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Topic: What if Brer Rabbit became a father and have some kids...

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Baar Baar Jinx
Quote from user: ramapithMorty and Ferdie's mom, only ever officially called "Mrs. Fieldmouse" in English, has been in a number of stories as an active character; Mickey's nephews quite plainly live with her when they're not staying with him, and it's treated as ordinary.
Maybe Gottfredson's old-crone "Mrs. Fieldmouse" is actually Mickey's sister's mother-in-law, the mother of the boys' father, and thus their grandmother? "My boys" could refer to grandsons as easily as sons. It would explain why she's so much older than Mickey and why he refers to her as "Mrs. Fieldmouse".

http://i.imgur.com/PmvX0oh.jpg

Has Morty and Ferdie's father ever made an appearance? Unlike Della, there is no doubt that Felicity is married (she has a different last name and is referred to as "Mrs."). Is their father alive, or is Felicity a widow?
Roger North
That is an interesting question. It is unknown if Morty and Ferdie's father is still alive. The identity of their father is unknown just like Huey Dewey and Louie's father. A lot of Disney Character kids have single parents or other types of guardians.
Thomps2525
So Mrs. Fieldmouse's is not Oswald's half-sister? Golly gee, could it be possible that not every bit of information on the World Wide Web is accurate? I'm shocked! Actually, under another name, I write a radio column for a fanzine and a radio website and, in the process of doing online research, I have had to make a lot of corrections to error-riddled Wikipedia pages. There is a website called Answers.com and I have no idea of 100% of the "answers" are correct...but in response to a question, Varsenik Wilson (?) says that Morty and Ferdie's father has never appeared in a comic but Egmont Publishing refers to him in-house as Frank.
I also discovered that Ferdie was once named Monty. Morty and "Monty" first appeared in Grossett & Dunlap's 1936 Donald Duck hardcover book.
https://www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=341061
Nectaria
Quote from user: Thomps2525So Mrs. Fieldmouse's is not Oswald's half-sister? Golly gee, could it be possible that not every bit of information on the World Wide Web is accurate? I'm shocked! Actually, under another name, I write a radio column for a fanzine and a radio website and, in the process of doing online research, I have had to make a lot of corrections to error-riddled Wikipedia pages. There is a website called Answers.com and I have no idea of 100% of the "answers" are correct...but in response to a question, Varsenik Wilson (?) says that Morty and Ferdie's father has never appeared in a comic but Egmont Publishing refers to him in-house as Frank.

I also discovered that Ferdie was once named Monty. Morty and "Monty" first appeared in Grossett & Dunlap's 1936 Donald Duck hardcover book.

https://www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=341061


Sometimes, some characters can have different names in some books. Maybe "Monty" must be another alternative name of Ferdie. I heard that both Clarabelle Cow and Horace Horsecollar were called "Carolyn Cow" and "Henry Horse" in some british books from 30's according to David Gerstein in this report from CoAzilla.
Nectaria
Sorry for the double posting but do you think Li'l Bad Wolf's mother is alive or is she dead? Some fans said that Goofy's wife died in a car accident or something like that but it isn't like more like a theory? I'm not sure if there is really an episode of Goof Troop where it mentioned about her death. In the French Wolf series, Big Bad Wolf has a girlfriend named Marie-Loup but she is not BW's wife or LW's mother.
Thomps2525
The Three Little Pigs folk story is believed to date from around 1820. The first published versions appeared in the 1840s. Three pigs each made a house, one of straw, one of wood and one of brick. The wolf blew down the first two houses and ate the pigs. Failing to blow down the brick house, he went down the chimney but fell into a pot of boiling water and the third pig ate him. In the 1933 Disney cartoon, nobody was eaten. Li'l Bad Wolf made his debut in Walt Disney's Comics & Stories #52 in 1945. Michael Pilgaard's WeirdSpace website says the character was created by Chase Craig and Carl Buettner. Li'l Bad Wolf's mother is not named; his relatives are shown as:

Zeke Wolf (father)
Grandpa Wolf (grandfather)
Grandma Wolf (grandmother)
Red Minna (aunt)
Stef/Zeb Wolf (uncle)
Izzy Wolf (cousin)
Bigger Badder Woolf (great uncle)
Rip Van Wolf (uncle)
Terror (great uncle)
Terrible (great aunt)

