Stefan Persson wrote:
> .csa? What kind of weird format is that? My browser reports that
> they are of the Content-Type 'msie/unknown-type', not sure what that
> is.
They're .ace files. Comic Display doesn't seem to open them (even though
the .cba extention may lead you to think it would). Still you can open
them with WinRAR (or any other compression utility, I guess).
Francesco
Author
Topic: 200601
(71 messages)
Francesco Spreafico
Life Of Scrooge in Arabia,
Message 16 -
2006-01-06 at 15:32:30
Stefan Persson
Life Of Scrooge in Arabia,
Message 17 -
2006-01-06 at 21:53:26
Dooma wrote:
>> Dooma wrote:
>>> You can access these scanned comics -and some other than LO$- in Arabic
>> at
>>> http://disegy001.siteburg.com
>> .csa? What kind of weird format is that? My browser reports that they
>> are of the Content-Type 'msie/unknown-type', not sure what that is.
>
> They are of .cba extension, you can use CDisplay 1.8 (comic display) to view
> it, another alternative is to convert them to .ace type and extract them
> using winace
What's 'CDisplay' and 'winace' (and where can I find a UNIX version of
those programs)? And what's '.ace type'?
Stefan
>> Dooma wrote:
>>> You can access these scanned comics -and some other than LO$- in Arabic
>> at
>>> http://disegy001.siteburg.com
>> .csa? What kind of weird format is that? My browser reports that they
>> are of the Content-Type 'msie/unknown-type', not sure what that is.
>
> They are of .cba extension, you can use CDisplay 1.8 (comic display) to view
> it, another alternative is to convert them to .ace type and extract them
> using winace
What's 'CDisplay' and 'winace' (and where can I find a UNIX version of
those programs)? And what's '.ace type'?
Stefan
Dooma
Life Of Scrooge in Arabia,
Message 18 -
2006-01-06 at 23:08:46
> They're .ace files. Comic Display doesn't seem to open them (even though
> the .cba extention may lead you to think it would). Still you can open
> them with WinRAR (or any other compression utility, I guess).
>
I'm sure comic display do open them... you might be using an old version of
CDisplay
You can download version 1.8 from the http://disneyegypt.files.get2.us
I would like to add that the site I've sent before was just a temporarily
site, the original site is http://disneyegypt.get2.us I was just using the
other URL because get2.us was down
> the .cba extention may lead you to think it would). Still you can open
> them with WinRAR (or any other compression utility, I guess).
>
I'm sure comic display do open them... you might be using an old version of
CDisplay
You can download version 1.8 from the http://disneyegypt.files.get2.us
I would like to add that the site I've sent before was just a temporarily
site, the original site is http://disneyegypt.get2.us I was just using the
other URL because get2.us was down
Francesco Spreafico
Life Of Scrooge in Arabia,
Message 19 -
2006-01-06 at 23:55:46
Stefan Persson wrote:
> What's 'CDisplay' and 'winace' (and where can I find a UNIX version of
> those programs)? And what's '.ace type'?
An .ace file is a compressed file.
CDisplay is the (windows) application to read comics on a PC.
http://www.geocities.com/davidayton/CDisplay
Actually all it does is read jpg, png and gif files from the inside of a
zip file (.cbz), rar file (.cbr) or (now I see that version 1.8 supports
it, as Dooma says), ace files (.cba).
I don't know any UNIX versions of it, but since at the end they're just
compressed files I think that any compression utility will do (after
renaming the files back to .zip, .rar or .ace).
Francesco
> What's 'CDisplay' and 'winace' (and where can I find a UNIX version of
> those programs)? And what's '.ace type'?
An .ace file is a compressed file.
CDisplay is the (windows) application to read comics on a PC.
http://www.geocities.com/davidayton/CDisplay
Actually all it does is read jpg, png and gif files from the inside of a
zip file (.cbz), rar file (.cbr) or (now I see that version 1.8 supports
it, as Dooma says), ace files (.cba).
I don't know any UNIX versions of it, but since at the end they're just
compressed files I think that any compression utility will do (after
renaming the files back to .zip, .rar or .ace).
