Comment on Miss Penny Wise
> I checked out that WDC&S #164 and saw the use of "Miss Penny
>Wise" who holds a note (i.e. a signed debt) from $crooge that would ruin
>him if she called it in... he would owe her his "entire fortune".
> This is just too off-the-wall to give any credence to!
Of course it is. Scrooge talks like an old man usually does. Havent you for
instance been to a match or competition and there someone says Everything
is lost, let us fall down and die, we have nothing more to live for etc.
That is just a figure of speech, just a way of using language. We all know
that there is more to live for, there is no use to die, and even if you
lost this time, you may win at another. We, the readers, should laugh a
little when Scrooge whimps like that, because we KNOW that Scrooge feels
like losing his entire fortune whenever it is about him owing some small
amount of money to another. As I have said before, you should almost never
take Scrooge literally.
The situation must be that there is either a debt or else something that is
too painful for Scrooge to talk about - although other people do not find
that painful - that makes him behave like he does. Usually different people
find different things painful, and on quite irrational grounds, at least it
is felt irrational for other ones if they get to understand the situation.
Sorry that I have this irrational inclination to try to explain everything
by Barks...
Geir Hasnes
Author
Topic: 199308
(72 messages)
Geir.Hasnes
Miss Penny Wise
Message 46 -
1993-08-18 at 16:17:42
Don Rosa
+Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #77.
Message 47 -
1993-08-18 at 16:18:09
Harry:
You're asking me to further explain how I view the continuity
problems of current stories. My whole point is not to even worry about
those problems! If you want to beleive that $crooge visited Plain Awful
or saw Goldie again, go ahead. If you choose not to believe something in
a story, don't. I have puh-lenty of people sore at me already for even
putting PAST history into a sensible time-line... lotsa Duck fans are
militantly opposed to me even trying to go THAT far. You seem to want to
go further, but I decided to stop where I did. Besides, as I keep
saying, it is flatly IMPOSSIBLE to make sense out of every single
$crooge story ever done -- why bother? I'm probably silly to go to as
much trouble as I have.
Let me at least hear someone admit that it IS impossible to make
perfect sense out of every one of Barks' $crooge stories when put all
together. Do we at least realize that there ARE blatant contradictions
since Barks never intended for there to be any continuity?
You're asking me to further explain how I view the continuity
problems of current stories. My whole point is not to even worry about
those problems! If you want to beleive that $crooge visited Plain Awful
or saw Goldie again, go ahead. If you choose not to believe something in
a story, don't. I have puh-lenty of people sore at me already for even
putting PAST history into a sensible time-line... lotsa Duck fans are
militantly opposed to me even trying to go THAT far. You seem to want to
go further, but I decided to stop where I did. Besides, as I keep
saying, it is flatly IMPOSSIBLE to make sense out of every single
$crooge story ever done -- why bother? I'm probably silly to go to as
much trouble as I have.
Let me at least hear someone admit that it IS impossible to make
perfect sense out of every one of Barks' $crooge stories when put all
together. Do we at least realize that there ARE blatant contradictions
since Barks never intended for there to be any continuity?
Wilmer Rivers
Rosa's approach to inconsistencies
Message 48 -
1993-08-18 at 17:18:31
Don Rosa writes:
> Let me at least hear someone admit that it IS impossible to make
> perfect sense out of every one of Barks' $crooge stories when put all
> together. Do we at least realize that there ARE blatant contradictions
> since Barks never intended for there to be any continuity?
>
O.K., I'll be that someone to admit it's impossible.
The problem has always been that some stories do require, or at least
benefit from, familiarity with a certain collective memory of duck lore,
but most of the stories have to be considered independently or else
they would be contradictory. The approach which Don Rosa has described,
as I understand it, is to (1) try to codify the critical elements of
the history to which reference is made in the stories as being a
genuine time-line of past events, and (2) have each "modern" story
happen around 1955, after which it vanishes from memory so that the next
story can happen in 1955 too with no effect of the previous one. (Is
this in fact the scheme?) Treating the stories as alternate possible
realities, but all drawing on the same history, is probably the best
way to consider them. (You can compare this to the many-worlds inter-
pretation of quantum mechanics, if you wish, but why bother.) I would
endorse this approach rather than following DC comics' approach to
resolving all continuity conflicts by imposing a Crisis in Infinite
Duckburgs, or some other unsatisfactory tinkering with the plot lines.
