Quote from user: Robb_KBut France, Spain, Italy, The Netherlands and Eastern Europe should add a significant amount of sales.
The Netherlands have tried to sell Barks collections, but it always ended in a failure. Up till now, there have been 3 series that are only about Barks.
1. "De Beste Verhalen van Donald Duck". ("Donald Duck's Best Stories") Started in 1975 and is with 134 issues coming to an end. The last stories added were Rosa's version of "The Pied Piper of Duckburg", Jippes's version, Jippes's "Music Hath Charms" and "The Lemonade King". Everything printed in color, and only the stories. So no oil paintings, no backstories, no original art, no inked pages, nothing.
2. "Alle Klassieke Verhalen van Carl Barks" ("All of Carl Barks' Classic Stories") Started in 1986 and ended in 1989. This time also covers, and bundled by year and in black/white. Only 6 issues were made before it went off-market, 1942-1944, 1945-1946, 1947-1948, 1948-1949, 1950-1951 and 1951-1952.
3. "Alle Klassieke Verhalen" ("All Classic Stories") After the second one didn't go well, they tried again with the same formula and it worked. All 17 issues came out in 1992.
By the way, that doesn't mean I don't want an English version with all the extra humbug included!
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Topic: Carl Barks Collection: buy or no buy?
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Dutch Duckfan Down Under
Carl Barks Collection: buy or no buy?
Message 31 -
2009-10-27 at 17:21:02
Robb_K
Carl Barks Collection: buy or no buy?
Message 32 -
2009-10-27 at 17:39:24
Quote from user: Dutch Duckfan Down UnderQuote from user: Robb_KBut France, Spain, Italy, The Netherlands and Eastern Europe should add a significant amount of sales.
The Netherlands have tried to sell Barks collections, but it always ended in a failure. Up till now, there have been 3 series that are only about Barks.
1. "De Beste Verhalen van Donald Duck". ("Donald Duck's Best Stories") Started in 1975 and is with 134 issues coming to an end. The last stories added were Rosa's version of "The Pied Piper of Duckburg", Jippes's version, Jippes's "Music Hath Charms" and "The Lemonade King". Everything printed in color, and only the stories. So no oil paintings, no backstories, no original art, no inked pages, nothing.
2. "Alle Klassieke Verhalen van Carl Barks" ("All of Carl Barks' Classic Stories") Started in 1986 and ended in 1989. This time also covers, and bundled by year and in black/white. Only 6 issues were made before it went off-market, 1942-1944, 1945-1946, 1947-1948, 1948-1949, 1950-1951 and 1951-1952.
3. "Alle Klassieke Verhalen" ("All Classic Stories") After the second one didn't go well, they tried again with the same formula and it worked. All 17 issues came out in 1992.
By the way, that doesn't mean I don't want an English version with all the extra humbug included!
Why is "De Beste Verhalen" a failure? If they dididn't sell enough issues, wouldn't they have stopped the series?
"Alle Klassieke Verhalen" is great, to see all Barks' work in black and white, to see how he inked lines. But, it would be nice to have all Carl Barks' stories and covers in colour, also in nice quality hardbound volumes. I'd settle for either a Dutch or English "Carl Barks Collection". I couldn't afford the money or shelf space to have both.
The Netherlands have tried to sell Barks collections, but it always ended in a failure. Up till now, there have been 3 series that are only about Barks.
1. "De Beste Verhalen van Donald Duck". ("Donald Duck's Best Stories") Started in 1975 and is with 134 issues coming to an end. The last stories added were Rosa's version of "The Pied Piper of Duckburg", Jippes's version, Jippes's "Music Hath Charms" and "The Lemonade King". Everything printed in color, and only the stories. So no oil paintings, no backstories, no original art, no inked pages, nothing.
2. "Alle Klassieke Verhalen van Carl Barks" ("All of Carl Barks' Classic Stories") Started in 1986 and ended in 1989. This time also covers, and bundled by year and in black/white. Only 6 issues were made before it went off-market, 1942-1944, 1945-1946, 1947-1948, 1948-1949, 1950-1951 and 1951-1952.
