BROR:
I doubt if I have any subconcious prejudices against using women
in my Duck stories. But in DD, U$ and HD&L I feel like I have all the
characters I need for my simply plotted adventures. If I came up with a
story that necessitated the creation of some strong female character, I
wouldn't hesitate to use her.
But... what about MAGICA?! How much stronger a female do you
need than her? And I HAVE used her in 4 stories, even though you've only
seen one of them so far.
Somebody wished me a happy b'day and made some other comments,
but I don't know who it was... somebody named "KEDDYBD"?
MATTIAS:
So, does NAFS(k) know about Grandey and his FAX-letter yet? I
wish somebody would ask him about it at one of those press conferences
he controls so stringently. Hah!
I know that I showed DD as being a dull-witted American in
GotLL... and I know I showed him in Lo$ #12 as thinking U$ has lead a
wasted life by hoarding his money instead of spending it. But where did
I make him act GREEDY, as you're saying? In fact, in Lo$ #12, you might
even say he's acting like a wastrel, easy-come & easy-go. But I'll see
what I'll do with it when I add pages to it. Perhaps I'll take that 16
pager and turn it into a 26-page full-issue story... but more likely
I'll just add about 4-5 pages.
Yes, I DO like the idea of DD and Della being twins. But, as you
say, if I simply OMIT that one comment, everything works out fine just
as it is (as per your explanation). Della and Donald still look like
twins, and maybe they are... but I don't think anyone can trip me up on
years if I don't nail it down needlessly. I think my Duck Family Tree
will be in WDC&S #600, but naturally birthyears won't be listed, and
it's not possible to tell if siblings are twins or not on that tree.
Author
Topic: 199407
(70 messages)
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #372.
Message 1 -
1994-07-01 at 03:38:19
Harry Fluks
Family Tree
Message 2 -
1994-07-01 at 11:17:35
Don Rosa wrote:
> I think my Duck Family Tree will be in WDC&S #600
The family tree was published in Germany last week. They used the sticker-
version, with stickers in last week's and this week's issue of "Micky Maus".
I was able to buy BOTH issues yesterday (in a shop in Scheveningen where a lot
of Germans are during the summer), because the shop forgot to return
ONE issue of last week!
So finally, I can see what you Scandinavians (and Don) were talking about!
(Yahoo)
--Harry.
> I think my Duck Family Tree will be in WDC&S #600
The family tree was published in Germany last week. They used the sticker-
version, with stickers in last week's and this week's issue of "Micky Maus".
I was able to buy BOTH issues yesterday (in a shop in Scheveningen where a lot
of Germans are during the summer), because the shop forgot to return
ONE issue of last week!
So finally, I can see what you Scandinavians (and Don) were talking about!
(Yahoo)
--Harry.
Knut Hunstad
DD's 60 story
Message 3 -
1994-07-01 at 11:25:35
Hi!
Checked out the norwegian print of "The Duck that never was". They have
managed to get the birthdate correct over here and the same goes for the two
names in the family tree.
Knut Hunstad
khun at veg.sintef.no
Checked out the norwegian print of "The Duck that never was". They have
managed to get the birthdate correct over here and the same goes for the two
names in the family tree.
Knut Hunstad
khun at veg.sintef.no
Ajd105
Dates
Message 4 -
1994-07-04 at 03:02:39
Hi everyone,
I just got my copy of the "Duck Who Never Was" story. I saw the
discussion here about the mix up of dates, and I suspect I can work out
what happened. If I see the date 3/4/94 that reads 3rd of April 1994,
but to US readers, they see 4th March 1994. I suspect the European
publications used the day/month/year format, but the Gladstone people,
not reading Swedish/Finish/Danish/whatever, assumed it was (the less
sensible :-) ) month/day/year, hence the stupid mixup.
BTW, I saw a Donald Duck animated cartoon yesterday, in which HD&L set
out to buy Donald a box of cigars for his birthday, and he thinks they
are going to smoke them, and forces them to do so. This was notable for
two reasons (at least): DDs birthday was given as 13th March, and Daan
Jippes wrote this up as a comic story appearing in an early Gladstone
WDCS.
I'll post my thoughts on LO$3 and The Duck Who Never Was later. (And I'm
sure you all can't wait for that...).
