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Donald D. Markstein
> Well I might have overrreacted, ...
> I had totally forgotten that Per Starback's website were the first to
> mention Old Scotty as Scrooge's father (it's even this page about
> Bark's duck family tree which gave me the idea of starting my own duck
> tree!)
>
> I'm a bit ashamed of the way I reacted, but I'll add that it was very
> late and I was suffering from food intoxication and fever!!
>
>
> Moreover, I contacted this guy and he answered me that in the full
> version he mentionned all his sources (which I'm not even a part of,
> btw)...
>
>
> A french proverb says you have to turn 7 times your toungue in your
> mouth before speaking, I guess you also have to turn your finger 7
> times around your mouse before sending an unuseful message to hundreds
> of people :-)
>
>
> I'd also say that I often send messages that may not be appropriate to
> mailing list, but I only realise it after : I only read the archives,
> not the messages themselves, so I don't realise that these messages
> are actually destinated to be automatically read by the members, who
> can't choose... It makes me see dcml more as a forum, which it's not...
>
> But well, it's not always negative, as we just had a brillant lesson
> of how to deal with plagiarism by Donald D. Markstein (thanks, Don!)
>
> Gilles
> (btw I still don't know how to change my name from
> Goofy313g at aol.com to Gilles, should I create a new identity?)

Well, Gilles, I'm glad it was a false alarm -- that's always the best
outcome in this type of situation. But I don't think you should have
called my response "brilliant". It's just a few little things I've
picked up through experience. If you want BRILLIANT ways to deal with
things like this, check out the "Copyright" section of the forums at
Webmasterworld.com -- a site I heartily recommend for anyone running a
site of his own. Those guys REALLY know how to deal with thieves! Also,
everything else having to do with the business.

Aside to Olaf -- we're not talking about using sources (however this
particular case may have turned out). People use me as a source all the
time, and I'm always glad to see it. But outright plagiarism --
copy-and-paste stuff -- just isn't right. What do these guys imagine
they're doing? Adding to the world's knowledge? Can't be, because what
they post is already there. Making it more easily available? Given my
traffic and Google rankings, I doubt there's anything a two-bit thief
can do to improve its circulation. Expressing the creativity of their
souls? Puh-lease! It's theft, pure and simple, absolutely without value.

Quack, Don
Nicolas Roudier
Hello from France !

I'm trying to collect and to make an exhaustive list of all stories and gags by Carl Barks.
I lead for months a serious study of many references, and my list is now quite completed.

But it still remains a mystery that I can resolve. There are 165 gags (1 page or less) known by Carl Barks, and only 4 gags doesn't have known creation date (the publication date is ok) :

Code Title Creation date Publication date CB Library

DD 71-05 Rainbow's End ????-??-?? 1960-05 II/3/570
US 25-07 Uncle Scrooge ????-??-?? 1959-03 IV/1/185
US 32-05 The Homey Touch ????-??-?? 1960-12 IV/2/416
US 32-07 Turnabout ????-??-?? 1960-12 IV/2/317

I want at least to have the possibility to replace these gags among the 161 others by creation date .
I read that these four gags could originally have been one of three unidentified /disappeared Uncle Scrooge gags submitted on October 1, 1958.

From looking at the artwork,DD 71-05, US 25-07 and US 32-05 seems to be more typical for Barks' work of the late 1950's (i.e., 1958 or 1959), while US 32-07 seems to be a somewhat earlier work (stylistic and thematical resemblance to US 33-01 "Tree Trick").

So, DD 71-05 and US 32-05 may indeed be some of those unidentified gags from 1958-10-01, which is supported by the fact that the other known 1958-10-01 gag, US 27-05 "Crawls for Cash", is a half-pager, too. There are doubts about US 25-07 for which the publication date is just a bit too early.

But this is all just guesswork :

1. Is any one have new elements on these four gags.

2. Is someone have other ideas for replacing these gags among the others by creation date ? For US 32/6, who seems to be ealier, do you have an idea to place it among the others ?

