Dear Folks,
The following is a quote from Don Rosa's letter earlier, with
my own responses interspersed.
"You preferred the way I drew the Ducks in '89? But now in
order for me to profit by that you must tell me in what way you
preferred them. How? (Probably because I was still using my clip
files then.)"
NOOO!!! In fact, if it was up to me I'd *never* want you to
exactly copy some Barks poses the way you did then! For me (and my
brother) they stick out right away. Not when you use a pose that
Barks often used, but certainly when you use one that Barks only used
*once*, and in a very memorable panel (for example: in OS 386,
Scrooge saying "Well, I'll admit, it's a *trick*!" with his back to
the camera, looking behind him and sticking his finger in the air).
My brother and my best friend, both avid Duck fans, also notice every
time you use a well-known Barks pose. I personally prefer your art
without.
What I like about your art from 1989 is that the ducks are
drawn slightly rounder and without so much of an attempt to shade them
realistically. I think that if a few of the scenes in "The Crocodile
Collector" and especially "The Curse of Nostrildamus" had been drawn
with the realism of "Super Snooper Strikes Again," I would have found
what happened to Donald painful and unfunny. But in these stories,
your art approached a more gentle style which made the stories more
lyrical somehow. It's REALLY hard to explain what I like about these
stories, but there's something there... something.
While I'm at it I'll mention that I *really* hope you won't
give HD&L "indented" eyebrow regions in side views, as you did on
the cover to USA 24 (the "giant bug" Danish story), again. It looks
very "60s" and makes the normally pleasingly rounded nephews (who you
go to the trouble of drawing with a *compass*, f'gosh sakes) look very
strange indeed.
"You mention the first page of "On a Silver Platter" and how it
looked different. Good call. That was one I did years ago for Oberon
who don't like my art; they had one of their artists pencil page one
for me to show me how to do it. I guess it didn't show me much if I went
right back to my own style on page two. I recall they re-penciled two
$crooge heads later in the story because they disliked mine so much,
which I then inked. Can you tell which two? I think at least one is
obvious."
I don't actually have the story available; I just REMEMBER
the difference, because it came as a shock: "Wak! What happened to
Unca Don?" [Rosa, that is] I was *SOO-OO* glad to see your old style
back again on the second page! Don't be disappointed if you didn't
"learn" anything from Oberon's artist... (who might have been Mau
Heymans, given the look of that first page... his art is great, but I
can't imagine your style even compromising with his!). Anyhoo, it'll
be next week before I can look at the Scrooge heads... that being when
I'll go home for Winter Break (keep sending the Digests here, Per).
"And we're way ahead of you on this 60th Birthday story. I
finish it up next Tuesday or so; and at that time I mail it NOT to
Byron, but DIRECTLY TO JOHN. He'll make his copies, then mail the
art to Byron. How's that?"
Ahm... just fine. But John is away next week on vacation... I
hope that doesn't interfere with your plans. I think he's back a week
from Monday though (on the 27th).
In the best of all possible worlds, he'll have my dialogues to
Mau Heymans' "Plot against Donald" and Frederico Pedrocchi's "DD and
the Secret on Mars" waiting for him. Wish me luck.
One more thing, Don. At one point in the Romano Scarpa
70-page story John is having me do, Scrooge loses his fortune, and is
reduced to shameless begging. Among other things, he tries singing
for donations -- poor Scrooge is a pitiful sight. Anyway, what'll I
have him sing? The original script has him singing a cowboy song with
some reference to his old days mining out West, but I'm asking myself
why his poverty would bring to mind his days in the West. What do you
think of:
"You take the high rate, and I'll take the low rate
At the bonny, bonny Bank of Loch Lomond!"
Interest rates, I mean. But still, this is funnier than it is
mournful. You wrote the LO$, and there may be a song in it somewhere;
I haven't seen the story, so I don't know. But is there some Scottish
song Scrooge's mother might have once sung to him? Remember that this
Scarpa story will appear while the LO$ is in its early days, so if
such a song exists, it would be fresh in readers' minds (this story
will run in two issues of U$A while the LO$ appears in U$).
Zassall for now, folks. If anyone has anything to tell me,
tell me in the next two days, because after Sunday I'm outta here and
bound for home. (I'll read all the Digests on my return to Williams.)
Your friend,
David Gerstein
"The only way to get ahead of Mickey Mouse is to *run* in
*front* of him!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
Author
Topic: 199312
(129 messages)
David A Gerstein
Comments on Don's comments
Message 76 -
1993-12-18 at 03:11:39
Tryg Helseth
Hello/Buchanan on Rosa
Message 77 -
1993-12-18 at 03:59:39
Hello everyone!
My name is Tryg Helseth, and I live in Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA.
I'm new to internet (only had this account for a couple of weeks) and
very new to this mailing list. (I just joined this week.) I am not,
however, new to Disney Comics.
I read them as a child in the 50's and 60's and as an adult child of
Disneyanna in the '70s. :) I was surprised to see Keno Don Rosa on this
list; I remember corresponding with him when he wrote (and drew) the
Information Center in the RBCC. It's hard to believe that nearly 20 years
have passed since that time! (Where is Lance Pertwillaby hangin out these
days?)
I had almost given up on finding a place to talk about Disney Comics. Had
been participating in a Disney conference on the RIME network, but found
it mostly populated by "themeies"--that is, people whose only interest in
Disney is theme parks. I posted many inquiries there, but could find no-
one who wanted to talk about comics or ducks. One person accused me of
being off-topic when I posted a message about Carl Barks! He suggested I
post it in the "Politics" conference... (And I did say "Barks", and not
"Marx!")
This mail list, on the other hand, is so rich in Disney comic stuff it's
like taking a drink from a fire hose. :)
On Fri, 17 Dec 93 17:12:07 -0500, David A Gerstein wrote:
re: Charles Buchanan
> I believe that when Mr. Buchanan refers to Don's work as being
>"work that is criticized by the general public" he doesn't mean that
>most people criticize it harshly, but that it's the subject of debate
>among huge bodies of people, and that he's surprised that with so many
>folks out there who discuss Rosa's work, his comment was noticed.
>Gosh, why shouldn't it be?
>
> Per, has Charles enrolled in our list now? He wrote to me
>that he was planning to...