Andrew Davies
I just got my copy of the "Duck Who Never Was" story. I saw the
discussion here about the mix up of dates, and I suspect I can work out
what happened. If I see the date 3/4/94 that reads 3rd of April 1994,
but to US readers, they see 4th March 1994. I suspect the European
publications used the day/month/year format, but the Gladstone people,
not reading Swedish/Finish/Danish/whatever, assumed it was (the less
sensible :-) ) month/day/year, hence the stupid mixup.
BTW, I saw a Donald Duck animated cartoon yesterday, in which HD&L set
out to buy Donald a box of cigars for his birthday, and he thinks they
are going to smoke them, and forces them to do so. This was notable for
two reasons (at least): DDs birthday was given as 13th March, and Daan
Jippes wrote this up as a comic story appearing in an early Gladstone
WDCS.
I'll post my thoughts on LO$3 and The Duck Who Never Was later. (And I'm
sure you all can't wait for that...).
Andrew Davies
Per Starback
Donald's birthday
Message 5 -
1994-07-04 at 15:10:58
Andrew Davies wrote:
> BTW, I saw a Donald Duck animated cartoon yesterday, in which HD&L set
> out to buy Donald a box of cigars for his birthday, and he thinks they
> are going to smoke them, and forces them to do so. This was notable for
> two reasons (at least): DDs birthday was given as 13th March, and [...]
That's not the only place where Donald's birthday's given as March 13.
That was perfectly alright with me that Donald's birthday *inside* the
frame was something else than the date when he made his debut
*outside* the frame, but nowadays I guess it is settled more or less
that June 9 is his birthday even inside the frame. At least that was
the way it was (intended) in Don's 60th anniversary story and here in
Sweden I think the translator (Stefan Dios) has "corrected" other
dates to be June 9 when Donald's birthday has been mentioned. (I think
that the date given in Marco Rota's net.famous "Buon compleanno,
Paperino" -- also called "My life in an eggshell" here, as that's the
Swedish title -- was March 13 in the original for instance, even
though it's not in the Swedish translation.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
> BTW, I saw a Donald Duck animated cartoon yesterday, in which HD&L set
> out to buy Donald a box of cigars for his birthday, and he thinks they
> are going to smoke them, and forces them to do so. This was notable for
> two reasons (at least): DDs birthday was given as 13th March, and [...]
That's not the only place where Donald's birthday's given as March 13.
That was perfectly alright with me that Donald's birthday *inside* the
frame was something else than the date when he made his debut
*outside* the frame, but nowadays I guess it is settled more or less
that June 9 is his birthday even inside the frame. At least that was
the way it was (intended) in Don's 60th anniversary story and here in
Sweden I think the translator (Stefan Dios) has "corrected" other
dates to be June 9 when Donald's birthday has been mentioned. (I think
that the date given in Marco Rota's net.famous "Buon compleanno,
Paperino" -- also called "My life in an eggshell" here, as that's the
Swedish title -- was March 13 in the original for instance, even
though it's not in the Swedish translation.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
Mattias Hallin
Disney-comics digest #373.
Message 6 -
1994-07-04 at 16:20:05
DON:
Yes -- NAFS(k), or rather at least most of it's board members are aware of
the b'now infamous Grandey fax, Greger Nass`n and Stefan Dios through my
telling them. It was decided between us (I, too, am a board member) NOT to
mention the fax, or even bring your name up, at the meeting with Carl Barks on
June 19th; for two reasons. Firstly, we had to recognize that this meeting was
Barks' show. After all it's practically the first time he's even east of the
Mississippi, or at least the Atlantic -- and if, unfortunately, he don't seem
to care very much for you, we didn't want to chance the possibility that the
mention of you might make his first, and probably only, meeting with his
Swedish fans a little less happy an occasion for Barks himself. Secondly, we
didn't want to give Bill Grandey even the remote possibility of accusing you of
"stalking by proxy", as it were. Now, you know, and I know, and the NAFS(k)
board knows fully well that any such accusation would be an outright lie -- in
the usual Grandey style, probably -- but nevertheless Grandey might have tried
to twist things that way, had something been mentioned.
I guess it might seem a bit cowardly, or at least overly cautious, but there we
are...
BTW, Don -- could you fax me a copy of the Grandey fax? At +46 46-10 42 32?!
Thanks!
And I'll comment your other comments, soon as I can!
All my best!
