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Wilmer Rivers
So, how will Disney handle the next theatrical or video release
of "Peter Pan"? Can we look forward to Princess Tiger Lilly and
the blue tribe of earth spirits? Has anyone been to Disneyland?
Is "Frontierland" inhabited entirely by white people and non-humans?

I don't remember which studio produced last year's movie "Sleepless
in Seattle", but Disney is in prime position to release a sequel:
"Brain-Dead in Burbank".

By the shores of Gitchee-Goomee,
By the shining great-cash ocean,
Stood the empire of M. Eisner,
Money-grubbing toad, M. Eisner...

Wilmer Rivers
Rick Engle
This is fascinating as Disney's 33rd animated feature will be
Pocahontas (misspelled?), and they're going full tilt into an "ethnic" topic.
Rick
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| From: Don Rosa <72260.2635 at compuserve.com>
| To: <"INTERNET:disney-comics at Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE">;
<disney-comics at minsk.docs.uu.se>
| Subject: Disney-comics digest #391.
| Date: Friday, July 22, 1994 11:39PM
|
| Too quiet? Here's an interesting bit of nonsense to disturb the
| quietude... since a few people on here have been nice enough to express
| an interest in seeing my "War of the Wendigo" story, I can pass on the
| latest bit of idiocy about that Peeweegah sequel.
| Several years ago Disney Disney Comics had put this 28 page
| story of mine on the schedule, only to be yanked at the last minute. At
| the time I was told that the reason for the banning of the story was
| simply that it involved INDIANS (Barks' Pygmy Indians), and that the
| Disney was SO worried about being politically correct and had so little
| interest in having any hassles over something as completely unimportant
| to them as comic books, that they had decided not to review the story
| but to simply ban it on the basis of the fact that it contained Indians.
| Then I started hearing several other versions of the reason for
| the ban, none of which bear repeating.
| Finally, last month, during a meeting Gladstone editor John
| Clark was having with the Disney operative who has the job of approving
| everything that Gladstone does, the guy (without prompting) brought up
| the subject of the story, and said that the only reason it was banned
| was that all the Indians looked alike, and one Disney executive thought
| this was very insulting to Indians. Naturally I had only been copying
| Barks' original... but knowing that nobody at Disney knows anything
| about Barks' comics, this reasoning was the first that actually began to
| even sound like a reasonable (if mislead) objection to the story (where,
| of course, the Indians are the heroes). So I told John that since I'd
| put so much extra work into the dialogue in that tale which would only
| be used in an American edition, I was particularly interested in seeing
| them use the tale, and I offered to retouch the art to make the
| Peeweegahs look generally different. So he decided to suggest this to
| Disney, while also saying that they planned to print my sequel in a
| special large edition with Barks' original (in a "ploy" to see if they
| could use my story as is, since it would look very odd if we had to
| alter the Indians in the second story if they could remain the same in
| the original... see? Strategy.)
| Anyway, if you've been following this digest, you'd know all
| this so far.
| John Clark just sent me the letter from Disney saying what I
| would have to do to my sequel to get it approved for publication. Not
| only would I have to make sure all the Peeweegahs looked completely
| different, but I would need to redraw them to look like "wood spirits"
| or fairies or something, and they would need to be colored blue or green
| or some color to make sure they were no longer human beings. And
| obviously all reference to them being human (much less Indians) would be
| deleted, as well as any clothing they were wearing or teepees they were
| living in or Indian stuff they were using... and all the dialogue in my
| carefully written dialogue that referred to them as Indians would be
| changed.
| Naturally, my response was "well, screw THAT!" I mean, it's not
| even like I'd get 1 penny in royalty for the use of the story, so I'm
| not about to bend over backwards to cowtow to such an idiotic corporate
| attitude.
| Obviously, then, the original report was completely accurate.
| Disney is a corporation SO hung up on being mindlessly "politically
| correct" and are so worried about attracting ANY attention with the use
| of any sort of ethnic type (not mere stereotype, but ANY use of an
| ethnic sort) that the story is truly banned simply because it contains
| Indians, regardless of how nobley they are depicted.
| And as far as Gladstone's other idea of reprinting "Land of the
| Pygmy Indians" -- nope, it is permanently banned from use.
| After a few years of dealing with Disney, you'd get used this
| sort of nonsense or you'd quickly go nuts. It's a two-sided matter: you
| have a huge corporation which is neuroticly concerned about its public
| image -- then you have a huge corporate system of people who are
| terrified of making a decision to allow something that would backfire
| and cost them their next promotion, in addition to how little respect
| they have for lowly comic books -- this sort of thing will always
| happen.
|
|
|
|
EHORIZONS
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Mark Mayerson
Glad to see that my "problem" was just a lack of list activity. Thanks to
everyone for confirming that I was still connected.

