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Sim
A great character indeed!
In Barks first Family tree, Gladstone (son of Daphne Duck and Luke the Goose) was orphaned and adopted by Goosetave Gander and Matilda McDuck.
Barks himself made, in his second Family tree, Gladstone be Donald's cousin, son of Don's father's sister.
Gladstone confirms in "Race to the South Seas" this relations, but he adds that Ganders and Ducks have never mixed, so it's unlikely that Gladstone's mother is Daphne Duck.
Gladstone desceands from British Sirs and lazy Ganders, who have never worked in their lifes.
In I PM 145-1, we discover that -as me- Gladstone is a long late relative of John Lackland, pardon... of Gladstone Lackland. ;)
A great character indeed!
Mr. M
It's odd but Gladstone was always one of my favorite characters... It hard to say way to be honest. The whole luck gimick is one of those things that can get old very fast unless a writer will come up with a idea that will capture you off gourd. His a jerk in Barks univers (then agan he was pretty sympathethic in many italian stories, as well in Ducktales and some Rosa stories) It's hard to say way... I just like this guy and enjoy stories center around him... It's odd but I guess somebody has to ;)

There is one very sweet story by Vicar that explores his personality in a interesting way. In the story the duck family makes a supprise birthday party for Gladstone but he acts like a jerk and makes unplesant coments about the presents they got him (as he already won all the stuff at one point) The family gets angry at Galdstone and live. Gladstone for once in his life realise that people dislike him for his luck and he ask Gyro to make him a machine that would suck all the luck out of him and for the first time he actually tries to work hard to show others he can acomplish things without his luck. It was very good story
Baar Baar Jinx
Quote from user: CoolwaterDon Rosa was able to imagine even the most tragic-ironic turnover of Gander's "luck" against its bearer. ;)

Quote:[Don Rosa] talks about his *very first* Duck story that he drew for fun when he was in college in 1969. [...] Look forward to seeing Huey, Dewey and Louie as Hippie Students and Gladstone Gander blowing off his head while playing Russian Roulette...
(Source)

Forgive my state of uninformedness, but was this amateur Rosa parody story ever published? If so, in what book?
Mr. M
Man, that Gladstone. He just doesn't get enough credit for his awesomeness. If only there were a story that really focused on how great he is, and then there were some sort of thing that threatened to make him seem less great, but in the end, his essential greatness was confirmed...
Robb_K
Quote from user: Mr. MThere is one very sweet story by Vicar that explores his personality in a interesting way. Gladstone for once in his life realises that people dislike him for his luck and he asks Gyro to make him a machine that would suck all the luck out of him, and for the first time he actually tries to work hard to show others he can acomplish things without his luck. It was very good story
It's good to see that Disney Comics editors are allowing some expanding of the characters of the 0one-dimensional characters. I guess I will submit my Gladstone ("backstory") story after all.
Mr. M
What was interesting in that story (SPOILERS) is that Gladstone character actually developes at the end. While he get's his luck back, he starts enjoying wokring in his garden, plantin trees, help them grow etc. however he only do it by night and keeps it a secret betwen him and Gyro so Donald woudn't know about it

BTW-> http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=D+2002-076 - the story in question. "Party Of None!" by Vicar and Michael T. Gilbert. I like the Polish title ("O czym marzÄ? szczÄ?Å?ciarze"?) which basically translate "What do the lucky people dream of ?"

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Two more thing that pop into my head about this story :

1) I wonder if Fethry wasn't ment to be in the oryginal script but the editor force him ore something. He appear in the stor for few pages but just stands in the background and as the only character in the duck family who has no lines... He appears to be forced extra in this one..

2) In the story Gladstone actualy say (being trully sad) that while he like to tease Donald on ocasion he never ment to be unsypathethic to any other person and is trully hurt when he notice people that his family hates him.

There is is similar moment in a Italian story (sorry I'm blanking on the name) but is more of a meta joke/play for laughs. In the story Gladstone wants to go on vacation (he won so many trips) but don't want to go alone. He go to Donald, Fethry, Scrooge and several more character but they all are busy with their own vacation plans.
There is a cute moment of Gladstone walking down the street sad that he is left alone in the city with no friends. He start having a monolog "Maybe people don't like me? Maybe it's my luck makes me unsympathethic ?"but in the last panel of the page he goes "No! That would be ridiculous" To make the scene a ironic in all the panels Gladston kicks something on his way which turn out to be lucky but he don't notice it (for example he kicks a can and you can notice a diamont neckles inside)

