Andrew:
> Anyway, I thought i would comment on LO$4, since no-one else seems to be
> doing so.
I bought the USA version last tuesday. I already read the Dutch version, and
there's not much difference (except colouring and one translation error).
> Here is a review from rec.arts.comics.info:
>
> Uncle $crooge #288, Gladstone, $1.50
> THE LIFE AND TIMES OF $CROOGE McDUCK - part four:
> 'THE RIDER OF THE COPPER HILL'
Actually, it should be RAIDER, not RIDER. And the title in the story is
"Raider of the Copper Hill", without the first "The". Don once said all his
Lo$ stories carry titles like "The .. of the ..", so this title could
be an error of the letterer?
--Harry.
Author
Topic: 199408
(88 messages)
Harry Fluks
LO$ 4
Message 31 -
1994-08-18 at 14:14:22
Knut Hunstad
Disney-comics digest #407.
Message 32 -
1994-08-18 at 14:23:57
Hi everyone!
<lot's of things deleted from included message>
> So, now I'm curious -- is there any interest here in what
>happens to the "Rescue Rangers" or in a "Tale Spin" comic book? Was an
>important topic missed by not discussing Disney TV comics on the San
>Diego panel?
I _do_ have an interest in what happens in "Rescue Rangers" and "Tale Spin".
The reason beeing that I am disappointed to an undescribable degree about
Disney throwing overboard all the high standards for first class
entertainment and jumping unto the "Sky Channel"-style comics with:
- Total overload of images. No time to enjoy any scene before the next one
comes jumping up. Same thing as we see in the typical music video.
- Total neglect of the characters previous history. It breaks my heart to
see Baloo in his new role, beeing reduced from that wonderful, relaxed bear
to a modern, busy pilot.
It's scary to think about this beeing the introduction the next generation
will get into the "Wonderful world of Disney"! I was disappointed already
when I saw my first "Gummi Bears" episode several years ago. I couldn't
believe it was Disney. But that series at least lived it's own life with new
characters. When they suddenly started misusing their old characters in the
same way I was really shocked.
I hate to conclude that I won't ever be able to say to anyone again that
bying a comic video with the name Disney on it is a sure sign of quality!
As you probably have seen by now, this has been a topic I have been dying to
say my opinion about for a long time. Please note that I _do_ realize that
the new style has it's fans, too, I just am not able to consider this the
same quality entertainment as Disney's classic animated features or Bark's
comic stories.
Knut Hunstad
Trondheim, Norway
<lot's of things deleted from included message>
> So, now I'm curious -- is there any interest here in what
>happens to the "Rescue Rangers" or in a "Tale Spin" comic book? Was an
>important topic missed by not discussing Disney TV comics on the San
>Diego panel?
I _do_ have an interest in what happens in "Rescue Rangers" and "Tale Spin".
The reason beeing that I am disappointed to an undescribable degree about
Disney throwing overboard all the high standards for first class
entertainment and jumping unto the "Sky Channel"-style comics with:
- Total overload of images. No time to enjoy any scene before the next one
comes jumping up. Same thing as we see in the typical music video.
- Total neglect of the characters previous history. It breaks my heart to
see Baloo in his new role, beeing reduced from that wonderful, relaxed bear
to a modern, busy pilot.
It's scary to think about this beeing the introduction the next generation
will get into the "Wonderful world of Disney"! I was disappointed already
when I saw my first "Gummi Bears" episode several years ago. I couldn't
believe it was Disney. But that series at least lived it's own life with new
characters. When they suddenly started misusing their old characters in the
same way I was really shocked.
I hate to conclude that I won't ever be able to say to anyone again that
bying a comic video with the name Disney on it is a sure sign of quality!
As you probably have seen by now, this has been a topic I have been dying to
say my opinion about for a long time. Please note that I _do_ realize that
the new style has it's fans, too, I just am not able to consider this the
same quality entertainment as Disney's classic animated features or Bark's
comic stories.
Knut Hunstad
Trondheim, Norway
Mattias Hallin
Four Days Off-Topic in the U.S.
Message 33 -
1994-08-18 at 18:09:02
DON!
But of course I shall tel| you all about it -- the fact I haven't as yet is
mainly due to the combined efforts of severe jet-lag and going back to work;
basically I've spent all my waking hours fast asleep since I got back! Or, well,
rather: when not at work, I've been sleeping practically around the clock since
Sunday afternoon.
(And to the list: well, I hope you will forgive this off-topic posting; but
since Don asked for it here, I guess I'll post it here, too.)
So! Now that I'm finally awake...
First my own and Klas' thanks to you and Ann for having us as guests! We both
enjoyed it very much!
And also -- you were quite wrong: Kentucky proved a most interesting place to
visit, even not considering it's resident Duck-artist. From your place we went
to Bardstown (I think it's called), which was quite pretty, and also had a
well-stocked, brochure-wise, visitor's center, and the nice-to-look-at Talbot
Inn, which I think dates back to 1779, where we had lunch (standard fare, but
edible enough). From there we went to the Maker's Mark distillery ('bout 18
miles further south) which I think was a wise choice, since it's a very small
distillery, bent on quality rather than quantity. They had a free tour ('twas
good), the place was interesting to see, and their bourbon quite excellent
(though by necessity of law purchased later on, in Lebanon).
So from there, by way of Lebanon, we went to see the Perryville battlefield,
which Klas quite enjoyed; and though of course it does not compare to the major
Civil War battlefield NHSs, the small museum was good enough, and one was able
by leap of imagination to get a grasp of what must have happened there. In
Perryville, which BTW has quite a number of buildings left that stood there
already during the Civil War, we had some quite good and very inexpensive dinner
at the local Greasy Spoon; where Klas got to try grits. I'm not sure he'll do
*that* again, though -- I think he found it a mite dull...
Thence we drove on eastwards, heading for the Daniel Boone Nat'l Park, or at
least the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains. And I can add here that the
entire drive, all the way from Dawson Hill Road, varied between quite scenic and
*very* scenic.
After passing through Richmond, KY, we started looking for a town small enough
to have a downtown-or-nearly-so located Motel *and* a bar; but bad luck dogged
us, and every town promising motel-wise proved to be smack in a dry county; and
as night fell and the towns got smaller and fewer, we finally gave up on the
bar-thing, and settled for the night at the "Li'l Abner Motel" in Slade, just
off the Natural Bridge State Park, in between Stanton and Clampton.
