To be correct I ment this panel :
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4043/stpeter.jpg
Quote from user: MatildaI don't mean to sound negative about religious meaning, here; I'm a Christian theologian, myself. But I approve of keeping explicit religious content out of duck comics
I'm with you. I just don't mind if a refrence will pop out once a while, much like those in Rosa stories (nuns in "Last Lord of El Dorado" for example).
To be honest I didn't read the Notre Duck story in years so It's very rearly comes to my mind
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Topic: Gladstone Gander Discussion Thread
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Mr. M
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Message 31 -
2012-08-12 at 02:35:05
Matilda
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Message 32 -
2012-08-13 at 22:47:47
Ah, missed that panel! I did scan the whole story for any other Rockerduck-dousing-Scrooge scenes, and missed this--I suppose because there's no panel showing R. pouring the water over S. Good, I'm glad that the Polish translation wasn't as far off as I had feared! :)
SalemaRu
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Message 33 -
2012-08-15 at 23:26:07
Back to the Gladstone Gander theme I think it's a very well done character, one of greatest Barks creations. When we are read comics with him, he looks like someone really irritate and annoying with all his luck. Especially for Donald, which he likes driving mad for some reason. I think, in their boyhood times Donald was hating his lucky cousin just like now, maybe he was a single person, who did it. Gladstone remembered it and he has liked to make his unlucky cousin more angry by showing his incredible luck.
Gladstone is absolute interesting like an adding to the Duck family and like an opposition of Donald and Scrooge McDuck. With his not really well nature, laziness and lack of education of love and work he is not really villain. It's nice to see how he shows his good sides in some stories.
One moment I didn't understood well - is Gladstone "losing" his luck when he begin to working or something like that? (from the "Trail of the Unicorn" and "Gladstone's Terrible Secret")
Gladstone is absolute interesting like an adding to the Duck family and like an opposition of Donald and Scrooge McDuck. With his not really well nature, laziness and lack of education of love and work he is not really villain. It's nice to see how he shows his good sides in some stories.
One moment I didn't understood well - is Gladstone "losing" his luck when he begin to working or something like that? (from the "Trail of the Unicorn" and "Gladstone's Terrible Secret")
Mr. M
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Message 34 -
2012-08-16 at 00:04:17
I never really got how the heck Gladstone endet up as Donald's driver at the end of "Rival Beachcombers". Why? He hates to work and have no reason to get a job of any sort... How o earth he would ended up in that situation. They didn't explain it... It was just odd way to panish Gladston for being a jerk in this stoy that didn't made much sence or logic...
SalemaRu
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Message 35 -
2012-08-16 at 20:32:52
Quote from user: Mr. MI never really got how the heck Gladstone endet up as Donald's driver at the end of "Rival Beachcombers". Why? He hates to work and have no reason to get a job of any sort... How o earth he would ended up in that situation. They didn't explain it... It was just odd way to panish Gladston for being a jerk in this stoy that didn't made much sence or logic...
I suppose it was one of early Gladstone stories, when Barks had first experiments with his luck. In that time he could not thinking about this character can't have a job.
I suppose it was one of early Gladstone stories, when Barks had first experiments with his luck. In that time he could not thinking about this character can't have a job.
Mr. M
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Message 36 -
2012-08-16 at 21:08:33
To be fair this is 4'rth Gladstone story right beafore "THE RACE TO THE SOUTH SEAS" when Barks officialy introduce the whole incredible luck element.
However in the story it hard to tell if Gladstone didn't had his trademark luck since he spent all the time not working whaiting for something good to happend on his own and he get's "lucky" in a way hes the only duck who dosen't get arested... so you can argue this IS the very first story when Gladstone shows saings of incredible luck even if no character directly mentiones it...
However in the story it hard to tell if Gladstone didn't had his trademark luck since he spent all the time not working whaiting for something good to happend on his own and he get's "lucky" in a way hes the only duck who dosen't get arested... so you can argue this IS the very first story when Gladstone shows saings of incredible luck even if no character directly mentiones it...
SalemaRu
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Message 37 -
2012-08-16 at 23:09:28
Yes, it was second story after introducing of Lucky Gladstone, but in that time character was shaped and these stories could have really strange moments for us.
Yes, Gladstone had been lucky already in that story, but it's not exclude ability to having a one day job for example. In the end of "Rival Beachcombers" Barks just cut Gladstone down to size of 'fall villain' in that story, but later he made him never ever worked character and then that moment with "Donald's driver" seems really strange.
Yes, Gladstone had been lucky already in that story, but it's not exclude ability to having a one day job for example. In the end of "Rival Beachcombers" Barks just cut Gladstone down to size of 'fall villain' in that story, but later he made him never ever worked character and then that moment with "Donald's driver" seems really strange.