I missed Charles' initial post in r.a.d that caused all the ruckus
here, but did see his later message about LO$ (or LATO$M and Rosa
Suggested) and sent him a message. (At last a Disney Comics fan!)
In his correspondence, he mentioned this mail list and so I fired off a
message to Per and here I am! Charles hadn't joined yet as he was
going to lose his internet account. (It is a school account and he is
graduating this quarter.)
I hope he does get a new account and join up.
Well that's about all I have to say for now; it looks like I have a *lot*
of reading to do here before I dare jump into the hot discussions like
Grandma Ducks relationship with Scrooge and Donald. :)
Happy Holidays to All!
Tryg
"More hay Trigger?" "No thanks, Roy, I'm stuffed!"
My name is Tryg Helseth, and I live in Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA.
I'm new to internet (only had this account for a couple of weeks) and
very new to this mailing list. (I just joined this week.) I am not,
however, new to Disney Comics.
I read them as a child in the 50's and 60's and as an adult child of
Disneyanna in the '70s. :) I was surprised to see Keno Don Rosa on this
list; I remember corresponding with him when he wrote (and drew) the
Information Center in the RBCC. It's hard to believe that nearly 20 years
have passed since that time! (Where is Lance Pertwillaby hangin out these
days?)
I had almost given up on finding a place to talk about Disney Comics. Had
been participating in a Disney conference on the RIME network, but found
it mostly populated by "themeies"--that is, people whose only interest in
Disney is theme parks. I posted many inquiries there, but could find no-
one who wanted to talk about comics or ducks. One person accused me of
being off-topic when I posted a message about Carl Barks! He suggested I
post it in the "Politics" conference... (And I did say "Barks", and not
"Marx!")
This mail list, on the other hand, is so rich in Disney comic stuff it's
like taking a drink from a fire hose. :)
On Fri, 17 Dec 93 17:12:07 -0500, David A Gerstein wrote:
re: Charles Buchanan
> I believe that when Mr. Buchanan refers to Don's work as being
>"work that is criticized by the general public" he doesn't mean that
>most people criticize it harshly, but that it's the subject of debate
>among huge bodies of people, and that he's surprised that with so many
>folks out there who discuss Rosa's work, his comment was noticed.
>Gosh, why shouldn't it be?
>
> Per, has Charles enrolled in our list now? He wrote to me
>that he was planning to...
I missed Charles' initial post in r.a.d that caused all the ruckus
here, but did see his later message about LO$ (or LATO$M and Rosa
Suggested) and sent him a message. (At last a Disney Comics fan!)
In his correspondence, he mentioned this mail list and so I fired off a
message to Per and here I am! Charles hadn't joined yet as he was
going to lose his internet account. (It is a school account and he is
graduating this quarter.)
I hope he does get a new account and join up.
Well that's about all I have to say for now; it looks like I have a *lot*
of reading to do here before I dare jump into the hot discussions like
Grandma Ducks relationship with Scrooge and Donald. :)
Happy Holidays to All!
Tryg
"More hay Trigger?" "No thanks, Roy, I'm stuffed!"
Don Rosa
+Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #187.
Message 78 -
1993-12-18 at 06:29:32
DAVID:
Thanks for relaying my comments to Charles Buchanan. I still
strongly disclaim that I made any comments about R.A.D., but just as I
said, I asked someone there IF that's what it was like. Did you make
sure that idea was posted there? As far as reactions, I supposedly was
sent the reactions from the R.A.D. members, all of which were favorable
to my desire to avoid such people along with an interest in hearing more
comments and news from me, though I received no further invitations
after that.
I'm sure I made some comment to R.A.D. about Mickey's lack of
popularity in the comic books... and pretty much ANYWHERE since the
30's, certainly compared to DD, because the R.A.D. members have no
notion of this fact... they are the people who only see the modern
American concentration on Mickey as a corporate symbol and merchandising
cutie, and think that's all there is. I always like to shake people from
the idea that these are something more than faces on T-shirts, and it's
mostly only in the comic books and newspaper strips that these
characters realized a fraction of their potential.
And you're saying that MM comics were only less successful than
DD comics for Gladstone because the production costs were greater.
Nonsense. MM comics just don't sell as many as DD comics. Check the
statements of ownership. Maybe it's true that Gladstone could keep
publishing MM comics if not for the higher production costs that you
know of, but they still don't sell as well as DD. Whether or not MM
WOULD have been more popular if such and such an artist hadn't quit
doing stories decades ago, maybe you're right... but that doesn't change
the facts as they are now.
MATTIAS:
See... there's even a little more disinformation about something
I've said over there on R.A.D. It's gotten to where I get hit by
something like this every couple of weeks. Why do people take these
cheap shots? It's hard to say why or where it all originates. I know
where SOME of it originates, such as stuff you've seen in CBG and some
comments in German fanzines -- we discussed this once about a month
ago... didn't you read between the lines? I'm not going to blurt out
accusations the cowardly way they do, so you'll need to figure it out
for yourself based on your own observations.
This last bit in the Jippes interview seems to have come from
Blum, or from that other source THROUGH Blum. I've yet to contact him
to find out the reasons for it. This sort of thing is so tiresome! Feh.
Thanks for relaying my comments to Charles Buchanan. I still
strongly disclaim that I made any comments about R.A.D., but just as I
said, I asked someone there IF that's what it was like. Did you make
sure that idea was posted there? As far as reactions, I supposedly was
sent the reactions from the R.A.D. members, all of which were favorable
to my desire to avoid such people along with an interest in hearing more
comments and news from me, though I received no further invitations
after that.
I'm sure I made some comment to R.A.D. about Mickey's lack of
popularity in the comic books... and pretty much ANYWHERE since the
30's, certainly compared to DD, because the R.A.D. members have no
notion of this fact... they are the people who only see the modern
American concentration on Mickey as a corporate symbol and merchandising
cutie, and think that's all there is. I always like to shake people from
the idea that these are something more than faces on T-shirts, and it's
mostly only in the comic books and newspaper strips that these
characters realized a fraction of their potential.
And you're saying that MM comics were only less successful than
DD comics for Gladstone because the production costs were greater.
