the D
signify that it's Dutch)?? How different is the Dutch edition, in
contrast to the U.S. version?
I guess that about covers it...
Gil Milburn <gilbert at unix.campbellsvil.edu>
Per Starback
That archive again
Message 28 -
1993-08-12 at 23:59:12
Harry:
> I'll send you [Don] a copy of our 'don-rosa' index in private mail. I
> have the impression that you have never seen it...
Gilbert:
> HEY, NO FAIR!! I want one to! (I'm just kidding... but I
> would still like YOU to send me one as well [if you don't mind] :)
I guess this is the opportunity to remind you all that there is a
publicly accessible archive of interesting files for this list.
There's no need to ask anyone else to send you those files, as you can
*all* get them yourself. It's most convenient to do so if you have
access to ftp (address: ftp.lysator.liu.se, directory
/pub/comics/disney), but if you don't you do it this way:
Send mail to ftpmail at lysator.liu.se. Use no subject headline line.
Put some special commands for a program at the other end in your
message. To learn what these commands are, send just the text "HELP".
To get the Don Rosa index as an example you'd send the following:
CD pub/comics/disney
SEND don-rosa
and you'll get it in the mail. This ftpmail service was down for
awhile before, and I promised to tell you when it was operating again.
Well, I've done that now.
Gilbert again:
> All right, First off (Harry) what's a D-code (does the D
> signify that it's Dutch)?? How different is the Dutch edition, in
> contrast to the U.S. version?
No, it's D for Denmark. To learn more about those codes, retrieve the
file "story-codes".
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
> I'll send you [Don] a copy of our 'don-rosa' index in private mail. I
> have the impression that you have never seen it...
Gilbert:
> HEY, NO FAIR!! I want one to! (I'm just kidding... but I
> would still like YOU to send me one as well [if you don't mind] :)
I guess this is the opportunity to remind you all that there is a
publicly accessible archive of interesting files for this list.
There's no need to ask anyone else to send you those files, as you can
*all* get them yourself. It's most convenient to do so if you have
access to ftp (address: ftp.lysator.liu.se, directory
/pub/comics/disney), but if you don't you do it this way:
Send mail to ftpmail at lysator.liu.se. Use no subject headline line.
Put some special commands for a program at the other end in your
message. To learn what these commands are, send just the text "HELP".
To get the Don Rosa index as an example you'd send the following:
CD pub/comics/disney
SEND don-rosa
and you'll get it in the mail. This ftpmail service was down for
awhile before, and I promised to tell you when it was operating again.
Well, I've done that now.
Gilbert again:
> All right, First off (Harry) what's a D-code (does the D
> signify that it's Dutch)?? How different is the Dutch edition, in
> contrast to the U.S. version?
No, it's D for Denmark. To learn more about those codes, retrieve the
file "story-codes".
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Torsten Wesley Adair
Scrooge's life, money, and bin
Message 29 -
1993-08-13 at 01:51:55
On Thu, 12 Aug 1993, Per Starback wrote:
> Yes, it's very hard to measure how much it all is worth. I guess the
> only way would be if he turned everything he had into silver dollars
> and put it all in a pile. Hey, I just thought of something! We're
> lucky, he *has* done that. All we have to do is to look closely at US
> 27 and estimate how many coins there are in his pile there. (I don't
> remember if I've seen someone do that, but I guess someone has.)
*** plot revelation *** read at your discretion ***
I seem to recall a story where Donald raced Scrooge to the top of a
mountain. Donald did it the hard way, by climbing up the mountain, while
Scrooge simply piled coins along the vertical face of the mountain and
built a staircase! Now, assuming he used only one type of coin, and used
a constant slope, how much would this staircase be worth?
*** end plot revelation ***
> Of course that is one of those stories that make it a bit strange
> that there are old coins about that Scrooge remember exactly when he
> earned. Presumably he took care to get the same coins and bills back
> afterwards. (Another one is where he exchanged all his money into
> greenbacks.)
>
> Torsten:
> > I think we should all view Scrooge's money bin as a very large
> > piggy bank, a place for Scrooge to toss his petty cash, in case he needs
> > to (gasp!) buy something, or if he ever gets the desire to frolic in his
> > wealth.
>
> Primarily to frolic in it. "What's the use of having money, if I
> can't have *fun* with it!" as he said in "Only a Poor Old Man".
>
> > He built it in the early 1900s? So much for the possibility that he lined
> > the bottom of the vault with old comic books...
>
> I doubt Scrooge is interested in comics at all...
Oh, I realize that. His disdain for speculators and collectors of objects
is well known. I just thought he might have used them as insulation.
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
> Yes, it's very hard to measure how much it all is worth. I guess the
> only way would be if he turned everything he had into silver dollars
> and put it all in a pile. Hey, I just thought of something! We're
> lucky, he *has* done that. All we have to do is to look closely at US
> 27 and estimate how many coins there are in his pile there. (I don't
> remember if I've seen someone do that, but I guess someone has.)
*** plot revelation *** read at your discretion ***
I seem to recall a story where Donald raced Scrooge to the top of a
mountain. Donald did it the hard way, by climbing up the mountain, while
Scrooge simply piled coins along the vertical face of the mountain and
built a staircase! Now, assuming he used only one type of coin, and used
a constant slope, how much would this staircase be worth?
*** end plot revelation ***
> Of course that is one of those stories that make it a bit strange
> that there are old coins about that Scrooge remember exactly when he
> earned. Presumably he took care to get the same coins and bills back
> afterwards. (Another one is where he exchanged all his money into
> greenbacks.)
>
> Torsten:
> > I think we should all view Scrooge's money bin as a very large
> > piggy bank, a place for Scrooge to toss his petty cash, in case he needs
> > to (gasp!) buy something, or if he ever gets the desire to frolic in his
> > wealth.
>
> Primarily to frolic in it. "What's the use of having money, if I
> can't have *fun* with it!" as he said in "Only a Poor Old Man".
>
> > He built it in the early 1900s? So much for the possibility that he lined
> > the bottom of the vault with old comic books...
>
> I doubt Scrooge is interested in comics at all...
Oh, I realize that. His disdain for speculators and collectors of objects
is well known. I just thought he might have used them as insulation.
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
Harry Fluks
The Little Mermaid
Message 30 -
1993-08-13 at 12:45:28
Torsten:
> Could someone please tell me about any non-U.S. editions of
> Disney's The Little Mermaid?
Gilbert:
> All right, First off (Harry) what's a D-code (does the D
> signify that it's Dutch)?? How different is the Dutch edition, in
> contrast to the U.S. version?
As Per said, D is Danish. I have never seen the U.S. version.
--Harry.
> Could someone please tell me about any non-U.S. editions of
> Disney's The Little Mermaid?
Gilbert:
> All right, First off (Harry) what's a D-code (does the D
> signify that it's Dutch)?? How different is the Dutch edition, in
> contrast to the U.S. version?
As Per said, D is Danish. I have never seen the U.S. version.
--Harry.