Wilmer Rivers
rivers at seismo.css.gov
> Let me at least hear someone admit that it IS impossible to make
> perfect sense out of every one of Barks' $crooge stories when put all
> together. Do we at least realize that there ARE blatant contradictions
> since Barks never intended for there to be any continuity?
>
O.K., I'll be that someone to admit it's impossible.
The problem has always been that some stories do require, or at least
benefit from, familiarity with a certain collective memory of duck lore,
but most of the stories have to be considered independently or else
they would be contradictory. The approach which Don Rosa has described,
as I understand it, is to (1) try to codify the critical elements of
the history to which reference is made in the stories as being a
genuine time-line of past events, and (2) have each "modern" story
happen around 1955, after which it vanishes from memory so that the next
story can happen in 1955 too with no effect of the previous one. (Is
this in fact the scheme?) Treating the stories as alternate possible
realities, but all drawing on the same history, is probably the best
way to consider them. (You can compare this to the many-worlds inter-
pretation of quantum mechanics, if you wish, but why bother.) I would
endorse this approach rather than following DC comics' approach to
resolving all continuity conflicts by imposing a Crisis in Infinite
Duckburgs, or some other unsatisfactory tinkering with the plot lines.
Wilmer Rivers
rivers at seismo.css.gov
Harry Fluks
Continuity problems
Message 49 -
1993-08-20 at 10:11:39
Don Rosa:
> Let me at least hear someone admit that it IS impossible to make
> perfect sense out of every one of Barks' $crooge stories when put all
> together. Do we at least realize that there ARE blatant contradictions
> since Barks never intended for there to be any continuity?
OK, it is impossible to make sense out of everything, but I like to go as
far as possible, which includes many of the 'present' happenings in
Barks stories.
And of course, there's no reason to be "historically correct" at all cost:
if a story needs a certain switch to make it better, why object?
BTW: I always liked the story with Penny Wise. In the first Dutch translation
(in the 50s), she was a "flat-foot specialist", and Scrooge was worried
that she might reveal some facts. So no money involved there.
(In the reprint in 1978 however, the Dutch chose to translate Barks as literal
as possible.)
--Harry.
> Let me at least hear someone admit that it IS impossible to make
> perfect sense out of every one of Barks' $crooge stories when put all
> together. Do we at least realize that there ARE blatant contradictions
> since Barks never intended for there to be any continuity?
OK, it is impossible to make sense out of everything, but I like to go as
far as possible, which includes many of the 'present' happenings in
Barks stories.
And of course, there's no reason to be "historically correct" at all cost:
if a story needs a certain switch to make it better, why object?
BTW: I always liked the story with Penny Wise. In the first Dutch translation
(in the 50s), she was a "flat-foot specialist", and Scrooge was worried
that she might reveal some facts. So no money involved there.
(In the reprint in 1978 however, the Dutch chose to translate Barks as literal
as possible.)
--Harry.
Per Starback
Tony Strobl dead
Message 50 -
1993-08-20 at 18:41:31
Here follows a quote from Jerry Stratton's on-going report from the
San Diego comics con that he sends to The Comics List Weekly (another
mailing list):
> An Appeal for Tony Strobl
>
> Who? Someone is campaigning to gain recognition for Tony
> Strobl. The appeal claims that "for over 30 years, Tony
> Strobl was the artist of comic book stories for Western
> Publishing and the Disney Studio Program." He has "been
> neglected, eclipsed by the attention paid to the better-
> known Barks, Gottfredson and Murry." Strobl died recently.
> (Or, his "death was recently announced." Perhaps they've
> been keeping it a secret. This would explain why Rob Liefeld
> is unable to meet his deadlines: he's writing for
> Gladstone.) The anonymous campaigner has decided on Donald
> Duck in Mathmagicland as a rallying point. You can write,
> preferably politely, to Gladstone Comics, PO Box 2079,
> Prescott AZ 86302. I'll defer the worthiness of this cause
> to those who are more versed in duck lore than I.
Another one bites the dust then, *sigh*. There have been near
contacts between Tony Strobl and Swedish "duckdom", and for awhile he
got visiting Swedes rather frequently, I think. (Not me, though.)