3. "Alle Klassieke Verhalen" ("All Classic Stories") After the second one didn't go well, they tried again with the same formula and it worked. All 17 issues came out in 1992.
By the way, that doesn't mean I don't want an English version with all the extra humbug included!
Why is "De Beste Verhalen" a failure? If they dididn't sell enough issues, wouldn't they have stopped the series?
"Alle Klassieke Verhalen" is great, to see all Barks' work in black and white, to see how he inked lines. But, it would be nice to have all Carl Barks' stories and covers in colour, also in nice quality hardbound volumes. I'd settle for either a Dutch or English "Carl Barks Collection". I couldn't afford the money or shelf space to have both.
Dutch Duckfan Down Under
Carl Barks Collection: buy or no buy?
Message 33 -
2009-10-27 at 19:14:52
Quote from user: Robb_KWhy is "De Beste Verhalen" a failure? If they dididn't sell enough issues, wouldn't they have stopped the series?
Allright, two-third of them has become a failure. And they did sell enough issues, 4 times per year. Only there isn't an infinite amount of Barks stories. Now they try to fill it up once a year with Jippes remakes and such.
Allright, two-third of them has become a failure. And they did sell enough issues, 4 times per year. Only there isn't an infinite amount of Barks stories. Now they try to fill it up once a year with Jippes remakes and such.
Robb_K
Carl Barks Collection: buy or no buy?
Message 34 -
2009-10-27 at 20:31:20
I have no problem with Daan Jippes' inked versions of Barks' non-photo blue scribbles of his Junior Woodchuck stories being included. Barks' scribbles are as good for following by the inker as a normal artist's final pencil drawings. Jippes stayed very true to Barks' lines, except for a few minor changes. It would be a shame to leave those drawings/stories out of an anthological Carl Barks series. Here is an half-page of Barks scribbles, inked by me: (I am a TERRIBLE inker). Yet, we can enjoy the Barks story. It is the same situation with Daan's work (but with better (more dynamic) inked lines. It is more enjoyable, -and also more enjoyable with inked lines and coloured panels, than had only black and white photocopies of Barks' scribbles been included (as in the USA "Carl Barks Library").
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By Rob_K at 2009-10-27
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By Rob_K at 2009-10-27
Coolwater
Carl Barks Collection: buy or no buy?
Message 35 -
2009-10-27 at 21:15:58
Quote from user: Robb_KI have no problem with Daan Jippes' inked versions of Barks' non-photo blue scribbles of his Junior Woodchuck stories being included. Barks' scribbles are as good for following by the inker as a normal artist's final pencil drawings. Jippes stayed very true to Barks' lines, except for a few minor changes. It would be a shame to leave those drawings/stories out of an anthological Carl Barks series.
Actually, the Carl Barks Collection presents of all Junior Woodchucks apocrypha the inked Jippes versions, but provides of only two of them Barks's original raw drawings, as an exemplary selection, as they say in the comment.
Since they're almost (and rightly) obsessive to present and document every scratch of a pen Barks made in his life on every little piece of paper, there is not really a good editorial justification to leave out Barks's raw drawings of the late Junior Woodchuck stories in grand scale! And with respect to all the other late stories where Barks only made raw drawings (e. g. "King Scrooge the First"), they give them in Barks's raw version as well as in a finished-inked Jippes version.
The only explanation I have for all this is that the nice harmony of exactly 30 books in the same size, fitting perfectly into 10 boxes, would have been unhinged if all the Junior Woodchuck stories would have been presented twice. But this "problem" could have been mildened quite well, I guess, if they had not used one whole of their precious pages for every page of such a raw story, but if they had presented four raw pages on only one page in the books. This is in fact how it was done in the additional Junior Woodchuck albums of the German "Barks Library" (the US equivalent, the "Carl Barks Library in Color", left out the Woodchuck material) where all raw versions of Barks have been presented (as inked versions, however, these albums had largely the stuff of Strobl, Wright & Co.), and with four raw pages on one page everything can still be viewed well enough.
The (unexcusable) lack of Barks's original Junior Woodchuck raw material is indeed the greatest disadvantage of the new Carl Barks Collection in comparison to the older German Barks Library. For a hardcore Barksist here who has got the "Collection" but not the "Library" it is a must to own at least the seven Junior Woodchuck albums ...