The War of the Wendigo thing is sad and funny. Sad for obvious reasons but
funny because Disney's next feature is precisely about American Indians. Since
they've taken flak about Aladdin from Arab groups, they're probably worried
already about Pochahontas and what Indian groups will say. I'll bet that
if they don't get complaints about the feature, War of the Wendigo will
suddenly appear in a Gladstone comic.

Disney's feature after Pochahontas is The Hunchback of Notre Dame, so my advice
to Don Rosa is not to do any stories about physically deformed Frenchmen.
___________________________________________________________________
Mark Mayerson Side Effects Software Inc.,
Internet: mayerson at sidefx.com Toronto, Ontario, Canada
(416) 366-4607
Don Rosa
To RICK ENGLE:
Why on earth did you repost my entire message from the last
Digest, both TO the Digest (so that it duplicated itself in the selfsame
Digest), AND as an additional EXTRA message just to ME??? Do you
realize some of us must PAY to read this stuff? What was the point of
either action, much less both together???

Stop it! Stop it!
Don Rosa
PER:
Do you have any control over what goes into these Digests? First
there was that loooong repitition of my message, in the selfsame Digest
no less. Now I just paid to read a #@%$#& "infomercial" about some
"electric fanzine" that has nothing to do with Disney comics whatsoever.
I hope you can prevent this stuff, particularly any future electronic
computer solicitations. Man, that's like getting a prerecorded
telephone solicitation -- and those are considered so rude they're
actually illegal in most states.
Mikko Aittola
About what is right to post here:

I agree with Don Rosa that people should quote previous
messages as little as possible, but on the other hand
I think that that 'electric fanzine' post was quite
interesting and it was totally OK to appear here.

/Mikko
Anders Engwall
Knut.Hunstad at veg.sintef.no (Knut Hunstad):

> The character named "Skogs-Ola " in Sweden and "Urtigao" in Brazil seems to
> be the same guy who has been called "Jesper Skauen" (or sometimes "Jesper
> Skaugen") in Norway. One story with him I remember is where HDL try to get a
> photo of a very seldom bird and get help from this guy. The whole thing ends
> up with his beard full of blueberry.
[...]
>Is this the same guy?

In short: Yes. The story you refer to was published in the Swedish weekly in
issue #7 of 1974 as "Den gr|n-n{bbade tr{dknackaren" ("The green-beaked
woodpecker"). This is not one of the greatest of Ola/Jesper/Urtigao stories,
IMO.

Anders Engwall Email: Anders.Engwall at eua.ericsson.se
ELLEMTEL Utvecklings AB Voice: +46 8 727 3893
[lvsj|, Sweden Fax: +46 8 727 42 20
endremin saxassa flumen flobollala / feilobasch falljada follidi / flumbasch
Rreeves
A quick peek out of the shadows as things are rather quiet 'round
here lately:

The good news here (in Boston) is that US287 is unavailable (at least
at the 5 Boston/Cambridge shops I looked at). One very positive
note, when I asked for 'last month's US' one worker asked, "oh- the
Rosa series one? That's long gone!"

The bad news: The store where I usually get my books from forgot (?)
to include that one in my subscription folder. Hmm. Guess that's what
I get for going away to California in the middle of the summer! How
is the availability in the rest of the states? Any thoughts on
getting the missing issue, other than wait for Gladstone back issue
orders?

Other bad news: New England Comics which I mention by name as I have
no love for them today more than ever, their first store they didn't
even know the difference between US and USA, and doubted their other
store even carried Gladstone, while their 2nd store
said in response to my asking for back issue ducks said, "all the
kidstuff is down on that little shelf." So, I get to look offended
and say, "well never mind then."

(Sorry for the long-windedness, esp. for those that pay to read this)

/robert
Per Starback
Harry has sent me updated versions of the following, which I have made
available at the ftp site:

* don-rosa: The file containing Don Rosa quotes on himself and his
work, sorted by subject.

* don-rosa.germany:
The (incomplete) list of Don Rosa publications in
Germany, as a supplement to the main Don Rosa index in
don-rosa.index.

* story-codes: An explanation of the various "story codes" often seen
in the first panel of a Disney comic.

All this and more is available at the usual place, i.e., at the
directory pub/comics/disney at ftp.lysator.liu.se.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
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