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Topic: Who's Your Favorite?
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Bence
Who's Your Favorite?
Message 16 -
2007-11-04 at 21:28:34
Thanks! ;) I see you also love the works of Don Rosa and Willaim Van Horn and Noel Van Horn is 4th on your list. I think Noel's style is great just as his fathers (in my book he is clearly the best Mickey-artist since Murry) but it's a shame that he don't write most of his comics himself. (Instead of that he often gets bad scripts...)
Robb_K
Who's Your Favorite?
Message 17 -
2007-11-05 at 20:25:16
Quote from user: BenceThanks! ;) I see you also love the works of Don Rosa and Willaim Van Horn and Noel Van Horn is 4th on your list. I think Noel's style is great just as his fathers (in my book he is clearly the best Mickey-artist since Murry) but it's a shame that he don't write most of his comics himself. (Instead of that he often gets bad scripts...)
That's interesting! In The Netherlands we get few stories from him printed. In the USA Gemstone comics, most of Noel Van Horn's stories printed that he has drawn are those that he has written, as well.
That's interesting! In The Netherlands we get few stories from him printed. In the USA Gemstone comics, most of Noel Van Horn's stories printed that he has drawn are those that he has written, as well.
Robb_K
Who's Your Favorite?
Message 18 -
2007-11-06 at 02:35:57
Quote from user: Roger NorthWow That is something Rob. I guess Bence was wrong about Noel Van Horn not writing his own stories.
No. Bence is probably correct. Hungary is supplied with stories from Egmont, and may be getting mostly (or a high %) of Noel's stories that he DIDN'T write. While Gemstone, in USA, prints a lot less stories, so they hand pick what they consider the best stories. Being an American firm, they try to feature North American artists and writers. As Noel is a Canadian, they'd probably rather feature him more than European writers (all other factors being equal), therefore, they pick stories he both draws and writes. In addition, according to Bence, Noel's stories that he writes himself are better than those he doesn't, so it's natural that they would choose mostly those he writes himself.
My own experience with Van Horn stories is distorted, as I only collect Dutch and USA comics, and, therefore, don't see a lot of Noel Van Horn's more poorly written stories, as they don't get published in The Netherlands (only his better, self-written stories), and the Gemstone-published ones (again, the hand-picked best self-written ones). I used to have subscriptions to the Danish weekly and monthly (Extra) comic books, when I lived part-year in Denmark, while working for Egmont (1989-1995)-but that was mostly before Noel was drawing stories for them.
Speaking of that- I have hundreds of Danish weeklies from 1990-1997 or so, that I must get rid of, as I no longer have a place to store them. I will be giving up my US flat within a year or so. I don't want to carry them (or ship them) back to Europe with me or separately. If anyone in North America wants to trade for some of them, or needs specific issues, please let me know. If any Dutch collectors need any of those Danish issues, please let me know. There are still some 1960s-1970s Dutch special books I need (traditional sized Mickey Maandblad, DD & Andere Verhalen, etc.) -as well as a few recent (post 2005) issues of DD Weekblad & DD Extra en Winterboek) I want to pick up.
For North Americans, I still need a few late Whitmans and may want to trade for a few Disney comics from East Europe or The 3rd World countries, if you have any. That trade offer goes to fans located in those places. I am especially looking for my own, or Jan Gulbransson's or Freddy Milton's or Daan Jippes' stories printed in countries other than The Netherlands, USA, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Germany, Finland, and Italy (I have almost all of my own printings in those countries).
Rob Klein
No. Bence is probably correct. Hungary is supplied with stories from Egmont, and may be getting mostly (or a high %) of Noel's stories that he DIDN'T write. While Gemstone, in USA, prints a lot less stories, so they hand pick what they consider the best stories. Being an American firm, they try to feature North American artists and writers. As Noel is a Canadian, they'd probably rather feature him more than European writers (all other factors being equal), therefore, they pick stories he both draws and writes. In addition, according to Bence, Noel's stories that he writes himself are better than those he doesn't, so it's natural that they would choose mostly those he writes himself.
