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George wrote:

>Continuing from Fredrick's comments. Uncensored Mouse #2 (I don't
>know the title of the second story) ends in a cliff hanger.
>Disney did attempt to sue Eternity on the grounds of a trademark
>violation and I think Eternity dropped the title and recalled
>UM #2 because it wasn't worth fighting about (this is why UM #2
>is harder to find). Just as interesting as Gottfredson's
>excellent intial two MM stories (ca. 1930) are the essays in UM
>1 and 2 which rag on Disney for not giving Gottfredson (and Barks)
>more recognition and $$ for their work and lament the
>transformation of Mickey into a yuppie corporate spokesman.

I think the title of the second story was "MM in the death valley", and in
the first strips there is the first appareance of Horace and Clarabelle. If
I remember right (I'm moving, and I've not the references pronto), the
first story started at the end of 1930 (n November, I think...), and I'm
sure that the authors of that one were Iwerks and Disney himself.

>I've been meaning to go to the local library and try to
>find the MM serial in an old newspaper on microfiche (Eternity
>found them in the Oakland Tribune). I highly recommend these
>two comics to you guys (they used go for $10 each but I now
>sometimes see them in "quarter" bins).
>-George

Ehm, well... all Gottfredson stories have been reprinted several times here
in Italy, and if you can read Italian, I can send you a copy ;-D.

If not, you can buy "MM in colour", a wonderful collection of Gottfredson
earlier works which is available from Bear Mountain Enterprise for 160$
(Hardcover, big sized, with a record, signed by Gottfredson and Barks...
gosh, you cannot lose it) or a paperback edition (w/o all the Barks related
stuff) directly from Russ Cochran for 20$.
I'll send the addresses if someone is interested (and not before two or
three days: I'm still moving!!)

Fabio
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Universita` di Pisa
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> From: gadducci at di.unipi.it
(welcome, Fabio!)

> I think the title of the second story was "MM in the death valley", and in
> the first strips there is the first appareance of Horace and Clarabelle. If
> I remember right (I'm moving, and I've not the references pronto), the
> first story started at the end of 1930 (n November, I think...), and I'm
> sure that the authors of that one were Iwerks and Disney himself.

On "our" ftp site we have a list of MM newspaper strips. It starts like this:

nr start - end date wri pen ink reprints title
1 30- 1-13 30- 2- 8 WD UI WS MM 244 (part) lost on a desert island
30- 2-10 30- 3-31 WD WS WS
2 30- 4- 1 30- 5- 3 WD WS WS death valley
30- 5- 5 30- 5-17 WD FG FG
30- 5-19 30- 6- 7 FG FG G+H
30- 6- 9 30- 6-21 FG HG? HG
30- 6-23 30- 9-20 FG FG G+H
3 30- 9-22 30-11-15 FG FG G+H mr. slicker and the egg robbers
30-11-17 30-12-26 FG FG ED
4 30-12-27 FG FG ED gags
30-12-29 31- 1- 3 FG ED ED
31- 1- 5 31- 1-10 FG FG ED
31- 1-12 31- 1-15 FG ED ED
31- 1-16 31- 1-17 FG FG ED

The artist's abbreviations are explained in another file. WD = Disney,
UI = Iwerks, WS = Smith, FG = Gottfredson, HG = Gramatky, ED = Duvall.

The information is from that same book "MM in color" that you are referring
to.

--Harry.

Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (NL) (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"

New stuff available from ftp.lysator.liu.se:/pub/comics/disney:

[] characters/interlingual:

New version of Fredrik's file of character names in lots of
languages. This version (3.0) uses Latin-1 instead of plain old
ASCII as it was before, so the names in most languages will now be
rendered correctly.

Corrections and additions welcome as always! If you're interested
in the last 7-bit version, ask Fredrik <d91fe at ide.ide.hk-r.se> about
it!

[] archive/

A new subdirectory where old mail (everything!) to the list is
collected one month in each file. I just put it there temporarily
as there was some interest in it, but maybe I'd better keep it
there.

[] oils

A list of Barks's oil paintings with Disney motifs.

[] fanzines.