There'll be a special panel "Disney Fandom 1993 -- A Rebirth?" at San
Diego later today (Friday) by the way. I hope someone from the list
is there and will report from it. Don, you are there at least, right?
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
San Diego comics con that he sends to The Comics List Weekly (another
mailing list):
> An Appeal for Tony Strobl
>
> Who? Someone is campaigning to gain recognition for Tony
> Strobl. The appeal claims that "for over 30 years, Tony
> Strobl was the artist of comic book stories for Western
> Publishing and the Disney Studio Program." He has "been
> neglected, eclipsed by the attention paid to the better-
> known Barks, Gottfredson and Murry." Strobl died recently.
> (Or, his "death was recently announced." Perhaps they've
> been keeping it a secret. This would explain why Rob Liefeld
> is unable to meet his deadlines: he's writing for
> Gladstone.) The anonymous campaigner has decided on Donald
> Duck in Mathmagicland as a rallying point. You can write,
> preferably politely, to Gladstone Comics, PO Box 2079,
> Prescott AZ 86302. I'll defer the worthiness of this cause
> to those who are more versed in duck lore than I.
Another one bites the dust then, *sigh*. There have been near
contacts between Tony Strobl and Swedish "duckdom", and for awhile he
got visiting Swedes rather frequently, I think. (Not me, though.)
There'll be a special panel "Disney Fandom 1993 -- A Rebirth?" at San
Diego later today (Friday) by the way. I hope someone from the list
is there and will report from it. Don, you are there at least, right?
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
Per Starback
Penny Wise, continuity, and Italian stuff
Message 51 -
1993-08-21 at 00:44:45
Penny Wise
~~~~~~~~~~
I think Barks has written his share of bad stories, but I certainly
don't count this one among them. It's funny---that's enough for me.
("Umlx Cyzk bcoufsk goo!") Who cares if Scrooge acts a bit strange
(if he really does that)? This is a *Donald* story.
Continuity:
~~~~~~~~~~~
Don:
> Let me at least hear someone admit that it IS impossible to make
> perfect sense out of every one of Barks' $crooge stories when put all
> together. Do we at least realize that there ARE blatant contradictions
> since Barks never intended for there to be any continuity?
Yes I agree. Doesn't everyone? I think your attitude of not
worrying about the continuity problems of *your* stories is the only
sane one. And that is of course what Disney writers, including Barks,
always have done. Only a few things are the same or evolve slowly
between the stories, but most of it can change in *any* way between
stories. If you're being *too* nitpicky about continuity with an
established map of Duckburg and floor-plan of Daisy's house and
whatever when creating new stories they will suffer of course.
BUT on the other hand, I see nothing wrong with trying to do maps and
stuff like that when it's just for the fun of it. I'm not afraid
about turning into "geeks like those that populate science-fiction
fandom" to quote Don again. (And I don't think that was very fair by
the way, except perhaps if you mean subfandoms like Star Trek fandom. :-)
Italian stories
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Fredrik:
> [...] That one is an Italian comic spanning over more than two
> hundred pages to tell the story of how Scrooge went to the Olympic
> Games in Seoul 1988. [...] The art is pretty OK, but the story is far
> too long to be interesting in the long run. In Sweden it was published
> in one part in Kalle Ankas Pocket 98 while in Italy it was probably
> split up in several parts. The number is I1708.
If Topolino 1708 wasn't some giant size issue, it was split up,
because the Topolino's are "only" 196 pages, including covers and ads
etc. The classics are built up more or less the same way with a
beginning, a middle and an ending with a climax that brings together
all threads in the story. It seems to be pretty common in Italy with
longer stories that aren't like that, but are more like slices of life
that could be interrupted more or less anywhere. Well, there are some
kind of endings of course, but I get the impression of them being like
the endings of soap opera episodes opera. Some things are concluded,
but there are more to come.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.[se
"You know, I always felt I should have been an actor, and I could let
out my secret dreams and frustrations through Donald, a little bit at
least." -- Tony Strobl (1915--1993)
~~~~~~~~~~
I think Barks has written his share of bad stories, but I certainly
don't count this one among them. It's funny---that's enough for me.
("Umlx Cyzk bcoufsk goo!") Who cares if Scrooge acts a bit strange
(if he really does that)? This is a *Donald* story.
