I need the original English names or, at least, the name of the first state in which the story has been published of a series of Duck relatives and, if specified, their grade of relation with the other members of Duck Family:
- Don's ancestor from B 780138.
- Scrooge's ancestor from D 2007-077.
- Scrooge's ancestor from D 96322.
- Scrooge's ancestor from S 78026.
- Don's ancestor from S 76176.
- Don's ancestor from D 7236.
- Don's deceased relative from D 4947.
- Relative (?) from D 92221.
- Don's deceased relative from H 88117.
- Scrooge's cousin from D 8824.
- Scrooge's relative from S 82025.
- Don and Gladstone's uncle from D 6666 (Richard?).
- Scrooge's aunt from D 8082 (Agatha?).
Furthermore...
How are Duncan McDuck (D 8824) and Ringtail Van Dukke (H 88041) related to Scrooge?
Thank you very much,
Sim
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Topic: Original Names needed
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Sim
Original Names needed
Message 1 -
2012-03-13 at 20:13:34
Lars Jensen
Original Names needed
Message 2 -
2012-03-14 at 01:05:14
Quote from user: Sim- Scrooge's ancestor from D 2007-077.
He's simply described as an ancestor of Scrooge. No name given in the Egmont original. According to Scrooge: "He was a rich, Dutch businessman".
Quote from user: Sim- Scrooge's ancestor from S 78026.
Egmont name: Sir Ronald McDuck. According to Scrooge: "He was a great ancestor of mine who lived in the days of knights in shining armor".
Quote from user: Sim- Don's ancestor from S 76176.
Huey, Dewey and Louie tell Donald: "Our family tree shows that you're the seventeenth son of the seventeenth son of the famous Sir Francis Duck".
Later in the story, Donald mentions "Aunt Dora Duck".
Quote from user: Sim- Don's ancestor from D 7236.
Egmont name: Capt. Seafoam McDuck. He's simply assumed to be an ancestor of Donald.
Quote from user: Sim- Don's deceased relative from H 88117.
Donald's "achter-oud-oom Zebedeus".
Quote from user: Sim- Scrooge's relative from S 82025.
He's Scrooge's Cousin Sage McDuck.
Quote from user: SimHow are [...] Ringtail Van Dukke (H 88041) related to Scrooge?
This character's original Dutch name is Deckselsen Duck (and he resembles Donald Duck). He refers to Donald as "mijn verre oud-achterneef". His nephews (who resemble Huey, Dewey and Louie) are named Kwick, Kweck and Kwack. Deckselsen's rich uncle (who resembles Scrooge) is named Schraepstuyver Duck.
Quote from user: Sim- Don's ancestor from B 780138.
- Scrooge's ancestor from D 96322.
- Don's deceased relative from D 4947.
- Relative (?) from D 92221.
- Scrooge's cousin from D 8824.
- Don and Gladstone's uncle from D 6666 (Richard?).
- Scrooge's aunt from D 8082 (Agatha?).
Furthermore...
How are Duncan McDuck (D 8824) [...] related to Scrooge?
I can't help you with these ones, unfortunately. ;)
He's simply described as an ancestor of Scrooge. No name given in the Egmont original. According to Scrooge: "He was a rich, Dutch businessman".
Quote from user: Sim- Scrooge's ancestor from S 78026.
Egmont name: Sir Ronald McDuck. According to Scrooge: "He was a great ancestor of mine who lived in the days of knights in shining armor".
Quote from user: Sim- Don's ancestor from S 76176.
Huey, Dewey and Louie tell Donald: "Our family tree shows that you're the seventeenth son of the seventeenth son of the famous Sir Francis Duck".
Later in the story, Donald mentions "Aunt Dora Duck".
Quote from user: Sim- Don's ancestor from D 7236.
Egmont name: Capt. Seafoam McDuck. He's simply assumed to be an ancestor of Donald.
Quote from user: Sim- Don's deceased relative from H 88117.
Donald's "achter-oud-oom Zebedeus".
Quote from user: Sim- Scrooge's relative from S 82025.
He's Scrooge's Cousin Sage McDuck.
