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I have moved to a new Internet Service provider, and the $crooge McDuck Page
has moved with me. Because I have severed all ties with the old ISP, there
is no redirector on the old site, so you may wish to pass around the new
address:

http://personal.sdf.bellsouth.net/~danshane/scroopage/scroohome.htm

Dan Shane (danshane at bellsouth.net)

Some time ago, there was a thread on this mailing list about the reprints of
Don's "Life of $crooge" saga.
Well, a new edition of Lo$ has been published in Italy a couple of weeks
ago... it's part of a series of comics that are distributed both on the
newsstands *and* in the bookshops (usually, they make the Italian
best-seller's list, too...).

The book's title is "Paperdinastia: la grande storia dei paperi piu' famosi
del mondo" ("Duckdynasty: the great history of the world's most famous
ducks") (Why "duck*S*", you might ask ? Who knows... ;-)). Its 388 pages
reprint the original 12 chapters, plus 6 other stories: "Of Ducks and Dimes
and Destinies", "The Cowboy-Captain of the Cutty Sark", "The Vigilante of
Pizen Bluff", "The Dutchman's Secret", "Hearts of the Yukon", and "Last Sled
to Dawson".
Each story has a short introduction, providing a few facts and the Barks
references. It looks like these intros are just short summaries of the ones
which were used - a few years ago - for the first Italian reprint of the Lo$
in a single volume.
They just added a couple of pages introducing the extra chapters - BTW, is
"Last Sled to Dawson" actually considered as a chapter? In the book, it's
labelled as "chapter 9b"...
The book contains also Don's "Duck Family Tree", and an index of the names
of the characters appearing in the saga. Technical data: softcover, Lit.
16,900 (about $ 8).

I'll take a look at the best-sellers' charts, in the upcoming weeks, and
keep you informed... ;-)

Ciao,
Armando

Apostolis Trikourakis:

> "Last Sled [to] Dawson" as a Lo$ chapter? I don't thin[k] so.

In this case, it's up to the editors to decide how they advertise a story.
This Dawson story was also in the Lo$ album series in Holland, so Italy is
not the only one...

Don did not intend the Dawson story to be part of Lo$ (he couldn't at the
time he wrote that story, since that's years before Lo$ existed). But he
didn't intend "Of Ducks and Dimes and Destinies" to be part of Lo$ either.
Still, most people refer to that story as being "chapter 0".

> Both stories take place not in the past
> but in our days (or, as Don says "In 1967").

Not 1967. Some important character would be dead by 1967, in Don's vision of
the Duck world.

BTW, the Cutty Sark story, and other "extra life of Scrooge chapters", are
also taking place in the present (1957 or so), with (rather large)
flash-backs.

> Do you understand now, Armando?

This sounds very patronising.
Do - you - understand - what - I'm - saying, - Apostolis?

--Harry.

Dear All,

I received the first new Disney comic in English I have seen for over a
year on Friday, Gladstones WDC 623. It was like Christmas in the middle
of the year! The incredible thing was that it was posted 58 weeks ago!

There has been a bit or correspondence between myself and Gladstone about
this missing comic over the last year, with Gladstone finally saying that
they will not send out any more replacements to an address which clearly
wasn't any good.

Funny thing was that the comic I received was addressed without a city
location and was addressed to Australia when I live in a completely
different country; New Zealand! This comic has travelled to a great many
places to get to me. It has been to the states of New South Wales,
Queensland, Northern Territories, South Australia, Western Australia,
Victoria and Tasmania.

On the positive side I can report that the packaging Gladstone uses is
absolute top quality. The comic was in very good condition considering
the length of time it has been in the postal system.

Should any of the other extra copies of this comic Gladstone tried to send
to me eventually turn up I will return them to Gladstone, maybe with an
atlas...

My word... an entire Digest about this new Italian Rosa "Lo$" book! And I
did not even know it existed (or was even planned) until Archontis
mentioned something about it during his visit, obviously under the
assumption that I must certainly know all about an entire book being
published that contained only my work. No, that's not how the "Disney
system" works. I never knew a thing about it. Now I'm trying hard just to
see if there's a way I can BUY a copy for myself! Pretty strange, eh? Eh,
I'm used to it by now.
No, "Last Sled to Dawson" is not a "Lo$" story. It simply has a flashback
in it, but all the important parts are set in the "present". And when I did
that story, I had no clue that I would be doing the "Lo$" about 5 years
later. "Lo$" stories either take place entirely in the past or are
introduced by a very brief framing sequence to reestablish for new readers
that this is an "untold story" from an earlier period.
But why didn't someone wonder why "The Dutchman's Secret" is in that book?
It's not a "Lo$" story in the very least way! It has no flashbacks to
$crooge's early life at all, not even a one-panel one! How do the editors
explain their inclusion of that one? (Well, even if I ever get a copy of
the book, I won't know that since my papa never taught me Italian.)
And Apostolis -- why do you keep insisting that I say my stories take place
in 1967 or 1966? I have never told anyone that! I say they take place in a
jumble of years in the mid 1950s. And I also regard Barks' stories, even
the later ones, to be set in this 1950's swirl. (Don't bother to
disagree -- it's simply how I explain my stories to myself. Others can make
their own decision.) But I have never told anyone that my stories are from
"1967".