Nonsense. MM comics just don't sell as many as DD comics. Check the
statements of ownership. Maybe it's true that Gladstone could keep
publishing MM comics if not for the higher production costs that you
know of, but they still don't sell as well as DD. Whether or not MM
WOULD have been more popular if such and such an artist hadn't quit
doing stories decades ago, maybe you're right... but that doesn't change
the facts as they are now.
MATTIAS:
See... there's even a little more disinformation about something
I've said over there on R.A.D. It's gotten to where I get hit by
something like this every couple of weeks. Why do people take these
cheap shots? It's hard to say why or where it all originates. I know
where SOME of it originates, such as stuff you've seen in CBG and some
comments in German fanzines -- we discussed this once about a month
ago... didn't you read between the lines? I'm not going to blurt out
accusations the cowardly way they do, so you'll need to figure it out
for yourself based on your own observations.
This last bit in the Jippes interview seems to have come from
Blum, or from that other source THROUGH Blum. I've yet to contact him
to find out the reasons for it. This sort of thing is so tiresome! Feh.
David A Gerstein
I'm Ducking Out!
Message 79 -
1993-12-20 at 00:38:10
Dear Folks,
This is just a brief message to the effect that I'm heading
for the tall timber as of now, and will be returning to Williams
College in two weeks. Please keep sending the Digests, Per... and as
for the rest of you, I'll look forward to chatting with you soon.
***
Don, I never said that MM comics sold as well as DD... Sue
Daigle once told me that they sold about 3/4 as well. I was just
saying that if not for the heavy production costs, MM would have been
able to continue. In the days of the "old" Gladstones it continued
even though it was a LOSING proposition, mainly because Gladstone had
SUCH success with everything else that they could afford to barely
recoup production costs with MM. Also because Disney wanted Gladstone
to do a MM title, but really, Gladstone could have talked their way
out of it if they had wanted to (that's what I've been told, if I
remember right).
***
A Christmas greeting for all you Gentile readers will be
coming very shortly from this address, although not exactly from
"me"... >ahem!<
Goodbye, folks, for awhile! I'm looking forward to a mound of
Digests when I return!
Your friend,
David Gerstein
"The only way to get ahead of Mickey Mouse is to *run* in
*front* of him!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
This is just a brief message to the effect that I'm heading
for the tall timber as of now, and will be returning to Williams
College in two weeks. Please keep sending the Digests, Per... and as
for the rest of you, I'll look forward to chatting with you soon.
***
Don, I never said that MM comics sold as well as DD... Sue
Daigle once told me that they sold about 3/4 as well. I was just
saying that if not for the heavy production costs, MM would have been
able to continue. In the days of the "old" Gladstones it continued
even though it was a LOSING proposition, mainly because Gladstone had
SUCH success with everything else that they could afford to barely
recoup production costs with MM. Also because Disney wanted Gladstone
to do a MM title, but really, Gladstone could have talked their way
out of it if they had wanted to (that's what I've been told, if I
remember right).
***
A Christmas greeting for all you Gentile readers will be
coming very shortly from this address, although not exactly from
"me"... >ahem!<
Goodbye, folks, for awhile! I'm looking forward to a mound of
Digests when I return!
Your friend,
David Gerstein
"The only way to get ahead of Mickey Mouse is to *run* in
*front* of him!"
<David.A.Gerstein at Williams.edu>
David A Gerstein
A Christmas Greeting from Scrooge McDuck
Message 80 -
1993-12-20 at 00:49:02
1 Killmotor Hill
Duckburg, CL 93801
December 19, 1993
Dear "disney-comics" members,
Your friend David wrote a disgracefully long letter to me
requesting that I "upload a scan" of a Christmas card with a picture
of my family on it to what he called your "ftp" site. Well, I don't
have the first idea what he's talking about, but he can darned well
forget it! Christmas cards cost real money, and the day I break down
and buy a computer will be the day I hand my fortune over to the
Beagle Boys! Besides, in my opinion cards are only a symbol of
decadence, foolishness and greed!
What is Christmas? An excuse to wallow in commercialized
GREED! That's nothing worth celebrating! Do you know how many
birthdays I've been through? When you've spent years digging nuggets
out of the Yukon and the gold fields of Kalgoorlie and the Rand,
hunting copper in Montana, and protecting the result from all manner
of churls, hooligans and scoundrels, the years blend into each other!
Christmas becomes just a day like any other! And the prospect of
spending money to celebrate, when you spend all the rest of that time
protecting that money, is the mark of a hypocrite!
Right now my foolish nephew Donald is probably loafing about
on his sofa at home, slurping his Gurgle-Urp and playing with his
nephews' presents while they do something constructive with their
time! I bet he doesn't even think about where his next meal is coming
from, while I've already been by all the grocery shops and stocked up
on free samples before those shops CLOSED for the holiday! Unlike
Donald, I'm always prepared!
And that's why it's so inconceivable that your friend David,
rather than preparing for the future by using his head, is wasting his
time celebrating Christmas! He's already spent 29 cents mailing
me that card request! And now he not only assumes I've squandered my
money on a computer, but that I'll actually spend money on that Christmas
card as well! As soon as I'm finished writing this, I'll call Donald
over here and have him deliver it to David for you! What does he
think I am... a doggoned spendthrift?
Tell your rattlebrained friend to save his money and put it in
the bank. I own most of them.
Sincerely,
$crooge McDuck
Duckburg, CL 93801
December 19, 1993
Dear "disney-comics" members,
Your friend David wrote a disgracefully long letter to me
requesting that I "upload a scan" of a Christmas card with a picture
of my family on it to what he called your "ftp" site. Well, I don't
have the first idea what he's talking about, but he can darned well
forget it! Christmas cards cost real money, and the day I break down
and buy a computer will be the day I hand my fortune over to the
Beagle Boys! Besides, in my opinion cards are only a symbol of
decadence, foolishness and greed!
What is Christmas? An excuse to wallow in commercialized
GREED! That's nothing worth celebrating! Do you know how many
birthdays I've been through? When you've spent years digging nuggets
out of the Yukon and the gold fields of Kalgoorlie and the Rand,
hunting copper in Montana, and protecting the result from all manner
of churls, hooligans and scoundrels, the years blend into each other!
Christmas becomes just a day like any other! And the prospect of
spending money to celebrate, when you spend all the rest of that time
protecting that money, is the mark of a hypocrite!