I thought it useful to collect addresses to interesting fanzines, and
this is what I came up with:

> Fanzines in English with Disney comics as their main focus.
>
> * The Barks Collector
> Published by Bear Mountain Enterprises, Box 616, Victoria VA 23974.
> Presently on hiatus, but some back issues or available. [Which ones?
> At what cost?]
> [The last issue I can find now is #42, but I think there are at
> least one more which I have mislaid somewhere. Which issue is the
> last one?]
> Devoted to the works of Carl Barks.
>
> * The Duckburg Times
> Published by Dana Gabbard, 3010 Wilshire Bl. #362, Los Angeles CA
> 90010. Irregularly published, sample copy $3. Back issues available.
> Emphasis on Disney comics with news, articles, interviews and reviews.
> The latest issue is #24/25 with a focus on DuckTales. #26 will
> include a profile on Italian artist Marco Rota, an article by Ken
> Bausert titles "The World According to Carl Barks" and an installment
> of Andy Lendacky's series on Barks's use of language, among other
> things.
> Issue #27 will probably be a special issue devoted to the Carl Barks
> Library.
>
> That's it, I think. There are of course also general Disney fanzines
> and general comics fanzines with occassional items on Disney comics.

Anything else? Harry thought that Funnyworld should be included as
well. What's the status on Funnyworld nowadays?
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"

Thanks for your combined efforts at answering my question on what was
in "The Uncensored Mouse". I later found out that it was already
answered in David Gerstein's file "gottfredson" at the ftp archive.
As said, the first Mickey story is in #1-2, and the beginning of the
second story is in #2 (only the first three weeks).

I still don't know if to believe the frequent proposition that some
parts in #2 weren't in the public domain or not. Maybe it was "just"
a trademark issue as some have said. I would like to see someone not
giving in to Disney and actually meet them in court some day. There
was a Swedish comic book with comics using Disney characters for
satirical means some years ago (Elitserien 1/85). The author of the
duck story in it was prepared to go to court to see what would happen
after Disney reacted as expected, but unfortunately the artist wasn't
prepared for that, so something was agreed upon outside of court as
usual. Too bad!

George Kesidis:
> I highly recommend these two comics to you guys (they used go for
> $10 each but I now sometimes see them in "quarter" bins).

I wish I could find such a quarter bin... Well, everything comes to
him who sits and waits as I've said before, so I guess they eventually
will fall in my hat if I just wish for them.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
"But wishing is a form of work!"

This is from the comics-l distribution list.

For those of you who do not know, the San Diego Comic Convention is one of the
largest comic book conventions in the United States (and probably the
world). Each year, the Eisner Awards are presented (named for Will Eisner,
the creator of the Spirit, and one of the best comic book talents on this
planet).

Torsten Adair

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 20:55:53 CDT
From: Bill Hayes <IANR012 at UNLVM.UNL.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list COMICS-L <COMICS-L at UNLVM.UNL.EDU>
Subject: Volume 3 Issue 34 Part 11

August 27, 1993 The Comics List Weekly Vol. 3 No. 34
This Week:
San Diego Con : Eisner Awards Winners
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: drizzan at genie.geis.com
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 93 22:01:00 BST
Subject: Eisner Awards Winners
WILL EISNER COMIC INDUSTRY AWARDS
=================================

Each year, publishers are solicited to submit outstanding examples in each
category published during the previous year (in this case 1992). A
committee screens all entries. Their list of nominated publications is sent
to members of the industry for voting; over 700 ballots were returned.

The following lists the categories and nominees; the winner of each category
is marked with an asterisk.

[...]

BEST ARCHIVAL COLLECTION
* Carl Barks Library album series (Gladstone)
Complete Crumb Comics #8 by Robert Crumb (Fantagraphics)
Batman: Dark Knight Archives, vol. 1 (DC)
Hey Look! by Harvey Kurtzman (Kitchen Sink)
The MAD Softcover by Harvey Kurtzman and others (Russ Cochran)
The SHAZAM! Archives, vol. 1 by C. C. Beck (DC)

[...]

This is an impressive list!