Quote from user: SimHow are [...] Ringtail Van Dukke (H 88041) related to Scrooge?
This character's original Dutch name is Deckselsen Duck (and he resembles Donald Duck). He refers to Donald as "mijn verre oud-achterneef". His nephews (who resemble Huey, Dewey and Louie) are named Kwick, Kweck and Kwack. Deckselsen's rich uncle (who resembles Scrooge) is named Schraepstuyver Duck.
Quote from user: Sim- Don's ancestor from B 780138.
- Scrooge's ancestor from D 96322.
- Don's deceased relative from D 4947.
- Relative (?) from D 92221.
- Scrooge's cousin from D 8824.
- Don and Gladstone's uncle from D 6666 (Richard?).
- Scrooge's aunt from D 8082 (Agatha?).
Furthermore...
How are Duncan McDuck (D 8824) [...] related to Scrooge?
I can't help you with these ones, unfortunately. ;)
Sim
Original Names needed
Message 3 -
2012-03-14 at 13:18:48
Quote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: Sim- Don's ancestor from S 76176.
Huey, Dewey and Louie tell Donald: "Our family tree shows that you're the seventeenth son of the seventeenth son of the famous Sir Francis Duck".
There are 35 generations between Francis and Donald, right?
Quote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: Sim- Don's deceased relative from H 88117.
Donald's "achter-oud-oom Zebedeus".
What does "achter-oud-oom" mean in English?
Quote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: SimHow are [...] Ringtail Van Dukke (H 88041) related to Scrooge?
This character's original Dutch name is Deckselsen Duck (and he resembles Donald Duck). He refers to Donald as "mijn verre oud-achterneef". His nephews (who resemble Huey, Dewey and Louie) are named Kwick, Kweck and Kwack. Deckselsen's rich uncle (who resembles Scrooge) is named Schraepstuyver Duck.
Don't you know the American names?
Quote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: Sim- Don's ancestor from B 780138.
- Scrooge's ancestor from D 96322.
- Don's deceased relative from D 4947.
- Relative (?) from D 92221.
- Scrooge's cousin from D 8824.
- Don and Gladstone's uncle from D 6666 (Richard?).
- Scrooge's aunt from D 8082 (Agatha?).
Furthermore...
How are Duncan McDuck (D 8824) [...] related to Scrooge?
I can't help you with these ones, unfortunately. ;)
Could anybody else?.
Thank you very much, Lars! ;)
Sim
Huey, Dewey and Louie tell Donald: "Our family tree shows that you're the seventeenth son of the seventeenth son of the famous Sir Francis Duck".
There are 35 generations between Francis and Donald, right?
Quote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: Sim- Don's deceased relative from H 88117.
Donald's "achter-oud-oom Zebedeus".
What does "achter-oud-oom" mean in English?
Quote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: SimHow are [...] Ringtail Van Dukke (H 88041) related to Scrooge?
This character's original Dutch name is Deckselsen Duck (and he resembles Donald Duck). He refers to Donald as "mijn verre oud-achterneef". His nephews (who resemble Huey, Dewey and Louie) are named Kwick, Kweck and Kwack. Deckselsen's rich uncle (who resembles Scrooge) is named Schraepstuyver Duck.
Don't you know the American names?
Quote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: Sim- Don's ancestor from B 780138.
- Scrooge's ancestor from D 96322.
- Don's deceased relative from D 4947.
- Relative (?) from D 92221.
- Scrooge's cousin from D 8824.
- Don and Gladstone's uncle from D 6666 (Richard?).
- Scrooge's aunt from D 8082 (Agatha?).
Furthermore...
How are Duncan McDuck (D 8824) [...] related to Scrooge?
I can't help you with these ones, unfortunately. ;)
Could anybody else?.
Thank you very much, Lars! ;)
Sim
Lars Jensen
Original Names needed
Message 4 -
2012-03-14 at 13:37:49
Quote from user: SimThere are 35 generations between Francis and Donald, right?
Don't know.
Quote from user: SimWhat does "achter-oud-oom" mean in English?
Don't know.
Quote from user: SimQuote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: SimHow are [...] Ringtail Van Dukke (H 88041) related to Scrooge?