Right now my foolish nephew Donald is probably loafing about
on his sofa at home, slurping his Gurgle-Urp and playing with his
nephews' presents while they do something constructive with their
time! I bet he doesn't even think about where his next meal is coming
from, while I've already been by all the grocery shops and stocked up
on free samples before those shops CLOSED for the holiday! Unlike
Donald, I'm always prepared!
And that's why it's so inconceivable that your friend David,
rather than preparing for the future by using his head, is wasting his
time celebrating Christmas! He's already spent 29 cents mailing
me that card request! And now he not only assumes I've squandered my
money on a computer, but that I'll actually spend money on that Christmas
card as well! As soon as I'm finished writing this, I'll call Donald
over here and have him deliver it to David for you! What does he
think I am... a doggoned spendthrift?
Tell your rattlebrained friend to save his money and put it in
the bank. I own most of them.
Sincerely,
$crooge McDuck
Ron Bauerle
Scrooge's letter
Message 81 -
1993-12-20 at 16:11:36
>Date: Sun, 19 Dec 93 17:49:02 -0500
>From: David A Gerstein <David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu>
>Subject: A Christmas Greeting from Scrooge McDuck
> 1 Killmotor Hill
> Duckburg, CL 93801
What state is CL? Comics Land?
>Christmas cards cost real money, and the day I break down and buy a
>computer will be the day I hand my fortune over to the Beagle Boys!
Sorry, Mr. McDuck, I don't buy it - a smart businessman like yourself must
surely have realized by now that no modern mega-business can operate
without computers; true, while they _are_ expensive, even a tightwad like
you must realize that they pay for themselves very quickly, and are much
more efficient than the people they replace (and they don't ask for raises,
or goof off on coffee breaks, etc.).
But I also hope you realize that a business can't be completely automated
(I seem to remember a recent adventure of yours that showed you this...)
I trust that you won't try to bring about the factory of the future that
I've seen mentioned in certain taglines: it will consist of a man and a
dog; the man is there to feed the dog, and the dog is there to keep the man
away from the machines.
>What is Christmas? An excuse to wallow in commercialized GREED!
>That's nothing worth celebrating!
>...Christmas becomes just a day like any other!
Sorry, you can't fool me! I know you've learned the true meaning of
Christmas, as seen in "Mickey's Christmas Carol" and a comics story showing
how you helped a mother and her daughter. But I realize you've got a
reputation to maintain, so I'll go along with you (wink, wink).
Hope you have a happy holiday however you celebrate it!
RDB
>From: David A Gerstein <David.A.Gerstein at williams.edu>
>Subject: A Christmas Greeting from Scrooge McDuck
> 1 Killmotor Hill
> Duckburg, CL 93801
What state is CL? Comics Land?
>Christmas cards cost real money, and the day I break down and buy a
>computer will be the day I hand my fortune over to the Beagle Boys!
Sorry, Mr. McDuck, I don't buy it - a smart businessman like yourself must
surely have realized by now that no modern mega-business can operate
without computers; true, while they _are_ expensive, even a tightwad like
you must realize that they pay for themselves very quickly, and are much
more efficient than the people they replace (and they don't ask for raises,
or goof off on coffee breaks, etc.).
But I also hope you realize that a business can't be completely automated
(I seem to remember a recent adventure of yours that showed you this...)
I trust that you won't try to bring about the factory of the future that
I've seen mentioned in certain taglines: it will consist of a man and a
dog; the man is there to feed the dog, and the dog is there to keep the man
away from the machines.
>What is Christmas? An excuse to wallow in commercialized GREED!
>That's nothing worth celebrating!
>...Christmas becomes just a day like any other!
Sorry, you can't fool me! I know you've learned the true meaning of
Christmas, as seen in "Mickey's Christmas Carol" and a comics story showing
how you helped a mother and her daughter. But I realize you've got a
reputation to maintain, so I'll go along with you (wink, wink).
Hope you have a happy holiday however you celebrate it!
RDB
Mattias Hallin
What is "CL"
Message 82 -
1993-12-20 at 16:37:11
"CL" must be the Official U.S. Postmaster General-approved postal abbreviation
for the state "Calisota" where Duckburg is situated; see "The Gilded Man" and
also our discussion (on the ftp) of about a month and a half ago!
Mattias Hallin
Lund, Sweden
for the state "Calisota" where Duckburg is situated; see "The Gilded Man" and
also our discussion (on the ftp) of about a month and a half ago!
Mattias Hallin
Lund, Sweden
Per Starback
[lrn@daimi.aau.dk: From RoC]
Message 83 -
1993-12-21 at 03:24:44
[This was sent a couple of days ago, but when I read it I didn't notice
that Lars inadvertently had sent it to the administration address and
not to the list address, so only I got to see it. By chance I just
noticed that, so here it is, forwarded to the list: /PS]
>From: Lasse Reichstein Nielsen <lrn at daimi.aau.dk>
>Subject: From RoC
>Date: Sun, 19 Dec 93 21:50:48 MET
TOPOLINO
Thanks for answering my query about your livelihood so painstakingly,
David. You shouldn't have, I'm not with the IRS, you know :)
Egmont's plans with Mickey are surprising if not shocking to me.
Specifically requesting Gottfredson compatibility is a funny attitude,
when they have been literally ignoring him for the last 20 years! That's
Ignoring with a capital I! Except for a 40$ hardcover book and a couple
of Pluto sundays *nothing* has been reprinted here! "Kids" like me have
been brain-washed with countless reruns of "classics" into accepting
that Paul Murry is the Grand Old Mouse.
PAPERINO
The first long Donald Duck adventure, "DD and the Mystery of Mars" (1937)
both written and drawn by Federico Pedrocchi, was delivered at a request
for longer stories, up to 30 chapters! It was well recieved, and later
he drew other stories like "The Foreign Correspondent" and "The Chinese
Vase" printed in the 1984 anniversary "Big, White Book" in Scandinavia.
(Wasn't this also the one with Rota's 50.th anniversary story?) I also
guess Pedrocchi must be credited for "Paperino Chiromante" (1939), which
I only know from "Super Almanacco Paperino 2" (Italy, 1977). It is 24
pages long with 5 strips to a page, but you will most likely be spared
most of it. The gags are even more outrageous than the early Taliaferro,
and the artwork is... well, crude. Gladstone may be repeating their
errors with A Goofy Look On History if they rely too strongly on this.