Continuity:
~~~~~~~~~~~
Don:
> Let me at least hear someone admit that it IS impossible to make
> perfect sense out of every one of Barks' $crooge stories when put all
> together. Do we at least realize that there ARE blatant contradictions
> since Barks never intended for there to be any continuity?
Yes I agree. Doesn't everyone? I think your attitude of not
worrying about the continuity problems of *your* stories is the only
sane one. And that is of course what Disney writers, including Barks,
always have done. Only a few things are the same or evolve slowly
between the stories, but most of it can change in *any* way between
stories. If you're being *too* nitpicky about continuity with an
established map of Duckburg and floor-plan of Daisy's house and
whatever when creating new stories they will suffer of course.
BUT on the other hand, I see nothing wrong with trying to do maps and
stuff like that when it's just for the fun of it. I'm not afraid
about turning into "geeks like those that populate science-fiction
fandom" to quote Don again. (And I don't think that was very fair by
the way, except perhaps if you mean subfandoms like Star Trek fandom. :-)
Italian stories
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Fredrik:
> [...] That one is an Italian comic spanning over more than two
> hundred pages to tell the story of how Scrooge went to the Olympic
> Games in Seoul 1988. [...] The art is pretty OK, but the story is far
> too long to be interesting in the long run. In Sweden it was published
> in one part in Kalle Ankas Pocket 98 while in Italy it was probably
> split up in several parts. The number is I1708.
If Topolino 1708 wasn't some giant size issue, it was split up,
because the Topolino's are "only" 196 pages, including covers and ads
etc. The classics are built up more or less the same way with a
beginning, a middle and an ending with a climax that brings together
all threads in the story. It seems to be pretty common in Italy with
longer stories that aren't like that, but are more like slices of life
that could be interrupted more or less anywhere. Well, there are some
kind of endings of course, but I get the impression of them being like
the endings of soap opera episodes opera. Some things are concluded,
but there are more to come.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.[se
"You know, I always felt I should have been an actor, and I could let
out my secret dreams and frustrations through Donald, a little bit at
least." -- Tony Strobl (1915--1993)
Per Starback
The Uncensored Mouse
Message 52 -
1993-08-22 at 11:51:46
The two issues of "The Uncensored Mouse" that Eternity published with
Mickey Mouse comics strips that were in the public domain are
currently being discussed in rec.arts.comics.misc. (Well, all of it
were *not* in the public domain, as Disney was able to stop them, but
most it was.)
Exactly what stories were in those issues? The Mystery Island (the
very first one), I've gathered, but what more?
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
Mickey Mouse comics strips that were in the public domain are
currently being discussed in rec.arts.comics.misc. (Well, all of it
were *not* in the public domain, as Disney was able to stop them, but
most it was.)
Exactly what stories were in those issues? The Mystery Island (the
very first one), I've gathered, but what more?
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at student.docs.uu.se
Wilmer Rivers
My 2 cents worth on Penny Wise
Message 53 -
1993-08-23 at 09:11:20
I agree with Geir Hasnes, who reminds us that Scrooge's protestations of
pending financial ruin at the hands of Miss Penny Wise are probably just
a gross exageration - even if he owed her only $100, he would carry on
the same way, claiming that she would call in her note for his entire
fortune. I also agree with Per that this is a funny Donald story and we
shouldn't make too much of what it implies about Scrooge's past business
dealings. However, Harry Fluks does raise some intriguing possibilities:
> And about Penny Wise: couldn't she have some paper that would make her the
> owner of the golden teeth of one of Scrooge's ancestors? Or maybe even
> the owner of a certain Golden Helmet, so that she would own America?
> (the document would then state that the actual helmet need not be around.)
> Just a thought...
>
Or, maybe Miss Wise has inherited from Cyrus Coot (?) the genuine deed
to the hill on which Scrooge's money bin sits? It would be just like
Scrooge to have been too cheap to pay for a full title search before
building on the land! Then Scrooge could in fact have his entire
fortune claimed by Miss Wise, just as he once could have had it claimed
(or so he feared) by Grandpa Beagle when the money was buried in the
wrong plot of ground. At some time in the past, Scrooge discovered his
mistake, and so he negotiated a deal with Miss Wise (who seems like an
easy-to-please character, although quite eccentric) whereby she wouldn't
call in her claim on his land so long as she had a residence of her own
elsewhere, and of course Donald brings that agreement to an end when he
destroys her house. O.K. that's far-fetched, but then so is the whole
premise that Donald demonstrates this super-potent flour to only 3
customers, and they are all in a position to cause much harm to Scrooge.