Francesco
Goofy313g
Paperozzo
Message 20 -
2006-01-07 at 00:43:18
There is a cousin which seems to be called Paperozzo in a story by Luciano
Bottaro onli published in italy in
Topolino (Libretto) 484 (1965)
I Maestri Disney 21 (2001)
I?TL??484-A
could some Italian fellows confirm this and provide more informations and/or
scans of this character?? thanks!!
Gilles
Bottaro onli published in italy in
Topolino (Libretto) 484 (1965)
I Maestri Disney 21 (2001)
I?TL??484-A
could some Italian fellows confirm this and provide more informations and/or
scans of this character?? thanks!!
Gilles
Armando Botto
Paperozzo
Message 21 -
2006-01-08 at 10:20:57
Gilles:
> There is a cousin which seems to be called Paperozzo in a story by Luciano
> Bottaro [...]
> could some Italian fellows confirm this and provide more informations
> and/or
> scans of this character?? thanks!!
Cousin Paperozzo, created by Carlo Chendi and drawn by Luciano Bottaro,
indeed appeared only in "Paperino e il cugino burlone".
In that story, he comes to visit Donald for a few days; according to what
Donald says, they used to play together when they were very little kids
(they're the same age, and haven't met since when they were three years
old). Paperozzo soon proves to be a terrible prankster: in a few hours'
time, he manages to exasperate Donald with no less than 10 practical jokes.
Donald gets his revenge by covering him in honey: we last see Paperozzo
running away, pursued by a swarm of angry bees.
I've scanned a panel from the story, and I'm sending it to you in private
mail.
Ciao,
Armando
> There is a cousin which seems to be called Paperozzo in a story by Luciano
> Bottaro [...]
> could some Italian fellows confirm this and provide more informations
> and/or
> scans of this character?? thanks!!
Cousin Paperozzo, created by Carlo Chendi and drawn by Luciano Bottaro,
indeed appeared only in "Paperino e il cugino burlone".
In that story, he comes to visit Donald for a few days; according to what
Donald says, they used to play together when they were very little kids
(they're the same age, and haven't met since when they were three years
old). Paperozzo soon proves to be a terrible prankster: in a few hours'
time, he manages to exasperate Donald with no less than 10 practical jokes.
Donald gets his revenge by covering him in honey: we last see Paperozzo
running away, pursued by a swarm of angry bees.
I've scanned a panel from the story, and I'm sending it to you in private
mail.
Ciao,
Armando
Goofy313g
Gus' and Sock's spanish translation in INDUCKS (
Message 22 -
2006-01-09 at 11:42:18
In Inducks it's told that Gus' spanish name is Sans?n...
Then, on the scans of YD?44-04-03, when Donald is reading Gus' letter (whom
he refers to as Uncle Gus when he speaks to the boys), which announces the soon
arrival of Sock, we can see on the spanish version that Sans?n is actually
Sock, and Gus is referred to as "Tio Ganso"... So if Gus is actually called
"Sans?n" in other spanish translated stories, then I should put "Tio Ganso" (Uncle
Ganso) in my new section of special relatives, which will include characters
created in translations, fake cousins, and characters that don't fit in my
tree because it would be too inconsistent...
Gilles
Then, on the scans of YD?44-04-03, when Donald is reading Gus' letter (whom
he refers to as Uncle Gus when he speaks to the boys), which announces the soon
arrival of Sock, we can see on the spanish version that Sans?n is actually
Sock, and Gus is referred to as "Tio Ganso"... So if Gus is actually called
"Sans?n" in other spanish translated stories, then I should put "Tio Ganso" (Uncle
Ganso) in my new section of special relatives, which will include characters
created in translations, fake cousins, and characters that don't fit in my
tree because it would be too inconsistent...
Gilles
Goofy313g
Paperozzo : Gus' Brother?
Message 23 -
2006-01-09 at 11:42:42
Thanks a lot for your scan, Armando!!!
I noticed that Paperozzo looks like Gus (clothes)
Does he have a last name? if not, he could be his brother...