Matilda
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Message 38 -
2012-08-22 at 17:55:51
Mr. M, thanks for recommending the Michael T. Gilbert/Vicar story "Party of None!" on this thread. I bought a French copy, and liked it very much. As you say, nice development of Gladstone's character. As GeoX said on his blog in reference to Magica's character's development in "Date with a Munchkin," it's too bad that later stories can't build on that change. But the story definitely does make Gladstone more sympathetic.
As for Fethry's role in the story, I thought he was just there to help fill out the party scenes. Perhaps it was Vicar's choice, since Fethry's not in the script--or perhaps the script specified. HDL only have one throwaway line ("better late than never!"), and they're in all the party scenes.
And, speaking of party scenes (the last splash-panel one, to be precise): I want Helper to fly around at my next birthday party in a little flying car towing a "Happy Birthday" banner!
I also like the fact that it is Grandma Duck's birthday gift (and her teaching/example) that gets Gladstone hooked on the gratification of gardening.
As for Fethry's role in the story, I thought he was just there to help fill out the party scenes. Perhaps it was Vicar's choice, since Fethry's not in the script--or perhaps the script specified. HDL only have one throwaway line ("better late than never!"), and they're in all the party scenes.
And, speaking of party scenes (the last splash-panel one, to be precise): I want Helper to fly around at my next birthday party in a little flying car towing a "Happy Birthday" banner!
I also like the fact that it is Grandma Duck's birthday gift (and her teaching/example) that gets Gladstone hooked on the gratification of gardening.
Mr. M
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Message 39 -
2012-08-22 at 20:49:05
This story have similar - if not identical premise (Gladstone ask Gyro to remove his luck and start's working) :
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=I+TL+2865-1
However Gladstone motivation for not wanting to be lucky is simply "I got tired of being lucky" rather then "Wow! I never realise my behavoir is hurting people I care about" so it's less efective and has no emotional impact
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=I+TL+2865-1
However Gladstone motivation for not wanting to be lucky is simply "I got tired of being lucky" rather then "Wow! I never realise my behavoir is hurting people I care about" so it's less efective and has no emotional impact
Ramapith
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Message 40 -
2012-08-22 at 21:44:37
Quote from user: Mr. MI wonder if Fethry wasn't meant to be in the original script but the editor forced him or something. He appears in the story for a few pages but just stands in the background and is the only character in the duck family who has no lines...
Actually, Gus didn't have any lines, either.
But speaking as the editor, I did add Fethry to "Party of None." My unit was producing a lot of Fethry-starring stories at that time, and I also made a point of including Fethry in other stories where the whole Duck family got together??as part of establishing him as a recurring character in the Egmont weekly (where he hadn't appeared for several years beforehand).
On the other hand, I didn't force him in??I asked the author first! (In fact, your posting had me wondering, in retrospect, whether I'd also added Gus or even HDL, but I just now had a chat with author Michael T. Gilbert, and he thinks Fethry is the only one I was responsible for...)
Actually, Gus didn't have any lines, either.
But speaking as the editor, I did add Fethry to "Party of None." My unit was producing a lot of Fethry-starring stories at that time, and I also made a point of including Fethry in other stories where the whole Duck family got together??as part of establishing him as a recurring character in the Egmont weekly (where he hadn't appeared for several years beforehand).
On the other hand, I didn't force him in??I asked the author first! (In fact, your posting had me wondering, in retrospect, whether I'd also added Gus or even HDL, but I just now had a chat with author Michael T. Gilbert, and he thinks Fethry is the only one I was responsible for...)
Mr. M
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Message 41 -
2012-08-22 at 22:45:18
Actually I think it's a good idea that Fethry was included. I just wanted to point out is was a bit noticeable he wasn't ment to be there in the first place (in script)... but maybe it's do to the fact the only time I've seen him in Vicars story [I checked at INCUCKS and he drawn few more stories with him but this is the only one of those stories that was publish in Poland] and I heard some stories od editors requesting writers to include Fethry beafore (Don Rosa Family Three for example)
Thanks for confirmation ;)
BTW -> When Vicar was in Poland (I think it was the year 2004) and was sinigin my "Hal of fame book" I mentioned in a conversation that I consider "Party of none" my personal favorite of his stories [I didn't use the title - I don't think the english title did exist at this point - I just refrence it as "the Gladstone birthday story when Gyro made machine that made Glastone normal"] and Vicar reply he enjoy it as well ;)
Thanks for confirmation ;)
BTW -> When Vicar was in Poland (I think it was the year 2004) and was sinigin my "Hal of fame book" I mentioned in a conversation that I consider "Party of none" my personal favorite of his stories [I didn't use the title - I don't think the english title did exist at this point - I just refrence it as "the Gladstone birthday story when Gyro made machine that made Glastone normal"] and Vicar reply he enjoy it as well ;)
Matilda
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Message 42 -
2012-08-23 at 04:21:04
See, apparently I don't *expect* Gus to say anything...whereas I do expect Fethry to make his presence known, as a general rule!