Well, we'd planned to spend the entire Thursday exploring the State Park, but
when we came out to the car that morning, we had a flat! So we called the rental
agency, and they told us we had to get an identical tire on, and after some
phone-calls we went to Stanton, 10 miles down, on the emergency wheel, and spent
three hours at Witt's Sunoco, while Mr. Witt went to the nearest town big enough
to have the right brand of tire, which took him 'bout two and a half hours, and
then changed the tires, which took his grease-jockey all of fifteen minutes!
Anyway, we finally got to spend at least the afternoon hiking in the Natural
Bridge park, which was *gorgeous*, and then started heading north on state and
county roads, until we got to Maysville, where we crossed over into Ohio, and
headed north on US 68.
We stayed the night in a small town that I can't recall the name of, but which
was most famous for having the first concrete pavement in the U.S. already in
1891 or something; and then Friday morning went on to Toledo, where we met some
musicians we'd gotten to know in Davenport, and sat in with them at a local bar
that night, and generally had a good time.
Saturday, we just drove into Chicago and flew back home...
But I'd like to tell you again that both Klas and I were real glad we'd made it
to Kentucky, and we quite agreed that it was a pity we had so little time, both
to visit you and Ann, and to just drive around Kentucky. Actually, not least
Klas appreciated the fact that Northeastern Kentucky was settled already in the
18th century, and that there seemed to be quite a few places of historical
interest -- there was several we'd have wanted to look at, but never really had
the time for... Also, the landscape and the small towns were quite nice to look
at more often than not, and from what we saw and experienced of it all, I think
we'd have like to explore Kentucky more.
Once more -- thanks you, and give our regards to Ann! And if you're ever 'round
over here, and have some spare time, just give me a call!
All my best!
Mattias
**** Mattias Hallin ** Lund * Sweden ** <Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se> ****
* *
* "Oh bury me thar! With my battered git-tar! *
************** A-screamin' my heart out fer yew!" *************
But of course I shall tel| you all about it -- the fact I haven't as yet is
mainly due to the combined efforts of severe jet-lag and going back to work;
basically I've spent all my waking hours fast asleep since I got back! Or, well,
rather: when not at work, I've been sleeping practically around the clock since
Sunday afternoon.
(And to the list: well, I hope you will forgive this off-topic posting; but
since Don asked for it here, I guess I'll post it here, too.)
So! Now that I'm finally awake...
First my own and Klas' thanks to you and Ann for having us as guests! We both
enjoyed it very much!
And also -- you were quite wrong: Kentucky proved a most interesting place to
visit, even not considering it's resident Duck-artist. From your place we went
to Bardstown (I think it's called), which was quite pretty, and also had a
well-stocked, brochure-wise, visitor's center, and the nice-to-look-at Talbot
Inn, which I think dates back to 1779, where we had lunch (standard fare, but
edible enough). From there we went to the Maker's Mark distillery ('bout 18
miles further south) which I think was a wise choice, since it's a very small
distillery, bent on quality rather than quantity. They had a free tour ('twas
good), the place was interesting to see, and their bourbon quite excellent
(though by necessity of law purchased later on, in Lebanon).
So from there, by way of Lebanon, we went to see the Perryville battlefield,
which Klas quite enjoyed; and though of course it does not compare to the major
Civil War battlefield NHSs, the small museum was good enough, and one was able
by leap of imagination to get a grasp of what must have happened there. In
Perryville, which BTW has quite a number of buildings left that stood there
already during the Civil War, we had some quite good and very inexpensive dinner
at the local Greasy Spoon; where Klas got to try grits. I'm not sure he'll do
*that* again, though -- I think he found it a mite dull...
Thence we drove on eastwards, heading for the Daniel Boone Nat'l Park, or at
least the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains. And I can add here that the
entire drive, all the way from Dawson Hill Road, varied between quite scenic and
*very* scenic.
After passing through Richmond, KY, we started looking for a town small enough
to have a downtown-or-nearly-so located Motel *and* a bar; but bad luck dogged
us, and every town promising motel-wise proved to be smack in a dry county; and
as night fell and the towns got smaller and fewer, we finally gave up on the
bar-thing, and settled for the night at the "Li'l Abner Motel" in Slade, just
off the Natural Bridge State Park, in between Stanton and Clampton.
Well, we'd planned to spend the entire Thursday exploring the State Park, but
when we came out to the car that morning, we had a flat! So we called the rental
agency, and they told us we had to get an identical tire on, and after some
phone-calls we went to Stanton, 10 miles down, on the emergency wheel, and spent
three hours at Witt's Sunoco, while Mr. Witt went to the nearest town big enough
to have the right brand of tire, which took him 'bout two and a half hours, and
then changed the tires, which took his grease-jockey all of fifteen minutes!
Anyway, we finally got to spend at least the afternoon hiking in the Natural
Bridge park, which was *gorgeous*, and then started heading north on state and
county roads, until we got to Maysville, where we crossed over into Ohio, and
headed north on US 68.
We stayed the night in a small town that I can't recall the name of, but which
was most famous for having the first concrete pavement in the U.S. already in
1891 or something; and then Friday morning went on to Toledo, where we met some
musicians we'd gotten to know in Davenport, and sat in with them at a local bar
that night, and generally had a good time.
Saturday, we just drove into Chicago and flew back home...
But I'd like to tell you again that both Klas and I were real glad we'd made it
to Kentucky, and we quite agreed that it was a pity we had so little time, both
to visit you and Ann, and to just drive around Kentucky. Actually, not least
Klas appreciated the fact that Northeastern Kentucky was settled already in the
18th century, and that there seemed to be quite a few places of historical
interest -- there was several we'd have wanted to look at, but never really had
the time for... Also, the landscape and the small towns were quite nice to look
at more often than not, and from what we saw and experienced of it all, I think
we'd have like to explore Kentucky more.
Once more -- thanks you, and give our regards to Ann! And if you're ever 'round
over here, and have some spare time, just give me a call!
All my best!
Mattias
**** Mattias Hallin ** Lund * Sweden ** <Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se> ****
* *
* "Oh bury me thar! With my battered git-tar! *
************** A-screamin' my heart out fer yew!" *************
James Williams
Disney-comics digest #407.