It has already been discussed here that Fred, Donald's cousin from H?85125
also looks like gus, and could also be his brother (moreover, his name in dutch
is Thijs which sounds like Gijs, Gus' dutch name)... Triplets again??? :-)
Other known relatives of Gus from his generation are his cousin Moss from
S?64107 (unless he's a translation mistake), his clarinette player cousin
Artemio, from I?TL?2447-5 (I still need a scan of him), and his cousin Greta from
W?WDC?141-04. There is also a cousin of him names Hans in the dutch version of
W?US???55-05, but it might also ba a translation mistake. Relatives of him
are also in B?770235, but they're just mentionned by name, I guess ...
Gilles
I noticed that Paperozzo looks like Gus (clothes)
Does he have a last name? if not, he could be his brother...
It has already been discussed here that Fred, Donald's cousin from H?85125
also looks like gus, and could also be his brother (moreover, his name in dutch
is Thijs which sounds like Gijs, Gus' dutch name)... Triplets again??? :-)
Other known relatives of Gus from his generation are his cousin Moss from
S?64107 (unless he's a translation mistake), his clarinette player cousin
Artemio, from I?TL?2447-5 (I still need a scan of him), and his cousin Greta from
W?WDC?141-04. There is also a cousin of him names Hans in the dutch version of
W?US???55-05, but it might also ba a translation mistake. Relatives of him
are also in B?770235, but they're just mentionned by name, I guess ...
Gilles
Goofy313g
Gyro's cousin or french translation mistake?
Message 24 -
2006-01-09 at 11:51:21
in the french version of W?DD???35-05 appears a character who looks a bit
like gyro but with a really long beak, and is translated as Gyro's cousin Theo,
but I wondered if this character was actually Gyro or his cousin in the
original version...
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/W+DD+++35-05
Gilled
like gyro but with a really long beak, and is translated as Gyro's cousin Theo,
but I wondered if this character was actually Gyro or his cousin in the
original version...
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php/x/W+DD+++35-05
Gilled
Goofy313g
A Website about Donald's Family Tree (!!!??? I wonder what the
Message 25 -
2006-01-09 at 19:55:26
I just found this page today
http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2005/05/_donald_ducks_f.html
unfortunately I can't check the actual tree, as you have to pay for that
I just wondered what people here thought about this, several references in
the article (the use of the name fauntleroy as well as the name "scotty" for
scrooge's father made me wonder if this guy didn't use my work without telling
me, I don't have any objection for using my work in other sites, even if I'd
like to be referred to somewhere, but certainly NOT in paying contents!! Please
tell me if I'm not too paranoid, and what you think I should do...
Gilles
http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2005/05/_donald_ducks_f.html
unfortunately I can't check the actual tree, as you have to pay for that
I just wondered what people here thought about this, several references in
the article (the use of the name fauntleroy as well as the name "scotty" for
scrooge's father made me wonder if this guy didn't use my work without telling
me, I don't have any objection for using my work in other sites, even if I'd
like to be referred to somewhere, but certainly NOT in paying contents!! Please
tell me if I'm not too paranoid, and what you think I should do...
Gilles
M.J. Prior
Gyro's nephew
Message 26 -
2006-01-09 at 22:55:56
To Gilles Maurice:
On your tree, Gyro Gearloose has two different nephews,
Wimpie and Newton. Your text on Wimpie is:
> In the stories "Spieken" and "Neef Billie", both by Ruud
> Straatman and Jos? Colomer Fonts, published on fourth
> cover of the 1986 Dutch "Donald Duck" #1986-37 and #1986-
> 45, appears this nephew of Gyro, who is called Wimpie
> (Newton is called Billie in the Netherlands, so they are
> different characters)
I'm afraid that "different names in Dutch translations" is
not a very valid argument for telling two characters
apart.
Recently I saw a Dutch translation in which Newton was
dubbed "Newton" instead of Billie (or Wimpie). Would you
take this to mean that Gyro has indeed *three* different
nephews? [More triplets? Yes!]
BUT I haven't seen any of the one-pagers you mention and
for all I know there could indeed be two different nephews
involved, so this post is pretty useless, but I thought I
should mention it.