3. Could someone indicate me a mean to reach the creation dates...

I have already contacted Michael Barrier, Geoffrey Blum, Gerd Syllwasschy (BarksBase) who gave me very interesting informations but not the answer... (Chase Craig would have been a good help but he's not with us anymore...)
Jerryblake2
I've been going through several of the old digests from ten years or so back and have seen several references to a sequel to PIRATE GOLD by David Gerstein, called RETURN TO MORGAN'S ISLAND. Has this story ever been printed in the United States, or did it run up against some censorship issues from the "Disney" Studio? Or was it published during Gladstone's last run and did I just miss it? I'm curious, since it sounds like an interesting story.
UNDBKB
> I just wondered what people here thought about this, several
> >references in the article (the use of the name fauntleroy as well as
> >the name "scotty" for scrooge's father made me wonder if this guy
> >didn't use my work without telling me,
> >Gilles

I do not know this fellow but he does reference a 1950 comic for his use of
"Scotty"
and I know I have seen the use of Fauntleroy on Donald's draft notice in a
reference book I own on Donald.
These 2 references alone are available to everyone.
I would ask him where he got his material.
His truth in answering you, may prove beneficial in further steps.

SMcDuck
Goofy313g
Thanks a lot again for the scan of Paperozzo, my tree sure represents a lot
of work and time, but it couldn't exist with my modest French-only publications
comics collection...
This is really the result of the work of lots of duck-hunters around the
world :-)

I wondered... Would you mind if I send you a list of characters of Donald's
family who only appeared in Italian publication and maybe you can check the
stories when and if you have really nothing else to do (like on rainy days or
when you're sick, or when there's nothing interresting running on tv... lol )
:-)
So there should be a few relatives to scan, and also some other whose scan I
already have, but whom original Italian names I need so that I'm sure I won't
put them at a wrong place in my tree, as re-building it each time I have to
make a correction is really a huge work (I use simultaneously Adobe Photoshop
for the images, Illustrator for the links between the characters and the "ducky"
question marks, and InDesign for the building of the tree itself, the texts
and the links that go across several generations (like the "adopted uncle link"
that runs between Scrooge and Webby, Paperetta yeye, Bubba and Genie...),
which is very difficult and result in a huge pdf file, but It's of good image
quality and it's zoomable (so instead of the old one in jpeg and gif, which was
1m40 width, people can adjust it to any printer size, and names are even
readable on a A3 file)...

http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/trees/myducktree.pdf

(this is a link to a temporary version of the new tree in pdf)

Please let me know if it would be possible for you to do that, but don't feel
obliged, I'm perfectly aware that it might be a bit boring to do that, and
that you may have a life besides Disney Comics :-) Moreover, you already helped
me quite a lot!!!

Thanks a lot again,
Best regards and Ciao!
Gilles Maurice
David Gerstein
Hey Jerry,

[I] have seen several references to a sequel to PIRATE GOLD by David
Gerstein, called RETURN TO MORGAN'S ISLAND. Has this story ever been printed
in the United States, or did it run up against some censorship issues from
the "Disney" Studio? Or was it published during Gladstone's last run and did
I just miss it?

I developed this 28-page story between 1994 and 1996, ending with a
final script that Disney approved. It was to have been drawn for Gladstone
first by Craig Deeley, then by Pat Block. Unfortunately, budget cuts at
Gladstone meant that production on "Morgan's Island" had to be stopped.
Several other stories were also shelved at the same time. One of
them, Pat Block's "Ducks of the Deep," ended up going back into production
for the new Gemstone comics (it appeared in WDC&S 653 last year). So in
theory, "Morgan's Island" could also be revived now.
The thing is, though, that with ten more years of professional
experience under my belt, I've had a second look at "Morgan's Island," and
at this point feel that I'd like to make some significant revisions in it
before it's ever drawn. It's very much a product of my early days as a
writer.

David
Stefan Persson
Nuno Silva (aka NJSG) wrote:
> Now, I want to index them using some sort of database system. And I want
> to do it using an INDUCKS-compatible system, in order to be able to
> contribute to INDUCKS.
>
> Can you suggest a linux-compatible program to help me accomplishing this
> task?