Message 34 -
1994-08-18 at 19:43:27
Don,
>Among other items, I bought issues of FANTASTIC FEARS, CLIMAX, TERRORS
>OF THE JUNGLE and THE ADVENTURES OF OZZIE AND HARRIETT which completed
>my sets.
It bothers me that you and many other comic professionals don't
read or purchase any modern comics. There are some very good comics
being produced.
>I did find out later that Heidi MacDonald, who was supposed to show
>up on this Digest but never has for some reason, was offended that
>she wasn't invited to be on the panel as representing the Disney TV
>comics
About two weeks after I asked Heidi to join this list, I double checked
with her and she was receiving it. Per should be able to tell us if
Heidi is still subscribed. I don't want to offened either David or
Heidi, but I do think that Heidi MacDonald and Hildy Mesnik should have
been invited to this panel.
>So, now I'm curious -- is there any interest here in what
>happens to the "Rescue Rangers" or in a "Tale Spin" comic book?
Thought they have appeared occasionaly in Disney Adventures Digest,
there haven't been RR or TS comics published since the Disney
implosion. I bought both of those series and currently purchase DAD
and Marvel's Disney comics. In fact, I think Beauty and The Beast is
probably the best title Marvel publishes.
Why would a 30 year old man purchase Marvel's children's comics?
Because they are fun. The stories ranges from average to good. The
artwork ranges from good to excellent. They have stories (something
most super-hero comics lack). They don't crossover into other titles.
>Was an important topic missed by not discussing Disney TV comics on
>the San Diego panel?
Again, I wasn't there and refuse to criticize David. I think the
question should be - should *we* ignore these comics. I don't think so.
When Marvel's Disney Afternoon title begins next month, they will
become the #1 publisher of Disney comics in the US.
James Williams
>Among other items, I bought issues of FANTASTIC FEARS, CLIMAX, TERRORS
>OF THE JUNGLE and THE ADVENTURES OF OZZIE AND HARRIETT which completed
>my sets.
It bothers me that you and many other comic professionals don't
read or purchase any modern comics. There are some very good comics
being produced.
>I did find out later that Heidi MacDonald, who was supposed to show
>up on this Digest but never has for some reason, was offended that
>she wasn't invited to be on the panel as representing the Disney TV
>comics
About two weeks after I asked Heidi to join this list, I double checked
with her and she was receiving it. Per should be able to tell us if
Heidi is still subscribed. I don't want to offened either David or
Heidi, but I do think that Heidi MacDonald and Hildy Mesnik should have
been invited to this panel.
>So, now I'm curious -- is there any interest here in what
>happens to the "Rescue Rangers" or in a "Tale Spin" comic book?
Thought they have appeared occasionaly in Disney Adventures Digest,
there haven't been RR or TS comics published since the Disney
implosion. I bought both of those series and currently purchase DAD
and Marvel's Disney comics. In fact, I think Beauty and The Beast is
probably the best title Marvel publishes.
Why would a 30 year old man purchase Marvel's children's comics?
Because they are fun. The stories ranges from average to good. The
artwork ranges from good to excellent. They have stories (something
most super-hero comics lack). They don't crossover into other titles.
>Was an important topic missed by not discussing Disney TV comics on
>the San Diego panel?
Again, I wasn't there and refuse to criticize David. I think the
question should be - should *we* ignore these comics. I don't think so.
When Marvel's Disney Afternoon title begins next month, they will
become the #1 publisher of Disney comics in the US.
James Williams
James Williams
Disney-comics digest #407.
Message 35 -
1994-08-18 at 20:09:47
Knut,
>The reason beeing that I am disappointed to an undescribable degree
>about Disney throwing overboard all the high standards for first class
>entertainment and jumping unto the "Sky Channel"-style comics with:
This assumes that everything Disney's done in the past was of great
quality and that these new cartoons and comics are of a lesser quality.
I'm not qualified to argue the merits of Disney's animation, so I'll
stick with their comics. While Disney Comics have given us the likes
of Barks and Rosa, they've also given us a bunch of REALLY bad comics.
When I was growing up, the Disney comics being published by Gold Key
were terrible. I grew up hating Disney comics. If not for Don
Thompson, may he rest in peace, I probably would still not read Disney
comics. Sure these new comics don't feature Donald or Mickey, but they
do feature complete stories, good artwork, humor instead of satire, and
action instead of violence.
>- Total neglect of the characters previous history. It breaks my
>heart to see Baloo in his new role, beeing reduced from that wonderful,
>relaxed bear to a modern, busy pilot.
Since when did Disney characters have a history? Donald, Mickey, and
Goofy were always playing various roles in the cartoons. In fact,
Floyd Gottfredson, Al Taliferro, and Carl Barks could all be condemned
because their characters differed from what appeared in the cartoons.
I'd rather see these characters used with respect then simply
forgotten about. I'll give you a good example. One of my favorite
Disney cartoon characters is Humphery the Bear. He had not appeared in
years. But, he has made two apperances in the Disney Afternoon.
>I hate to conclude that I won't ever be able to say to anyone again
>that bying a comic video with the name Disney on it is a sure sign of
>quality!
But Disney's put out plenty of bad animation. A really good example of
this is "The Lion King". What a dreadful movie.
James Williams
>The reason beeing that I am disappointed to an undescribable degree
>about Disney throwing overboard all the high standards for first class
>entertainment and jumping unto the "Sky Channel"-style comics with:
This assumes that everything Disney's done in the past was of great
quality and that these new cartoons and comics are of a lesser quality.
I'm not qualified to argue the merits of Disney's animation, so I'll
stick with their comics. While Disney Comics have given us the likes
of Barks and Rosa, they've also given us a bunch of REALLY bad comics.
When I was growing up, the Disney comics being published by Gold Key
were terrible. I grew up hating Disney comics. If not for Don
Thompson, may he rest in peace, I probably would still not read Disney
comics. Sure these new comics don't feature Donald or Mickey, but they
do feature complete stories, good artwork, humor instead of satire, and
action instead of violence.
>- Total neglect of the characters previous history. It breaks my
>heart to see Baloo in his new role, beeing reduced from that wonderful,
>relaxed bear to a modern, busy pilot.
Since when did Disney characters have a history? Donald, Mickey, and
Goofy were always playing various roles in the cartoons. In fact,
Floyd Gottfredson, Al Taliferro, and Carl Barks could all be condemned
because their characters differed from what appeared in the cartoons.