I think Newton is a sufficiently minor character to get
accidentally renamed by different translators. Wimpie
could very well be Newton-Billie, since they look the same
(on your tree). I think Ruud Straatman could very well
have made a little slip when plotting the gag, for as far
as I can gather he doesn't seem the person to bother about
such small details.
And other (far more) minor characters and locations have
also had different translations in Dutch stories. There
are different translations for Fulton Gearloose, the
International Money Council, White Agony Creek, Pizen
Bluff, Pothole McDuck and Detective Casey. I don't think
you should take Dutch translating consistency for granted.
> There is also a cousin of him names Hans in the dutch
> version of W US 55-05, but it might also be a translation
> mistake.
About "Hans Gans" from the Dutch translation of W US
55-05:
I think the text mentioned him as Gus's brother, rather
than his cousin, but again, I'm not sure, because I don't
have access to a copy, but I know for certain that I've
read the story. If this was a translator's decision, it
might be because Gus was not very "in character" in that
story. "Hans" is more active and brighter, instead of lazy
and a tad dim-witted. (It's a story about Gyro having a
detective agency and Gus/Hans doing the actual brainwork.)
Greetings, Michiel Prior.
On your tree, Gyro Gearloose has two different nephews,
Wimpie and Newton. Your text on Wimpie is:
> In the stories "Spieken" and "Neef Billie", both by Ruud
> Straatman and Jos? Colomer Fonts, published on fourth
> cover of the 1986 Dutch "Donald Duck" #1986-37 and #1986-
> 45, appears this nephew of Gyro, who is called Wimpie
> (Newton is called Billie in the Netherlands, so they are
> different characters)
I'm afraid that "different names in Dutch translations" is
not a very valid argument for telling two characters
apart.
Recently I saw a Dutch translation in which Newton was
dubbed "Newton" instead of Billie (or Wimpie). Would you
take this to mean that Gyro has indeed *three* different
nephews? [More triplets? Yes!]
BUT I haven't seen any of the one-pagers you mention and
for all I know there could indeed be two different nephews
involved, so this post is pretty useless, but I thought I
should mention it.
I think Newton is a sufficiently minor character to get
accidentally renamed by different translators. Wimpie
could very well be Newton-Billie, since they look the same
(on your tree). I think Ruud Straatman could very well
have made a little slip when plotting the gag, for as far
as I can gather he doesn't seem the person to bother about
such small details.
And other (far more) minor characters and locations have
also had different translations in Dutch stories. There
are different translations for Fulton Gearloose, the
International Money Council, White Agony Creek, Pizen
Bluff, Pothole McDuck and Detective Casey. I don't think
you should take Dutch translating consistency for granted.
> There is also a cousin of him names Hans in the dutch
> version of W US 55-05, but it might also be a translation
> mistake.
About "Hans Gans" from the Dutch translation of W US
55-05:
I think the text mentioned him as Gus's brother, rather
than his cousin, but again, I'm not sure, because I don't
have access to a copy, but I know for certain that I've
read the story. If this was a translator's decision, it
might be because Gus was not very "in character" in that
story. "Hans" is more active and brighter, instead of lazy
and a tad dim-witted. (It's a story about Gyro having a
detective agency and Gus/Hans doing the actual brainwork.)
Greetings, Michiel Prior.
Donald D. Markstein
Stealing Web content
Message 27 -
2006-01-10 at 14:51:21
> I just found this page today
>
> http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2005/05/_donald_ducks_f.html
>
> unfortunately I can't check the actual tree, as you have to pay for that
>
>
> I just wondered what people here thought about this, several
> references in the article (the use of the name fauntleroy as well as
> the name "scotty" for scrooge's father made me wonder if this guy
> didn't use my work without telling me, I don't have any objection for
> using my work in other sites, even if I'd like to be referred to
> somewhere, but certainly NOT in paying contents!! Please tell me if
> I'm not too paranoid, and what you think I should do...
>
>
> Gilles
Gilles, I deal with plagiarism all the time. That's what happens when
you put so much work into Web content that it becomes attractive to
freeloading thieves, who think that because it's easy to steal (like a
bicycle left on the front lawn), it's therefore morally and perhaps even
legally acceptable. There are people right on this list who take that
vile, destructive attitude.