Mattias
Yes -- NAFS(k), or rather at least most of it's board members are aware of
the b'now infamous Grandey fax, Greger Nass`n and Stefan Dios through my
telling them. It was decided between us (I, too, am a board member) NOT to
mention the fax, or even bring your name up, at the meeting with Carl Barks on
June 19th; for two reasons. Firstly, we had to recognize that this meeting was
Barks' show. After all it's practically the first time he's even east of the
Mississippi, or at least the Atlantic -- and if, unfortunately, he don't seem
to care very much for you, we didn't want to chance the possibility that the
mention of you might make his first, and probably only, meeting with his
Swedish fans a little less happy an occasion for Barks himself. Secondly, we
didn't want to give Bill Grandey even the remote possibility of accusing you of
"stalking by proxy", as it were. Now, you know, and I know, and the NAFS(k)
board knows fully well that any such accusation would be an outright lie -- in
the usual Grandey style, probably -- but nevertheless Grandey might have tried
to twist things that way, had something been mentioned.
I guess it might seem a bit cowardly, or at least overly cautious, but there we
are...
BTW, Don -- could you fax me a copy of the Grandey fax? At +46 46-10 42 32?!
Thanks!
And I'll comment your other comments, soon as I can!
All my best!
Mattias
Geir.Hasnes
Barks in Norway
Message 7 -
1994-07-04 at 17:33:20
EVERYBODY:
Hello out there in the virtual reality of internetters and ducks!
It seems that I was one of the luckier guys when it came to meeting the
grand master in Europe. I met Barks or was with him a lot of times, and
must say I am overwhelmed by his friendliness and care for one tiny little
collector among all his masses of fans.
Of course there were a few disappointments too, and the editor of the
Norwegian DD & Co. is very manipulating and seems to want to control
everything himself. I would not have written about these things if not
other central Duck and comics in general people had experienced the same.
However, let us take it chronologically.
On Thursday the 2nd I went to Oslo in the evening. I had official business
to do in Oslo on Friday so that I didnt have to pay the travel expense
myself. In my bag there were lots of Barks stuff. The largest Norwegian
newspaper VG had called me and arranged for a meeting between me and Barks
on Friday, "fan meets his idol" or something like that. I was overwhelmed
by anticipation.
On Friday the 3rd Barks arrived in Norway. The event was covered in the
newspapers and on the two TV channels. I went away to VG and together with
a journalist and photographer travelled to the meeting place. We waited for
one and a half hour, and then called the hotel. At the hotel Ms Morby told
that they had just returned from dinner and that she knew nothing of the
planned meeting. It all turned out to be manipulation by the DD & Co.
editor. I was a bit disappointed, but we returned to the editorial office
where I could dictate an interview with me to be printed in the VG on
Saturday.
In short, the journalist had detested the press conference because everyone
were so kind to Barks and nothing really was said, and she lightened
considerably up when I told her about the business with Grandey and the
socalled Barks-Rosa schism and the reasons for that and lots of other
behind the scenes at Disney stories. So she decided that we make the Hasnes
interview about Don Rosas birthday story the main scope and reduce the
impressions from the press conference with Barks to a small notice on the
bottom of the page.
You see, the press sheet announced that Barks had been invited - and I
implied that it was because Rosa had encountered the popularity in Europe
that made Barks eager to come to Europe. The press sheet further commented
upon all stories in the 60th birthday issue and its included extra issue,
all except Don Rosas story. That must have been made deliberately by the
editors because of the schism, but of course, I managed to focus all
attention on the Rosa story, which was presented with three panels
inserted. A whole page dedicated, and even a little caption on the front
page about the horror vision of Duckburg. The VG people were very excited
about the presentation!
On Saturday the 4th I had been invited by the DD & Co. editor to row a
viking ship with Barks in, on the Oslo fiord. I met at the shipping museum
early in the morning and met with the other guy from the quiz show and the
judge, who had been an editor and now is a translator for the Norwegian DD
& Co. Apart from us, there were a bunch of other people who knew how to
row, owners of the viking ship etc., all in all 16 rowers and a few more
people. We set sail and went into Oslo harbour where Barks arrived at 10.
With him were Grandey, Morby, and a few Norwegians. It was a fantastic
event, at first we rowed and then we set sail, so that us rowers could talk
to Barks. Grandey was a little ill, but a nice guy, although I already knew
this and that. Since he allowed only two signatures by Barks per person, I
managed to have five - on my Duckmobiles, the Carl Barks Index I coworked
on in 1984, a photograph for the press conference, and two of the first DD
& Co comics I ever owned. I think Barks was a little overwhelmed, but he
was a nice guy who really tried to talk to each one of us even though he
had some problems with hearing us. He functions best when he talks with one
person at the time. And - what can you say to such a person, what can you
ask about that he hasnt answered before, or if not, do you think he
remembers anything about this or that in his comics at all? I told him
about my experiences as a kid and how grateful I was to what he had done,
and he said he had just done his best and was overwhelmed by the reception
in Norway.