I'd rather see these characters used with respect then simply
forgotten about. I'll give you a good example. One of my favorite
Disney cartoon characters is Humphery the Bear. He had not appeared in
years. But, he has made two apperances in the Disney Afternoon.
>I hate to conclude that I won't ever be able to say to anyone again
>that bying a comic video with the name Disney on it is a sure sign of
>quality!
But Disney's put out plenty of bad animation. A really good example of
this is "The Lion King". What a dreadful movie.
James Williams
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #408.
Message 36 -
1994-08-19 at 06:24:51
ANDREW:
The easy way to get the "feel" for whatever time or place that
one of my Lo$ chapters is set in is to simply read everything I have
about it in my reference library, then check out every book in local
libraries that cover it. I shouldn't imply that I READ these references
cover-to-cover... my allowable time for research on stories that
wouldn't even pay that well if I just dashed them off the top of my head
is very short... but I'll spend up to a week browzing many, many books
for ideas, reading sections carefully that look promising, making pages
and pages of notes which will mostly be of no further use when my final
ideas are picked, and just enjoying the heck out of all the fun facts of
history. It's easilly the most fun part of the job (naturally) since it
doesn't require the brain-twisting and puzzle-solving that my tight,
all-in-15-pages plots require, or the physical labor that drawing
entails. But I always have that gnawing feeling in my belly that while
I'm doing research, it's all on my time, and the bank is about to
foreclose on my mortgage or something if I don't get something done that
produces $. I wish I could be working in a system like other American
comics... but my "creations" never pay me a penny beyond the moment I'm
actually doing it the first time, so I've always got myself on a
schedule to get X amount of stuff done every day or week.
Anyhow, I can't say where else you'll come across info on the
Anaconda Mine. I did that story about 2 years ago and I don't recall.
HARRY:
You're sharp. Yes, it wasn't the letterers fault, but I didn't
make it clear enough to John Clark that all these titles should start
with a "The". I was disturbed enough when I saw the CBG ad saying the
story title would be "RaiderS of the Copper Hill", ruining the whole
motif at once.
But did you notice how they corrected that other
"misinterpretation" that had irked me? They started giving poor $crooge
that BROWN HAIR and they said they didn't know how to stop without it
looking odd (though I wanted them to just plain stop cold); but did you
notice when $crooge's hair turns from brown to white?
KNUT and JAMES:
Since I know I'm prejudiced against Disney's TV comics as true
"Disney comics", I shouldn't listen to me. But I sorta agree with Knut.
It's not a matter of quality... it's the whole style and attitude behind
the Dell stuff (that I grew up with) and anything based on those TV
cartoons and produced by super-hero fans. None of the Disney TV shows
are comics are even remotely "Disney" to my thinking. They are a whole
new Disney style designed to appeal to modern juvenile tastes. Sure,
there were lousy Disney comics (I think I've done my share of them and
just did another last month)... but the worst Donald Duck adventure or
most boring Daisy and Donald story is of a whole different genre than
these wacky "Darkwing Duck" type shows (and comics, I can only assume,
if they are successfully authentic). I really see nothing "Disney" in
their new animated features, regardless of how wildly successful the
stuff is; I know that the whole reason the stuff IS popular is that
they've changed their styles to match modern kids' hyper-speed tastes.
ALADDIN as a Hanna-Barbera/Warner Bros. cartoon. And as I've said on
here before, I like Roger Rabbit, but I get actually offended when I see
the guy in the RR suit in DisneyWorld. RR has nothing whatsoever to do
with Disney. What a concept!
Anyway, I think there should be a panel for Disney Dell comics
and a separate one for Disney TV comics. And the only reason I can think
of against that idea is that I'd be embarrassed for the TV comic people
if no one showed up for them but some mommies with their toddlers.
MATTIAS:
I wish I could have come along with you on your trip through
Kentucky. I wish I could do that for a few days, but it would require
boarding Gyro and lots of other complications if it were even just
overnight. (We can't leave Gyro alone for one night, anymore than that
should be done to a child). Then when we have time for a decent
vacation, we feel like we should be going someplace far away from
Kentucky.
But we have spent time in Slade and...uh... that other town down
there by Natural Bridge Park; we sometimes go camping in the Red River
Gourge right there. I wonder if you could see parts of that -- the
Bridge is part of it. It's like a miniature, tree-covered Grand Canyon.
The easy way to get the "feel" for whatever time or place that
one of my Lo$ chapters is set in is to simply read everything I have
about it in my reference library, then check out every book in local
libraries that cover it. I shouldn't imply that I READ these references
cover-to-cover... my allowable time for research on stories that
wouldn't even pay that well if I just dashed them off the top of my head
is very short... but I'll spend up to a week browzing many, many books
for ideas, reading sections carefully that look promising, making pages
and pages of notes which will mostly be of no further use when my final
ideas are picked, and just enjoying the heck out of all the fun facts of
history. It's easilly the most fun part of the job (naturally) since it
doesn't require the brain-twisting and puzzle-solving that my tight,
all-in-15-pages plots require, or the physical labor that drawing
entails. But I always have that gnawing feeling in my belly that while
I'm doing research, it's all on my time, and the bank is about to
foreclose on my mortgage or something if I don't get something done that
produces $. I wish I could be working in a system like other American
comics... but my "creations" never pay me a penny beyond the moment I'm
actually doing it the first time, so I've always got myself on a
schedule to get X amount of stuff done every day or week.
Anyhow, I can't say where else you'll come across info on the
Anaconda Mine. I did that story about 2 years ago and I don't recall.
HARRY:
You're sharp. Yes, it wasn't the letterers fault, but I didn't
make it clear enough to John Clark that all these titles should start
with a "The". I was disturbed enough when I saw the CBG ad saying the
story title would be "RaiderS of the Copper Hill", ruining the whole
motif at once.
But did you notice how they corrected that other
"misinterpretation" that had irked me? They started giving poor $crooge
that BROWN HAIR and they said they didn't know how to stop without it
looking odd (though I wanted them to just plain stop cold); but did you
notice when $crooge's hair turns from brown to white?
KNUT and JAMES:
Since I know I'm prejudiced against Disney's TV comics as true
"Disney comics", I shouldn't listen to me. But I sorta agree with Knut.