In some of the Dell comics, Zeke had a middle name: Midas.

http://www.weirdspace.dk/Disney/LilBadWolf.htm
Robb_K
I think I remember a Goofy cartoon from the 1940s, in which Goofy was a suburbanite, with a wife and a son.
Nectaria
Quote from user: Thomps2525The Three Little Pigs folk story is believed to date from around 1820. The first published versions appeared in the 1840s. Three pigs each made a house, one of straw, one of wood and one of brick. The wolf blew down the first two houses and ate the pigs. Failing to blow down the brick house, he went down the chimney but fell into a pot of boiling water and the third pig ate him. In the 1933 Disney cartoon, nobody was eaten. Li'l Bad Wolf made his debut in Walt Disney's Comics & Stories #52 in 1945. Michael Pilgaard's WeirdSpace website says the character was created by Chase Craig and Carl Buettner. Li'l Bad Wolf's mother is not named; his relatives are shown as:

Zeke Wolf (father)
Grandpa Wolf (grandfather)
Grandma Wolf (grandmother)
Red Minna (aunt)
Stef/Zeb Wolf (uncle)
Izzy Wolf (cousin)
Bigger Badder Woolf (great uncle)
Rip Van Wolf (uncle)
Terror (great uncle)
Terrible (great aunt)

In some of the Dell comics, Zeke had a middle name: Midas.

http://www.weirdspace.dk/Disney/LilBadWolf.htm

Yes, I know that he have those relatives and that Big Bad Wolf/Zeke have a middle name but I'm always wondering if Li'l Bad Wolf's mother was mentioned or appeared in a story. I wonder what happened to her? It's unknown but maybe she is alive instead of dying.
Nectaria
Quote from user: Robb_KI think I remember a Goofy cartoon from the 1940s, in which Goofy was a suburbanite, with a wife and a son.
This is the same short series where Goofy have a son named Goofy Jr. (aka the prototype Max) and a wife and those shorts are the only cartoon appearance of his wife. We never saw her appearing in Goof Troop or other cartoons. Some fans said that the wife was Glory-Bee or Penny from the Minnie 'n Me series but it's unknown if "Mrs. Goofy/Mrs. Geef" and Glory-Bee or Penny are the same characters.
Thomps2525
Most everyone is familiar with Robert Louis Stevenson's novella The Strange Case Of Dr. Jekyll & Mister Hyde. The first cartoon showing Goofy as a "suburbanite" was Motor Mania, a 1950 Jekyll-&-Hyde story in which he is the pleasant easy-going Mr. Walker until he gets behind the wheel of a car and becomes the aggressive hot-tempered Mr. Wheeler. No wife or son is shown in this one. Goofy's ears and buck teeth are not shown either---the character had been re-designed. The short can be seen at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk-c5jlk48s
Goofy's son ("Junior") and wife debut in Fathers Are People (1951) but the wife's face is not shown. However, Goofy once again has ears! This short can be seen at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub5bwufUQIU
Baar Baar Jinx
Quote from user: NectariaThis is the same short series where Goofy have a son named Goofy Jr. (aka the prototype Max) and a wife and those shorts are the only cartoon appe arance of his wife. We never saw her appearing in Goof Troop or other cartoons. Some fans said that the wife was Glory-Bee or Penny from the Minnie 'n Me series but it's unknown if "Mrs. Goofy/Mrs. Geef" and Glory-Bee or Penny are the same characters.
I've always wondered whether Goof Troop wasn't inspired by the 1987 Hanna-Barbera series, Popeye and Son. The two shows have a very similar premise, with old rivals from classic cartoons settling down into an uneasy truce as suburban neighbors whose families become entangled with one another, antagonistically in Popeye's case, on a friendlier basis in Goofy's. And neither show seems to have survived into its universe's respective canon (although some would argue that Max is part of the official Disney universe, while Goof Troop's used-car salesman version of Pete and his son PJ aren't).
Thomps2525
In the 1940 short Wimmin Is A Myskery, Popeye dreamed that he had four nephews. Two years later, it turned out that Popeye really did have four nephews. The 1942 short was titled Pip-eye, Pup-eye, Poop-eye an' Peep-eye. Those were the names of the four kids, although there was no Poop-Eye in the first cartoon. The character was named Pep-eye. The names were sometimes spelled with hyphens and sometimes without hyphens. Eventually there were only three nephews. The disappearance of the fourth one was never explained.
I always thought Goof Troop was inspired by the 1953 Donald Duck short The New Neighbor and "the old spite fence":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uE73_FTF0c
Nectaria
Quote from user: Thomps2525Goofy's son ("Junior") and wife debut in Fathers Are People (1951) but the wife's face is not shown. However, Goofy once again has ears! This short can be seen at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub5bwufUQIU


