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Contents:

David Gerstein German supplements
Torsten Adair Re: German supplements
Don Rosa +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #170.
Harry Fluks new files on ftp
Geir Hasnes The great libraries story
Even Flood Re: The great library story
Kjetil T. Homme +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #170.

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 93 19:53:41 -0500
From: David A Gerstein <David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu>
Subject: German supplements

Dear Folks,

Don Rosa, discussing Disney comics in Germany, stated that
there, like Finland and Sweden, their weekly comic "also do[es]n't have
supplement issues."

Actually, Ehapa *does* put out supplements, but they simply do
it about half as often as other Egmont affiliates (about once every
two months, rather than once a month).

There have been such specials as:

"Micky Maus Super-Sommer-Sonderheft" (including the Barks MM
story "Riddle of the Red Hat" and some Danish Ducks);
"DuckTales" (actually a collection of Barks Scrooge shorts,
despite its title);
"Bundesliga-Stars 1992" (I kid you not, a full 32 pages of
photographs of soccer stars);
"Zurueck nach dem Steinzeit" (one of the three 44-page Egmont
time travel stories, by Vicar, published alone... I don't think the
other two have ever seen print there. This one wasn't printed with
the new Dutch opening and closing, though... just as it was originally
made, even though it felt incomplete);
and undoubtedly the best:
"Micky Maus und der Geist der Gorillas" (or: In Search of
Jungle Treasure, a Gottfredson story banned over here, presented
COMPLETE in the issue, in its original strip form (the book reads
oblong), together with a long article about Gottfredson). Talk about
a special... and all this for a mere 75 cents more than the regular
edition!)

So you see, there are special supplements in Germany. So why
did the Germans not make the Lo$ into the supplement that Egmont
offered them? Simple... they were planning to wait to print ANY Lo$
until they could launch it as an album series. It was not originally
to appear in the weekly comic. But eventually they decided it was
better to run it in the weekly first... why not make *MORE* money,
especially when in Deutschland people will buy ANYTHING with a Duck or
Mouse on it?

(BTW: Mickey has equal popularity to Donald in Germany... the
German weekly has battled the problem of too few Egmont MM stories by
re-reprinting many Paul Murry stories, and often the Germans won't
print the cover Egmont offers them in favor of doing their own MM
cover for the weekly... a good idea, but usually terribly drawn! In
Germany two of the three regular comics have Mickey's name in the
title, and as of this decade have given MM equal exposure on the
cover.)

Zassall for now...

Your pal,

David Gerstein

"The only way to get ahead of Mickey Mouse is to *run* in
*front* of him!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 19:13:35 -0600 (CST)
From: Torsten Wesley Adair <torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu>
Subject: Re: German supplements

On Mon, 29 Nov 1993, David A Gerstein wrote:
> Dear Folks,
> Don Rosa, discussing Disney comics in Germany, stated that
> there, like Finland and Sweden, their weekly comic "also do[es]n't have
> supplement issues."
> Actually, Ehapa *does* put out supplements, but they simply do
> it about half as often as other Egmont affiliates (about once every
> two months, rather than once a month).
> There have been such specials as:

[...]

> "Bundesliga-Stars 1992" (I kid you not, a full 32 pages of
> photographs of soccer stars);

Hey, if Gladstone (actually, it's some other name, starts with an "H") can
publish "Charles Barkley and the Referee Murders", then why not a book of
Bundesliga stars? I'm surprised someone hasn't done the same here with
the NFL, NBA, NHL, NBL, ETC.

> So you see, there are special supplements in Germany. So why
> did the Germans not make the Lo$ into the supplement that Egmont
> offered them? Simple... they were planning to wait to print ANY Lo$
> until they could launch it as an album series. It was not originally
> to appear in the weekly comic. But eventually they decided it was
> better to run it in the weekly first... why not make *MORE* money,
> especially when in Deutschland people will buy ANYTHING with a Duck or
> Mouse on it?

Or a Rabbit, or a bug. putt-putt-putt...