My own favorite is actually the first customer, the grocer Mr. McChain.
Scrooge says, "I hope Donald didn't make any blunders here! Endless
McChain could be my biggest customer!" Endless McChain, indeed! This
is funny for its modern-day implications, if you consider the flour to
be the principal ingredient in hamburger buns!
Wilmer Rivers
umlx at cyzk.bcoufsk.goo
pending financial ruin at the hands of Miss Penny Wise are probably just
a gross exageration - even if he owed her only $100, he would carry on
the same way, claiming that she would call in her note for his entire
fortune. I also agree with Per that this is a funny Donald story and we
shouldn't make too much of what it implies about Scrooge's past business
dealings. However, Harry Fluks does raise some intriguing possibilities:
> And about Penny Wise: couldn't she have some paper that would make her the
> owner of the golden teeth of one of Scrooge's ancestors? Or maybe even
> the owner of a certain Golden Helmet, so that she would own America?
> (the document would then state that the actual helmet need not be around.)
> Just a thought...
>
Or, maybe Miss Wise has inherited from Cyrus Coot (?) the genuine deed
to the hill on which Scrooge's money bin sits? It would be just like
Scrooge to have been too cheap to pay for a full title search before
building on the land! Then Scrooge could in fact have his entire
fortune claimed by Miss Wise, just as he once could have had it claimed
(or so he feared) by Grandpa Beagle when the money was buried in the
wrong plot of ground. At some time in the past, Scrooge discovered his
mistake, and so he negotiated a deal with Miss Wise (who seems like an
easy-to-please character, although quite eccentric) whereby she wouldn't
call in her claim on his land so long as she had a residence of her own
elsewhere, and of course Donald brings that agreement to an end when he
destroys her house. O.K. that's far-fetched, but then so is the whole
premise that Donald demonstrates this super-potent flour to only 3
customers, and they are all in a position to cause much harm to Scrooge.
My own favorite is actually the first customer, the grocer Mr. McChain.
Scrooge says, "I hope Donald didn't make any blunders here! Endless
McChain could be my biggest customer!" Endless McChain, indeed! This
is funny for its modern-day implications, if you consider the flour to
be the principal ingredient in hamburger buns!
Wilmer Rivers
umlx at cyzk.bcoufsk.goo
Don Rosa
+Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #78.
Message 54 -
1993-08-23 at 15:55:31
Geir:
Well, I do treat a few of the "facts" that $crooge remembered
from his past as exaggerations in order to "ignore" them, but sometimes
the facts come in a flashback which is harder to explain away, unless I
say this is a view from $crooge's faulty memory rather than us viewing
the actual past. But again... I don't analyze it so much -- if I can't
get it to work, I just skip it. This Miss Penny Wise business is tricky
and sorta irritating to deal with since it was just a tossed-off story
element in a few panels of a gag-story, which I'm not even sure the
editor didn't stick in after the fact. If $crooge says "She'll RUIN
me!", I can see that as an exaggereation; when he says she has a note
which will enable her to foreclose on his entire fortune, that is a VERY
SPECIFIC statement, and doesn't sound like an exaggeration. I choose to
ignore the whole thing... or I'll just say that it's something that
happened after the events of my series, and let somebody else deal with
it.
Wilmer Rivers seems to sum up my attitude about the Duck
continuity just right, and I'll try to remember how he phrases it in the
future. Yes, I see current stories as many possible stories which stem
from the same past history, but none of which take place in the same
timeline. I like to be arrogant enough to think my stories take place in
Barks' past timeline... but I'd rather not think they take place in the
timeline of all those stories throughout decades of DAISY AND DONALD or
BEAGLE BOYS VS. UNCLE $CROOGE or all those other awful Gold Key comics.
Well, I do treat a few of the "facts" that $crooge remembered
from his past as exaggerations in order to "ignore" them, but sometimes
the facts come in a flashback which is harder to explain away, unless I
say this is a view from $crooge's faulty memory rather than us viewing
the actual past. But again... I don't analyze it so much -- if I can't
get it to work, I just skip it. This Miss Penny Wise business is tricky
and sorta irritating to deal with since it was just a tossed-off story
element in a few panels of a gag-story, which I'm not even sure the
editor didn't stick in after the fact. If $crooge says "She'll RUIN
me!", I can see that as an exaggereation; when he says she has a note
which will enable her to foreclose on his entire fortune, that is a VERY
SPECIFIC statement, and doesn't sound like an exaggeration. I choose to
ignore the whole thing... or I'll just say that it's something that
happened after the events of my series, and let somebody else deal with
it.
