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Topic: Flintheart Glomgold vs. John D. Rockerduck

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Mr. M
Yhe... I think it would made an interesting discussion ;)

I found this interesting how those characters don't appear to coexist and I never could fully understand why stories that had Glomgold ignor Rockerduck and vice versa (since there where many Rockerduck stories that declare him "The second riches duck" title).

By far there where only two stories when they appear at once :

- http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=D+2005-070 (when they just make a came, which you can see here - http://coa.inducks.org/character.php?c=FLG&view=2&range=200 )

and
- http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=I+TL++608-B Which I read some time ago and sadly the two don't get to interact for more then one or two panels which is a shame.

[I don't count Don Rosa "The life and times..." since they didn't appear in the same chapter]

Many people see them as basicaly the same idea (character) as they serve identical function of being Scrooges billionaires rival and in fact many translator confue the names of the two (Polish translator's did it way more then once)

I never really saw that and I like the fact how despite of the similarities they evolved in to their ow chatacters.

For one thing Rockerduck appears to be way more human then Glomgold is. I never seen a story where he actually try to kill or harm Scrooge (un like Flinty who those it all the time, especially in Rosa and DuckTales), he just tries to humiliate Mcduck at best and I even recall some stories where Rockerduck was pretty sympathetic to Donald (then agian Donalds aleter ego Phantom Duck appears to be Rockerduck's number one foe) He also dosen't appear to be a tightwad, is usually surrounded by fancy stuff and in fact is more about the public image then Scrooge (who in more stories just dosen't care - publicly picking newspapers from garbage and stuff) Plus he has his running joke about eating his hat and relationship with the buttler. Glomgold appear way more evil, ruthless character and as Baks point out pretty much a clone of Scroge and way much more greedy then Scrooge ever was. In like how Barks/Rosa stories Glomgold never have goosns and usualy is trying to fix Scrooge on his own. Rockerduck appears more spoild and likes to depend on hired help.

I still would like to see a proper story a meeting betwen them. It would be interesting if writers would found a way to take the diffrences in personalities betwen the two and create a interestic and uniqe dynamic...
Robb_K
Those of us who don't read the pocketbooks (mainly Italian stories, but also some Danish), don't really know Rockerduck. We only saw him in the one Barks story.Although I collect ALL the Dutch comics (other than the pocketbooks), I never really liked the look of most of the Italian stories, so, to not buy them (I also don't like the small format). I also never bought American pocket books (late Gold Key, Gladstone and Gemstone). We did get Italian stories in the normal comic book size in our "Stripgoed" series (the monthly magazine that featured longer stories (the precursor of "Donald Duck Extra").
I never liked the Italian artists' style for Donald Duck (other than Marco Rota's early style). But, I did like Romano Scarpa's mickey and some of the best of Da Vitaand Carpi's Mickey.

I will make a point to read many of the Italian Rockerduck stories in The Dutch pockets, and IF the new US franchisee prints any. I hope to write and storyboard a 4-tier story using the Barks-style Rockerduck (with feathers - rather than the Italian style- with wiry, stringy HAIR) teaming up with Glomgold, and Magica, perhaps using scores of Beagle Boys, trying to defeat Scrooge (and The Ducks), for the non-pocket market.
Lars Jensen
Mr. M, when you have links in your posts, please click the "Never show smilies as icons for this post" option. Otherwise, the links often come out un-clickable.

Quote from user: Mr. MI never could fully understand why stories that had Glomgold ignor Rockerduck and vice versa (since there where many Rockerduck stories that declare him "The second riches duck" title).

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Many people see them as basicaly the same idea (character) as they serve identical function of being Scrooges billionaires rival

Unfortunately, that's why Rockerduck is usually ignored by "Glomgold users" and vice versa. Personally, I'd like to use both in the weekly, but I doubt that's going to happen.

Quote from user: Mr. MFor one thing Rockerduck appears to be way more human then Glomgold is. I never seen a story where he actually try to kill or harm Scrooge (un like Flinty who those it all the time, especially in Rosa and DuckTales)
I only remember Flintheart being that violent towards Scrooge in the Rosa stories and one Barks story. (I mostly watched DuckTales 20 years ago, so I'm a little vague on what happened in them.) Which other comic book stories are you thinking of?