It's not a matter of quality... it's the whole style and attitude behind
the Dell stuff (that I grew up with) and anything based on those TV
cartoons and produced by super-hero fans. None of the Disney TV shows
are comics are even remotely "Disney" to my thinking. They are a whole
new Disney style designed to appeal to modern juvenile tastes. Sure,
there were lousy Disney comics (I think I've done my share of them and
just did another last month)... but the worst Donald Duck adventure or
most boring Daisy and Donald story is of a whole different genre than
these wacky "Darkwing Duck" type shows (and comics, I can only assume,
if they are successfully authentic). I really see nothing "Disney" in
their new animated features, regardless of how wildly successful the
stuff is; I know that the whole reason the stuff IS popular is that
they've changed their styles to match modern kids' hyper-speed tastes.
ALADDIN as a Hanna-Barbera/Warner Bros. cartoon. And as I've said on
here before, I like Roger Rabbit, but I get actually offended when I see
the guy in the RR suit in DisneyWorld. RR has nothing whatsoever to do
with Disney. What a concept!
Anyway, I think there should be a panel for Disney Dell comics
and a separate one for Disney TV comics. And the only reason I can think
of against that idea is that I'd be embarrassed for the TV comic people
if no one showed up for them but some mommies with their toddlers.
MATTIAS:
I wish I could have come along with you on your trip through
Kentucky. I wish I could do that for a few days, but it would require
boarding Gyro and lots of other complications if it were even just
overnight. (We can't leave Gyro alone for one night, anymore than that
should be done to a child). Then when we have time for a decent
vacation, we feel like we should be going someplace far away from
Kentucky.
But we have spent time in Slade and...uh... that other town down
there by Natural Bridge Park; we sometimes go camping in the Red River
Gourge right there. I wonder if you could see parts of that -- the
Bridge is part of it. It's like a miniature, tree-covered Grand Canyon.
AndrewP603
Where's Duckberg?
Message 37 -
1994-08-19 at 06:40:38
Howdy. I stumbled on to this list a little over a month ago, and since
then have begun buying Disney comics again. I used to read them back when
Gladstone was doing their first run at them, then completely gave up on them
when Disney started doing them themselves.
I've picked up parts 3 & 4 of the Lo$ series (1 & 2 were $10 & $5,
respectively, which I figure will drop after the excitement. After all,
Americans don't care about Disney comics.), and the use of actual history in
the series led me to ask the following question of Don:
What part of the U.S. is Duckberg in? I seem to remember reading in a (I
think it was Barks) comic that it was in "Calisota." This sounds like a
hybrid of California and Minnesota to me. I suppose Barks wanted California
so that he could put in things about the ocean, and he also wanted Minnesota
wo that he could do stories such as that winter story about HD&L skipping
school and DD as the Truancy officer.
In the Sega game Quackshot, Duckberg is placed in southern California. It
seems like in DuckTales I remember seeing a map of them flying somewhere and
drawing on a map to show it and it seems like it was from somewhere in New
England, although I could easily have this confused with something else. But
I guess these don't matter since Mr. Rosa is basing his story on the comics
and not video games and tv shows.
I'm just curious since he's showing the history of the areas as he's going
along and therefore will be forced to put Duckberg somewhere. I would
suggest Minnesota so that you could keep on doing the wonderful winter
stories. But, of course, I'm just a _tad_ bit biased, living in the Gopher
state myself.
Sorry that this is so wordy, but hey, people have been complaining that the
list is too quiet anyways.
Andrew Peterson
...somewhere in Minnesota
P.S. There used to be a fanzine about Disney comics called _The Duckberg
Times_, I believe. Does anyone know if it's still around or how to get an
issue? Thanks.
then have begun buying Disney comics again. I used to read them back when
Gladstone was doing their first run at them, then completely gave up on them
when Disney started doing them themselves.
I've picked up parts 3 & 4 of the Lo$ series (1 & 2 were $10 & $5,
respectively, which I figure will drop after the excitement. After all,
Americans don't care about Disney comics.), and the use of actual history in
the series led me to ask the following question of Don:
What part of the U.S. is Duckberg in? I seem to remember reading in a (I
think it was Barks) comic that it was in "Calisota." This sounds like a
hybrid of California and Minnesota to me. I suppose Barks wanted California
so that he could put in things about the ocean, and he also wanted Minnesota
wo that he could do stories such as that winter story about HD&L skipping
school and DD as the Truancy officer.
In the Sega game Quackshot, Duckberg is placed in southern California. It
seems like in DuckTales I remember seeing a map of them flying somewhere and
drawing on a map to show it and it seems like it was from somewhere in New
England, although I could easily have this confused with something else. But
I guess these don't matter since Mr. Rosa is basing his story on the comics
and not video games and tv shows.
I'm just curious since he's showing the history of the areas as he's going
along and therefore will be forced to put Duckberg somewhere. I would
suggest Minnesota so that you could keep on doing the wonderful winter
stories. But, of course, I'm just a _tad_ bit biased, living in the Gopher
state myself.
Sorry that this is so wordy, but hey, people have been complaining that the
list is too quiet anyways.
Andrew Peterson
...somewhere in Minnesota
P.S. There used to be a fanzine about Disney comics called _The Duckberg
Times_, I believe. Does anyone know if it's still around or how to get an
issue? Thanks.
Harry Fluks
Where's Duckberg?
Message 38 -
1994-08-19 at 11:04:51
Andrew P.:
FYI: The name of the town is DuckBURG, not DuckBERG. But don't worry: even
Don Rosa misspells the name all the time (in his letters I mean, not in
his comics)...
> What part of the U.S. is Duckberg in?
You can expect that that's a Frequently Asked Question. And Don has indeed
answered it before. His exact answer is in the file 'don-rosa' on the
ftp site ftp.lysator.liu.se, subdir /pub/comics/disney. I'll send you a
copy in private e-mail. A short extract:
* My comic world and the actual world are identical EXCEPT...
* the section of California north of the 39th parallel is Calisota...
* On the bay opposite Eureka is Duckburg on the Tulebug river.
(The reason I'm sending you the ftp file in private mail is that some
people on this list have to pay for the mail they receive. I hope you
don't.. 8-)
--Harry.
Harry PTT Research ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
Fluks Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
" Is eenmaal mijn stervensuur daar,
Leg dan mijn trouwe gitaar
Met een dahlia op mijn graf... "
P.S. Don: yes, I saw the hair color change. Quite a good solution!