A classic Italian story which may have greater appeal to an American
audience is the "Inferno" by ???. I have "read" it in Greek and the art
is much more sophisticated, inspired by Disney's animated features.
CARL BARKS & CO.
Don asked if others had the new CB&Co. You and everybody who didn't
catch the Anders' Ant joke in the latest WDC are welcome to ask specific
questions about it, or, if you all beg on your knees, I just *might*
translate some of the articles :)
Meanwhile, here's a short summary: front cover by Daan Jippes, 4 page
review of this years rave in Europe - Aladdin. 14 page interview with
Daan Jippes (translated from Dutch to English to Danish - 'you want it
back into English?!) 5 page interview with Marco Rota. 7 page interwiew
with Giorgio Cavazzano a.o. 4 page interview with Sonja Rindom (she was
a translator for Anders And & Co. for many years)
The "Ghast Cow" interview in CB&Co. #19 was done by Steffen Kronborg in
May 1990 and "translated" by Thomas Berger. He also referred to classics
as "The Square X", "Fan of notre duck", "Junior Wood Chuck" and "Lost in
the Andies."
BTW: Geoffrey Blum said: "Most of the time we almost only published
letters praising Don Rosa's stories. If there were negative letters they
were not published. Freedom of speech!" I can't tell from this if there
*were* negative letters, and if so, negative to whom or what?
NONNA PAPERA
True - Danes *must* differentiate between male and female cousins. But
with respect to grandparents it is optional: You can have "farmor"
(father's mother), "mormor" (mother's mother)... or just "bedstemor"
(grandma.) In the very first Danish issue Grandma calls Donald "my boy"
and he calls her "farmor." This quickly changes to "bedste(mor)".
Local authorities celebrated the 50 year anniversary of Grandma Duck by
printing her first appearance - a Taliaferro strip from Sep. 27.th 1943.
The accompanying two-paged hoozoo didn't reveal *whose* Grandmother she
is, only news to me was that her car is a 1920'es Detroit Electric.
BTW: Taliaferro introduced Gus Goose on May 9.th 1938. The recent Danish
version has Donald recieve a letter from Grandma Duck, that *his cousin*
Gus is coming to visit. His Danish name is "cousin Guf" (no typo!)
In Dutch Donald Duck 19/1980 the letter is from "Aunt Fanny" and Gus is
Donalds *nephew*!? What did that letter really say?
Swedes can check out Kalle Anka #1/1994 for Don's Family Tree.
WILD BILL
Van the Man has been very productive. In 3 months he has had 4 (new)
stories published in Scandinavia. Look out for Fredrik's index update.
You have been awful quiet about his team-up with Barks: doesn't nobody
know nothing about it?
FAMOUS LAST WORDS
Badalamenti is an artist who will not appear in any of our lists. He's a
composer. The only thing that bothers me about this net thing is that you
can't write in italics. So I let off steam by ending with an italicism.
Like this:
Morricone.
*Ole* Reichstein - "Oh, come vorrei un'auto nuova!"
that Lars inadvertently had sent it to the administration address and
not to the list address, so only I got to see it. By chance I just
noticed that, so here it is, forwarded to the list: /PS]
>From: Lasse Reichstein Nielsen <lrn at daimi.aau.dk>
>Subject: From RoC
>Date: Sun, 19 Dec 93 21:50:48 MET
TOPOLINO
Thanks for answering my query about your livelihood so painstakingly,
David. You shouldn't have, I'm not with the IRS, you know :)
Egmont's plans with Mickey are surprising if not shocking to me.
Specifically requesting Gottfredson compatibility is a funny attitude,
when they have been literally ignoring him for the last 20 years! That's
Ignoring with a capital I! Except for a 40$ hardcover book and a couple
of Pluto sundays *nothing* has been reprinted here! "Kids" like me have
been brain-washed with countless reruns of "classics" into accepting
that Paul Murry is the Grand Old Mouse.
PAPERINO
The first long Donald Duck adventure, "DD and the Mystery of Mars" (1937)
both written and drawn by Federico Pedrocchi, was delivered at a request
for longer stories, up to 30 chapters! It was well recieved, and later
he drew other stories like "The Foreign Correspondent" and "The Chinese
Vase" printed in the 1984 anniversary "Big, White Book" in Scandinavia.
(Wasn't this also the one with Rota's 50.th anniversary story?) I also
guess Pedrocchi must be credited for "Paperino Chiromante" (1939), which
I only know from "Super Almanacco Paperino 2" (Italy, 1977). It is 24
pages long with 5 strips to a page, but you will most likely be spared
most of it. The gags are even more outrageous than the early Taliaferro,
and the artwork is... well, crude. Gladstone may be repeating their
errors with A Goofy Look On History if they rely too strongly on this.
A classic Italian story which may have greater appeal to an American
audience is the "Inferno" by ???. I have "read" it in Greek and the art
is much more sophisticated, inspired by Disney's animated features.
CARL BARKS & CO.
Don asked if others had the new CB&Co. You and everybody who didn't
catch the Anders' Ant joke in the latest WDC are welcome to ask specific
questions about it, or, if you all beg on your knees, I just *might*
translate some of the articles :)
Meanwhile, here's a short summary: front cover by Daan Jippes, 4 page
review of this years rave in Europe - Aladdin. 14 page interview with
Daan Jippes (translated from Dutch to English to Danish - 'you want it
back into English?!) 5 page interview with Marco Rota. 7 page interwiew
with Giorgio Cavazzano a.o. 4 page interview with Sonja Rindom (she was
a translator for Anders And & Co. for many years)
The "Ghast Cow" interview in CB&Co. #19 was done by Steffen Kronborg in
May 1990 and "translated" by Thomas Berger. He also referred to classics
as "The Square X", "Fan of notre duck", "Junior Wood Chuck" and "Lost in
the Andies."
BTW: Geoffrey Blum said: "Most of the time we almost only published
letters praising Don Rosa's stories. If there were negative letters they
were not published. Freedom of speech!" I can't tell from this if there
*were* negative letters, and if so, negative to whom or what?