First step is to go to any domain registrar, and find their "WHOIS"
function. Use it to look up the legal contact for eogn.com, then write
to explain the situation, i.e., that you suspect thievery (and state
why), but that you'd rather not PAY to see your own work and confirm it.
(But try to put across an impression that you're perfectly willing to go
that far if you have to, to shut down a plagiarist.) Use the word
"copyright" even if you haven't taken steps to establish it -- legally,
you own one the moment the work is created.
Once the theft is confirmed, they should ask you a half-dozen or so
questions to confirm that you're the legal owner of the intellectual
property. Answer them correctly, and if all goes smoothly, the material
will be gone in a couple of days.
If you don't get satisfaction from eogn.com, use WHOIS to find out who
hosts the domain, and repeat the process. They'll be very protective of
their legal standing, and are likely to cooperate in rooting out theft
that they can be held responsible for.
Some people take the attitude that it's okay for others to use their
work without permission, and that's cool -- FOR THEM. But those who
believe they're entitled to own what they so painstakingly create do
have legal recourse.
Why should they take it? Well, for one thing, there's possible loss of
revenue -- for the past six-plus years, I've been treating my
Toonopedia(tm) (http://www.toonopedia.com) as a part-time job, just as I
do my other work. Now that it's finally starting to bring in serious
money, I want to be the one to reap the rewards, and I resent the hell
out of a no-talent, no-ambition dork hijacking my work. Not only does it
have the potential of directly siphoning off income that should be mine,
there's also the indirect damage from the fact that search engines
penalize duplicate content. I stand to lose my favored position in
Google et al., which I've worked so hard to achieve.
But even if you're not in it as an entrepreneur, you're certainly in it
for SOMETHING. Whether it's public credit and admiration, the warm
feeling of having added to the sum of knowledge in the world, or
whatever -- this guy is trying to get the same benefit by stealing your
work (and if I were you, I'd find it particularly galling to see him
charge money for it). You don't have to let him get away with it.
Good luck! With proper cooperation, you should have no problems, but as
I know from experience, it can be difficult and frustrating to
re-establish ownership of stolen work. At least the law is on your side.
Quack, Don
>
> http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2005/05/_donald_ducks_f.html
>
> unfortunately I can't check the actual tree, as you have to pay for that
>
>
> I just wondered what people here thought about this, several
> references in the article (the use of the name fauntleroy as well as
> the name "scotty" for scrooge's father made me wonder if this guy
> didn't use my work without telling me, I don't have any objection for
> using my work in other sites, even if I'd like to be referred to
> somewhere, but certainly NOT in paying contents!! Please tell me if
> I'm not too paranoid, and what you think I should do...
>
>
> Gilles
Gilles, I deal with plagiarism all the time. That's what happens when
you put so much work into Web content that it becomes attractive to
freeloading thieves, who think that because it's easy to steal (like a
bicycle left on the front lawn), it's therefore morally and perhaps even
legally acceptable. There are people right on this list who take that
vile, destructive attitude.
First step is to go to any domain registrar, and find their "WHOIS"
function. Use it to look up the legal contact for eogn.com, then write
to explain the situation, i.e., that you suspect thievery (and state
why), but that you'd rather not PAY to see your own work and confirm it.
(But try to put across an impression that you're perfectly willing to go
that far if you have to, to shut down a plagiarist.) Use the word
"copyright" even if you haven't taken steps to establish it -- legally,
you own one the moment the work is created.
Once the theft is confirmed, they should ask you a half-dozen or so
questions to confirm that you're the legal owner of the intellectual
property. Answer them correctly, and if all goes smoothly, the material
will be gone in a couple of days.
If you don't get satisfaction from eogn.com, use WHOIS to find out who
hosts the domain, and repeat the process. They'll be very protective of
their legal standing, and are likely to cooperate in rooting out theft
that they can be held responsible for.
Some people take the attitude that it's okay for others to use their
work without permission, and that's cool -- FOR THEM. But those who
believe they're entitled to own what they so painstakingly create do
have legal recourse.