We were out on the fiord for many hours and it was a perfect trip. The only
negative thing was that the editor could have invited more Duck fans and
not all those extra rowers from a school ship who never had cared that much
about Barks. I had to help him when we landed so that he shouldnt turn
over, and when I held him then I thought Wow, this I am going to remember
for the rest of my life. How well it was that Grandey had ensured that
there were no drunk Don Rosa lurking in the background that would have
taken the advantage of the situation to throw Barks into the sea!
After the trip Barks went to the Viking Ship museum and I went there also
together with some of the owners of the viking ship we sailed in. In the
museum nobody seemed to recognize Barks, but children and teenagers flocked
around - me! I did my best to persuade them to concentrate on Barks, but I
did enjoy all those young people wanting to be photographed together with
me - since I was known from the quiz show on TV, you see.
Grandey later told me that Barks had said that even if he died on the trip,
he had enjoyed it immensely!
More next time - now I am off to the beach!
Geir Hasnes
Hello out there in the virtual reality of internetters and ducks!
It seems that I was one of the luckier guys when it came to meeting the
grand master in Europe. I met Barks or was with him a lot of times, and
must say I am overwhelmed by his friendliness and care for one tiny little
collector among all his masses of fans.
Of course there were a few disappointments too, and the editor of the
Norwegian DD & Co. is very manipulating and seems to want to control
everything himself. I would not have written about these things if not
other central Duck and comics in general people had experienced the same.
However, let us take it chronologically.
On Thursday the 2nd I went to Oslo in the evening. I had official business
to do in Oslo on Friday so that I didnt have to pay the travel expense
myself. In my bag there were lots of Barks stuff. The largest Norwegian
newspaper VG had called me and arranged for a meeting between me and Barks
on Friday, "fan meets his idol" or something like that. I was overwhelmed
by anticipation.
On Friday the 3rd Barks arrived in Norway. The event was covered in the
newspapers and on the two TV channels. I went away to VG and together with
a journalist and photographer travelled to the meeting place. We waited for
one and a half hour, and then called the hotel. At the hotel Ms Morby told
that they had just returned from dinner and that she knew nothing of the
planned meeting. It all turned out to be manipulation by the DD & Co.
editor. I was a bit disappointed, but we returned to the editorial office
where I could dictate an interview with me to be printed in the VG on
Saturday.
In short, the journalist had detested the press conference because everyone
were so kind to Barks and nothing really was said, and she lightened
considerably up when I told her about the business with Grandey and the
socalled Barks-Rosa schism and the reasons for that and lots of other
behind the scenes at Disney stories. So she decided that we make the Hasnes
interview about Don Rosas birthday story the main scope and reduce the
impressions from the press conference with Barks to a small notice on the
bottom of the page.
You see, the press sheet announced that Barks had been invited - and I
implied that it was because Rosa had encountered the popularity in Europe
that made Barks eager to come to Europe. The press sheet further commented
upon all stories in the 60th birthday issue and its included extra issue,
all except Don Rosas story. That must have been made deliberately by the
editors because of the schism, but of course, I managed to focus all
attention on the Rosa story, which was presented with three panels
inserted. A whole page dedicated, and even a little caption on the front
page about the horror vision of Duckburg. The VG people were very excited
about the presentation!
On Saturday the 4th I had been invited by the DD & Co. editor to row a
viking ship with Barks in, on the Oslo fiord. I met at the shipping museum
early in the morning and met with the other guy from the quiz show and the
judge, who had been an editor and now is a translator for the Norwegian DD
& Co. Apart from us, there were a bunch of other people who knew how to
row, owners of the viking ship etc., all in all 16 rowers and a few more
people. We set sail and went into Oslo harbour where Barks arrived at 10.
With him were Grandey, Morby, and a few Norwegians. It was a fantastic
event, at first we rowed and then we set sail, so that us rowers could talk
to Barks. Grandey was a little ill, but a nice guy, although I already knew
this and that. Since he allowed only two signatures by Barks per person, I
managed to have five - on my Duckmobiles, the Carl Barks Index I coworked
on in 1984, a photograph for the press conference, and two of the first DD
& Co comics I ever owned. I think Barks was a little overwhelmed, but he
was a nice guy who really tried to talk to each one of us even though he
had some problems with hearing us. He functions best when he talks with one
person at the time. And - what can you say to such a person, what can you
ask about that he hasnt answered before, or if not, do you think he
remembers anything about this or that in his comics at all? I told him
about my experiences as a kid and how grateful I was to what he had done,
and he said he had just done his best and was overwhelmed by the reception
in Norway.