FYI: The name of the town is DuckBURG, not DuckBERG. But don't worry: even
Don Rosa misspells the name all the time (in his letters I mean, not in
his comics)...
> What part of the U.S. is Duckberg in?
You can expect that that's a Frequently Asked Question. And Don has indeed
answered it before. His exact answer is in the file 'don-rosa' on the
ftp site ftp.lysator.liu.se, subdir /pub/comics/disney. I'll send you a
copy in private e-mail. A short extract:
* My comic world and the actual world are identical EXCEPT...
* the section of California north of the 39th parallel is Calisota...
* On the bay opposite Eureka is Duckburg on the Tulebug river.
(The reason I'm sending you the ftp file in private mail is that some
people on this list have to pay for the mail they receive. I hope you
don't.. 8-)
--Harry.
Harry PTT Research ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
Fluks Leidschendam (_) H.W.Fluks at research.ptt.nl
" Is eenmaal mijn stervensuur daar,
Leg dan mijn trouwe gitaar
Met een dahlia op mijn graf... "
P.S. Don: yes, I saw the hair color change. Quite a good solution!
Atrian
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Contents:
Mattias Hallin Happy Days, I'm Here Again!
Harry Fluks Barks on Dutch television
Anders Engwall Re: From RoC
======================================================================
HI, Y'ALL!
After a *great* 18 days in the ol' US of A, I'm back home and back on
the digest -- I just wanted y'all t'know, don'chaknow!?
Since I've been off the digestlist (and thus have no backlog to comment upon),
I guess I don't have much more to say right now; and anyway I understand it's
been pretty quiet 'round here any ol' way...
So -- all my best, for now
Mattias
!==============================================================================!
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!* S-222 29 Lund, SWEDEN **************************** Phone: +46 46-10 71 37 **!
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!==============================================================================!
======================================================================
It's getting a bit cold for the beach now, so here comes...
This is a transcription of the item about Carl Barks' visit to Holland
in "NOVA", aired on July 14th, 1994, 10:30 PM.
English spoken texts were subtitled in Dutch. The English and
Dutch texts are given here as literally as possible. Dutch
texts are accompanied by an English translation by HF.
[Anchorman Paul Witteman introduces the item.]
Witteman:
Zijn hele leven zat-ie binnen - te tekenen als hij
tenminste niet hoefde houthakken op de boerderij van zijn
ouders. Hij gaf z'n eend het weinig soepele en soms
uitgesproken chagrijnige karakter waarmee het beest
wereldberoemd werd. Hoogbejaard is Carl Barks. De
tekenaar van Donald Duck. Voor het eerst op reis, en - in
Amsterdam.
TRANSLATION:
His whole life he was indoors - drawing as long as he
didn't have to chop wood on the farm of his parents. He
gave his duck the little flexible and sometimes
distinctly chagrined character with which the animal
became world famous. Very aged is Carl Barks. The artist
of Donald Duck. For the first time on a trip, and - in
Amsterdam.
[CB looking at a Dutch Donald Duck album containing WDC 270,
"The Jinxed Jalopy Race". Caption: Carl Barks - Duckman]
CB:
Let's see. Something about it looks a little familiar.
Yeah I try to remember this, something about a
litterbuggy. That is an example of stories that just come
up from various new laws we get in the States about
throwing litter out on highways and how Donald gets in a
jam from somebody else's litter.
[various close-ups of panels from the above story. Voice of CB only:]
CB (laughing):
We have very little information on his earlier stages of life.
[CB in a studio with a big copy of the first Dutch DD Weekly
on the background]
Interviewer:
When did you try drawing? Did you have paper and pencil
in those days?
CB:
I'm trying to draw... the time I can remember I was
trying to draw. First I would draw with a charcoal I
picked up off the hearth and write on the walls of the
little shack we lived in. As soon as I was able to
understand wat paper was for and pencils I began using
those things. And I loved to draw the time I can
remember, and I had quite a talent for it I guess.
[Some more close-ups of panels by Barks and Jippes]
[CB and company in a canal boat in Amsterdam. CB sits next to a Dutch woman]
Woman:
We have here a lot of students in this area, not now,
because it's July, so it's more holiday.
[caption: Bill Grandey - manager Carl Barks. There's a woman sitting next
to him]
Grandey:
This year he painted a 24-page Scrooge story, he's done
two huge paintings and he's done two bronze sculptures.
And taking a 7-week trip of Europe. That's so far this
year. And he's done a new book with a half-an-hour
recording with Donald Duck.
Interviewer:
You must be dead-tired.
Woman:
WE are.
Grandey:
WE are. I don't know if he... ha ha ha.
[Apparently, a Dutch man, possibly Thom Roep, is sitting opposite to CB.
We only see his back. The Dutch woman is still next to CB.]
CB:
When were bricks invented...
Man:
When they built the Pyramids in Egypt, they formed the
stones already. And baked them.
CB:
Well, I know how they make them. I just wondered how many
hundred years ago did they learn how to make them.
Woman:
I think already a long time ago.
[caption: Thom Roep - hoofdredacteur Donald Duck]
Roep:
Het is toch een naam die eigenlijk 21 jaar lang op de
redaktie iedere dag valt. Het is het voorbeeld voor alle
nieuwe generaties tekenaars en schrijvers dus ik denk
niet dat er een dag geweest is dat de naam Barks niet
werd uitgesproken.
TRANSLATION:
It is a name that is mentioned every day on the editor's
desk for 21 years now. He is the example for every new
generation of artists and writers, so I don't think there
has been a day that the name Barks was not mentioned.
[CB in close-up, still in the canal boat]
CB:
Oh I do a little painting. Just about ducks, pretty
girls, things like that. Anyway, I'd like to see what
somebody else has done in the way of painting.
Interviewer:
Do you like Rembrandt?
CB:
I do, yeah. I accidentally hit on a color scheme that's
very much like Rembrandt's. Most of my successful
paintings have been painted with the colors that look as
if Rembrandt has painted them. So I want to see what it
was that he did.
[Voice of CB only:]
CB:
When I did it and looked at it I made oath, dead silent - not
ever open my mouth again.
[Next we see CB and some other people walking in the Rijksmuseum, looking
for Rembrant's "Night Watch".]