NONNA PAPERA
True - Danes *must* differentiate between male and female cousins. But
with respect to grandparents it is optional: You can have "farmor"
(father's mother), "mormor" (mother's mother)... or just "bedstemor"
(grandma.) In the very first Danish issue Grandma calls Donald "my boy"
and he calls her "farmor." This quickly changes to "bedste(mor)".
Local authorities celebrated the 50 year anniversary of Grandma Duck by
printing her first appearance - a Taliaferro strip from Sep. 27.th 1943.
The accompanying two-paged hoozoo didn't reveal *whose* Grandmother she
is, only news to me was that her car is a 1920'es Detroit Electric.
BTW: Taliaferro introduced Gus Goose on May 9.th 1938. The recent Danish
version has Donald recieve a letter from Grandma Duck, that *his cousin*
Gus is coming to visit. His Danish name is "cousin Guf" (no typo!)
In Dutch Donald Duck 19/1980 the letter is from "Aunt Fanny" and Gus is
Donalds *nephew*!? What did that letter really say?
Swedes can check out Kalle Anka #1/1994 for Don's Family Tree.
WILD BILL
Van the Man has been very productive. In 3 months he has had 4 (new)
stories published in Scandinavia. Look out for Fredrik's index update.
You have been awful quiet about his team-up with Barks: doesn't nobody
know nothing about it?
FAMOUS LAST WORDS
Badalamenti is an artist who will not appear in any of our lists. He's a
composer. The only thing that bothers me about this net thing is that you
can't write in italics. So I let off steam by ending with an italicism.
Like this:
Morricone.
*Ole* Reichstein - "Oh, come vorrei un'auto nuova!"
Don Rosa
+Postage Due+Disney-comics digest #190.
Message 84 -
1993-12-21 at 07:36:30
RDB:
I guess you were mostly just kiddin' 'round with your message to
"$crooge", but just to make a mountain out of a molehill as regards the
two instances you mention as proof $crooge knows the true meaning of
Christmas:
the guy who played Ebenezer Scrooge in MICKEY'S XMAS CAROL was
no more the real $crooge McDuck as was the guy on DUCKTALES. It was the
Disney Corporation's usual misuse of that Dell/Barks character. And as
for that painted comic story in the Disney Comics comic of 2 years ago
-- while I thought that was a very lovely and touching story with
beautifully rendered artwork, I couldn't accept for an instant that
that was THE $crooge McDuck. It just didn't ring true with me. It was
more like that Ducktales kindly-old-grandpa Scrooge again. But... I
realize that's probably just my opinion.
As for the computers, I'm not sure if David goes along with my
weird notion of when the $crooge stories are taking place -- but my
$crooge tales occur in the mid-50's when the an old-fashioned guy like
$crooge would never have considered using one of those room-sized
computers with the limited powers they had in those days.
Actually, I was just looking for something to respond to
tonight, and yours was the only message here (except for something from
Mattias about "what is CL?", but I think somebody just spiked his
eggnog).
I guess you were mostly just kiddin' 'round with your message to
"$crooge", but just to make a mountain out of a molehill as regards the
two instances you mention as proof $crooge knows the true meaning of
Christmas:
the guy who played Ebenezer Scrooge in MICKEY'S XMAS CAROL was
no more the real $crooge McDuck as was the guy on DUCKTALES. It was the
Disney Corporation's usual misuse of that Dell/Barks character. And as
for that painted comic story in the Disney Comics comic of 2 years ago
-- while I thought that was a very lovely and touching story with
beautifully rendered artwork, I couldn't accept for an instant that
that was THE $crooge McDuck. It just didn't ring true with me. It was
more like that Ducktales kindly-old-grandpa Scrooge again. But... I
realize that's probably just my opinion.
As for the computers, I'm not sure if David goes along with my
weird notion of when the $crooge stories are taking place -- but my
$crooge tales occur in the mid-50's when the an old-fashioned guy like
$crooge would never have considered using one of those room-sized
computers with the limited powers they had in those days.
Actually, I was just looking for something to respond to
tonight, and yours was the only message here (except for something from
Mattias about "what is CL?", but I think somebody just spiked his
eggnog).
Mattias Hallin
Merry /Insert Your Choice of Holiday Here/ To Y'all!!!
Message 85 -
1993-12-21 at 10:52:15
Over here/down here/up here (depending on our relative positions) it is now
the morning of December 22nd, and I thought it might be a good idea wish All of
You from All of Me a very, merry Christmas, denominational or otherwise, or a
jolly holiday according to any taste or fancy you might want to indulge!!!
All my best - and a Happy New Year, too!
Your friend
Mattias
the morning of December 22nd, and I thought it might be a good idea wish All of
You from All of Me a very, merry Christmas, denominational or otherwise, or a
jolly holiday according to any taste or fancy you might want to indulge!!!
All my best - and a Happy New Year, too!
Your friend
Mattias
Mattias Hallin
Oh, no they didn't!
Message 86 -
1993-12-21 at 10:59:46
...spike MY eggnog - I schwear, conshtabule!!! I was, in fact, answering the
same message as you just did, Don! The reply to $crooge's posting of the other
day, I mean, where (sorry - I can't recall your name) asked what "CL" in
$crooge's "adress" meant. Yeah.
About the film "Mickey's Christmas Carol", it isn't really, to my mind,
possible to tell wether the person playing the part of Ebenezer Scrooge is, in
fact, "our" $crooge - for the very simple reason that he's playing a part! Now,
if your/our $scrooge would actually CARE for such a role, or for acting at all,
I don't know, but maybe if the money was right...? No, but seriously, what
EBENEZER Scrooge says, does or feels can of course NOT be attributed to $crooge
McDuck, irrespective of whether the latter actually plays the part, or just some
anonymus duck in false whiskers. That's what I think.
All mah best!
Mattias
same message as you just did, Don! The reply to $crooge's posting of the other
day, I mean, where (sorry - I can't recall your name) asked what "CL" in
$crooge's "adress" meant. Yeah.