Now if we could only get Neil Gaiman to write some Uncle Scrooge stories....

Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA

Don Rosa writes:
> In the meantime, folks can help me not be paranoid.
>
Well, I can **try**, but probably at least some paranoia on your part is
justifiable. Maybe the balance is misinterpretation (to give Barks the
benefit of the doubt).

> You recall how Barks snubbed me in Atlanta.
>
Boorish behavior on his part, even if he doesn't like your work. Still,
maybe he's just a crank in general, so perhaps you shouldn't take his
rudeness as being directed exclusively at you. If it seems to be
directed **primarily** at you, this is probably because he does see
you as something of a rival. If this is true, and if he does snub his
perceived "rivals" in this manner, then it is Barks who is paranoid.

> There's something afoot now that he has some "agents" managing his
> affairs now that his wife is no longer around to control him. You saw
> how he's decided to write a new story and have Van Horn draw it.
>
This should present no problem for you, any more than do the duck
stories created by other writer/artist teams, unless he uses the
opportunity to undermine some of your own stories. Even then, however,
you have made the point that the "modern" stories are not meant to have
continuity with one another, so that possibility too ought not give
you grounds for concern. (But if he does go out of his way to slam
you in the new story, for instance by having Scrooge want to return to
Tra La La because he has been there only once, then your concern about
Barks would certainly be proven.)

> Now, a few weeks after a large article appeared in CBG which told, in
> part, of my popularity in Scandanavia, his agent has contacted Egmont
> and told them that Barks wants to visit Scandanavia for a tour (and
> wants to be paid, etc.).
>
In the article, you very graciously pointed out that the Scandanavians
have a great fondness for the Barks ducks, as distinct from the Disney
ducks. Maybe Barks just wants to cash in on his own popularity now
that you have pointed out to him the extent of the market there. Of
course, he does so by exploiting you to some extent, since certainly
your own stories have helped keep the duck market alive there. Still,
his motives in scheduling this tour are more likely greed than hostility
towards you.

> This on top of the things he's said about me to foreign magazines.
>
I don't know what these things are, so I can't comment on whether you
should be paranoid about them. If he really just doesn't like your
work, then it is certainly understandable that he should say so. Have
you never dismissed other duck artists' work in interviews? Or are his
comments more nearly ad hominem attacks rather than artistic differ-
ences? (It should also be noted that in some interviews you have
**praised** the work of certain other duck artists - has Barks ever
done that? Does he actually like Van Horn's work, or is he merely
tolerating it for the sake of producing the new story?) If he does
single you out for criticism, is it because he considers your work to
be too derivative of his own? Is it because your attention to detail
is an example of "underground" (i.e., "new") comics art to which the
old-timers can't relate? Or is it because he does in fact perceive
your popularity to be a threat to his reputation as "**the** good
artist" who created all the best duck stories?

> All I've ever tried to do is honor the guy, and here he's becoming
> the "evil genius" of my life.
>
I doubt that he's dedicating the rest of his life to being your bete
noire. More likely, he's dedicating it to firming up his own claims
to comics immortality and to raking in all the loot he can get. If
he does seem to be out to get you, then it's maybe just because your
popularity gets in the way of this grand scheme.

> Why's he got it in for me of all people?
>
Maybe he doesn't have it in for you in particular, but just for anyone
who might siphon off some of the glory and/or cash which would otherwise
come his way. For all I know, maybe he has it in for Stan Lee, Jack
Kirby, Todd McFarland, Neil Gaiman,... Has he said anything about
other comics artists in general in the interviews in which he comes
down on your work?

> I guess it's time to remove the "D.U.C.K." dedication from my stories
> and covers, eh?
>
Probably not, since the fact that these are duck stories, rather than
stories featuring your original characters, is in fact a dedication to
Barks' work. Of course, there's always a fine line between homage and
rip-off, and maybe Barks sees your work as being on the wrong side of
that line. (Again, this would be paranoia on his part rather than
yours.) The "D.U.C.K." dedication shows what your intentions are, and
I think it's proper to make them clear in that manner.

Wilmer Rivers
rivers at seismo.css.gov