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Topic: The Orb Saga has been uploaded

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Roger North
It doesn't Matter Because that website doesn't exist anymore anyway.
Lars Jensen
Quote from user: Roger NorthHey Everyone. Guess What The Orb Saga has been uploaded. It's on XXX's Disney Comics Fan Page. I read it and it was not as good as Mythos Island but it is pretty good for what it is. If you haven't read it yet but you like Donald and Mickey Crossover Stories then this is something you might enjoy. You might want to check it out.
And you might even want to pay for it, by instead buying a copy of the issues where the story was printed.

Roger, for the umpteenth time: please don't refer to illegal scans. Yes, they are illegal. And XXX is a thief.

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Bence
Quote from user: Lars Jensen. Yes, they are illegal.
Illegal? Well it depends where you live...
Lars Jensen
Quote from user: BenceQuote from user: Lars JensenYes, they are illegal.
Illegal? Well it depends where you live...

It boils down to this: is there something inherently wrong in depriving people of their rightful income? I think there is.
Joakim Gunnarsson
I agree with Lars.
By reading the Disney Comics for free on the net instead of buying them you are making it harder for the publishers to make a profit on the comic books. If they don't make a profit, they can't order as many new stories and the creators will suffer.
As will you, since the publishers can't afford to produce as many new stories. And then we'll get more reprints of the same old stories over and over again.
(And don't give me the bla-ha about how free comics generates new readers, who will buy more comic books. Why should they, when thieves have uploaded them for free on the net?)
Dia-Dia
Quote from user: Joakim Gunnarsson(And don't give me the bla-ha about how free comics generates new readers, who will buy more comic books. Why should they, when thieves have uploaded them for free on the net?)
Funny, this was exactly the argument I was about to make. Why should anyone not, I repeat, not, prefer to have a book in its hands instead of watching a screen?
Joxer96
Quote from user: Dia-DiaQuote from user: Joakim Gunnarsson(And don't give me the bla-ha about how free comics generates new readers, who will buy more comic books. Why should they, when thieves have uploaded them for free on the net?)
Funny, this was exactly the argument I was about to make. Why should anyone not, I repeat, not, prefer to have a book in its hands instead of watching a screen?

I never thought I'd say this, but I enjoy reading comics on my iPad much more than the paper versions. Yes, I have digital copies of all the paper copies I own. And no, I don't pirate anything I haven't purchased in paper form. It's very convenient having a couple hundred of my comics with me at anytime, plus I really enjoy reading with the lights off in bed at night. My wife appreciates it too. :)
Joakim Gunnarsson
Quote from user: Dia-DiaFunny, this was exactly the argument I was about to make. Why should anyone not, I repeat, not, prefer to have a book in its hands instead of watching a screen?
I have read lots of comics on the net or downloaded versions.
(Legal stuff I might add. Mostly old and rare comic books where the copyright have expired. Stuff that's never likely to be reprinted.)
I'm quite satisfied with having them in digital form instead of paying $$$ for old 1940's comic books. Takes up less space in an already crowded library. :)
Roger North
I never thought of it that way but some issues aren't available for buying anymore. The Gemstone issues are no longer available except for on Amazon.com and it's hard to get them. I won't announce any more updates to XXX's Disney Comics Page but it is a good website for people who can't buy the actual comic books and there are a lot of who don't get to buy them because they can't find a place that sells them or can't afford to subscribe.
Kneon
Funny. I actually colored (or recolored) many of those pages.
And that's the first time I was able to actually read the story. (I was generally sent pages with the text wiped out.)
I'm pretty sure Gemstone and/or Disney were well aware of XXX's site while I worked for Gemstone, but never chose to take legal action. Couldn't tell you why not.
That being said... XXX hosts ALL of Barks' and Rosa's duck stories. That HAS to hurt reprint sales.
GeoX
Doesn't seem like there's much doubt that XXX's site is legally dubious at best, but "thief" seems highly contentious. I suppose it's possible that you could make some abstract set of links that demonstrate that he's costing someone somewhere money, but given that almost everything he posts is long out-of-print in its native language, I can't see much harm (if it were there when Gemstone was still in business, that might have been a slightly different story). And frankly, I'm glad in principle that such important literary artifacts are freely available.
That said, I mainly just use his site to fact-check and occasionally to grab scans for my blog; I would MUCH rather actually *read* comics on paper, which is why I've spent a small fortune on stories that I could easily have read for free.
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Mcduck_Enterprises
Quote from user: Lars JensenRoger, for the umpteenth time: please don't refer to illegal scans. Yes, they are illegal. And XXX is a thief.
Do you have proof of this?

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Rodney
Sometimes, it's easier to look up the story on the web than to go digging through the boxes for the issue that I actually did pay for. Or even better than looking the story up on the web, just put in the DVD of scans.
Nothing beats reading the real comic book, but in a bind, I have no issues with this.
Lars Jensen
Quote from user: Roger NorthI never thought of it that way but some issues aren't available for buying anymore. The Gemstone issues are no longer available except for on Amazon.com and it's hard to get them. I won't announce any more updates to XXX's Disney Comics Page but it is a good website for people who can't buy the actual comic books and there are a lot of who don't get to buy them because they can't find a place that sells them or can't afford to subscribe.
There are lots of things I can't afford to buy. That doesn't mean it's OK for me to take them without paying.

Quote from user: GeoXDoesn't seem like there's much doubt that XXX's site is legally dubious at best, but "thief" seems highly contentious. I suppose it's possible that you could make some abstract set of links that demonstrate that he's costing someone somewhere money, but given that almost everything he posts is long out-of-print in its native language, I can't see much harm (if it were there when Gemstone was still in business, that might have been a slightly different story).
The site was indeed up while Gemstone was publishing. I know of somebody who stopped buying Gemstone books because he/she could read the Barks and Rosa stories for free at that site and didn't want to pay full price for half an issue of non-Rosa/non-Barks material.

And I'm really surprised you don't see why this kind of piracy is wrong.

Let's go back to 1990 when Don Rosa wrote his first story for Egmont. Imagine if, when Don delivered the story, Egmont had unapologetically told him: "We've decided to pay you less than you thought you were going to get." Do you really think Don would continue making stories for Egmont?

And yes, that's the same situation pirates and their readers are putting Egmont and other comics producers in. The producers make these stories based on how much they believe they will earn on their comic books. When they earn less than they thought they would, they will respond by producing fewer new stories.

Quote from user: GeoXAnd frankly, I'm glad in principle that such important literary artifacts are freely available.
They are freely available. Just go into any comic book shop (or wherever those things used to be sold in the US) and rummage through their stacks of old Disney comics. Or go onto eBay.

Quote from user: Mcduck_EnterprisesQuote from user: Lars JensenRoger, for the umpteenth time: please don't refer to illegal scans. Yes, they are illegal. And XXX is a thief.
Do you have proof of this?

Are you in all seriousness asking me whether I have proof "XXX" hasn't bought a Disney license?!?

Don't bother replying.
GeoX
Quote from user: Lars JensenThey are freely available. Just go into any comic book shop (or wherever those things used to be sold in the US) and rummage through their stacks of old Disney comics. Or go onto eBay.
Okay. But even if you somehow COULD obtain a complete collection this way (very doubtful indeed), doing so would benefit creators and publishers...how, exactly?
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