CB:
So it's the big one in there?
Man walking next to CB:
Yes, the big one.
CB:
That IS big.
[CB in front of the Night Watch:]
CB:
Looks like he made his blacks with a mixture of dark
green and dark red... and a little dark blue. You come up
with a very vibrant black.
Interviewer:
What about the composition?
CB:
Well, in a mob scene like that he did excellently. (laughs)
Interviewer:
He took a little longer to paint this I think than...
CB:
Well, he took four years, the longest one I worked on was
five months. That was one with the Scrooge McDuck money
bin, with millions of gold coins that I had to paint.
Tedious little details...
[CB in the studio again. Caption: Carl Barks - Duckman]
Interviewer:
What do you think of people who pay enormous amounts of
money for your paintings nowadays. Are they a little bit
crazy?
CB:
I think of them as being angels with golden wings. They
are the greatest people on earth. I wish there were more
of them.
CB:
The early jobs I had as a rancher, farmboy, and later
labor on the railroad gang and such things... I had a
wonderful easy job cartooning, that was just heaven.
Working indoors, out of the hot sun and the cold, doing
the things I liked. That was half of my wages, I didn't
need a hell of a lot of money to make me happy.
[closing comment by anchorman:]
Witteman:
Maar die andere helft kwam ook in orde. Morgen zijn we er weer (enz.)
TRANSLATION:
But the other half was fixed as well. Tomorrow we'll be back.. (etc.)
--end--
--Harry.
======================================================================
oLe 'RoC' Reichstein Nielsen says:
> The hillbilly character - a.k.a. 'Urtigao'/ 'Skogs-Ola' and
> 'Jesper Skauen' - in Denmark is (or should I say 'was'?) called
> 'Habakuk', which could be his, although misspelt, original name.
Using 'BHBC' (Bearded HillBilly Character) makes it a whole lot simpler
until we figure out the original name...
> A Strobl story in AA&Co. #27/1969 also mentions his friend Amos -
> not a very common name in Danish.
I *think* this was the first appearance of BHBC in Sweden, and hence also
in Denmark. I know of no appearance of his later than 1974, so his career
was fairly brief.
Fairly good story, actually. US is about to buy some land from BHBC, but
BHBC is illiterate so he can neither read nor sign the contract. As
he's about to make a substantial amount of money on the deal, BHBC agrees
to go to school. It turns out he's a good scholar, except in one subject.
Yep, you guessed it -- reading'n'writing.
> "My friend Amos always says:
> 'Don't sign anything, before you've read it!'"
> - Habakuk
Some advice... Amos is himself illiterate!
Anders Engwall Email: Anders.Engwall at eua.ericsson.se
ELLEMTEL Utvecklings AB Voice: +46 8 727 3893
[lvsj|, Sweden Fax: +46 8 727 42 20
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TO : Bent Pedersen at 2:230/823.9
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@Date: Wed, 17 Aug 94 01:18:41 +0200
Contents:
Mattias Hallin Happy Days, I'm Here Again!
Harry Fluks Barks on Dutch television
Anders Engwall Re: From RoC
======================================================================
HI, Y'ALL!
After a *great* 18 days in the ol' US of A, I'm back home and back on
the digest -- I just wanted y'all t'know, don'chaknow!?
Since I've been off the digestlist (and thus have no backlog to comment upon),
I guess I don't have much more to say right now; and anyway I understand it's
been pretty quiet 'round here any ol' way...
So -- all my best, for now
Mattias
!==============================================================================!
!* Mattias Hallin ** <Mattias.Hallin at Jurenh.lu.se> ** Phone: +46 46-14 84 43 **!
!* Trollebergsvagen 24 B ***** Work: Lund University, Box 117, S-221 00 Lund **!
!* S-222 29 Lund, SWEDEN **************************** Phone: +46 46-10 71 37 **!
!==============================================================================!
!*************** "Don't let the coyoteeeees howl over my grave!" **************!
!==============================================================================!
======================================================================
It's getting a bit cold for the beach now, so here comes...
This is a transcription of the item about Carl Barks' visit to Holland
in "NOVA", aired on July 14th, 1994, 10:30 PM.
English spoken texts were subtitled in Dutch. The English and
Dutch texts are given here as literally as possible. Dutch
texts are accompanied by an English translation by HF.
[Anchorman Paul Witteman introduces the item.]
Witteman:
Zijn hele leven zat-ie binnen - te tekenen als hij
tenminste niet hoefde houthakken op de boerderij van zijn
ouders. Hij gaf z'n eend het weinig soepele en soms
uitgesproken chagrijnige karakter waarmee het beest
wereldberoemd werd. Hoogbejaard is Carl Barks. De
tekenaar van Donald Duck. Voor het eerst op reis, en - in
Amsterdam.
TRANSLATION:
His whole life he was indoors - drawing as long as he
didn't have to chop wood on the farm of his parents. He
gave his duck the little flexible and sometimes
distinctly chagrined character with which the animal
became world famous. Very aged is Carl Barks. The artist
of Donald Duck. For the first time on a trip, and - in
Amsterdam.
[CB looking at a Dutch Donald Duck album containing WDC 270,
"The Jinxed Jalopy Race". Caption: Carl Barks - Duckman]
CB:
Let's see. Something about it looks a little familiar.
Yeah I try to remember this, something about a
litterbuggy. That is an example of stories that just come
up from various new laws we get in the States about
throwing litter out on highways and how Donald gets in a
jam from somebody else's litter.
[various close-ups of panels from the above story. Voice of CB only:]
CB (laughing):
We have very little information on his earlier stages of life.
[CB in a studio with a big copy of the first Dutch DD Weekly
on the background]
Interviewer:
When did you try drawing? Did you have paper and pencil
in those days?
CB:
I'm trying to draw... the time I can remember I was
trying to draw. First I would draw with a charcoal I
picked up off the hearth and write on the walls of the
little shack we lived in. As soon as I was able to
understand wat paper was for and pencils I began using
those things. And I loved to draw the time I can
remember, and I had quite a talent for it I guess.
[Some more close-ups of panels by Barks and Jippes]
[CB and company in a canal boat in Amsterdam. CB sits next to a Dutch woman]
Woman:
We have here a lot of students in this area, not now,
because it's July, so it's more holiday.
