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Kristian wrote:

>At the risk of displaying to to the world my in no way impressive
>knowledge of the Bible (I _could_ go home and check first, but then I'd
>have to wait until tomorrow to post this), I think Noah actually DID take
>more than one pair from some of the species, didn't he? If that's true,
>and nothing further is mentioned, then we still don't know for sure
>whether whatever-it-is-that-Donald-and-Daisy-are (WIITDADA) = ducks ;)

The Biblical tale of Noah is, according to many scholars, a parallel
telling of a single tale, its threads taken from at least two
distinct sources (with certain passages suggesting a third). In one
of the two readily distinguishable threads the animals are permitted
a single pair of each type aboard the ark, whether clean or unclean,
while in the other the clean animals and all birds are allowed seven
pairs per type on the ark, and the unclean animals but a single pair
per type. The single-pair-per-type numbering is reiterated twice,
which might partly explain why it is the better known and most often
used in popular entertainment. However, the seven-pair-clean and
one-pair-unclean numbering is possibly the more valid from an
ecclesiastical standpoint, as it best serves the requirements of the
ritual sacrifices conducted by Noah after the waters receded. In any
event, both threads permit four pairs of humans aboard the ark,
though reproductively speaking one pair, Noah and his wife, are a bit
past it.

An interesting irony of the Old Testament concepts of "clean" and
"unclean" animals is that the prescribed fate of many "clean" animals
is to be sacrificed and to be eaten, while all "unclean" animals are
spared this. Humans also can become "clean" or "unclean" according to
certain natural cycles, types of physical contact, and rituals,
though in neither state are they to be sacrificed and eaten.

Anyway, if the Donald-type creatures seen boarding the ark in
Fantasia 2000 are human-equivalent, then not only are they not be
fixed in a "clean" or "unclean" state, but they don't belong in the
animal queue in the first place. If they are not human-equivalent
then they are birds, more specifically ritually clean waterfowl, and
Noah will sacrifice a number of them when the Deluge is over.

That first notion creates difficult contradictions, while the second
notion doesn't even bear thinking about. Come down to it, it's hardly
the sort of baggage the gag in Fantasia 2000 deserves. What Disney
version of any Old Testament story is going to include animal
sacrifices anyway?
--
Gary

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KRITON

>I guess you beat me to the question. Did you actually know the French and
>English titles of the movie, or did you raid the Internet Movie Database,
>like I did?

No, I asked my wife Irene who is Cinema expert and we looked at some book
guides (L. Maltin etc. ) I know the Internet Movie Database but I didn't
think to search at that particular moment.
>
>> I would like to ask Don if this is true or it's a simple but amazing
>> coincidence.
>
>Given Don's fondness for movies from that era, it would be an amazing
>coincidence if this weren't true.

I also knew and suspected that but I just wanted to have the artist's
opinion about this detail.

DON ROSA

>Anyway, the cover (to my surprise!) popped up on one of the last issues of
>WDC&S, so you've already seen it.

It's Uncle Scrooge #317 and as I can see there is no great difference in
Donald's hat design from Gladstone's cover (which IMO is rich in details)

It's the one with Donald and >But I do
see what looks like "Ntov Pooa" mentioned on the cover ... that
>was nice of them. (That's how they spell "Don Rosa" in Greek!)

The spelling of the name Don Rosa in Greek is: Nton Rossa

FABIO

>Hello:
> a question for the boys from Greece. You know, I was searching
>some bookshop oriented to Greeks books and magazines but, Alas! is no one
>here in Buenos Aires. I talk to the Embassy, but nothing. So, in the
>meantime I search (I'll try with some comic shop), can some of you give me
>the requirements for the Komix suscriptions? Thanks!

The address of KOMIX is:
KOMIX magazine
NEA AKTINA AE
7 Frangoklisias st .
GR 151 25
Marousi,
GREECE
And they are accepting international subscriptions.

>Hi Guys. I'm Apostolis, a new member!

Wecome to the list Apostolis!!
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I haven't yet seen FANTASIA 2000 ,but I am curious to see Al
Hirschfeld's contribution, the Legendary New York Times (Art section) and
Broadway caricaturist in the Rhapsody in Blue segment.

Georgios

DON:

> But I do see what looks like "Ntov Pooa" mentioned on the cover ... that
> was nice of them. (That's how they spell "Don Rosa" in Greek!)

Actually, it says "The Last Lord of Eldorado by Ntov Pooa"... I mean
"Don Rosa", so that people who don't usually rush on the last Friday of
each month to buy Komix, will know that they have to rush and buy this
month's issue.

> That would have been one hum-dinger of a coincidence! The truck in my story
> even had the "SOC" ("Southern Oil Company") logo on the door just like in
> the movie. It had everything except Yves Montand. I mean, what are the
> odds?!

Hmmm... sounds like I'll have to make another scan from Komix, showing the
two trucks side by side.

> Both stories were about moving loads across the Andes, so I figured I'd use
> the same truck that made it about the same year my story takes place.

I wonder if they figured this out by themselves (wow!), or if you told them.

Kriton (e-mail: kyrimis at cti.gr)
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis)
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"There's something unnervingly recursive about digging up the remains of
dead archaeologists."
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Thanks for the data about Komix. Who talk bad about greek gifts?

Fabio

PS: next week will be exhibit Fantasia 2000 here in Argentina. I want see it
just now!

Dear Don,
Did you ever think about visiting Athens? You know that your stories are
very popular here (and specially "The Life and Times" and "Th Guardians of
the Lost Library"). Komix always putting articles about you, when a story is
published.
I heard about a new "The Life and Times" chapter, the 10b one. I'd like to
send me some information about that.
Apostolis Trikourakis

I drew this last week my first Mickey Mouse historie, with Aparecido
Norberto correcting my Mickey and Goof figures. In that historie, writte by
Orlando de Paes Filho, Mickey transforms a little mouse into a monster that
destroy Duckburg(Yes, we don't have Mousetown here in Brazil). Into the end,
created by myself, the monster is re-transformed into a giant Mickey Mouse.
But this end is recused by our editor because he sad that Disney didn't
permit that Mickey become associated with a Mouse, because he is NOT a
mouse, he is a HUMAN! And the same with Don!
Good...

Fernando Ventura!

> He did. You can see Fifer Pig costumed in his lady pig disguise on
> the last page of WDC&S 632... (truly a *weird* moment in Disneydom, as the
> article explains...)
>
> David Gerstein

Thanks for mentioning, but unfortunately I've got no WDC&S comics.
Could yourself or any other lovely list member scan that page for us?
Ugo