Yes, I know that Goofy Jr. and Mrs. Geef/Mrs. Goof debuted in this short and that we never saw what Mrs. Goof's face look like but maybe her face looked similar to Goofy's.

Quote from user: Baar Baar JinxI've always wondered whether Goof Troop wasn't inspired by the 1987 Hanna-Barbera series, Popeye and Son. The two shows have a very similar premise, with old rivals from classic cartoons settling down into an uneasy truce as suburban neighbors whose families become entangled with one another, antagonistically in Popeye's case, on a friendlier basis in Goofy's. And neither show seems to have survived into its universe's respective canon (although some would argue that Max is part of the official Disney universe, while Goof Troop's used-car salesman version of Pete and his son PJ aren't).
Well, I have seen both of those shows and I have seen some similarities like both Popeye and Goofy have their own sons. Now, Imagine if they make a comic series about Brer Rabbit having his own children/son/daughter and have a plot similar to Goof Troop or Popeye and Son or other series where a character have a child or childrens. I was always thinking that the French Wolf/P'tit Loup series was like a Forest version of Goof Troop.
Nectaria
Quote from user: Thomps2525In the 1940 short Wimmin Is A Myskery, Popeye dreamed that he had four nephews. Two years later, it turned out that Popeye really did have four nephews. The 1942 short was titled Pip-eye, Pup-eye, Poop-eye an' Peep-eye. Those were the names of the four kids, although there was no Poop-Eye in the first cartoon. The character was named Pep-eye. The names were sometimes spelled with hyphens and sometimes without hyphens. Eventually there were only three nephews. The disappearance of the fourth one was never explained.

I always thought Goof Troop was inspired by the 1953 Donald Duck short The New Neighbor and "the old spite fence":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uE73_FTF0c

It's interesting to hear that Popeye is another character who have some nephews! Maybe the mystery of Popeye's fourth nephew is similar to Phooey, right? Phooey was more like an error than an actual character.

Your comparison between The New Neighbor and Goof Troop is not that bad! The only similarities between those two cartoons is that both featured Pete as a neighbor and have some Goofy-like people in it. This short was more like "Goof Troop + Quack Pack" to me.
Baar Baar Jinx
Quote from user: Thomps2525In the 1940 short Wimmin Is A Myskery, Popeye dreamed that he had four nephews. Two years later, it turned out that Popeye really did have four nephews. The 1942 short was titled Pip-eye, Pup-eye, Poop-eye an' Peep-eye. Those were the names of the four kids, although there was no Poop-Eye in the first cartoon. The character was named Pep-eye. The names were sometimes spelled with hyphens and sometimes without hyphens. Eventually there were only three nephews. The disappearance of the fourth one was never explained.
Actually, the four nephews were initially introduced as the children of Olive and Popeye in a dream sequence in Wimmin Is A Myskery, but I guess they were considered such good characters that they deserved a more resilient role and were reintroduced as Popeye's nephews two years later. Their numbers dwindled from four, to three, down to two, with no explanation (somewhat similar to how Ferdie was written out of the Gottfredson continuity). The often testy relationship between Popeye and his nephews was clearly modeled on the one between Donald and HD&L in contemporary Disney shorts ... not surprising, since Disney shorts and Popeye cartoons (produced by various studios) were in constant competition for audiences in those days.

Quote from user: Thomps2525I always thought Goof Troop was inspired by the 1953 Donald Duck short The New Neighbor and "the old spite fence"
And I always wondered if that short wasn't, in turn, inspired by the Barks Neighbor Jones ten-pagers. If your theory is correct, then Goof Troop has a link (tenuous and indirect as it may be) to the Barks universe as well!

It's a shame Neighbor Jones has never been animated. He could have easily found his way into a few Quack Pack storylines or even the new Mickey Mouse shorts.
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