My own experience with Van Horn stories is distorted, as I only collect Dutch and USA comics, and, therefore, don't see a lot of Noel Van Horn's more poorly written stories, as they don't get published in The Netherlands (only his better, self-written stories), and the Gemstone-published ones (again, the hand-picked best self-written ones). I used to have subscriptions to the Danish weekly and monthly (Extra) comic books, when I lived part-year in Denmark, while working for Egmont (1989-1995)-but that was mostly before Noel was drawing stories for them.
Speaking of that- I have hundreds of Danish weeklies from 1990-1997 or so, that I must get rid of, as I no longer have a place to store them. I will be giving up my US flat within a year or so. I don't want to carry them (or ship them) back to Europe with me or separately. If anyone in North America wants to trade for some of them, or needs specific issues, please let me know. If any Dutch collectors need any of those Danish issues, please let me know. There are still some 1960s-1970s Dutch special books I need (traditional sized Mickey Maandblad, DD & Andere Verhalen, etc.) -as well as a few recent (post 2005) issues of DD Weekblad & DD Extra en Winterboek) I want to pick up.
For North Americans, I still need a few late Whitmans and may want to trade for a few Disney comics from East Europe or The 3rd World countries, if you have any. That trade offer goes to fans located in those places. I am especially looking for my own, or Jan Gulbransson's or Freddy Milton's or Daan Jippes' stories printed in countries other than The Netherlands, USA, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Germany, Finland, and Italy (I have almost all of my own printings in those countries).
Rob Klein
Ramapith
Who's Your Favorite?
Message 19 -
2007-11-07 at 02:35:54
Quote from user: Robb_KBeing an American firm, [Gemstone tries] to feature North American artists and writers. As Noel is a Canadian, they'd probably rather feature him more than European writers [...] In addition, according to Bence, Noel's stories that he writes himself are better than those he doesn't, so it's natural that they would choose mostly those he writes himself.
Actually, we choose a mixture??because we don't necessarily agree with Bence (apologies, Bence!). Some of the writers of Noel-drawn, non-Noel-written stories are among our readers' favorites, including Stefan Petrucha most obviously.
So while we do try to represent Noel with a fair number of his own scripts, we're not shy of running material he's drawn for others. Of course, we still hand-pick our own favorites, in either case.
We do try to feature North American creators, by the way??but I'd never say we give them unquestioned preference. Romano Scarpa and Daan Jippes, for example, are among our most popular creators, and they weren't Yanks last time I checked... but they get a lot of space in our titles!
Actually, we choose a mixture??because we don't necessarily agree with Bence (apologies, Bence!). Some of the writers of Noel-drawn, non-Noel-written stories are among our readers' favorites, including Stefan Petrucha most obviously.
So while we do try to represent Noel with a fair number of his own scripts, we're not shy of running material he's drawn for others. Of course, we still hand-pick our own favorites, in either case.
We do try to feature North American creators, by the way??but I'd never say we give them unquestioned preference. Romano Scarpa and Daan Jippes, for example, are among our most popular creators, and they weren't Yanks last time I checked... but they get a lot of space in our titles!
Robb_K
Who's Your Favorite?
Message 20 -
2007-11-07 at 09:49:04
Quote from user: ramapithQuote from user: Robb_KBeing an American firm, [Gemstone tries] to feature North American artists and writers. As Noel is a Canadian, they'd probably rather feature him more than European writers [...] In addition, according to Bence, Noel's stories that he writes himself are better than those he doesn't, so it's natural that they would choose mostly those he writes himself.
Actually, we choose a mixture??because we don't necessarily agree with Bence (apologies, Bence!). Some of the writers of Noel-drawn, non-Noel-written stories are among our readers' favorites, including Stefan Petrucha most obviously.
So while we do try to represent Noel with a fair number of his own scripts, we're not shy of running material he's drawn for others. Of course, we still hand-pick our own favorites, in either case.
We do try to feature North American creators, by the way??but I'd never say we give them unquestioned preference. Romano Scarpa and Daan Jippes, for example, are among our most popular creators, and they weren't Yanks last time I checked... but they get a lot of space in our titles!
I didn't mean to imply that Gemstone books are filled with mostly (or even 1/2) stories or story pages drawn or written by North Americans. I just meant that North Americans' production is featured, in that a significantly higher percentage of Gemstone pages are devoted to their production than North Americans' percentage of current Worldwide Disney Comics story production. Such a policy is also true for most of the National Disney publishers.