This character's original Dutch name is Deckselsen Duck (and he resembles Donald Duck). He refers to Donald as "mijn verre oud-achterneef". His nephews (who resemble Huey, Dewey and Louie) are named Kwick, Kweck and Kwack. Deckselsen's rich uncle (who resembles Scrooge) is named Schraepstuyver Duck.
Don't you know the American names?
I thought you preferred original names?!? But OK:
Deckselsen's American name is Ringtail Van Dukke.
Kwick, Kweck and Kwack's American names are Gruffy, Ruffy and Tuffy.
Schraepstuyver Duck's American name is Pinchpenny Van Dukke.
Hope it helps. ;)
Don't know.
Quote from user: SimWhat does "achter-oud-oom" mean in English?
Don't know.
Quote from user: SimQuote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: SimHow are [...] Ringtail Van Dukke (H 88041) related to Scrooge?
This character's original Dutch name is Deckselsen Duck (and he resembles Donald Duck). He refers to Donald as "mijn verre oud-achterneef". His nephews (who resemble Huey, Dewey and Louie) are named Kwick, Kweck and Kwack. Deckselsen's rich uncle (who resembles Scrooge) is named Schraepstuyver Duck.
Don't you know the American names?
I thought you preferred original names?!? But OK:
Deckselsen's American name is Ringtail Van Dukke.
Kwick, Kweck and Kwack's American names are Gruffy, Ruffy and Tuffy.
Schraepstuyver Duck's American name is Pinchpenny Van Dukke.
Hope it helps. ;)
Sim
Original Names needed
Message 5 -
2012-03-14 at 14:22:16
Quote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: SimThere are 35 generations between Francis and Donald, right?
Don't know.
I mean: 17 + 17 = 34
34 + 1 (Francis) = 35
Quote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: SimQuote from user: Lars JensenThis character's original Dutch name is Deckselsen Duck (and he resembles Donald Duck). He refers to Donald as "mijn verre oud-achterneef". His nephews (who resemble Huey, Dewey and Louie) are named Kwick, Kweck and Kwack. Deckselsen's rich uncle (who resembles Scrooge) is named Schraepstuyver Duck.
Don't you know the American names?
I thought you preferred original names?!? But OK:
Deckselsen's American name is Ringtail Van Dukke.
Kwick, Kweck and Kwack's American names are Gruffy, Ruffy and Tuffy.
Schraepstuyver Duck's American name is Pinchpenny Van Dukke.
Hope it helps. ;)
And how has been "mijn verre oud-achterneef" translated in USA?
Thank you. :)
Don't know.
I mean: 17 + 17 = 34
34 + 1 (Francis) = 35
Quote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: SimQuote from user: Lars JensenThis character's original Dutch name is Deckselsen Duck (and he resembles Donald Duck). He refers to Donald as "mijn verre oud-achterneef". His nephews (who resemble Huey, Dewey and Louie) are named Kwick, Kweck and Kwack. Deckselsen's rich uncle (who resembles Scrooge) is named Schraepstuyver Duck.
Don't you know the American names?
I thought you preferred original names?!? But OK:
Deckselsen's American name is Ringtail Van Dukke.
Kwick, Kweck and Kwack's American names are Gruffy, Ruffy and Tuffy.
Schraepstuyver Duck's American name is Pinchpenny Van Dukke.
Hope it helps. ;)
And how has been "mijn verre oud-achterneef" translated in USA?
Thank you. :)
Lars Jensen
Original Names needed
Message 6 -
2012-03-14 at 15:12:42
Quote from user: SimAnd how has been "mijn verre oud-achterneef" translated in USA?
I just looked up the story in Inducks. It doesn't seem to have been published in the US.
I just looked up the story in Inducks. It doesn't seem to have been published in the US.
Sim
Original Names needed
Message 7 -
2012-03-14 at 15:33:55
Quote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: SimAnd how has been "mijn verre oud-achterneef" translated in USA?
I just looked up the story in Inducks. It doesn't seem to have been published in the US.
I mean in the Ringtail story.
I just looked up the story in Inducks. It doesn't seem to have been published in the US.