Actually, the Carl Barks Collection presents of all Junior Woodchucks apocrypha the inked Jippes versions, but provides of only two of them Barks's original raw drawings, as an exemplary selection, as they say in the comment.
Since they're almost (and rightly) obsessive to present and document every scratch of a pen Barks made in his life on every little piece of paper, there is not really a good editorial justification to leave out Barks's raw drawings of the late Junior Woodchuck stories in grand scale! And with respect to all the other late stories where Barks only made raw drawings (e. g. "King Scrooge the First"), they give them in Barks's raw version as well as in a finished-inked Jippes version.
The only explanation I have for all this is that the nice harmony of exactly 30 books in the same size, fitting perfectly into 10 boxes, would have been unhinged if all the Junior Woodchuck stories would have been presented twice. But this "problem" could have been mildened quite well, I guess, if they had not used one whole of their precious pages for every page of such a raw story, but if they had presented four raw pages on only one page in the books. This is in fact how it was done in the additional Junior Woodchuck albums of the German "Barks Library" (the US equivalent, the "Carl Barks Library in Color", left out the Woodchuck material) where all raw versions of Barks have been presented (as inked versions, however, these albums had largely the stuff of Strobl, Wright & Co.), and with four raw pages on one page everything can still be viewed well enough.
The (unexcusable) lack of Barks's original Junior Woodchuck raw material is indeed the greatest disadvantage of the new Carl Barks Collection in comparison to the older German Barks Library. For a hardcore Barksist here who has got the "Collection" but not the "Library" it is a must to own at least the seven Junior Woodchuck albums ...
Robb_K
Carl Barks Collection: buy or no buy?
Message 36 -
2009-10-28 at 02:51:36
I agree that "The Carl Barks Collection" should include BOTH the rough scribbles of Barks' Jr. Woodchucks stories, as well as Daan Jippes' finished versions (and also Mau Heymans' version of "Music Hath Charms"). I hope the Dutch and/or English versions contain both. But I think that Barks' scribbles shouldn't be more than 2 pages to a "Collection page". I hope the Dutch and English versions will also have equivalent numbers of extra articles' pages to those of The Scandinavian countries and Germany, and I can get my article printed in those, as well. I've been waiting for a high quality hard-bound colour set of ALL of Barks' work to be printed in one of my languages for over 45 years. I have access to The German set in our studio, but my German isn't good enough that I'd enjoy the stories the way I should, So, I must still wait.
Is the American set that was "announced as a future publication" by Gemstone now canceled? Or has Boom! taken over that project?
Is the American set that was "announced as a future publication" by Gemstone now canceled? Or has Boom! taken over that project?
Charlie Brown
Carl Barks Collection: buy or no buy?
Message 37 -
2009-10-28 at 09:06:24
Quote from user: Robb_KIs the American set that was "announced as a future publication" by Gemstone now canceled? Or has Boom! taken over that project?
I think the one by Gemstone is canceled. All pre-order pages are gone. Let's hope that BOOM! or someone else (Egmont?) brings us the English Carl Barks Collection soon.
My credit card and bookshelf are ready ;)
I think the one by Gemstone is canceled. All pre-order pages are gone. Let's hope that BOOM! or someone else (Egmont?) brings us the English Carl Barks Collection soon.
My credit card and bookshelf are ready ;)
Hedberg
Carl Barks Collection: buy or no buy?
Message 38 -
2011-06-10 at 04:03:20
Rumors will know that the Norwegian extra-edition of CBCW has gone to layout and repro.
The delay seems to be the fact that Geoff Blum kept getting better and better sources of Barks' oilpaintings - an excuse I find most excusable !
The delay seems to be the fact that Geoff Blum kept getting better and better sources of Barks' oilpaintings - an excuse I find most excusable !
Charlie Brown
Carl Barks Collection: buy or no buy?
Message 39 -
2011-06-10 at 04:29:49
What will be part of the extra-edition? Barks oil painting only?
Hedberg
Carl Barks Collection: buy or no buy?
Message 40 -
2011-06-10 at 16:11:59
Yes, but this time ALL of them - and as it seems, in much better reproduction...