About the film "Mickey's Christmas Carol", it isn't really, to my mind,
possible to tell wether the person playing the part of Ebenezer Scrooge is, in
fact, "our" $crooge - for the very simple reason that he's playing a part! Now,
if your/our $scrooge would actually CARE for such a role, or for acting at all,
I don't know, but maybe if the money was right...? No, but seriously, what
EBENEZER Scrooge says, does or feels can of course NOT be attributed to $crooge
McDuck, irrespective of whether the latter actually plays the part, or just some
anonymus duck in false whiskers. That's what I think.
All mah best!
Mattias
James Williams
Drawing Ducks
Message 87 -
1993-12-21 at 15:04:00
Don,
I've been thinking about your comment that your ducks have started
to look too human and I have a question for you. Is there only one
proper way to draw the ducks -or- should the style of the story
determine how the ducks are drawn? If the ducks look like ducks,
gag stories will be more humerous. If the ducks look like humans,
the same gags may be more painful then funny. Likewise, it is harder
to accept drama from cartoony ducks. The more human they look, the
better the drama works.
I'm not an artist but I thought you would enjoy one readers comments.
Happy Holidays
James Williams
I've been thinking about your comment that your ducks have started
to look too human and I have a question for you. Is there only one
proper way to draw the ducks -or- should the style of the story
determine how the ducks are drawn? If the ducks look like ducks,
gag stories will be more humerous. If the ducks look like humans,
the same gags may be more painful then funny. Likewise, it is harder
to accept drama from cartoony ducks. The more human they look, the
better the drama works.
I'm not an artist but I thought you would enjoy one readers comments.
Happy Holidays
James Williams
Tryg Helseth
What is "CL"
Message 88 -
1993-12-21 at 19:45:39
On Mon, 20 Dec 1993 15:37:11 +0100, Mattias Hallin wrote:
>"CL" must be the Official U.S. Postmaster General-approved postal abbreviation
>for the state "Calisota" where Duckburg is situated; see "The Gilded Man" and
>also our discussion (on the ftp) of about a month and a half ago!
Hmmm.... I'm not familiar with either the postal abbreviation, CL, or the
zip code, 93801. However, the name Calisota is obviously an acronym
formed from California and Minnesota, so a more eqitable postal
abbreviation would use letters from both states (CS, for example...) But
then, who said the post office was fair! :)
I more burning question that perhaps you more seasoned fans could help me
out is where is Calisota located? It seems to me that it should be
located somewhere between California and Minnesota. It appears to be
located both near an ocean, a desert, and a mountain range. The 98301 zip
would sounds *very* West Coast to me! The weather patterns seem very
stange too... For virtually eleven months of the year it is hot and
sunny, then one month (December or January) it is cold and covered with
deep snow! I have looked intensly at maps of the US, but have never
seen the state of Calisota even listed in the index. Perhaps, like
Lake Woebegon, it is there somewhere but just doesn't show up on the
map due to a geographical survey error? (Perhaps it just "ducked" out
to avoid all the tourists?)
DON ROSA:
> Actually, I was just looking for something to respond to
>tonight, and yours was the only message here (except for something from
>Mattias about "what is CL?", but I think somebody just spiked his
>eggnog).
And I thought it was a very serious and important matter! :)
> the guy who played Ebenezer Scrooge in MICKEY'S XMAS CAROL was
>no more the real $crooge McDuck as was the guy on DUCKTALES. It was the
>Disney Corporation's usual misuse of that Dell/Barks character.
So $crooge *did* play himself in DUCKTALES after all. Actually, I'm going
to stick my neck out here (chop!) and say that I enjoyed DUCKTALES, (At
least the first years episodes...) Of course it wasn't the $crooge we
know, but I think it was one in a parallel universe. I always got a laugh
out of how they made fun of Donald's voice when he made his rare
appearances. ("What did he say?") I won't even watch old DD cartoons any
more partly because of that awful voice they gave Don, and partly because
of the violence.
ARVID:
Hello to the 69th parallel from the 45th parallel. Even though we are a
lot farther South, being in the center of the continent it gets very cold
here in the Winter. (-30F / -35C)
While I have a Norwegian name, I've never been to Norway. My grandparents
were born there and came to the United States in the early 1900's. I hope
someday to visit their homeland.
Tryg Helseth <trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu>
"I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -The Beach Drakes
>"CL" must be the Official U.S. Postmaster General-approved postal abbreviation
>for the state "Calisota" where Duckburg is situated; see "The Gilded Man" and
>also our discussion (on the ftp) of about a month and a half ago!
Hmmm.... I'm not familiar with either the postal abbreviation, CL, or the
zip code, 93801. However, the name Calisota is obviously an acronym
formed from California and Minnesota, so a more eqitable postal
abbreviation would use letters from both states (CS, for example...) But
then, who said the post office was fair! :)
I more burning question that perhaps you more seasoned fans could help me
out is where is Calisota located? It seems to me that it should be
located somewhere between California and Minnesota. It appears to be
located both near an ocean, a desert, and a mountain range. The 98301 zip
would sounds *very* West Coast to me! The weather patterns seem very
stange too... For virtually eleven months of the year it is hot and
sunny, then one month (December or January) it is cold and covered with
deep snow! I have looked intensly at maps of the US, but have never
seen the state of Calisota even listed in the index. Perhaps, like
Lake Woebegon, it is there somewhere but just doesn't show up on the
map due to a geographical survey error? (Perhaps it just "ducked" out
to avoid all the tourists?)
DON ROSA:
> Actually, I was just looking for something to respond to
>tonight, and yours was the only message here (except for something from
>Mattias about "what is CL?", but I think somebody just spiked his
>eggnog).
And I thought it was a very serious and important matter! :)
> the guy who played Ebenezer Scrooge in MICKEY'S XMAS CAROL was
>no more the real $crooge McDuck as was the guy on DUCKTALES. It was the
>Disney Corporation's usual misuse of that Dell/Barks character.
So $crooge *did* play himself in DUCKTALES after all. Actually, I'm going
to stick my neck out here (chop!) and say that I enjoyed DUCKTALES, (At
least the first years episodes...) Of course it wasn't the $crooge we
know, but I think it was one in a parallel universe. I always got a laugh
out of how they made fun of Donald's voice when he made his rare
appearances. ("What did he say?") I won't even watch old DD cartoons any
more partly because of that awful voice they gave Don, and partly because
of the violence.