We were out on the fiord for many hours and it was a perfect trip. The only
negative thing was that the editor could have invited more Duck fans and
not all those extra rowers from a school ship who never had cared that much
about Barks. I had to help him when we landed so that he shouldnt turn
over, and when I held him then I thought Wow, this I am going to remember
for the rest of my life. How well it was that Grandey had ensured that
there were no drunk Don Rosa lurking in the background that would have
taken the advantage of the situation to throw Barks into the sea!
After the trip Barks went to the Viking Ship museum and I went there also
together with some of the owners of the viking ship we sailed in. In the
museum nobody seemed to recognize Barks, but children and teenagers flocked
around - me! I did my best to persuade them to concentrate on Barks, but I
did enjoy all those young people wanting to be photographed together with
me - since I was known from the quiz show on TV, you see.
Grandey later told me that Barks had said that even if he died on the trip,
he had enjoyed it immensely!
More next time - now I am off to the beach!
Geir Hasnes
Crooks, Steve
Donald's 60th
Message 8 -
1994-07-04 at 20:25:00
<Warning: Lurker alert!>
Don,
I just read your story about Donald's 60th birthday and loved it (even with
the lettering mistakes). But I must say that my favorite part was on the
first page: those duck bookends! I want a set!
I've had plans for a while now to break my lurker silence and send my
detailed comments about the first parts of Scrooge's life story (almost
entirely very positive), but as always time is not an easy thing to come by.
Since you seem very interested in comments, I will keep this on my "to do"
list and will get it done someday.
I haven't seen you on the Atlanta Dragon Con guest list (July 15th-17th).
Will you definitely not be there? I hope to move back to Kansas City soon
and imagine my chances of meeting you will probably decrease a bit after
that. One of these days I'm just going to have to make the trek to San
Diego Con.
--
-- Steve Crooks scrooks at ingr.com 74101,3471 at compuserve.com
"Consequences, shmonsequences, as long as I'm rich." -- D. Duck
Don,
I just read your story about Donald's 60th birthday and loved it (even with
the lettering mistakes). But I must say that my favorite part was on the
first page: those duck bookends! I want a set!
I've had plans for a while now to break my lurker silence and send my
detailed comments about the first parts of Scrooge's life story (almost
entirely very positive), but as always time is not an easy thing to come by.
Since you seem very interested in comments, I will keep this on my "to do"
list and will get it done someday.
I haven't seen you on the Atlanta Dragon Con guest list (July 15th-17th).
Will you definitely not be there? I hope to move back to Kansas City soon
and imagine my chances of meeting you will probably decrease a bit after
that. One of these days I'm just going to have to make the trek to San
Diego Con.
--
-- Steve Crooks scrooks at ingr.com 74101,3471 at compuserve.com
"Consequences, shmonsequences, as long as I'm rich." -- D. Duck
Knut Hunstad
Sailors song and Ancient Mariner
Message 9 -
1994-07-04 at 23:15:57
Hi everyone!
Two questions for you today:
1. Anyone here know about a story called the Ancient Mariner, beeing used as
a basis for a Barks story?
2. In the story where DD becomes a song writer, provoking avalanches by
playing his song on a jukebox in a hotel at the bottom of a valley, what are
the original lyrics? In Norway they're translated to:
Oh, give me a grave in the icy green sea,
let the waves silence my crying!
and in Finland (from Ari P K Korhonen, who came up with this question on
rec.arts.disney):
and give me a grave beneath the sea
when the boogeyman of old age freezes my blood!
BTW, in the quiz show Geir Hasnes was referring to, his topic was norwegian
DD&Co. The show beeing very popular over here and the topic also, he has
become quite well known to many norwegians (especially since he has been in
the same show twice, after someone challenged him in "his" topic). I was
kind of wondering if you had heard about this list, Geir, I have thought
about sending you a mail and telling about it, just in case. Welcome you are
(for all I know you may have been here much longer than me...). Perhaps we
should start a disney at sintef.no :-)
Knut Hunstad
khun at veg.sintef.no
Two questions for you today:
1. Anyone here know about a story called the Ancient Mariner, beeing used as
a basis for a Barks story?