> (BTW: Mickey has equal popularity to Donald in Germany... the
> German weekly has battled the problem of too few Egmont MM stories by
> re-reprinting many Paul Murry stories, and often the Germans won't
> print the cover Egmont offers them in favor of doing their own MM
> cover for the weekly... a good idea, but usually terribly drawn! In
> Germany two of the three regular comics have Mickey's name in the
> title, and as of this decade have given MM equal exposure on the
> cover.)

I've noticed the awful MM artwork inside. The covers, however, have been
very professional and "on model". I thought the Donald Duck cover with
the baby dinosaur was cute. (sorry Don, I'll won't use that word again.)

So, what did the German readers think of the undersea voyage of Donald Duck?
I liked the story, but isn't it Standard Operating Procedure for Donald to
loose in the end? Or is it acceptable for Donald to win by sheer dumb
luck? I thought that was Goofy's domain. I would have expanded the story
by having whats-her-name sweet-talk Donald into doing dangerous things,
like going into a shark cage and filming sharks underwater.

Torsten Adair torsten at cwis.unomaha.edu Omaha, NE, USA

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Date: 30 Nov 93 00:48:01 EST
From: Don Rosa <72260.2635 at CompuServe.COM>
Subject: +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #170.

David:

Are you telling me that it is permitted to use PERIODS in a
Disney comic??? When did that start? Lordy, two panels never go by that
I wish I was allowed to use a period instead of an exclamation! But
all-exclamations are the tradition.

And please take it easy on this "count down" to U$ #285! The
first chapter of Lo$ is only 15 pages and it's been said it's kinduva
slow start-off. You'll work yourself up into expecting WAR AND PEACE and
you'll be very disappointed in me!

And do you think an ape would NOT eat a flea if he found one?
Besides, lice are banned because Injuns have 'em.

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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 11:00:30 +0100
From: Harry Fluks <H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl>
Subject: new files on ftp

On ftp.lysator.liu.se:/pub/comics/disney there are some new versions of our
index files. I put the Gladstone index and the Disney Comics index in one file:
gladstone-disney.index. The 'creators' file has also been adjusted.

Gladstone's 1st period is now almost complete!
Thanks to Mark Semich and David Gerstein.

There are a few other updates to come:

- a new version of the Danish index by Ole Reichstein Nielsen
- a new version of the file 'story-codes' (at last).

Per hasn't put these files on the ftp site yet, but I expect they will be
there soon.

--Harry.

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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 13:02:21 +0100
From: Geir.Hasnes at DELAB.SINTEF.no
Subject: The great libraries story

I include a letter I got from a friend working in the National Library
Service of Norway. He is representing Norway in an international committee
on standards for paper so that it can be preserved. I hunger for your
comments, Don!

"To Geir Hasnes:

I received the special Donald Duck edition from Statsbygg (Norwegian State
Buidings institution), and was ordered to study it closely. Some people
there opinionated that 7 shelves of books were too much for as short a
person as Scrooge McDuck.

I have given this comment:

The National Library Service has studied closely the problems with seven
heights of shelves in the underground book store. The usual solution would
be an aeroplane stairway like tree construction, normally done in mahogany,
that can be moved around the store. If one chooses this underground as a
standard, and furnishes the libraries with mobile scaffolding, in oak or
other cheaper materials, one has to reckon with a distance of four meters
between the shelves to give room for manouvering. Eventually one may have
to organize separate courses in stairway manouvering.

Normally, rats and other rodents will concentrate on leather, parchment and
sugary book binder glue. Ruminants, on the other hand, can utilize
cellulose as nourishment. There must have been a special crossing of
cow/sheep and rat that has created the special Duckburg breed that has
preferred to digest the cellulose and until now has not touched the binding
materials. I look forward to learning more about the basis for this
sensational zoological development, that may be taken as yet one
confirmation of Darwinism."

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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 15:24:31 +0200 (METDST)
From: Even Flood <Even.Flood at due.unit.no>
Subject: Re: The great library story

In <2dfcps$l03 at ifi.uio.no>, Geir.Hasnes at DELAB.SINTEF.no writes:
>I include a letter I got from a friend working in the National Library
>Service of Norway. He is representing Norway in an international committee

A comment: The correct name is
National Office for Specialist and Research Libraries.
The "Friend" mentioned is one of the experts on
preservation of books and written material.
BTW, that was the organization Don visited when he was in
Norway and had dinner with the head, National Librarian Ben
Rugaas. They are also my employers, so I had to respond to that....