The usual way to index things in Inducks is to use a normal text editor,
and there are text editors for all operative systems I know of. I
myself usually use Vim for indexing. One indexer made an indexing
script for use with KWrite, and I think Per Starb?ck had an Emacs script
at some point.

The format of the index is explained at
http://bolderbast.inducks.org/xf0short.html .

Some indexers use various database systems, but I don't know if any of
those indexers uses Linux.

In order to submit your indices to Inducks, you need a CVS client that
supports SSH connections. The combination OpenSSH + command-line CVS
(both usually included with all Linux distributions) works fine for me.
You also need a password & user name on our server, which is usually
only given to active indexers. Others may mail their indices to an
indexer who will then submit the changes to the server.

Stefan
Goofy313g
Sorry my last mail was destinated to Armando Botto, actually, but if other
Italian fellows are interrested, just let me know :-)

Sorry about that, that's a lot of uninterresting and unuseful mesages from
me, this year...

Gilles
Gunnarsson, Joakim SE - HMJ
Hi, all!

Just bought the original art to the Disney pages of a King Features
christmas songbook from 1949. And I just put it up on Comic Art Fans
website.
Just follow the link below if you want to have a look.

http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=128331&GSub=19245

Anyone on this list who has the songbook and can provide me of a scan of
what it looked like in print?

Please take a look at the rest of the stuff in my gallery while at CAF.
Got some more Disney stuff uploaded and much, much more to come.

/Joakim Gunnarsson.
Bror Hellman
Well, I though Donald's middle name was common knowledge?
It appears in "Donald Gets Drafted" in 1942 and I knew the middle
name at least ten years before I even saw the cartoon.

// Steamboat Willie
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Amne: Fauntleroy and Scotty

I just wondered what people here thought about this, several
>references in the article (the use of the name fauntleroy as well as
>the name "scotty" for scrooge's father made me wonder if this guy
>didn't use my work without telling me,
>Gilles

I do not know this fellow but he does reference a 1950 comic for his use
of "Scotty"
and I know I have seen the use of Fauntleroy on Donald's draft notice in a
reference book I own on Donald.
These 2 references alone are available to everyone.
I would ask him where he got his material.
His truth in answering you, may prove beneficial in further steps.

SMcDuck
Goofy313g
I remember a story from the late 80s/90s in which Donald has a duck taller
than him visiting him and presenting himself as his brother ( he says his egg
fell from the nest )...
I know it's in a picsou magasine from my collection (I gess between the
numbers 270 and 315), so i don't need a scan or informations on the story, but i
have to find the story itself, does anybody remember it???
I might have told about this story when we were discussing about the ducks
hatching from eggs or giving birth like mammals, but i've searched throught the
whole dcml archives and found nothing!!
I need him for my "fake relatives" section so that my website includes any
reference ever made to the duck family...

Gilles
Goofy313g
I'd like to focus on Daisy's family...

We already know that her unnamed parents appear in the short "Donald Ducks's
Diary"
(funny thing I discovered : Upsy Duck from , is the great uncle of the
nephews in the danish version of the story at least, so if we admit the nephews are
daisy's brother's sons, then Upsy turns out to be Daisy's uncle on her
father's side, so he's just next to her father in my tree, and it's amazing to see
how those two brothers that weren't meant to be at all look like eachother
(semi-closed eyes,...)

More seriously, let's talk about Barks facts...
In DDFC 1055, Barks Daisy Diary story "Donald's Party", Daisy gets a box by
the mailman with a dress and scissors in it. In the French translation of PM
380, the mailman says on panel 2 : "It's from YOUR grandma" while in a quite
older publication in Le Journal de Mickey 1583, from 1982, he says it's from
Grandma Duck... Does the original version mention Grandma Duck or Daisy's
Grandma???