Quote from user: Mr. MDonalds aleter ego Phantom Duck
Do you mean Paperinik/Duck Avenger? "Phantom Duck" is a name invented years ago by Duck fans.

Quote from user: Mr. MGlomgold [is] way much more greedy then Scrooge ever was.
I'd say they're probably equally greedy. Glomgold just doesn't have the moral inhibitions that Scrooge (sometimes) has.
Mr. M
Ow, I strongly recommend many Italian pocket stories from Romano Scarpas, and Massimo De Vita, Rudy Salvagnini to Giorgio Cavazzano and Silvia Ziche. I understand that different format and drawing style maybe hard to use to but story wise there are hundreds of both truly clever, interesting and funny stories and they often are more complex and writers usually take as many time to develop the plot as they want.

To be fair Bark's Rockerduck is almost a symbolic character he used in that one story because he needed a rival for Scrooge(I wonder why he simply didn??t use Glomgold in that one) and the character doesn??t do much other then the ??fight-with-Scrooge-while-talking" running joke and Rosa just throw him in his story as a cute touch for the European readers (I sometimes wonder did the editor force him to have Rockerduck appear at some point, much like it happened with Fethry in the family three.

In a way all Barks did was creating his name and design but it was the various Italian creators (Gimapalo Barosso, Romano Scarpa or Grigio Pezzin) that develope his character, gave him different trades etc.
I actually wonder if the whole reason Rockerduck was picked as regular villain in the Italian stories is the fact Glomgold lives in Africa so (out-of-respect for Barks cannon) it would be tricky to figure a reason to have him in Duckburg whenever they need him for a story point so they simply used one of local billionaires instead.

What??s interesting ?? from what I saw in INDUCKS ?? is that over the years Rockerduck appear in way, way more stories then Glomgold did.
Mr. M
Quote from user: Lars JensenMr. M, when you have links in your posts, please click the "Never show smilies as icons for this post" option. Otherwise, the links often come out un-clickable.
Ok, sorry about that.

Quote:I only remember Flintheart being that violent towards Scrooge in the Rosa stories and one Barks story. (I mostly watched DuckTales 20 years ago, so I'm a little vague on what happened in them.) Which other comic book stories are you thinking of?
To be honest whenever I think of Glomgold I think of Barks, Rosa or the Duck Tales version. In Ducktales Glomgold was a truy evil and despicable character and usually had no problem of trying to kill Scrooge during wathever they where fighting for - monst notably episode "Ducky Mountain High" when Glomgold goes as low as tide-up Scrooge to a tree and put him in a "lumberjack three shriming machine" (I have no idea how you call it in English) or "The Uncrashable Hindentanic" when Glomgold tries to have Scrooge blimp crash (despite the fact it was full of people) Heck, Glomgold had no problems of murdering other characters including Gizmoduck at one point.

One non Barks-Rosa-DuckTales comic I can think of top-of my head is http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=D+2002-114 when Glomgold tried to have Scrooge died from thirst in the midle of a desert but then agian I don't remember this story that well so maybe I shall recheck it

Quote:Do you mean Paperinik/Duck Avenger? "Phantom Duck" is a name invented years ago by Duck fans.
Ow! Thansk! I was thinking it was official name they gave him in english.

Quote:I'd say they're probably equally greedy. Glomgold just doesn't have the moral inhibitions that Scrooge (sometimes) has.
Agreed
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
Quote from user: Mr. MWhat??s interesting ?? from what I saw in INDUCKS ?? is that over the years Rockerduck appear in way, way more stories then Glomgold did.
Well, that's because the Italians make much more stories.