>Normally, rats and other rodents will concentrate on leather, parchment and
>sugary book binder glue. Ruminants, on the other hand, can utilize
>cellulose as nourishment.

Mayby the rodents do not eat paper, but they certainly
*can* chew it into small pieces, and they do! I know from
personal experience and have seen the sad remains of
several issues of Chemical Abstracts after mice got into
the basement in the University library in Tromso.
So that part of the story was sadly accurate.

Even

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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 15:39:19 +0100
From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme <kjetilho at ifi.uio.no>
Subject: +Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #170.

+--- Don Rosa:
| Are you telling me that it is permitted to use PERIODS in a
| Disney comic??? When did that start? Lordy, two panels never go by
| that I wish I was allowed to use a period instead of an exclamation!
| But all-exclamations are the tradition.
+-------

My goodness! Here in Norway the all-exclamation style is reserved for
the super-heroes! Well, not strictly true, you can use either
ellipsis, question marks or exclamation marks! Fortunately, in Donald
Duck we are spared that style which I personally find very tiring to
read! Mind you, there are still more exclamation marks in Donald than
in your ordinary prose!

Kjetil T!

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(End of digest.)

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David:
Your info on why they didn't use the Lo$ series in Germany right
off wasn't accurate, so I assume you were speculating. The company which
publishes the German Disney comics with my Lo$ and the company that
publishes the German Disney ALBUMS with my Lo$ are TWO SEPARATE
COMPANIES. They are both owned by Egmont and operate under Egmont's
Disney license, but they are in two different cities and operate
independant of one another (and, I'm told, don't even get along very
well).

Gier:
Just yesterday I received a FAX from your friend at the National
Offoce for Research and Special Libraries. I'm glad he sent me a nice
letter before I saw your post, since I would otherwise not been quite
certain that he was being facetious in his deep concern about how
$crooge would reach the top shelf or how my rats ate the paper. I'm
always very impressed/flattered that someone takes something I've
written seriously enough to spend time thinking about it -- and I FAXed
the fellow a page from my original storyboard-script for GUARDIANS OF
THE LOST LIBRARY where the books that the rats eat are printed on
PARCHMENT. I KNEW rats would not eat paper, but the editors felt that I
was wrong in saying that they ever printed books on parchment. So, even
though I would have to go back and check my research to see where I
found that they were able to make parchment thin enough for printing, at
least the idea that the books were printed on paper in that story was
the editor's change and not my words.

I know I sound like I gripe about this problem a lot, me having
to pay to read these Digests on Compuserve and the flukes in the system
that sometimes compound that problem. But this bounced message being
duplicated on the next Digest, and then the reposting of that Digest
without the bounced message -- why wasn't the previous Digest WITH the
bounced message then deleted? Instead of paying twice to read just ONE
message, now I've paid twice to read TWO messages. Ouch! I'm getting a
case of compounded flukes!

Greetings, Folks!

Do you own a copy of "Diamond Previews" which probably has
come to your local comic shop with the same shipment as U$ 284? If so
might you offer me and our fellow duck and rodent fans the dope
(hyuck, hyuck, hyuck) about DD #284, D&M #23, and USA #26 (as well as
anything else Gladstone is publishing, you've got me as to what!)

(If your shop doesn't order its comics from Diamond Previews
there's also Advance Comics Catalog which is very similar...)

Your friend,

David Gerstein, who is never quite sure what Gladstone will be
publishing...

AND WHO WONDERS WHEN THERE WILL BE A NEW BARKS QUOTE QUIZ!!!
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>

Here's a subject I wanted to mention some time now...