ARVID:
Hello to the 69th parallel from the 45th parallel. Even though we are a
lot farther South, being in the center of the continent it gets very cold
here in the Winter. (-30F / -35C)
While I have a Norwegian name, I've never been to Norway. My grandparents
were born there and came to the United States in the early 1900's. I hope
someday to visit their homeland.
Tryg Helseth <trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu>
"I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -The Beach Drakes
Darin Reid
Christmas Carol
Message 89 -
1993-12-21 at 19:53:27
Hi, Since I've been on this list since it's beginning, but I haven't posted
since then either (:-), I'll re-introduce myself:
My name is Darin Reid, I'm a 22 yr. old college senior, living in
New York City. I, I, I'm a duckaholic :) .
My point: Disney's use of Scrooge in _Mickey's Christmas Carol_ is not wrong.
Nor is it immoral, or even a bad thing. It is simply a case of disney using
one of it's characters in a film outside of the regular disney spectrum.
They never said "Hey, this is Uncle Scrooge!", the y said "Hey, this is
Ebenezer Scrooge". I feel that Disney has a right to use the characters it
owns in anyway they want. IMHO, they can't stop making movies and shows
because of our sense of "classic duckness". If companies did this then
the entire comic industry would collapse.
What I'm trying to say is. Hey, we like the classic Barks ducks, and
especially $crooge, but you just can't realistically expect Disney to use him
in that one way.
-Darin
--
Bitnet : Areid at Fordmulc
Unix/AIX: Reid at Dsm.Fordham.Edu
Vax/VMS : Areid at Mary.Fordham.Edu
Freenet : Bz809 at Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
since then either (:-), I'll re-introduce myself:
My name is Darin Reid, I'm a 22 yr. old college senior, living in
New York City. I, I, I'm a duckaholic :) .
My point: Disney's use of Scrooge in _Mickey's Christmas Carol_ is not wrong.
Nor is it immoral, or even a bad thing. It is simply a case of disney using
one of it's characters in a film outside of the regular disney spectrum.
They never said "Hey, this is Uncle Scrooge!", the y said "Hey, this is
Ebenezer Scrooge". I feel that Disney has a right to use the characters it
owns in anyway they want. IMHO, they can't stop making movies and shows
because of our sense of "classic duckness". If companies did this then
the entire comic industry would collapse.
What I'm trying to say is. Hey, we like the classic Barks ducks, and
especially $crooge, but you just can't realistically expect Disney to use him
in that one way.
-Darin
--
Bitnet : Areid at Fordmulc
Unix/AIX: Reid at Dsm.Fordham.Edu
Vax/VMS : Areid at Mary.Fordham.Edu
Freenet : Bz809 at Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
Harry Fluks
Darin's Christmas Carol, Tom&Jerry, and my wishes
Message 90 -
1993-12-21 at 21:01:37
Darin Reid:
~~~~~~~~~~~
> Hi, Since I've been on this list since its beginning (...)
Hey, Darin: where is your fancy signature? 8-)
> My point: Disney's use of Scrooge in _Mickey's Christmas Carol_ is not wrong.
> Nor is it immoral, or even a bad thing. It is simply a case of disney using
> one of it's characters in a film outside of the regular disney spectrum.
>
> They never said "Hey, this is Uncle Scrooge!", they said "Hey, this is
> Ebenezer Scrooge". I feel that Disney has a right to use the characters it
> owns in anyway they want.
Disney has a right to do anything with "their" characters, and we have the
right NOT to like it.
> IMHO, they can't stop making movies and shows
> because of our sense of "classic duckness". If companies did this then
> the entire comic industry would collapse.
The point is, that $crooge was _created_ in the world of "classic duckness".
He was never meant to be a movie or TV character.
> What I'm trying to say is. Hey, we like the classic Barks ducks, and
> especially $crooge, but you just can't realistically expect Disney to use him
> in that one way.
We could expect they would use him in a consistent way... The DuckTales
$crooge is a totally different character, only resembling the comic $crooge a
little bit. (BTW: I quite like DuckTales, sometimes.)
Of course we could say: who cares, it's just a different character. But the
danger is, that people can't distinguish them, and think the comic books
$crooge is the same as the TV $crooge. Even comic editors started to
think that way, with disasterous effects on the comics...
Tom & Jerry (again)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The latest Dutch T&J monthly again reprints a (Swedish) Barks Barney & Benny.
All Dutch Barks fans: go buy it!
My wishes (Christmas etc.)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I'll take the opportunity to wish to you all what you would wish to me.
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (NL) (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"
~~~~~~~~~~~
> Hi, Since I've been on this list since its beginning (...)
Hey, Darin: where is your fancy signature? 8-)
> My point: Disney's use of Scrooge in _Mickey's Christmas Carol_ is not wrong.
> Nor is it immoral, or even a bad thing. It is simply a case of disney using
> one of it's characters in a film outside of the regular disney spectrum.
>
> They never said "Hey, this is Uncle Scrooge!", they said "Hey, this is
> Ebenezer Scrooge". I feel that Disney has a right to use the characters it
> owns in anyway they want.
Disney has a right to do anything with "their" characters, and we have the
right NOT to like it.
> IMHO, they can't stop making movies and shows
> because of our sense of "classic duckness". If companies did this then
> the entire comic industry would collapse.
The point is, that $crooge was _created_ in the world of "classic duckness".
He was never meant to be a movie or TV character.
> What I'm trying to say is. Hey, we like the classic Barks ducks, and
> especially $crooge, but you just can't realistically expect Disney to use him
> in that one way.
We could expect they would use him in a consistent way... The DuckTales
$crooge is a totally different character, only resembling the comic $crooge a
little bit. (BTW: I quite like DuckTales, sometimes.)
Of course we could say: who cares, it's just a different character. But the
danger is, that people can't distinguish them, and think the comic books
$crooge is the same as the TV $crooge. Even comic editors started to
think that way, with disasterous effects on the comics...
Tom & Jerry (again)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The latest Dutch T&J monthly again reprints a (Swedish) Barks Barney & Benny.
All Dutch Barks fans: go buy it!
My wishes (Christmas etc.)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I'll take the opportunity to wish to you all what you would wish to me.
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Research, Leidschendam (NL) (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
"Yeah... I've _heard_ of coral barques!"