The problem for most people on this forum (I think) is that they've read too few Rockerduck stories, which is a pity because they're really good. Also, I sometimes feel that the difference in character between Glomgold and Rockerduck is downplayed, which makes it harder to see who is who. In fact, one of the Dutch translations for Rockerduck used to be the same as Flintheart Glomgold! Incidentally, my favorite Duck name ever is also a translation of Rockerduck, which comes from German: Leopold Kwartjesvinder (Leopold Quarter-finder). Kwartjesvinder is just a funny word. :)

Glomgold was introduced as Scrooge's 'evil twin', and most gags were how incredibly similar he and Scrooge were. This worked for exactly two stories. In Barks' third story, he's just a generic villain. Barks used him only for recognition, or out of sentiment. So most other writers use Glomgold as just a generic villain. Which is okay, I think, because the 'evil twin' variant is a limited character. And Glomgold is recognisable, so why not. Sometimes his 'evil-twinness' comes back. Such as the time his lazy nephew, Slackjaw Snorehead was introduced. :)

Rockerduck is nothing like the character Barks invented. He looks and acts completely different from that first story. Rockerduck vs. Scrooge is like young vs. old, even though I can't see how much younger Rockerduck is supposed to be. Rockerduck stories are very much different in tone from Glomgold stories, however. They're Italian stories to begin with. Rockerduck lives in Duckburg, in a skyscraper with the initials RD on it. (This mirrors Scrooge, whose Money Bin bears the initials US in Italy.) But don't think this means "Glomgold in Duckburg". This isn't DuckTales. Rockerduck stories are often domestic-y, with both Scrooge and Rockerduck trying to get the same investment, ending with one of them eating his hat. This has gone so far that by now, Bowler Hat With Salt isn't only a regular meal of Rockerduck, but countless variations are as well. Scrooge does things his way, and Rockerduck usually the dishonest way. But they can switch the formula. Anyone can lose (but it's usually Donald). Rockerduck also has a butler, who appeared in that horrible mashup in Boom!'s DuckTales. Jeeves? Lusky? He mirrors Scrooge's butler, Battista. Battista is different story all together. Jeeves is less like a butler, and more like Rockerduck's spy/henchman. In the end, most stories are about both character's wanting the same thing, but trying to get it in their own way. Treasures, new inventions, fashion trends, they've all done it.

Here's a good Scarpa story with Rockerduck:
The Business Code

And Mr. M, have you read this great Christmas story?
Silent Night
Roger North
Flintheart saved Scrooge from dying of thirst in the middle of the dessert? It doesn't sound like him.
Mr. M
Sadly I didn't read that Christmas story (it didn't appear in Poland)

Quote from user: Roger NorthFlintheart saved Scrooge from dying of thirst in the middle of the dessert? It doesn't sound like him.
No, no, no. I made it sound wrong... I ment he MADE Scrooge almost die from thirst in the middle of a dessert. He cut Scrooge's and Donald's water bottles as they where sleeping.

Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down Underfact, one of the Dutch translations for Rockerduck used to be the same as Flintheart Glomgold
Polish translators did it a couple of times as well. Most strange example (as well anoying) was in "Last Lord Of Eldorado" when they Named Glomgold "Howard Kwakerfeller" which is the Polish name of Rockerducks father from L&T series.

To make things more odd after that story Rockerduck actually used the name "Howard" a couple of times... Then agian, he was never named John in Polish... Just "Kwakerfeller"

Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderIncidentally, my favorite Duck name ever is also a translation of Rockerduck, which comes from German: Leopold Kwartjesvinder (Leopold Quarter-finder). Kwartjesvinder is just a funny word.
:)

The Polish one is pretty good as well. Kwakerfeller = Quacker-feller (which in my opinion is a better play on "Rockefeller" name) Interesting enough - In Ducktales there was a billionare (friedn of Scrooge and a crane) name "Rockerfether".

The Italian "Scrooge vs. Rockerduck" are often about them fighting over the Duckburg's public public opinions, trying tyo have mayor on be either of their sides etc. and In many ways Scrooge/Rockerduck rivaly is way more childish (it also remind me more of Gladstone vs. Donald)
I like stories when they both endup losing at the end becose they both ended up missing the point of what particuall quarrel is all about.