Armando:
> The book contains also Don's "Duck Family Tree", and an index of the
names
> of the characters appearing in the saga.
Hello! You didn't tell me that:-) I look even more forward to getting
the book now:-)
(It's send)

They called the last sled story 9b? their own invention...

Apostolis
> "Last Sled for Dawson" as a Lo$ chapter? I don't thing so. You see,
"Last
> Sled" is like "The Sign of the Triple Distelfink".
I don't really think there's much comparison, between these two great
stories. Except for the flashbacking I mean.

> Both stories have
> mentions to the past but neither "last Sled" nor "Triple Distelfink"
are
> something like Lo$. Both stories take place not in the past but in
our days
> (or, as Don says "In 1967").
That's not a paranthesis... And Don doesn't say that - Harry is right.
Don would say in the 50'es as barks drew his best stories in that
period and Don read the magazione in this period. 1967 was the year
Scrooge is supposed to die in Don's stories, as he is a human in Don's
comics, and they can't live much longer than that, and Ducks can't at
all.
We will possibly never see Scrooge dead's day, we have only seen that
imaginative scene where Daisy,Donald, Huey,Dewey and Louie stand at his
grave (Look at duckhunt's cover-page). The drawing was done for a
german fanzine telling artists to do a drawing on the sentence:
Whjatever happened to Scrooge?

1957 is more like it, or maybe earlier. Last Sked to Dawson in the
non-flashback-scenes takes places only a few years after Barks' Back to
Klondike, isn't that right?

HARRY
> In this case, it's up to the editors to decide how they advertise a
story.
> This Dawson story was also in the Lo$ album series in Holland, so
Italy is
> not the only one...
Hey, why didn't I get that album when I was in Holland and got all the
other Lo$-albums.. I guess I didn't find it in a shop, and that I
didn't realize its being part of the saga in the editors' mind.

> Not 1967. Some important character would be dead by 1967, in Don's
vision of
> the Duck world.
Right

Apostolis
> Not Exactly. You see, Don said in an interview (again) that "Of
Ducks, Dimes
> and Destinies" is actually the 0 chapter. He didn't say anything
about "Last
> Sled".
I see. But the story shows something that they would want to show in
the book, so I understand them. BTW I hope the editors in italy didn't
write something like: complete, all chapters or something... cause that
wont be true for a long time. We just recently heard from Don here that
he's doing another chapter (10B). Will all the publishers publish
another book then? At least they should publish the story, now that
they've puiblished all the others. And don't come up with this again,
about bad ratings on new Lo$-stories. I don't believe it. Every true
Rosa-fan maybe was also a completist the day the issue with the note to
send in and rate was in the mag, so they kept it... I do that, but I
see that I have be carefull.

> Actually the correct year is...1966. That year Carl Barks stop
drawing
> ducks. So, all the stories are taken place that year (or maybe some
years
> before)
Nah... (Honk! :-)) Barks did stop in 1967, you got that right. some of
the last Scrooge stories was written there, or am I wrong? In any case
it's 1968 in DK, as the last US-story by the duck man was published
that year here...
Some years? at least 10 or so, and that's not some years, that's half
of my lifetime for example!
Don's stories at least, take place from 1877 (published stories) to the
50'es. or are any of you stories supposed to take place in the 60'es
Don?

AC

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>>>No, "Last Sled to Dawson" is not a "Lo$" story.

That's my opinion too. Like "The Triple Distelfink", "Last Sled" isn't a Lo$
chapter 'cause take place in "present". Both stories have some flashbacks
but neither "Triple Distelfink" nor "Last Sled" stories take place in the
past.

>>>But why didn't someone wonder why "The Dutchman's Secret" is in that
book?

That's "inexplicable"!!!

>>>why do you keep insisting that I say my stories take place in 1967 or
1966? I have never told anyone that!

Ooops! Sorry about all that. A week ago, I saw in D.U.C.K.hunt a panel with
your sign which was about U.$. "pass away". In the grave I saw the date
"1867-1967: Fortuna Favet Fortibus" (which means "Fate (Luck) helps the
darings", or something like that). It was 1967 when Barks stop drawing
comics. So. I thought that all the stories take place *before* that year.
That;s my fault, sorry again!

>>>But now I must dash! I have some preparations to make for a lil' dinner
party I'm giving tonight here at my place for friends Mike Kaluta, William
Stout and Mark Schultz who are all in Louisville for a model-makers'
convention. (I never said I was not a name-dropper!)

Dinner party, eh? Try to invite all us in DCML!!!

Again, a question for you: What's your plans about Lo$? Are you going to
make many new chapters like "The Cowboy Captain of Cutty Surk"?

Apostolis from the incredible hot and summer Athens!