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Mightn't Disney complain that portraying Mickey Mouse as a fire-breathing (Evil) meany is defamitory to his character? They could claim that such use of him would damage his image.

Quote from user: timoroIt's commonly accepted and generally admissible to have sort of cameo appearances of different characters on TV-shows, movies, comics etc, even though you haven't created them by yourself. Especially if there is no intend to do it defamatory manner. If you have read Sam's Strip, a classic comic strip by Mort Walker and Jerry Dumas, you know what I mean. It was built on the premiss that all kinds of comics charaters appears on that strip. http://www.toonopedia.com/samstrip.htm
To make WHOLE comic or movie or such basing on other characters than your own, it's different matter. Air Pirates for examaple.

Timo
Especially when the characters are depicted in such a manner. But I remember Sam's Strip, and that didn't hurt anything at all. In fact, it was pretty cool. :)

Quote from user: MorequackNo surprises here. South Park is a profane, politically far-left wing machine that loves to "search and destroy" anything that is of a popular conservative nature. A much-loved entity, with a lofty pedigree of American wholesomeness and innocence like Walt Disney or Mickey Mouse thus presents an irresistible target for this tasteless, skanky organization.
There's an article about the show's creators Matt Stone and Trey Parker at http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/_rp-hate_conservatives.htm :

Quote from user: Manhattan InstituteAs the show's co-creator Matt Stone sums it up, "I hate conservatives, but I really (expletive) hate liberals." Stone acknowledges that he and his fellow 30-something Coloradoan colleague Trey Parker are "more right-wing than most people in Hollywood" -- though, he cautions, that's the case partly because Hollywood types are so out there on the Left.
The article contains lots of examples of the show mocking "the Olympian arrogance of liberal elites", as the article puts it.

And there's an interview with Stone and Parker at http://www.reason.com/news/show/116787.html , where they both describe themselves as libertarians.

So no, I wouldn't describe them as "politically far-left wing", to quote your post.

Ahh, in that case perhaps, it would appear that South Park is a profane, bully machine that loves to "search and destroy" just about *anything* that they don't align with?in this case, the much-loved entity, with a lofty pedigree of wholesomeness and innocence like Walt Disney or Mickey Mouse presents an irresistible target for this tasteless, skanky organization. With that much hate to go around and as long as folks tune-in to it they'll have a long career ahead of them.

Quote from user: MorequackAhh, in that case perhaps, it would appear that South Park is a profane, bully machine that loves to "search and destroy" just about *anything* that they don't align with?in this case, the much-loved entity, with a lofty pedigree of wholesomeness and innocence like Walt Disney or Mickey Mouse presents an irresistible target for this tasteless, skanky organization. With that much hate to go around and as long as folks tune-in to it they'll have a long career ahead of them.
Ironically, the episode in question went to lengths to prove that Disney is being just as tasteless and skanky with how they market sex to children under a guise of purity and innocence.

The episode revolves around the Jonas Bros. and their "purity rings" and how everything about them is about virginity and innocence. Well guess what, when you harp about these things non-stop, you're still shoving sexuality into the faces of your audience. An audience of children. It doesn't matter if you're talking about doing it or not doing it, they're still marketing around sex. Period. The more they talk about not having sex, the more the audience thinks about sex, and the more the audience pays for "pure" Jonas Bros garbage.

I'm sure we can all remember a time when Disney's products and stars didn't have to harp about sex all the time in order to be entertaining.

And if you ask me, I find this FAR more disgusting coming from a "lofty pedigree of wholesomeness and innocence", rather than a program made by adults and ONLY FOR adults and marketed only towards adults.

But hey, I guess it's just easier to keep the blinders on and everything compartmentalized into "Disney = good no matter what" and "South Park has poop jokes so therefore = evil", and keep everything nicely pre-judged lest the foundations of our perfect little reality come crashing down.

Quote:With that much hate to go around and as long as folks tune-in to it they'll have a long career ahead of them.
And as long as we, as a people, perpetuate the endless idiocy, hate, foolishness, ignorance and apathy that has come to define western society, we remain bent over and deserving of every scathing ounce of satire that comes our way.

Anyway, I don't mean any of this as a personal attack on anyone here at all. I just think the other side of the story was being a little too conveniently glossed over in favor of a company that stands more for profit than it does for values. Disney is just another corporation like any other, and they've found a way to sell sex to kids while pulling the wool over the eyes of the parents. Kudos to Stone and Parker for standing up and making a statement about it.

Quote from user: Morequackfrankly, this to me is a no-brainer.
And I would certainly hope so. South Park is NOT for kids. Thought I made that clear enough. Blaming adult entertainment for being adult entertainment is a bit silly anyhow. How you got the idea that South Park should be shown to children is beyond me.

Jonas Bros. is definitely marketed for a younger crowd-- just make no mistake that its still part of the same Sex-Sells machine as any other kind of pop music, and don't let the cute rodent behind it fool you otherwise.

At least South Park is up front about it when its being crass and cynical. Most parents these days treat the Disney logo like its some stamp that relieves them of thinking about what Disney is on the market for, and you can be damned sure wholesomeness and innocence is about profit to them, not values.

Jonas Bros is giving them the best of both worlds, and as usual, most parents don't give it a second thought just because it says "Disney" on it-- much like how South Park is assumed to be unintelligent low-brow humor, when often it delivers brilliant satire and parody unparalleled on TV. Not everything is as it seems.

Quote from user: ArgonautLots of awesome and incredibly accurate words.
Thank you, sir.

Quote from user: WBQuote from user: ArgonautLots of awesome and incredibly accurate words.
Thank you, sir.
You're welcome WB. :)

Quote from user: Lady QuacklyI just long for the original, REAL Disney all the more.
Me too LQ, me too...