There where adleast two stories I recall when Rockerduck hires Donald as his right hand man (In one he actually asume Donald must be either a super genius or a lucky charm since Scrooge takes Donald with him on his adventures as a on e-man-staff) mainy as a way to make Scrooge angry. Both stories center around Donald/Scrooge relation and how - despite the fact Rockerducky ironiclly treat Donald way better Donald misses Scrooge and their relation
Robb_K
Quote from user: Roger NorthFlintheart saved Scrooge from dying of thirst in the middle of the dessert? It doesn't sound like him.
Dying of thirst when stuck in the middle of DESSERT??? Well, I guess it would be possible, if it were a pound cake that had been in the refrigerator a long time. Still, it doesn't seem to be all that dangerous to me. - UNLESS one has to eat his way out, the way Donald once had to eat out the inside of Miss Penny Wise's Gingerbread House! Then, he risks at least a badly upset stomach, and indigestion. I guess Scrooge was old enough to risk a heart attack from over-eating.
Lars Jensen
Quote from user: Mr. MQuote from user: Roger NorthFlintheart saved Scrooge from dying of thirst in the middle of the dessert? It doesn't sound like him.
No, no, no. I made it sound wrong... I ment he MADE Scrooge almost die from thirst in the middle of a dessert. He cut Scrooge's and Donald's water bottles as they where sleeping.

And he was then perfectly willing to let Scrooge (and Donald) have all the water they wanted... provided they agreed to his terms. Flintheart didn't intend for Scrooge to die; he simply wanted to get an advantage over him!
Mr. M
Yes, but that happend AFTER Donald found some water by chance after hours of walking in the desert...
Still having Scrooge be exhausted from thirst to the point he fainted was pretty sadystic on Glomgold part
Baar Baar Jinx
Quote from user: Mr. MThe Polish one is pretty good as well. Kwakerfeller = Quacker-feller (which in my opinion is a better play on "Rockefeller" name)
I always thought "Duckafeller" would have sounded better than "Rockerduck" ... but "Quackafeller" is even better!

It's a shame Rockerduck hasn't appeared more in the US. Rosa envisioned him as younger than Scrooge (but much older than Donald), and having inherited his wealth. It would have been nice to see him portrayed as a spendthrift, ostentatious and flamboyant with his wealth, and more than happy to flaunt his possessions. Sort of like Donald would be if he inherited his uncle's fortune, maybe? Also, it would be interesting to give him a family ... I always wondered what Glomgold would be like if he had a family to temper him (like Scrooge does).
Mr. M
Like Dutch Duckfan Down Under mentioned Glomgold did had a nephew in two vicar stories.

As for Donald - Acording to one Barks only Huey, Duey and Luey will inherited Scrooges money... but then agian many Italian stories had joke where Scrooge threatens Donald that he will "cut him of the will" so I guess Donald will get ad least some of the Money Bin goods ;)

Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderRockerduck vs. Scrooge is like young vs. old, even though I can't see how much younger Rockerduck is supposed to be
Well "acording to Don Rosa"- when 10-year old Scrooge earn his first dime in year 1877 Howard Rockeduck was still a bachelor (...or cheating on his whife ;) ) Since he needed ad least a year : to travel back to Amercia, find a whife and hava child and a young Jhon was present in 1885 (simple mathemathics don't fail me now...) Id say Rockerduck is ad least 11 years younger then Scrooge.
Lars Jensen
Quote from user: Mr. MYes, but that happend AFTER Donald found some water by chance after hours of walking in the desert...

Still having Scrooge be exhausted from thirst to the point he fainted was pretty sadystic on Glomgold part

No, it wasn't sadistic by Glomgold. Glomgold didn't do what he did because he took pleasure in seeing Scrooge suffer. He did it because he wanted Scrooge to suffer so badly that he would agree to Glomgold's terms. IIRC.

If Flintheart Glomgold were sadistic, he would spend all his time lying to Scrooge about how the profits from Glomgold's businesses were skyrocketing, making sure Scrooge got fake reports about his (Scrooge's) businesses going bankrupt etc. etc.
Mr. M
Ok, you officialy win this argument ;)
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