AngelxFall
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Message 43 -
2012-11-15 at 17:01:29
I found really interesting what Mr. M said about Gladstone's faith. Now I'm angry that I never read all those stories!
Gladstone is an interesting character. When his portrayal is flat, I end up being annoyed, but in general I'm rather fond of him. He was a very needed character, the comics would lose a lot of their charm without Gladstone. I love the dynamics between Donald and him and find it extremely sweet that Daisy loves Donald, even though Gander seems like a much more sensible choice with his looks and luck.
I really hate it when unskilled scriptwriters portray him as nothing more than shallow(and sometimes even cruel) jerk.
Gladstone is an interesting character. When his portrayal is flat, I end up being annoyed, but in general I'm rather fond of him. He was a very needed character, the comics would lose a lot of their charm without Gladstone. I love the dynamics between Donald and him and find it extremely sweet that Daisy loves Donald, even though Gander seems like a much more sensible choice with his looks and luck.
I really hate it when unskilled scriptwriters portray him as nothing more than shallow(and sometimes even cruel) jerk.
Robb_K
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Message 44 -
2012-11-16 at 00:11:57
I too agree that Gladstone is an important character, and his character should be expanded and fleshed out more, so it won't be so one-dimensional. He is portrayed mostly as a lazy, selfish, cold-hearted and shallow person, who wishes nothing but bad for Donald. He appreciates nothing, and everything is boring to him except getting Donald's goat. He has nothing but what his luck can bring to offer Daisy, so to him, she is only a "trophy" to win in competition with Donald. He is incapable of a meaningful relationship because he has no true compassion and empathy for others, and no self worth. He's always had everything handed to him with no effort on his own part. So, he has no idea of what accomplishment is, doesn't know the feeling of worth from striving for a goal and reaching it, nor the pain of failure. He, therefore, doesn't appreciate anything, and so, can have no true enjoyment. Everything is boring to him.
That situation reminds me of a "Twilight Zone" episode from the late 1950s, in which a man is rich beyond his dreams, has all the beautiful women he wants, ALWAYS wins at gambling, has servants to order around (power), gets vengeance on his enemies whenever he wants, and so, he thinks he has died and gone to heaven. But KNOWING AHEAD OF TIME that he will always win, always get the best, always get everything he wants by just wishing it, makes him uninterested and bored with all that. It becomes tedious, knowing ahead what will happen. He finds that he hates his new "lucky" existence. When he asks why Heaven is boring, he finds out that he, instead, actually ended up in the place where bad people go (Hell).
Gladstone's only idea of self worth is his being given the title of "World's luckiest Duck (man). But that is not true self worth, as it comes from no accomplishment of his nor any good quality, but from arbitrary luck, which can be taken away from him at any time, for no reason. Therefore, he is a pathetic character, to be pitied, rather than hated (just because he is hero Donald's nemesis).
Naturally, Daisy always ends up with Donald, because he's a real person. She just uses Gladstone for the fun and excitement and material things his luck can bring her. He has no emotional comfort for her. She uses him mainly to make Donald jealous, and to have power over Donald, so she can eventually get what she wants from him.
I would like Gladstone to show some humanity and vulnerability and empathy for others. I would like to see him try to use his luck to help Donald, for a change. I have written some stories with such happenings, but have been advised that my editors probably wouldn't accept them because they think that the readers will only want to see Gladstone act as he always has.
That situation reminds me of a "Twilight Zone" episode from the late 1950s, in which a man is rich beyond his dreams, has all the beautiful women he wants, ALWAYS wins at gambling, has servants to order around (power), gets vengeance on his enemies whenever he wants, and so, he thinks he has died and gone to heaven. But KNOWING AHEAD OF TIME that he will always win, always get the best, always get everything he wants by just wishing it, makes him uninterested and bored with all that. It becomes tedious, knowing ahead what will happen. He finds that he hates his new "lucky" existence. When he asks why Heaven is boring, he finds out that he, instead, actually ended up in the place where bad people go (Hell).
Gladstone's only idea of self worth is his being given the title of "World's luckiest Duck (man). But that is not true self worth, as it comes from no accomplishment of his nor any good quality, but from arbitrary luck, which can be taken away from him at any time, for no reason. Therefore, he is a pathetic character, to be pitied, rather than hated (just because he is hero Donald's nemesis).
