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Happy new year. Yesterday my cousin asked the following question. Who are the parents of Hewy Lewy
Dewy (Donald's nephews)??? and who are the parents of April,June,May (Dasy's nieces)? What are
their names? I have read some older postings about triplets but the names of their parents were
not mentioned.
Nikos

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Several days ago the Wall Street Journal ran an article about the
Virgin Company (airlines, records) entering the comic book business
with a series of comic books based on Indian Mythology with female
"superheroes". One issue already hit 20,000 in sales. You can read
about it here:
http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2006-09/2006-09-27-voa24.cfm
What I thought was fascinating was the entry of this company into the
incredibly overcrowded superhero comic field. Given the sexual
undertones - and overtones - in these comics it is possibly unfair to
compare their success with the problems in marketing Duck
adventures. On the other hand, how many kids outside of India would
seemingly be interested in such stories? You can say that as a
mythology the stories from India fit certain Jungian archetypes, etc.
and therefore are easily grasped. But would that same argument not
apply to the humor in the Uncle Scrooge/Donald Duck stories as well?

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Happy New Year everyone!

All the very nicest & best to you all,
and a prosperous year to Gemstone !

Olivier
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> In COA the http://coa.inducks.org/issue.php/x/us/IFG+++1 there are only
> 14 pages of the 16 indexed. There was a copy sold on ebay some time ago
> that also only had 14 pages. My guess is that there was maybe a coupon
> for free ice cream or discount on ice cream on the back and hence the
> missing pages.
> Does anyone know what the two missing pages contains ?
>
> Ola in dark Stockholm above zero and still no winter

I know I saw a copy at Geppi's Pop Culture Museum in Baltimore.
Maybe someone from Gemstone can check it out.
John? David?

Barry

>>>> In the last panel of page 3 of Don Rosa's AR130 "Return to plain
>>>> awful", we
>>>> can recognize wainting for Scrooge at the airport : Longhorn Tallgrass,
>>>> Chisel McSue, a Brutopian, Azure Blue and ... also a rajah.

That's the Maharajah of Howduyustan, from Barks' "Statuesque Spendthrifts"
(WDC&S 138, March 1952).

Olivier

A few months back some very polite replies were given to me by David and Gary as
to the "reasons" they cannot translate Paperinika into such a name as "Duck
Huntress," despite it's clever connotation, due to the apparent allusion to
Batman's protege' "The Huntress", even though, in many ways, Paperinik &
Paperinika (especially as they were originally presented, prior to PKNA) are very
much in the venue of Batman and Batgirl/Batwoman) and even the Huntress.

I appreciate the pleasant manner in which I was told the reasoning previously
(concerning using elements that allude to another publisher's creations and story
content), but, in review, I think that reasoning really rings hollow. I'm
persuaded the real reason has more to do with fan credit or whatever the legal
ramifications they are called. Not that I care about credit, but I've seen so
much commentary from comicbook creators and editors in the past (for Marvel & DC
comics), mentioning how they "legally" cannot use ideas from fans for various and
sundry reasons having to do with royalties and credit, etc.

The reason I say the original replies ring hollow is due to the OBVIOUS allusions
to other works of art and literature that are CONSTANTLY and even BLATANTLY used
in comics, INCLUDING Disney comics. And to be even MORE specific to the topic of
Super-Heroes, the past example of SPIDER-MOUSE was no mere allusion, but a obvious
recap of Spider-Man (Peter Parker)'s career (being bitten by a spider, given
spider-like enhanced abilities, becoming a hero, and even mutating into a spider-
like creature) in Parody form. And, more recently, there's been two stories
featuring BLOTMAN, using and obvious logo that emmulates BATMAN's title and
then "Blotman Returns" which is an obvious allusion to the recent film "Batman
Returns", not to leave out the use of the reverse universe where Blotman is the
opposite of the Phantom Blot (such as DC comics Batman of Earth-1 [Good-guy
version] vs. Owlman of Earth-2 [Bad-guy version], which is also conceptualized
elsewhere, like in Star Trek's "Mirror Universe", etc.). Sure they
say, "Plagerism is the most sincere form of flattery," but plagerism is NOT what I
was suggesting... at least not in the truest sense of the word. Using ideas from
OTHER sources, even from within the same industry, is a very common
process/practice, and Disney comics, IMHO, HAVEN'T crossed the line into obvious
plagerism, ....just parody. As another famous saying goes, "There's really
nothing new under the Sun," just better or more clever ways of presenting it.