I mean in the Ringtail story.
Lars Jensen
Original Names needed
Message 8 -
2012-03-14 at 15:45:38
Quote from user: SimI mean in the Ringtail story.
Oops. Ringtail calls Donald "my great-great-great grandnephew". ;)
Oops. Ringtail calls Donald "my great-great-great grandnephew". ;)
Sim
Original Names needed
Message 9 -
2012-03-14 at 16:17:13
Quote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: SimI mean in the Ringtail story.
Oops. Ringtail calls Donald "my great-great-great grandnephew". ;)
Ok, Ringtail calls Don "my gr..." hey, waitasec! Is Ringtail (and his close relatives) still alive?! O.o
Oops. Ringtail calls Donald "my great-great-great grandnephew". ;)
Ok, Ringtail calls Don "my gr..." hey, waitasec! Is Ringtail (and his close relatives) still alive?! O.o
Lars Jensen
Original Names needed
Message 10 -
2012-03-14 at 16:42:00
Quote from user: SimIs Ringtail (and his close relatives) still alive?! O.o
Ringtail is now dead. I don't know about the others.
Ringtail is now dead. I don't know about the others.
Sim
Original Names needed
Message 11 -
2012-03-14 at 19:16:31
Quote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: SimIs Ringtail (and his close relatives) still alive?! O.o
Ringtail is now dead.
If he is dead, how could he call Donald? May he is a ghost?
Quote from user: Lars JensenI don't know about the others.
Haven't you ever read the story, Lars?
Ringtail is now dead.
If he is dead, how could he call Donald? May he is a ghost?
Quote from user: Lars JensenI don't know about the others.
Haven't you ever read the story, Lars?
Lars Jensen
Original Names needed
Message 12 -
2012-03-14 at 20:13:06
Quote from user: SimIf he is dead, how could he call Donald? May he is a ghost?
SPOILER: yes, on the next-to-last page of the story we learn he's a ghost.
Quote from user: SimHaven't you ever read the story, Lars?
Yes, I have, but I didn't see any confirmation that they are dead. They might be, since they lived a long time ago. On the other hand, perhaps they somehow managed to live on (by swimming in the Fountain of Youth, for instance).
SPOILER: yes, on the next-to-last page of the story we learn he's a ghost.
Quote from user: SimHaven't you ever read the story, Lars?
Yes, I have, but I didn't see any confirmation that they are dead. They might be, since they lived a long time ago. On the other hand, perhaps they somehow managed to live on (by swimming in the Fountain of Youth, for instance).
Andrea
Original Names needed
Message 13 -
2012-03-14 at 21:24:21
Quote from user: SimQuote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: SimThere are 35 generations between Francis and Donald, right?
Don't know.
I mean: 17 + 17 = 34
34 + 1 (Francis) = 35
Thank you. :)
No. It only means that the seventeenth son of Francis had seventeen sons. The seventeenth of these had a son who is Donald.
Clearly this is impossible and the sentence needs rephrasing.
Don't know.
I mean: 17 + 17 = 34
34 + 1 (Francis) = 35
Thank you. :)
No. It only means that the seventeenth son of Francis had seventeen sons. The seventeenth of these had a son who is Donald.
Clearly this is impossible and the sentence needs rephrasing.
Sim
Original Names needed
Message 14 -
2012-03-14 at 21:33:30
Quote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: SimIf he is dead, how could he call Donald? May he is a ghost?
(by swimming in the Fountain of Youth, for instance).
Haha you're right!
(by swimming in the Fountain of Youth, for instance).
Haha you're right!
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
Original Names needed
Message 15 -
2012-03-15 at 16:43:47
Quote from user: SimQuote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: Sim- Don's deceased relative from H 88117.
Donald's "achter-oud-oom Zebedeus".
What does "achter-oud-oom" mean in English?
Funny thing, they're talking about uncle Jake McDuck here. At least, in the Dutch translation of "A Christmas for Shacktown" there's the line: "Ik ben het, je oude oom Zebedeus! Herken je me niet meer, jongen?" Meaning: "It's me, you're old uncle Jake! Don't you recognize me anymore, my boy?"