Naturally, Daisy always ends up with Donald, because he's a real person. She just uses Gladstone for the fun and excitement and material things his luck can bring her. He has no emotional comfort for her. She uses him mainly to make Donald jealous, and to have power over Donald, so she can eventually get what she wants from him.
I would like Gladstone to show some humanity and vulnerability and empathy for others. I would like to see him try to use his luck to help Donald, for a change. I have written some stories with such happenings, but have been advised that my editors probably wouldn't accept them because they think that the readers will only want to see Gladstone act as he always has.
Mr. M
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Message 45 -
2012-11-16 at 03:40:41
I always wonder about Gladstone's relation with HD&L.
In Barks stories they obviously hate him, some times almost as much as Donald. In Rosa stories they have somewhat sympathethic relation and are usually very nice to each other to the point they did comment on him abusing poor Donald in the second "Three Caballeros story" (then agian Donald being abuse and no body caring is almost Rosa trademark) One notable exeption was ofcoruse "Oolated Luck" which was a very early Rosa story...
In a way it shows HD&L as more mature than Donald. Gladstone woudn't care about teasing Donald if Donald didn't care about Gladstone's luck in the first place.
In fact the more I think about them is things appear to be in most Italian stories as well (well the modern ones any way) where HD&L and Gladstone relation is never antagonistic and he is usually very nice to them.
In one story Donald has to live somewhere and ask Gladstone to take care for them (I guess Grandma Duck where out of town and Scooge won't let Donald frame him into "Duck Tales" agian) The story was far from annything special, just Gladstone forcing himself to control his lucky charm so he can get whatever the boys need at the moment but it was cute just to see Gladstone hanging out with the kids as their "uncle for the week"...
HOWEVER - There is much more interesting story about Gladstone becoming a parent for a while (I belive it was drawn by Vicar but it wasn't his script) I read years ago which is another example of writers using Gladstone in a fresh way.
More or less the plot went like this :
Gladstone get envy of Donald having three kids who loves him (I belive it was Donald who pointed it out, sort of "Ha! I'm a better person becose I'm a parent, In your face" moment) He finds a year old girl, learns it's not easy to take care of a child like he expected but they form some cute relation, turns out some gangsters are after the girl, Donald get mix in the whole affair nadanadada Gladstone gaves the girl back to her parents but is happy that his luck let him know how it is to live with a kid. Hurrah!
All remember that this story shown Gladstone waaaay more human then usuall and well... it was sweet ;)
I must dig up this story today but my collage and job is so !$@$% time consuming and most of my duck-collection are spreed around the house , but maybe somebody here recall this one...
In Barks stories they obviously hate him, some times almost as much as Donald. In Rosa stories they have somewhat sympathethic relation and are usually very nice to each other to the point they did comment on him abusing poor Donald in the second "Three Caballeros story" (then agian Donald being abuse and no body caring is almost Rosa trademark) One notable exeption was ofcoruse "Oolated Luck" which was a very early Rosa story...
In a way it shows HD&L as more mature than Donald. Gladstone woudn't care about teasing Donald if Donald didn't care about Gladstone's luck in the first place.
In fact the more I think about them is things appear to be in most Italian stories as well (well the modern ones any way) where HD&L and Gladstone relation is never antagonistic and he is usually very nice to them.
In one story Donald has to live somewhere and ask Gladstone to take care for them (I guess Grandma Duck where out of town and Scooge won't let Donald frame him into "Duck Tales" agian) The story was far from annything special, just Gladstone forcing himself to control his lucky charm so he can get whatever the boys need at the moment but it was cute just to see Gladstone hanging out with the kids as their "uncle for the week"...
HOWEVER - There is much more interesting story about Gladstone becoming a parent for a while (I belive it was drawn by Vicar but it wasn't his script) I read years ago which is another example of writers using Gladstone in a fresh way.
More or less the plot went like this :
Gladstone get envy of Donald having three kids who loves him (I belive it was Donald who pointed it out, sort of "Ha! I'm a better person becose I'm a parent, In your face" moment) He finds a year old girl, learns it's not easy to take care of a child like he expected but they form some cute relation, turns out some gangsters are after the girl, Donald get mix in the whole affair nadanadada Gladstone gaves the girl back to her parents but is happy that his luck let him know how it is to live with a kid. Hurrah!
All remember that this story shown Gladstone waaaay more human then usuall and well... it was sweet ;)
I must dig up this story today but my collage and job is so !$@$% time consuming and most of my duck-collection are spreed around the house , but maybe somebody here recall this one...