Actually, we choose a mixture??because we don't necessarily agree with Bence (apologies, Bence!). Some of the writers of Noel-drawn, non-Noel-written stories are among our readers' favorites, including Stefan Petrucha most obviously.
So while we do try to represent Noel with a fair number of his own scripts, we're not shy of running material he's drawn for others. Of course, we still hand-pick our own favorites, in either case.
We do try to feature North American creators, by the way??but I'd never say we give them unquestioned preference. Romano Scarpa and Daan Jippes, for example, are among our most popular creators, and they weren't Yanks last time I checked... but they get a lot of space in our titles!
I didn't mean to imply that Gemstone books are filled with mostly (or even 1/2) stories or story pages drawn or written by North Americans. I just meant that North Americans' production is featured, in that a significantly higher percentage of Gemstone pages are devoted to their production than North Americans' percentage of current Worldwide Disney Comics story production. Such a policy is also true for most of the National Disney publishers.
Lars Jensen
Who's Your Favorite?
Message 21 -
2007-11-08 at 19:26:53
Quote from user: Roger Northramapith I'm guessing you're Austrailian. We Americans don't like being referred to as Yanks. However you are right about Romano Scarpa and Daan Jippes being some of the most popular creators.
Ramapith (David) is a patriotic red-blooded all-American boy.
Ramapith (David) is a patriotic red-blooded all-American boy.
Dean Rekich
Who's Your Favorite?
Message 22 -
2007-12-24 at 00:14:13
While I like many different artists and writers, I must admit I was suprised to read only one person so far mention Vicar. I think he is a fantastic artist an always look forward to stories he has drawn. Have we gotten a lot of his stories published by Gladstone/Disney/Gemstone? Yes. But there are *tons* more of his stories that could be printed! Whether you like him or not, you must admit he is quite prolific!
Do others like Vicar a lot, or am I alone in my high regard for him?
Do others like Vicar a lot, or am I alone in my high regard for him?
WB
Who's Your Favorite?
Message 23 -
2007-12-24 at 04:07:51
I think that may be because - for the longest time - Vicar was associated with terrible stories in the States.
Back in the 90's, I know plenty of fans that would associate Vicar with "terrible generic European stories" and Branca with "good generic European stories". It kind of falls under that whole Late Barks/Late Strobl good duck artist VS bad duck artist thing. The general consensus seemed to be "If Vicar's name was on it, it stunk" which was a shame because it wasn't Vicar, it was the fact that Disney chose **really terrible** stories that not only under-represented his drawing talents but gave most American fans that impression that the European stuff leaves a bad taste in everybody's mouth.
It wasn't until Gladstone II printed "Tour Du Jour" in Donald Duck Adventures that a lot of people could really see what Vicar could do. It was a good, funny, story that really showcased Vicar's talent and from then on - more or less - we've gotten good Vicar stories with good scripts as well.
Story selection has a lot to do with it and it wasn't until that came into play that I really came to appreciate Vicar. He has a masterful sense of staging and comedy. It's just his origins on this side of the water that makes him woefully underlooked.
Back in the 90's, I know plenty of fans that would associate Vicar with "terrible generic European stories" and Branca with "good generic European stories". It kind of falls under that whole Late Barks/Late Strobl good duck artist VS bad duck artist thing. The general consensus seemed to be "If Vicar's name was on it, it stunk" which was a shame because it wasn't Vicar, it was the fact that Disney chose **really terrible** stories that not only under-represented his drawing talents but gave most American fans that impression that the European stuff leaves a bad taste in everybody's mouth.
It wasn't until Gladstone II printed "Tour Du Jour" in Donald Duck Adventures that a lot of people could really see what Vicar could do. It was a good, funny, story that really showcased Vicar's talent and from then on - more or less - we've gotten good Vicar stories with good scripts as well.
Story selection has a lot to do with it and it wasn't until that came into play that I really came to appreciate Vicar. He has a masterful sense of staging and comedy. It's just his origins on this side of the water that makes him woefully underlooked.
Ramapith
Who's Your Favorite?
Message 24 -
2007-12-24 at 04:39:37
I better intercede, Roger, and mention that Vicar has only written a handful of stories himself. Most of the time, he "only" draws stories written by others (but that's hardly an "only," as drawing is half the battle, and Vicar at his best does a masterful job!).