Wilmer Rivers seems to sum up my attitude about the Duck
continuity just right, and I'll try to remember how he phrases it in the
future. Yes, I see current stories as many possible stories which stem
from the same past history, but none of which take place in the same
timeline. I like to be arrogant enough to think my stories take place in
Barks' past timeline... but I'd rather not think they take place in the
timeline of all those stories throughout decades of DAISY AND DONALD or
BEAGLE BOYS VS. UNCLE $CROOGE or all those other awful Gold Key comics.
Don Rosa
+Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #81.
Message 55 -
1993-08-24 at 08:37:35
To Wilmer:
Well, though I was saying that $crooge's remark sounds awfully
specific to be an exaggeration, you got me to thinking I should agree
that he IS exaggererating -- that he only owes Penny Wise $100 or
something -- and that's all the more reason to ignore the whole deal.
I LOVE to hear people's ideas for stories... I've used them once
or twice! But P. Wise couldn't have a deed to Killmotor Hill. I dealt
with that matter in HIS MAJESTY McDUCK and reiterate it several times in
this series. $crooge owns that hill, free and clear.
Well, though I was saying that $crooge's remark sounds awfully
specific to be an exaggeration, you got me to thinking I should agree
that he IS exaggererating -- that he only owes Penny Wise $100 or
something -- and that's all the more reason to ignore the whole deal.
I LOVE to hear people's ideas for stories... I've used them once
or twice! But P. Wise couldn't have a deed to Killmotor Hill. I dealt
with that matter in HIS MAJESTY McDUCK and reiterate it several times in
this series. $crooge owns that hill, free and clear.
Jerry Stratton
San Diego Report: SDCC Saturday
Message 56 -
1993-08-24 at 20:31:44
Fear and Loathing in San Diego: The San Diego Comic
Convention Day 3
[...]
Barks & Rosa
The Calisota Handbook on the Works of Barks & Rosa is here.
It claims to be 36 pages of indexes and charts listing all
the Barks and Rosa stories, and where to find them in
reprints. You can find it at your local comic shop, or by
mail from Calisota, 5601 20th Avenue N.W., Naples, FL 33999.
Send $3.50 and ".50 cents Postage and Handling if ordering
alone."
[...]
Convention Day 3
[...]
Barks & Rosa
The Calisota Handbook on the Works of Barks & Rosa is here.
It claims to be 36 pages of indexes and charts listing all
the Barks and Rosa stories, and where to find them in
reprints. You can find it at your local comic shop, or by
mail from Calisota, 5601 20th Avenue N.W., Naples, FL 33999.
Send $3.50 and ".50 cents Postage and Handling if ordering
alone."
[...]
Fredrik Ekman
Uncensored Mouse
Message 57 -
1993-08-25 at 15:44:48
Received: from pollux.lu.se by pcpost1.hk-r.se with SMTP
id AA888 ; Wed, 25 Aug 93 10:29:22 +0100
Per wrote:
>Exactly what stories were in [the two issues of "The Uncensored
>Mouse" that Eternity published]? The Mystery Island (the very
>first one), I've gathered, but what more?
Well, I have read those issues but I don't have them readily
available. However, since noone else seems to have answered this
I might just as well give it a try.
"The Mysterious Island" was indeed one of them and it filled up the
first issue and part of the second as well. The rest of the second
issue consisted of what I believe to be the very second MM story.
I'm not sure about the title (and so far as I remember, "Uncensored"
contains no titles) but it is the first story with Sylvester Shyster
where Minnie gets to inherit some old uncle. This story, which is
very good (and especially compared to the somewhat confused "Mys-
terious Island") is unfortunately cut short at the end of issue two.
And about Disney sueing the socks off Eternity, I would have thought
that that was because MM is a trademark of theirs or something to
that effect. Does anyone know which parts weren't PD?