Searching for other references to Daisy's family I found in an old Journal de
Mickey (n?796, from 1967, a story entitled "Les robes de Grand-M?re"
(Grandma's dresses), which is actually W?WDC?283-04, a Daisy Duck's Diary by Strobl
(somebody should add this to INDUCKS), in which Daisy and her nieces clean the
attic and find old fashioned dresses (Daisy tells to AMJ: "do these old dresses
still exist? they were Grandma's dresses when she was your age". So we can
wonder again if the Grandma is actually Grandma Duck or Daisy's Grandma... But
once again it's the French version so the original one should be checked...

Another possible appearance of Daisy's grandma could be the unidentified
female duck character that seems to live at Daisy's for a short period (Daisy's
mother? Daisy's grandma? Daisy's maid? Grandma Duck? Daisy disguised as somebody
else?) in Barks' W?WDC?111-02 (I know it has been discussed a lot here, but
has the question been asked to Barks himself some day?)

Then Daisy's grandpa is referred to in the Danish version of W?DD??114-02
by Strobl
(is he too in the original text?), as reported in Asger Pedersen's ANDE-ANER
Alfabetisk

Her forefather appears in Strobl's S 76127 and is said to be a policeman in
Inducks but it still has to be checked (does he have a name?)

Eventually, Daisys great-great-grandfather, called Pamfilius And in Danish
(which means something like 'Happy-go-lucky') is from Strobl's W?CPGK??1-07
"A Tree for Free", in which he owned with Scrooge's father the trading compagny
'Handelskompagniet AND &
VON AND'. (Duck&McDuck). The actual relation with Daisy in the original
version, and his name are still to check, but if it's true then i'll have to change
my tree (as I had Daisy being Donald's Grandpa's brother's granddaughter : I
have to make her more distant from Donald, if I don't want Pamfilius to be
Donald's gggpa too... (informations about this character provided by Asger
Pedersen)

Gilles
Goofy313g
Hi I've heard several times of the possibility for Donald's car being modeled
after the 1938 Amerivan Bantam car...
What it the exact source for this affirmation???

Gilles
Mje
Hi,

> Now, I want to index them using some sort of database system. And I want
> to do it using an INDUCKS-compatible system, in order to be able to
> contribute to INDUCKS.
>
> Can you suggest a linux-compatible program to help me accomplishing this
> task?

Just entering the indices using your favorite text editor would do. There
is a thoroughly guide to indexing located at http://bolderbast.inducks.org
that describes the format and the database fields.

You can contribute your indices by sending them to eg. Harry Fluks
(maintainer of bolderbast.inducks.org)

Good luck with your indexing :-)

Mads
Nuno Silva (aka NJSG)
A 12-01-2006 18:57, Stefan Persson escreveu:
> Nuno Silva (aka NJSG) wrote:
>
>> Now, I want to index them using some sort of database system. And I want
>> to do it using an INDUCKS-compatible system, in order to be able to
>> contribute to INDUCKS.
>>
>> Can you suggest a linux-compatible program to help me accomplishing this
>> task?
>
>
> The usual way to index things in Inducks is to use a normal text editor,
> and there are text editors for all operative systems I know of. I
> myself usually use Vim for indexing. One indexer made an indexing
> script for use with KWrite, and I think Per Starb?ck had an Emacs script
> at some point.

Do you know where can I get these scripts?

>
> The format of the index is explained at
> http://bolderbast.inducks.org/xf0short.html .

I've read it and I will read the linked pages (``fields explanation
page'' and ``a more elaborate explanation page'') when I can.

In this page (``The art of indexing''), the example shows a code for the
cover page. But there is no cover-code in portuguese magazines - they
tell only the name of the artist who drawn it. So, what do I do?

>
> Some indexers use various database systems, but I don't know if any of
> those indexers uses Linux.
>
> In order to submit your indices to Inducks, you need a CVS client that
> supports SSH connections. The combination OpenSSH + command-line CVS
> (both usually included with all Linux distributions) works fine for me.
> You also need a password & user name on our server, which is usually
> only given to active indexers. Others may mail their indices to an
> indexer who will then submit the changes to the server.
>
> Stefan
>

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