In the early days of this list, before Don Rosa joined it, Per Starback
wrote (in September 1992):

> Here are some other things on Rosa from the interview with Geoffrey
> Blum in Carl Barks & Co. #19 (translated from the Danish translation):
>
> "The first two things from Rosa I saw were 'Ghast Cow' and
> 'The Money Whirl Pool' or whatever its name was. Byron rejected
> it, he didn't like it. He thought it was too much like an older
> story. Even Byron thought the ending was too sentimental. Rosa
> also wanted to do a story where Huey, Dewey, and Louie set up to
> look for their real parents, but fortunately Byron rejected that
> one too."
>
> "The Money Whirl Pool" is really "The Money Pit" which Disney accepted
> when they asked Rosa for a story, but what on earth is "Ghast Cow"?

In later discussions, we speculated that "Ghast Cow" could be "Cash Flow".

"...it was too much like an older story." I wonder which older story was
meant?

Any comments, Don?

--Harry.
(going to celebrate Sinterklaas this weekend.)

Harry:
Byron never rejected "Cash Flow". How could he have rejected it
and also used it? I know that after 6 or so years I might begin to
forget details, but I don't recall anything about Byron or somebody not
liking "Cash Flow". Maybe it's getting mixed up with "Money Pit" somehow
since the two stories both deal with money avalanches? But, true, Byron
disliked "The Money Pit", even though I thought it was one of my best
10-pagers, that's why I submitted it again later to Bob Foster. I don't
recall Byron's objection -- I wouldn't think he said it was too much
like some other story since I can't think of what story that might be. I
seem to recall that his reasons were sorta nebulous, and I always
assumed it was because the story was a thinly veiled attack on the sort
of comic book collecting that Bruce Hamilton and his clique of buddies
are responsible for creating the foundations for.

But, hey, Harry -- I was thinking about you today while working
on this special "Donald's 60th Birthday story" I'm doing. I was
describing it to John Clark during a call about other matters, and he
pointed out that it was a shame that I was doing a story that precludes
future reprints since it deals specifically with the 60th birthday. This
got me to thinking that maybe I should ask YOU to perhaps give a call to
your contact at Oberon (the one who LIKES my stuff) and mention the
existance of this tale, and tell him that I would imagine Egmont would
allow simultaneous usage of the story this summer if Oberon would so
desire. Can you do that? (It's 16 pages.)

Dear Folks (especially Don),

Don Rosa discussed talking with John Clark about his
"Donald's 60th Birthday" story. Does this mean, Don, that Gladstone
is going to try to use the story? The mention of it "precluding
future reprint" suggests that he's NOT going to use it... at least
that's the way it sounded to me. Maybe that meant that he's going
to use it, but is sad that it won't make sense to reprint it five
years later. I hope that second thing is what he meant.

When I talked to John about 1-1/2 weeks ago, I brought up
the story with him as you mentioned I might want to do, Don. He
said, "I'd like to use it, and I can probably arrange with Egmont to
use it simultaneously or earlier than they do. But I don't want to
do that too often... I just went through all of that with the
Olympic story."

So what's happening? BTW, if you know WHICH issue DD's 60th
birthday issue will be, maybe you could tell me?

* * * * *

Speaking of the birthday, two other things. First, I've
finished "The Plot against Donald," a story by the Dutchman Mau
Heymans in which Donald thinks Daisy and Gladstone are going to get
married. This is planned by John for the 60th birthday issue, too.
We have our own HARRY FLUKS to thank for making this story known to
me and to Gladstone.... he sent me the copy I used to make my
English version.

Also, FABIO, did you send those comics yet? I'm just
wondering... (for the rest of you, I'm referring to some pre-WWII
long Donald stories done by an Italian team named Pedrocchi and
Pinochi, and John wants me to dialog one for DD's 60th, also).

That's all for now. Quack!

Yours in duckdom and mousedom,

David Gerstein

"Howlin' crashwagons! A plane couldn't get into that *trap*
with a *derrick*!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>

Dear Don,

In your Lo$-stories $crooge has two sisters, right? And I have understood
that Grandma Duck is $crooges sister. But, in the Finnish translation the
names of those duck-ladys are 'Matilda' and 'Hortensia, whil the Finnish
translation of Grandma Duck's real name is 'Kaino-Vieno'.
So, could you tell me if one of those sisters really is Grandma Duck? Or
if either one of them is, then could you tell me what is the relation of
$crooge and Grandma?

Yours,
Juuso Paaso