/Fredrik
id AA888 ; Wed, 25 Aug 93 10:29:22 +0100
Per wrote:
>Exactly what stories were in [the two issues of "The Uncensored
>Mouse" that Eternity published]? The Mystery Island (the very
>first one), I've gathered, but what more?
Well, I have read those issues but I don't have them readily
available. However, since noone else seems to have answered this
I might just as well give it a try.
"The Mysterious Island" was indeed one of them and it filled up the
first issue and part of the second as well. The rest of the second
issue consisted of what I believe to be the very second MM story.
I'm not sure about the title (and so far as I remember, "Uncensored"
contains no titles) but it is the first story with Sylvester Shyster
where Minnie gets to inherit some old uncle. This story, which is
very good (and especially compared to the somewhat confused "Mys-
terious Island") is unfortunately cut short at the end of issue two.
And about Disney sueing the socks off Eternity, I would have thought
that that was because MM is a trademark of theirs or something to
that effect. Does anyone know which parts weren't PD?
/Fredrik
George Kesidis
Uncensored Mouse
Message 58 -
1993-08-25 at 18:15:02
Continuing from Fredrick's comments. Uncensored Mouse #2 (I don't
know the title of the second story) ends in a cliff hanger.
Disney did attempt to sue Eternity on the grounds of a trademark
violation and I think Eternity dropped the title and recalled
UM #2 because it wasn't worth fighting about (this is why UM #2
is harder to find). Just as interesting as Gottfredson's
excellent intial two MM stories (ca. 1930) are the essays in UM
1 and 2 which rag on Disney for not giving Gottfredson (and Barks)
more recognition and $$ for their work and lament the
transformation of Mickey into a yuppie corporate spokesman.
I've been meaning to go to the local library and try to
find the MM serial in an old newspaper on microfiche (Eternity
found them in the Oakland Tribune). I highly recommend these
two comics to you guys (they used go for $10 each but I now
sometimes see them in "quarter" bins).
-George
know the title of the second story) ends in a cliff hanger.
Disney did attempt to sue Eternity on the grounds of a trademark
violation and I think Eternity dropped the title and recalled
UM #2 because it wasn't worth fighting about (this is why UM #2
is harder to find). Just as interesting as Gottfredson's
excellent intial two MM stories (ca. 1930) are the essays in UM
1 and 2 which rag on Disney for not giving Gottfredson (and Barks)
more recognition and $$ for their work and lament the
transformation of Mickey into a yuppie corporate spokesman.
I've been meaning to go to the local library and try to
find the MM serial in an old newspaper on microfiche (Eternity
found them in the Oakland Tribune). I highly recommend these
two comics to you guys (they used go for $10 each but I now
sometimes see them in "quarter" bins).
-George
Torsten Wesley Adair
Some info from the San Diego Comicon
Message 59 -
1993-08-26 at 02:02:08
I found this in rec.arts.comics.misc. This is from one of the reports
which was too large for Comics-l.
I make no endorsement nor condemnation of the following product.
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
which was too large for Comics-l.
I make no endorsement nor condemnation of the following product.
Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA
Don Rosa
+Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #83.
Message 60 -
1993-08-26 at 14:17:29
COMMENTS:
THE UNCENSORED MOUSE -- yes, you have an insight into how Disney
gets its way here. The Mickey strips were in public domain and the way
Disney prevents the use of all its old material that is in PD is by
saying "we'll sue you. We'll lose. It will take you 20 years and
$15,000,000 in lawyer and court fees to beat us. What'll it be? "
And that CALISOTA HANDBOOK OF THE WORKS OF BARKS AND ROSA... I
wouldn't recommend that too quickly. It's a tiny, tiny pamphlet which
should cost about 35 cents, not $3.50 But if you wish to pay $3.50 for
what you can get for free out of your computer-file library here, go to
it.
THE UNCENSORED MOUSE -- yes, you have an insight into how Disney
gets its way here. The Mickey strips were in public domain and the way
Disney prevents the use of all its old material that is in PD is by
saying "we'll sue you. We'll lose. It will take you 20 years and
$15,000,000 in lawyer and court fees to beat us. What'll it be? "
And that CALISOTA HANDBOOK OF THE WORKS OF BARKS AND ROSA... I
wouldn't recommend that too quickly. It's a tiny, tiny pamphlet which
should cost about 35 cents, not $3.50 But if you wish to pay $3.50 for
what you can get for free out of your computer-file library here, go to
it.