2. In the story where DD becomes a song writer, provoking avalanches by
playing his song on a jukebox in a hotel at the bottom of a valley, what are
the original lyrics? In Norway they're translated to:
Oh, give me a grave in the icy green sea,
let the waves silence my crying!
and in Finland (from Ari P K Korhonen, who came up with this question on
rec.arts.disney):
and give me a grave beneath the sea
when the boogeyman of old age freezes my blood!
BTW, in the quiz show Geir Hasnes was referring to, his topic was norwegian
DD&Co. The show beeing very popular over here and the topic also, he has
become quite well known to many norwegians (especially since he has been in
the same show twice, after someone challenged him in "his" topic). I was
kind of wondering if you had heard about this list, Geir, I have thought
about sending you a mail and telling about it, just in case. Welcome you are
(for all I know you may have been here much longer than me...). Perhaps we
should start a disney at sintef.no :-)
Knut Hunstad
khun at veg.sintef.no
Per Starback
Cowboy song and Ancient Mariner
Message 10 -
1994-07-05 at 04:58:15
Knut had two questions:
> 1. Anyone here know about a story called the Ancient Mariner, beeing used as
> a basis for a Barks story?
That's WDC 312, "The Not-So-Ancient Mariner".
The poem Donald recites the last lines of (which wins him a free
cruise) is "The Ancient Mariner" by Samuel Taylor Coleridge.
> 2. In the story where DD becomes a song writer, provoking avalanches by
> playing his song on a jukebox in a hotel at the bottom of a valley, what are
> the original lyrics?
That's WDC 137 and the lyrics are
Oh, bury me thar
with my battered git-tar
A-screamin' my heart out fer yew
As you can see it differs a lot from the Norwegian translation.
The Swedish translation(s) are very much like the Norwegian, though,
as is the Danish one! (I hadn't seen the Norwegian before.) I think
the first Swedish translator often translated from Danish instead of
the original Swedish, and this is one of the things that support that
belief.
> and in Finland (from Ari P K Korhonen, who came up with this question on
> rec.arts.disney):
Hmm, why is this Ari not on our list?
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"The Screaming Cowboy? I'm to put in the nickel and run for my life!
Who wouldn't?"
> 1. Anyone here know about a story called the Ancient Mariner, beeing used as
> a basis for a Barks story?
That's WDC 312, "The Not-So-Ancient Mariner".
The poem Donald recites the last lines of (which wins him a free
cruise) is "The Ancient Mariner" by Samuel Taylor Coleridge.
> 2. In the story where DD becomes a song writer, provoking avalanches by
> playing his song on a jukebox in a hotel at the bottom of a valley, what are
> the original lyrics?
That's WDC 137 and the lyrics are
Oh, bury me thar
with my battered git-tar
A-screamin' my heart out fer yew
As you can see it differs a lot from the Norwegian translation.
The Swedish translation(s) are very much like the Norwegian, though,
as is the Danish one! (I hadn't seen the Norwegian before.) I think
the first Swedish translator often translated from Danish instead of
the original Swedish, and this is one of the things that support that
belief.
> and in Finland (from Ari P K Korhonen, who came up with this question on
> rec.arts.disney):
Hmm, why is this Ari not on our list?
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"The Screaming Cowboy? I'm to put in the nickel and run for my life!
Who wouldn't?"
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #374.
Message 11 -
1994-07-05 at 07:20:32
MATTIAS:
My real question was simply curiosity as to whether my friends
at NAFS(k) were aware of Grandey's "famous FAX", and knew him for what
he was and were wary of what he might do at their meeting or elsewhere.
I really didn't think anyone should ACTUALLY bring up the matter with
him at a meeting with Barks! My main interest is not confronting Grandey
with this matter at this time, but that Mr. Barks has the absolutely
most wonderful time of his or any life, and that nothing whatsoever
infringe on his finally getting the public acclaim he deserves! I'm
delighted that he's holding up well under the strain (even this
hours-long ride on an ancient boat!) and I think it's great. (I just
wish Grandey wasn't getting a free ride or basking in the limelight and
the power that such a hyper-weasel doesn't deserve. So, Mattias, please
don't let anyone in your group think I really thought someone should
confront Grandey with his sins in the venue of your Barks meeting!
Anyway, I see your FAX number. I'll send you The Weasel's
original FAX as well as the rebuttal messages that Byron Erickson has
written to send to involved parties.