Why should they take it? Well, for one thing, there's possible loss of
revenue -- for the past six-plus years, I've been treating my
Toonopedia(tm) (http://www.toonopedia.com) as a part-time job, just as I
do my other work. Now that it's finally starting to bring in serious
money, I want to be the one to reap the rewards, and I resent the hell
out of a no-talent, no-ambition dork hijacking my work. Not only does it
have the potential of directly siphoning off income that should be mine,
there's also the indirect damage from the fact that search engines
penalize duplicate content. I stand to lose my favored position in
Google et al., which I've worked so hard to achieve.
But even if you're not in it as an entrepreneur, you're certainly in it
for SOMETHING. Whether it's public credit and admiration, the warm
feeling of having added to the sum of knowledge in the world, or
whatever -- this guy is trying to get the same benefit by stealing your
work (and if I were you, I'd find it particularly galling to see him
charge money for it). You don't have to let him get away with it.
Good luck! With proper cooperation, you should have no problems, but as
I know from experience, it can be difficult and frustrating to
re-establish ownership of stolen work. At least the law is on your side.
Quack, Don
Goofy313g
Gyro's nephew(s?),
Message 28 -
2006-01-10 at 15:48:07
I pretty much agree with you, moreover Wimpie wears exactly the same clothes
than Newton, and the original title of one of his stories is creadited as
"Neef Billie" in INDUCKS... So I guess I should remove it, but on another side,
these two stories are quite recent, so the people who write the text before it's
published must have deliberately known they were wrong, no? (I mean, maybe
the scenarist goofed, but doesn't at least another person check scenarios before
they get published?) About Wimpie, he seems to be less quiet and clever than
Newton, playing with gyro's inventions etc, but I don't know the real newton
enough to be sure about that... Maybe the persons that actually think that
Wimpie should be considered as different (I think Harry Fluks does, or at least
he's the person who sent me scans of these two stories)
About Giggi, Luca Boschi told me : "They
were created by two different story-men (Bob Gregory and Vic Lockman, maybe
one ignoring the other) and have two different personalities. But in Italy,
for example, the translator made a mistake and used them as if they were the
same character. Indeed, seems that Giggy was used only once in USA comic
books."
So does that mean that each time newton is involved with the Junior
Woodchucks, he is actually Giggy? Could somebody really think about this and check if
there are no contradictions to this statement in any story ever?
Here is a list to some characters considered as two different characters in
some contexts, which is just (or might be) a translation mistake:
* The Daisy Duck from the Barks sea story where everybody looks strange is
called cousin Petra in Danish!
* Cornelius coot is considered as at least three different characters in
Germany
* Gastoncino, Gladstone's nephew from 1907-A (Qui, Quo, Qua e il cugino
Gastoncino) created by Comicup studios, might have been intended to be the same
as Shamrocks... (could somebody check how he's named in his two other stories
published in Italy (W?OS??649-06 and W?JW???69-01, it would be benefic both for
my work and the exactness of Inducks) Moreover, in his last appearance,
he's called Clyde in the US...
*Moocher McDuck :
it: Stracetton de'Paperoni / Mac Mucher / Paperoff
dan: Kilian McKluns / TimTiger / Skamplet von And?
dut: Sloebe Duck?
bra: Nadinhas / Galt?rio
greek: Apentar McDuck
And as many names as personalities (the way he's genealogically related to
Scrooge even changes sometimes, I think) And the way he looks is also quite
different from a story to another... But we chose to consider him as the same
character, for some reasons, so I don't see why I'd do that for him and still
consider Wimpie and Newton as different..
*Moss, gus' cousin from S?64107 has been translated in Danish as being
different than Gus (is there a way to check the original intentions of the writer?)
*Hans, Gus' cousin/brother from the Dutch version of W US 55-05 seems to be
the same kind of mistake : a character too different from his r?le... But I'm
sure that if we check the original version, it's still Gus, I can't afford to
consider him as Gus (or at least as a possible second appearance of Moss)
could anybody check how it's been translated in his country?