[SPOILERS for the rest of the plot] - As the story falows the runs into the Beagle Boys and ask them to spent vacation together. At first the Beagle refuse (even they dislike him) but then Grandpa Beagle points out how lucky Gladsone is and they acept his offer. The Beagle spent a vacation with Gladstone and trick him to help them to commit various criems by using his luck without him noticing it (by DuckTales logic Gladstone luck would turn agianst him if it was used for a crime but then agian DuckTales is no cannon) At the end Bealges get arrested and sent to jail but to their supprise Gladstone comes to visit them and brings a photo album and say he actually appreciates the time they spent together. The last panel have a cute scene of Gladstone and Beagle enyoing photos from their vacation together... The story had few cute moments that explore Gladstone (as he was trying to be very friendly in this story, even to the Beagles) and few very funny gags, but few moments didn't made much sence (many ideas how the Beagles used Gladstone luck as a crime tool - like a scene when they where visiting a museum and for few second lights go out and the Beagles still a paiting - made me go "Um... thats not how luck works, by this logic it should affect all people around Gladstone all the time not just him") But over all it was interesting use of Gladstoe and one that makes him way more likeable.
Matilda
Interesting--there's apparently a similar story starting on Gladstone's birthday where he wishes his luck away, by Janet Gilbert ("Unlucky Luck"). I wonder whether she and Michael talked about this idea together, and then each decided to develop it in a different direction? Happily, both stories have been published in France, so I have a chance of reading them. I do like the idea of Gladstone secretly enjoying some work.
Mr. M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnDMrcVwJFg - I still strongly recomend this DuckTales episode to all the Gladstone Gander fans (one of two episodes they use him, not countig some line-less cameos) Pretty interesting story focusing on the chracter...
BTW -> I just love the voice they give to Gladstone :D
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
Something that strikes about Gladstone sometimes is how superstitious can be. Since he is a luck-based character, he seems to be quite involved with that sort of supernatural mumbo-jumbo. (See for example his star map in Luck of the North.) I think that's striking, because most Disney characters are more down-to-earth, despite the supernatural adventures they sometimes have.
Mr. M
Funny... When you think about it Gladstone appears to be the only character to have clear religious belives (other then Scrooge visiting his parents grave in Rosa tales, so I guess his a Christian) I recall some Italian stories were Gladstne would directly turn to Themis (Greek godes of fortune and fate) in a pray when he was down on his luck, has figures/pictures of her in his house, talk about how she is waching he belive she is actually watching him from above and there was even one or two stories when she would actually appear in person and interact with Gladstone who she consider her favorite duck/gander...

So... basicaly Gladstone is a neopagan... and it's appear this religion is the true one in this universe...
GeoX
That's an interesting point about Gladstone. As for this, though:

Quote from user: Mr. M(other then Scrooge visiting his parents grave in Rosa tales, so I guess his a Christian)
I would first note that paying respect to one's deceased parents is hardly a Christian-exclusive thing. I would note second that Rosa also depicts Scrooge's ancestors eternally playing golf on clouds, which doesn't have any relation to any Christian theology I know of. I would note third that he also depicts Finnish mythology as being a "real thing;" god knows how that jives with anything.

Point being, Rosa just goes with what works at any given time; I don't think there's meant to be any real coherent cosmology to any of this.
Mr. M
And that's a good ;)

Quote from user: GeoXI would first note that paying respect to one's deceased parents is hardly a Christian-exclusive thing.
You're right. I was more thinking about the fact it was a Christian cemetary (crosses and all)

Quote from user: GeoXI would note second that Rosa also depicts Scrooge's ancestors eternally playing golf on clouds, which doesn't have any relation to any Christian theology I know of.
Nope but it's more or less a way people today imagin heaven - "people siting in cloud's in the sky, enjoying "life".

Another Scrooge Christian related moment as in chapter 4 of L&T (in Polish translation ad least) - After Howard Rockerduck spalsh him with water Scrooge say "St. Peter is is oftern raining in heaven ?" In Don Rosa's "A letter from home" Donald is shown being God-fearing as after he broke the Holy Grail (which didn't look anything like the actuall one would, but whatever) he looks tothe sky sweating - "Errr... Sorry" (even Louie refrence that he hopes Donald won't turn into a "pilar of salt" refrencing Genesis 19:26) But this is as clouses we get characters talking about God (the Christian one) in the duck stories.

I do recall there where some Italian stories that would parody tales from the Old testament ("Adam and Eve", "Noah Arc", "David vs. Goliath") plust there was that tripy "Divine Comedy" adaptation with Mickey...
Coolwater
Quote from user: Mr. MSo... basicaly Gladstone is a neopagan... and it's appear this religion is the true one in this universe...
In Barks' For Old Dime's Sake (US 43) Magica De Spell claims indeed having found the archaeological-magiological evidence that the Hellenic 'gods' were "likely live sorcerers than figments of ancient dreams" ...
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
Quote from user: CoolwaterQuote from user: Mr. MSo... basicaly Gladstone is a neopagan... and it's appear this religion is the true one in this universe...
In Barks' For Old Dime's Sake (US 43) Magica De Spell claims indeed having found the archaeological-magiological evidence that the Hellenic 'gods' were "likely live sorcerers than figments of ancient dreams" ...

And in Barks' Mythtic Mystery (US 34) we find out that Nordic gods actually exist, but they're extraterrestrials.
Matilda
On the Grail in Rosa's "A Letter from Home," see his notes on that story in U$ 342. He explicitly says that showing the grail as part of the Templars' treasure here was a way to satisfy duckfans who had clamored for Scrooge to go on a quest for the grail, without having to go into detail on the backstory of the grail, which would be inappropriately religious for a duck comic. One can see Donald's heavenward "sorry" as connoting either belief in (the Christian) God or amorphous superstition, as the reader wishes. Either way, his worry is played for comedic and not pious effect.

And obviously, the heaven in L&T ch. 5 owes more to the David Niven movie Rosa references in his notes than to Christian theology--it's comedic popular-culture afterlife developed in a vaguely Christian/post-Christian culture.

I'm surprised you don't mention the cathedral of Notre Duck, Mr. M. True, no one actually worships there (or is even reported to worship there); they only come to throw or dip stuff into the wishing fountain/well. The only iconography shown is the ceiling painting of St. George and the dragon--a nice folkloric bit for Barks to select, a fairy tale that still seems appropriate in a cathedral, without being overtly religious/theological in nature.

I don't mean to sound negative about religious meaning, here; I'm a Christian theologian, myself. But I approve of keeping explicit religious content out of duck comics.

Oh, and in the panel in L&T ch. 4 where Rockerduck pours a pitcher of water on Scrooge, the original Rosa dialogue reads:

Rockerduck: Wake up, Sonny! Now comes the tough part!
Scrooge: What? Having the monograms on my silk shirts embroidered to read "richest duck in Montana"?
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