GEIR:
I look forward to hearing more of your report on Barks' trip.
I'm not sure why you blame the Norwegian editor (Svein Erik Soland?) for
the manipulation of the fans and press, or for the deletion of mention
of Rosa from all press releases. Of course, he's at least partly
responsible, but he had little choice. It was part of the agreement for
Barks to cooperate with Egmont's promotion that *I* must not be
mentioned -- what could he do? His first concern is to please his
bosses by making Barks happy (which means doing what Barks' weasel
says), and hope he (Soland) can live through the whole visit (which was
much harder on him than on any 93-year-old, I'm sure). As I've said,
Svein Erik helping Grandey see that I become a non-entity only lasts
for a few weeks, and it really can't harm me one iota. I can stand it
if it makes Barks' European visit a happier time for him.
Your telling the VG people about the "schism" was nice of you,
but I wonder how wise? I hope they didn't blow it out of proportion...
and if they did mention it, if they blamed any of it on Barks without
singling out the Weasel instead, it wasn't right. But I thank you for
the thought -- maybe you can send me a copy of that article sometime?
PER:
Don't ask me why, but someone named RICH MATTHEWS left me a
message on COMPUSERVE to have him "unsubscribed". Okay?
My real question was simply curiosity as to whether my friends
at NAFS(k) were aware of Grandey's "famous FAX", and knew him for what
he was and were wary of what he might do at their meeting or elsewhere.
I really didn't think anyone should ACTUALLY bring up the matter with
him at a meeting with Barks! My main interest is not confronting Grandey
with this matter at this time, but that Mr. Barks has the absolutely
most wonderful time of his or any life, and that nothing whatsoever
infringe on his finally getting the public acclaim he deserves! I'm
delighted that he's holding up well under the strain (even this
hours-long ride on an ancient boat!) and I think it's great. (I just
wish Grandey wasn't getting a free ride or basking in the limelight and
the power that such a hyper-weasel doesn't deserve. So, Mattias, please
don't let anyone in your group think I really thought someone should
confront Grandey with his sins in the venue of your Barks meeting!
Anyway, I see your FAX number. I'll send you The Weasel's
original FAX as well as the rebuttal messages that Byron Erickson has
written to send to involved parties.
GEIR:
I look forward to hearing more of your report on Barks' trip.
I'm not sure why you blame the Norwegian editor (Svein Erik Soland?) for
the manipulation of the fans and press, or for the deletion of mention
of Rosa from all press releases. Of course, he's at least partly
responsible, but he had little choice. It was part of the agreement for
Barks to cooperate with Egmont's promotion that *I* must not be
mentioned -- what could he do? His first concern is to please his
bosses by making Barks happy (which means doing what Barks' weasel
says), and hope he (Soland) can live through the whole visit (which was
much harder on him than on any 93-year-old, I'm sure). As I've said,
Svein Erik helping Grandey see that I become a non-entity only lasts
for a few weeks, and it really can't harm me one iota. I can stand it
if it makes Barks' European visit a happier time for him.
Your telling the VG people about the "schism" was nice of you,
but I wonder how wise? I hope they didn't blow it out of proportion...
and if they did mention it, if they blamed any of it on Barks without
singling out the Weasel instead, it wasn't right. But I thank you for
the thought -- maybe you can send me a copy of that article sometime?
PER:
Don't ask me why, but someone named RICH MATTHEWS left me a
message on COMPUSERVE to have him "unsubscribed". Okay?
Ajd105
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Message 12 -
1994-07-05 at 09:49:38
Hi everyone. I still haven't got time to type in my comments on Don's
latest (to reach Australia) stories, but I'd like to remark on the
covers of the Life Of Scrooge #1,2,3.
Firstly, I don't think these work terribly well as covers, the art is
good (of course), but the composition is wrong. There are too many
things going on to grab the eye quickly, and the sepia photograph insets
are a distraction rather than an addition. I much prefer Rosa art to Van
Horn art, but I think in general the Van Horn covers are better, simply
because they are uncluttered, and have a greater visual impact as a
result. One that comes readily to mind is the DD cover with the plant
sticking its tongue out at Donald. Very simple composition, and a good
cover to boot. When I first joined this group I said that Don's cover to
U$A 5 was my favourite comic cover, an opinion I still stick to, and I
got it out the other day and laid it beside the LO$ ones. It has one
central figure in a striking pose, and good solid colours as a plain
backdrop. (I know you wanted other stuff there too Don, but I think it
may have worked out for the best as is.) These LO$ covers would make
excellent splash pages at the start of the story incidentally.