* Gyro's cousin from W?DD???35-05 (here it's not the personnality that don't
fit with the character, but rather his face)
*I'd be delighted to have precisions on the story D?97589 "Much Ado About
Phooey"
Gilles
than Newton, and the original title of one of his stories is creadited as
"Neef Billie" in INDUCKS... So I guess I should remove it, but on another side,
these two stories are quite recent, so the people who write the text before it's
published must have deliberately known they were wrong, no? (I mean, maybe
the scenarist goofed, but doesn't at least another person check scenarios before
they get published?) About Wimpie, he seems to be less quiet and clever than
Newton, playing with gyro's inventions etc, but I don't know the real newton
enough to be sure about that... Maybe the persons that actually think that
Wimpie should be considered as different (I think Harry Fluks does, or at least
he's the person who sent me scans of these two stories)
About Giggi, Luca Boschi told me : "They
were created by two different story-men (Bob Gregory and Vic Lockman, maybe
one ignoring the other) and have two different personalities. But in Italy,
for example, the translator made a mistake and used them as if they were the
same character. Indeed, seems that Giggy was used only once in USA comic
books."
So does that mean that each time newton is involved with the Junior
Woodchucks, he is actually Giggy? Could somebody really think about this and check if
there are no contradictions to this statement in any story ever?
Here is a list to some characters considered as two different characters in
some contexts, which is just (or might be) a translation mistake:
* The Daisy Duck from the Barks sea story where everybody looks strange is
called cousin Petra in Danish!
* Cornelius coot is considered as at least three different characters in
Germany
* Gastoncino, Gladstone's nephew from 1907-A (Qui, Quo, Qua e il cugino
Gastoncino) created by Comicup studios, might have been intended to be the same
as Shamrocks... (could somebody check how he's named in his two other stories
published in Italy (W?OS??649-06 and W?JW???69-01, it would be benefic both for
my work and the exactness of Inducks) Moreover, in his last appearance,
he's called Clyde in the US...
*Moocher McDuck :
it: Stracetton de'Paperoni / Mac Mucher / Paperoff
dan: Kilian McKluns / TimTiger / Skamplet von And?
dut: Sloebe Duck?
bra: Nadinhas / Galt?rio
greek: Apentar McDuck
And as many names as personalities (the way he's genealogically related to
Scrooge even changes sometimes, I think) And the way he looks is also quite
different from a story to another... But we chose to consider him as the same
character, for some reasons, so I don't see why I'd do that for him and still
consider Wimpie and Newton as different..
*Moss, gus' cousin from S?64107 has been translated in Danish as being
different than Gus (is there a way to check the original intentions of the writer?)
*Hans, Gus' cousin/brother from the Dutch version of W US 55-05 seems to be
the same kind of mistake : a character too different from his r?le... But I'm
sure that if we check the original version, it's still Gus, I can't afford to
consider him as Gus (or at least as a possible second appearance of Moss)
could anybody check how it's been translated in his country?
* Gyro's cousin from W?DD???35-05 (here it's not the personnality that don't
fit with the character, but rather his face)
*I'd be delighted to have precisions on the story D?97589 "Much Ado About
Phooey"
Gilles
Olaf Solstrand
A Website about Donald's Family Tree (!!!??? I wonder what the
Message 29 -
2006-01-10 at 18:29:53
Hello,
it may just be me, but I think that Donald's middle name and Scrooge's
father's name is not enough to suspect plagiatism. However, using sources
when writing an article is perfectly normal and legal, and should you be a
source for this you're probably mentioned in the sources for the article
(which unfortunately is not in the free version).
I suggest you e-mail the article author (if that was possible) and ask him
if you are among his sources. :-) No need to make things worse than that
:-)
Olaf
who uses sources every day
<Goofy313g at aol.com> skreiv Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:55:26 +0100
> I just found this page today
>
> http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2005/05/_donald_ducks_f.html
>
> unfortunately I can't check the actual tree, as you have to pay for that
>
>
> I just wondered what people here thought about this, several references
> in
> the article (the use of the name fauntleroy as well as the name "scotty"
> for
> scrooge's father made me wonder if this guy didn't use my work without
> telling
> me, I don't have any objection for using my work in other sites, even if
> I'd
> like to be referred to somewhere, but certainly NOT in paying contents!!