WB
Who's Your Favorite?
Message 25 -
2007-12-24 at 04:44:02
Wait...WHAT?
Please reread what I wrote Roger. Not all Vicar's stories are terrible. In fact after Gladstone II I became a fan of Vicar. I said a lot of people got a bad impression of Vicar based off of the stories that Disney chose to print during its run which didn't have bad art, but had a lot of very lackluster and/or "bleah" older stories with Vicar art.
Please reread what I wrote Roger. Not all Vicar's stories are terrible. In fact after Gladstone II I became a fan of Vicar. I said a lot of people got a bad impression of Vicar based off of the stories that Disney chose to print during its run which didn't have bad art, but had a lot of very lackluster and/or "bleah" older stories with Vicar art.
Amber
Who's Your Favorite?
Message 26 -
2008-01-04 at 16:18:05
Hi everyone my name is Amber my favorite characters are Hanna Montana and Corbin Blu I wish to see Hannas concert sometime but we can't afford it. sucks
Harukuro
Who's Your Favorite?
Message 27 -
2008-01-04 at 21:57:14
Quote from user: AmberHi everyone my name is Amber my favorite characters are Hanna Montana and Corbin Blu I wish to see Hannas concert sometime but we can't afford it. sucks
I don't mean to be rude Amber but this thread is about the authors and artists of Disney comics. If you what to make a thread about Hanna Montana you can go right a head. Welcome to the forum by the way. :)
I don't mean to be rude Amber but this thread is about the authors and artists of Disney comics. If you what to make a thread about Hanna Montana you can go right a head. Welcome to the forum by the way. :)
Lars Jensen
Who's Your Favorite?
Message 28 -
2008-01-05 at 00:23:05
(Off-topic)
Quote from user: AmberHi everyone my name is Amber my favorite characters are Hanna Montana and Corbin Blu I wish to see Hannas concert sometime but we can't afford it. sucks
Amber, you're not alone. Disney should release a Miley Cyrus/Hannah Montana concert on DVD.
Quote from user: AmberHi everyone my name is Amber my favorite characters are Hanna Montana and Corbin Blu I wish to see Hannas concert sometime but we can't afford it. sucks
Amber, you're not alone. Disney should release a Miley Cyrus/Hannah Montana concert on DVD.
176-167
Who's Your Favorite?
Message 29 -
2008-01-05 at 13:05:22
Don't forget Kari Korhonen. ;)
He is great writer and also good at drawing.
He is great writer and also good at drawing.
Robb_K
Who's Your Favorite?
Message 30 -
2008-01-05 at 19:44:20
Quote from user: Roger NorthWhat makes you think that Vicar's stories are terrible WB? I think some of them are okay for what they are. I'll admit that there are better artists like Don Rosa or William Van Horn but Vicar is just as capable of writing a good story like any other Disney artist.
"Better" is in the eye of the beholder. I like Vicar's artwork better than Van Horn's, and many, many, many, many, many, many, many times better than Rosa's. Vicar had a large staff of helpers in his studio. Some stories only had Vicar storyboards and the penciling and inking was done by others. Many other stories had Vicar doing the pencils, and his inkers inking. Some stories (especially early in his career), he performed all functions. The more steps completed by Vicar, the more I tend to like the artwork.
I prefer Barks', Branca's and Jippes' Ducks to Vicar's, but I'd place his 1970s and early '80s Ducks (done in Barks' 1953 style) up with the better Duck artists.
I'd be very surprised if Vicar, himself, wrote more than a few stories. I didn't know that he wrote ANY.
"Better" is in the eye of the beholder. I like Vicar's artwork better than Van Horn's, and many, many, many, many, many, many, many times better than Rosa's. Vicar had a large staff of helpers in his studio. Some stories only had Vicar storyboards and the penciling and inking was done by others. Many other stories had Vicar doing the pencils, and his inkers inking. Some stories (especially early in his career), he performed all functions. The more steps completed by Vicar, the more I tend to like the artwork.
I prefer Barks', Branca's and Jippes' Ducks to Vicar's, but I'd place his 1970s and early '80s Ducks (done in Barks' 1953 style) up with the better Duck artists.
I'd be very surprised if Vicar, himself, wrote more than a few stories. I didn't know that he wrote ANY.