I guess what I'm saying is, I don't really buy the claim that the reasons given
are true... unless, of course, David and Gary thought, for some reason, I was
insinuating that Paperinika should copy The Huntress in nearly every detail
except, possibly, species, which is weird, since none of the Disney allusionary
stories, even Spider-Mouse, were out-and-out rip-offs of previous works. They
were only "allusions" or "suggestions" of other bodies of work brought into a
Disney-esque format turned "parody." Why would Daisy need to be Donald's daughter
or protege just because she used a name like "Duck Huntress"??? The only inference
I was suggesting was that, SIMPLY put, just as Batman has a feminine version
called Batgirl and Huntress, or Superman has Supergirl or Power Girl, or Spider-
Man has Spidergirl/Spider-Woman, "Duck Huntress" seemed like a funny (and
ironic) "take" or "play" (parody) on the whole concept. Just as the DUCKBURG
SUPERHEROES CLUB is a parody of the JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA or "00-Duck" is a
parody of "007" and so forth. Shoot... "Darkwing Duck, the Terror that Flaps in
the Night" (LOL!) was one of my favorite parodies of "Batman, the Dark Knight."

If the REAL reason Gemstone or any creative personnel translating Paperinika
doesn't want to use the moniker "DUCK HUNTRESS" is that they DON'T want to be
bogged by presumed LEGAL resons involving "fan credit" then THAT's a different
issue, and not the one claimed previously. I don't care about any credit for the
name, or if Gemstone has a BETTER name, ...then GREAT... Please use the BETTER
name!

Of course, if it can be understood, concerning the dropping of several Disney
titles recently, that this would include far less Disney stories being translated
from foreign material for publication in the USA (and no less or maybe even more
re-re-reprints of American Disney stories), then the likelihood of seeing
Paperinika (Super Daisy), the Red Bat (Super Fethry), the Green Bat (Super
Carioca), or the Purple Butterfly or any of the other Disney costumed heroes used
outside the USA and not-yet-published here. I doubt Paperinika's origin, etc. is
high on the priority list of translations to come.

Thanks,

Rich
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On 2007-01-09 14:27, Rich wrote:
> A few months back some very polite replies were given to me by David and Gary as
> to the "reasons" they cannot translate Paperinika into such a name as "Duck
> Huntress," despite it's clever connotation, due to the apparent allusion to
> Batman's protege' "The Huntress",

But, since Paperinik is "Duck Avenger", wouldn't "Duck Avengeress" be a better
English name for Paperinika?

Stefan

"Michael Schartau" (Email removed) said:
> Ther are not many words that have female "endings"in English.
> The ones that comes to my mind is lion/lioness, priest/priestess
> and of course socerer/sorceress.
> Accordingly Duck Avengeress or Duck Avengess would be fine.
> Technicaly the languages get new words all the time.

I don't disagree that you can tack on "-ess" to any noun and make is feminine,
and yes the American English language is evolving all the time. However, the
word "Avengeress" *might* be fine from a purely technical standpoint, but it
fails on several other levels... the two most basic being: 1) It's a made-up word
that that doesn't need to be created when so many words are already available, 2)
It doesn't have the essential "feel" of a good word for the application it is
being specific to, namely Daisy's superhero monicker. "Duck Avengeress" just
doesn't roll off the tongue or settle in the mind comfortably. Plus its not very
clever. As I recall David's earlier comments, and I'm totally inclined to agree
with that train of thought, Daisy is VERY INDEPENDENT as a superhero(ine) and
just tacking on the feminine for of "-ess" to Donald's monicker would probably be
very contrary to her character. Yes, she is in the same vein as Duck Avenger,
but she's not just a female variant of him... she would want something that set
her apart, but something that, at the same time, would harken back to Duck
Avenger. The comparison between "Batman" and "The Huntress" still works here
because there is a certain harkening back to Batman in The Huntress, but the
character, herself, is very independent, but both David and Gary gave extensive
reasons (even if I don't totally agree with them based on the specifics they
chose to focus on, nor in light of other publications in American Disney comics
of late) why they wouldn't want to use "Duck Huntress." So, IMHO, "Duck
Avengeress" isn't fine because it doesn't work except to in the most simple,
basic, lazy and automatic way which is to take the easiest, least creative way,
of making "Duck Avenger" feminine. There's no "life" in that aspect and Daisy
comes off as simply a Duck Avenger wannabe. As much as I'd love to see Daisy in
her superhero form appear in the USA, I think the name Duck Avengeress is not a
good choice.

Thanks,

Rich
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