Of course, I am now donning (no pun intended) my asbestos underwear...
Also, on LO$3, the perspective is screwy. Scrooge is facing the viewer,
not the bear! He is about 15 degrees around from where he should be. I
suspect this is just dramatic licence, and if it was drawn "right" the
cover would be the rather hairy back of a bear only! Well, I guess if
Manet can get away with the same sort of thing in The Bar at the
Follies-Begere, we can allow a little lattitude here. [Note, I think it
was Toulouse-Latrec, but my wife swears it was Manet :)]
Finally, a nit pick: duckbill dinosaurs didn't have teeth!
Andrew Davies
P.S. At the risk of starting a war, I would be interested to see how
people rank the various artists if we allow for best and worst:
here's my list
(best barks)>(best rosa)>(best van horn)>(worst rosa)
>(worst van horn)>(worst barks)
ie Rosa and Van horn are more consistent than Barks. Maybe I should give
them 30 years before I make these comparisons? :-)
latest (to reach Australia) stories, but I'd like to remark on the
covers of the Life Of Scrooge #1,2,3.
Firstly, I don't think these work terribly well as covers, the art is
good (of course), but the composition is wrong. There are too many
things going on to grab the eye quickly, and the sepia photograph insets
are a distraction rather than an addition. I much prefer Rosa art to Van
Horn art, but I think in general the Van Horn covers are better, simply
because they are uncluttered, and have a greater visual impact as a
result. One that comes readily to mind is the DD cover with the plant
sticking its tongue out at Donald. Very simple composition, and a good
cover to boot. When I first joined this group I said that Don's cover to
U$A 5 was my favourite comic cover, an opinion I still stick to, and I
got it out the other day and laid it beside the LO$ ones. It has one
central figure in a striking pose, and good solid colours as a plain
backdrop. (I know you wanted other stuff there too Don, but I think it
may have worked out for the best as is.) These LO$ covers would make
excellent splash pages at the start of the story incidentally.
Of course, I am now donning (no pun intended) my asbestos underwear...
Also, on LO$3, the perspective is screwy. Scrooge is facing the viewer,
not the bear! He is about 15 degrees around from where he should be. I
suspect this is just dramatic licence, and if it was drawn "right" the
cover would be the rather hairy back of a bear only! Well, I guess if
Manet can get away with the same sort of thing in The Bar at the
Follies-Begere, we can allow a little lattitude here. [Note, I think it
was Toulouse-Latrec, but my wife swears it was Manet :)]
Finally, a nit pick: duckbill dinosaurs didn't have teeth!
Andrew Davies
P.S. At the risk of starting a war, I would be interested to see how
people rank the various artists if we allow for best and worst:
here's my list
(best barks)>(best rosa)>(best van horn)>(worst rosa)
>(worst van horn)>(worst barks)
ie Rosa and Van horn are more consistent than Barks. Maybe I should give
them 30 years before I make these comparisons? :-)
Mattias Hallin
Disney-comics digest #374.
Message 13 -
1994-07-05 at 11:21:03
KNUT:
You've probably already been told this by about half the people on the
list, so why not me, too?!
1. "The Ancient Mariner", or rather a quote from that poem by Samuel Taylor
Coleridge, is indeed the basis for a late WDC story by Barks. I don't know it's
WDC number off-hand, but if noone else has told you, I could always look it up
in the CBL for you.
2. The original title and lyric for Donald's composition are respectively "The
Screaming Cowboy" and "Oh, bury me thar, With my battered guitar, A-screamin'
my heart out for yew!". There is actually a complete set of Swedish lyrics, set
to music, that is probably available through the NAFS(k) office.
All my best
Mattias
You've probably already been told this by about half the people on the
list, so why not me, too?!
1. "The Ancient Mariner", or rather a quote from that poem by Samuel Taylor
Coleridge, is indeed the basis for a late WDC story by Barks. I don't know it's
WDC number off-hand, but if noone else has told you, I could always look it up
in the CBL for you.
2. The original title and lyric for Donald's composition are respectively "The
Screaming Cowboy" and "Oh, bury me thar, With my battered guitar, A-screamin'
my heart out for yew!". There is actually a complete set of Swedish lyrics, set
to music, that is probably available through the NAFS(k) office.
All my best
Mattias
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