> Please
> tell me if I'm not too paranoid, and what you think I should do...
>
>
> Gilles
--
Olaf Solstrand
Solstrand Tekst og Bobler
Postboks 10
9013 TROMS?
Noreg / Norway
Telefon: (+47) 957 08 325
E-post: olaf.solstrand at andebyonline.com
Org.nr.: 986 012 559
it may just be me, but I think that Donald's middle name and Scrooge's
father's name is not enough to suspect plagiatism. However, using sources
when writing an article is perfectly normal and legal, and should you be a
source for this you're probably mentioned in the sources for the article
(which unfortunately is not in the free version).
I suggest you e-mail the article author (if that was possible) and ask him
if you are among his sources. :-) No need to make things worse than that
:-)
Olaf
who uses sources every day
<Goofy313g at aol.com> skreiv Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:55:26 +0100
> I just found this page today
>
> http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2005/05/_donald_ducks_f.html
>
> unfortunately I can't check the actual tree, as you have to pay for that
>
>
> I just wondered what people here thought about this, several references
> in
> the article (the use of the name fauntleroy as well as the name "scotty"
> for
> scrooge's father made me wonder if this guy didn't use my work without
> telling
> me, I don't have any objection for using my work in other sites, even if
> I'd
> like to be referred to somewhere, but certainly NOT in paying contents!!
> Please
> tell me if I'm not too paranoid, and what you think I should do...
>
>
> Gilles
--
Olaf Solstrand
Solstrand Tekst og Bobler
Postboks 10
9013 TROMS?
Noreg / Norway
Telefon: (+47) 957 08 325
E-post: olaf.solstrand at andebyonline.com
Org.nr.: 986 012 559
Goofy313g
A Website about Donald's Family Tree
Message 30 -
2006-01-10 at 19:02:06
Well I might have overrreacted, ...
I had totally forgotten that Per Starback's website were the first to mention
Old Scotty as Scrooge's father (it's even this page about Bark's duck family
tree which gave me the idea of starting my own duck tree!)
I'm a bit ashamed of the way I reacted, but I'll add that it was very late
and I was suffering from food intoxication and fever!!
Moreover, I contacted this guy and he answered me that in the full version he
mentionned all his sources (which I'm not even a part of, btw)...
A french proverb says you have to turn 7 times your toungue in your mouth
before speaking, I guess you also have to turn your finger 7 times around your
mouse before sending an unuseful message to hundreds of people :-)
I'd also say that I often send messages that may not be appropriate to
mailing list, but I only realise it after : I only read the archives, not the
messages themselves, so I don't realise that these messages are actually destinated
to be automatically read by the members, who can't choose... It makes me see
dcml more as a forum, which it's not...
But well, it's not always negative, as we just had a brillant lesson of how
to deal with plagiarism by Donald D. Markstein (thanks, Don!)
Gilles
(btw I still don't know how to change my name from
Goofy313g at aol.com to Gilles, should I create a new identity?)
I had totally forgotten that Per Starback's website were the first to mention
Old Scotty as Scrooge's father (it's even this page about Bark's duck family
tree which gave me the idea of starting my own duck tree!)
I'm a bit ashamed of the way I reacted, but I'll add that it was very late
and I was suffering from food intoxication and fever!!
Moreover, I contacted this guy and he answered me that in the full version he
mentionned all his sources (which I'm not even a part of, btw)...
A french proverb says you have to turn 7 times your toungue in your mouth
before speaking, I guess you also have to turn your finger 7 times around your
mouse before sending an unuseful message to hundreds of people :-)
I'd also say that I often send messages that may not be appropriate to
mailing list, but I only realise it after : I only read the archives, not the
messages themselves, so I don't realise that these messages are actually destinated
to be automatically read by the members, who can't choose... It makes me see
dcml more as a forum, which it's not...
But well, it's not always negative, as we just had a brillant lesson of how
to deal with plagiarism by Donald D. Markstein (thanks, Don!)
Gilles
(btw I still don't know how to change my name from
Goofy313g at aol.com to Gilles, should I create a new identity?)