An "oudoom" (literally old-uncle) is the brother of your grandparent, so that's what Scrooge is from Huey, Dewey and Louie. The "achter" could mean two things: "great", as in "achterkleinkind"/"great grandchild", but it can also mean "once removed", as in "achterneef"/"cousin once removed", the children of the oudoom I mentioned earlier. If they're more removed, just add "achter"s. So a cousin twice removed would be an achterachterneef.
Conclusion: the most logical translation of "achter-oud-oom" Zebedeus is "great uncle once removed" Zebedeus.
Quote from user: SimQuote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: SimDon't you know the American names?
I thought you preferred original names?!? But OK:
Deckselsen's American name is Ringtail Van Dukke.
Kwick, Kweck and Kwack's American names are Gruffy, Ruffy and Tuffy.
Schraepstuyver Duck's American name is Pinchpenny Van Dukke.
Hope it helps. ;)
And how has been "mijn verre oud-achterneef" translated in USA?
Thank you. :)
More notes on character names, they're all puns in Ye Olde Dutche.
Deckselsen Duck is a pun on Deksels! which is a way of saying Damn! while actually saying Lids! (plural of lid) Note that saying Deksels! in real life would get you weird looks, like saying Aw, goosefeathers! in English.
Kwick, Kweck and Kwack are puns on Kwik, Kwek and Kwak. It's exactly the same, just old Dutch.
Schraepstuyver Duck is a pun on the word schraapstuiver, a way of saying greedy. It's easily translatable to the French name Picsou. Schraap-stuiver is literally scrape-nickel. He'd scrape a nickel off the street if he saw one. It's as obsolete as Deksels!
A "verre oud-achterneef" would be a "distant great-cousin once removed". See the explanation earlier in this post. A "great-great-great grandnephew" would be a "achterachterachterachterneef".
Donald's "achter-oud-oom Zebedeus".
What does "achter-oud-oom" mean in English?
Funny thing, they're talking about uncle Jake McDuck here. At least, in the Dutch translation of "A Christmas for Shacktown" there's the line: "Ik ben het, je oude oom Zebedeus! Herken je me niet meer, jongen?" Meaning: "It's me, you're old uncle Jake! Don't you recognize me anymore, my boy?"
An "oudoom" (literally old-uncle) is the brother of your grandparent, so that's what Scrooge is from Huey, Dewey and Louie. The "achter" could mean two things: "great", as in "achterkleinkind"/"great grandchild", but it can also mean "once removed", as in "achterneef"/"cousin once removed", the children of the oudoom I mentioned earlier. If they're more removed, just add "achter"s. So a cousin twice removed would be an achterachterneef.
Conclusion: the most logical translation of "achter-oud-oom" Zebedeus is "great uncle once removed" Zebedeus.
Quote from user: SimQuote from user: Lars JensenQuote from user: SimDon't you know the American names?
I thought you preferred original names?!? But OK:
Deckselsen's American name is Ringtail Van Dukke.
Kwick, Kweck and Kwack's American names are Gruffy, Ruffy and Tuffy.
Schraepstuyver Duck's American name is Pinchpenny Van Dukke.
Hope it helps. ;)
And how has been "mijn verre oud-achterneef" translated in USA?
Thank you. :)
More notes on character names, they're all puns in Ye Olde Dutche.
Deckselsen Duck is a pun on Deksels! which is a way of saying Damn! while actually saying Lids! (plural of lid) Note that saying Deksels! in real life would get you weird looks, like saying Aw, goosefeathers! in English.
Kwick, Kweck and Kwack are puns on Kwik, Kwek and Kwak. It's exactly the same, just old Dutch.
Schraepstuyver Duck is a pun on the word schraapstuiver, a way of saying greedy. It's easily translatable to the French name Picsou. Schraap-stuiver is literally scrape-nickel. He'd scrape a nickel off the street if he saw one. It's as obsolete as Deksels!
A "verre oud-achterneef" would be a "distant great-cousin once removed". See the explanation earlier in this post. A "great-great-great grandnephew" would be a "achterachterachterachterneef".