[caption: Bill Grandey - manager Carl Barks. There's a woman sitting next
to him]
Grandey:
This year he painted a 24-page Scrooge story, he's done
two huge paintings and he's done two bronze sculptures.
And taking a 7-week trip of Europe. That's so far this
year. And he's done a new book with a half-an-hour
recording with Donald Duck.
Interviewer:
You must be dead-tired.
Woman:
WE are.
Grandey:
WE are. I don't know if he... ha ha ha.
[Apparently, a Dutch man, possibly Thom Roep, is sitting opposite to CB.
We only see his back. The Dutch woman is still next to CB.]
CB:
When were bricks invented...
Man:
When they built the Pyramids in Egypt, they formed the
stones already. And baked them.
CB:
Well, I know how they make them. I just wondered how many
hundred years ago did they learn how to make them.
Woman:
I think already a long time ago.
[caption: Thom Roep - hoofdredacteur Donald Duck]
Roep:
Het is toch een naam die eigenlijk 21 jaar lang op de
redaktie iedere dag valt. Het is het voorbeeld voor alle
nieuwe generaties tekenaars en schrijvers dus ik denk
niet dat er een dag geweest is dat de naam Barks niet
werd uitgesproken.
TRANSLATION:
It is a name that is mentioned every day on the editor's
desk for 21 years now. He is the example for every new
generation of artists and writers, so I don't think there
has been a day that the name Barks was not mentioned.
[CB in close-up, still in the canal boat]
CB:
Oh I do a little painting. Just about ducks, pretty
girls, things like that. Anyway, I'd like to see what
somebody else has done in the way of painting.
Interviewer:
Do you like Rembrandt?
CB:
I do, yeah. I accidentally hit on a color scheme that's
very much like Rembrandt's. Most of my successful
paintings have been painted with the colors that look as
if Rembrandt has painted them. So I want to see what it
was that he did.
[Voice of CB only:]
CB:
When I did it and looked at it I made oath, dead silent - not
ever open my mouth again.
[Next we see CB and some other people walking in the Rijksmuseum, looking
for Rembrant's "Night Watch".]
CB:
So it's the big one in there?
Man walking next to CB:
Yes, the big one.
CB:
That IS big.
[CB in front of the Night Watch:]
CB:
Looks like he made his blacks with a mixture of dark
green and dark red... and a little dark blue. You come up
with a very vibrant black.
Interviewer:
What about the composition?
CB:
Well, in a mob scene like that he did excellently. (laughs)
Interviewer:
He took a little longer to paint this I think than...
CB:
Well, he took four years, the longest one I worked on was
five months. That was one with the Scrooge McDuck money
bin, with millions of gold coins that I had to paint.
Tedious little details...
[CB in the studio again. Caption: Carl Barks - Duckman]
Interviewer:
What do you think of people who pay enormous amounts of
money for your paintings nowadays. Are they a little bit
crazy?
CB:
I think of them as being angels with golden wings. They
are the greatest people on earth. I wish there were more
of them.
CB:
The early jobs I had as a rancher, farmboy, and later
labor on the railroad gang and such things... I had a
wonderful easy job cartooning, that was just heaven.
Working indoors, out of the hot sun and the cold, doing
the things I liked. That was half of my wages, I didn't
need a hell of a lot of money to make me happy.
[closing comment by anchorman:]
Witteman:
Maar die andere helft kwam ook in orde. Morgen zijn we er weer (enz.)
TRANSLATION:
But the other half was fixed as well. Tomorrow we'll be back.. (etc.)
--end--
--Harry.
======================================================================
oLe 'RoC' Reichstein Nielsen says:
> The hillbilly character - a.k.a. 'Urtigao'/ 'Skogs-Ola' and
> 'Jesper Skauen' - in Denmark is (or should I say 'was'?) called
> 'Habakuk', which could be his, although misspelt, original name.
Using 'BHBC' (Bearded HillBilly Character) makes it a whole lot simpler
until we figure out the original name...
> A Strobl story in AA&Co. #27/1969 also mentions his friend Amos -
> not a very common name in Danish.
I *think* this was the first appearance of BHBC in Sweden, and hence also
in Denmark. I know of no appearance of his later than 1974, so his career
was fairly brief.
Fairly good story, actually. US is about to buy some land from BHBC, but
BHBC is illiterate so he can neither read nor sign the contract. As
he's about to make a substantial amount of money on the deal, BHBC agrees
to go to school. It turns out he's a good scholar, except in one subject.
Yep, you guessed it -- reading'n'writing.
> "My friend Amos always says:
> 'Don't sign anything, before you've read it!'"
> - Habakuk
Some advice... Amos is himself illiterate!
Anders Engwall Email: Anders.Engwall at eua.ericsson.se
ELLEMTEL Utvecklings AB Voice: +46 8 727 3893
[lvsj|, Sweden Fax: +46 8 727 42 20
endremin saxassa flumen flobollala / feilobasch falljada follidi / flumbasch
======================================================================
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TO : Bent Pedersen at 2:230/823.9
SUBJ: Disney-comics digest #407.
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Contents:
Don Rosa Disney-comics digest #406.
Harry Fluks San Diego, Gladstone
Fabio Gadducci Re: Noone is reading this?
======================================================================
MATTIAS:
Well, I thought you'd have something to say about your American
trip! Where did you end up going after you left here?
======================================================================
San Diego
~~~~~~~~~
Don or David or anyone else:
Any news from San Diego? From the Disney comics forum? How were the speakers?
How was the audience? Any new plans revealed? (E.g. what is Jippes doing at
the moment?)
Gladstone
~~~~~~~~~
Gladstone announces a "Danish" Mickey story by Erickson and Ferioli, for
one of the issues of "Donald and Mickey". I'm sure Ole and David will like
this...
Is someone able (and willing) to type in Gladstone's announcements (from
Advance Comics or so)?
--Harry.
======================================================================
>Don:
>> Why do I get the feeling that no one is reading these Digests these days?
>
>1. It _is_ hot in Europe. In Holland it is the hottest summer since
> 1807 or so.
>
>2. I _do_ read the digests. On the beach.
>
>3. Normally, I only reply if there is something to reply. And I seldom
> start new subjects.
>
>> I'm whacky?
>
>I think you can answer that yourself.. 8-)
>
I'm here, too, but it is too hot to reply, or to think of a new subject...
In my office it is 40C.
Halp!!
Fabio
PS Don, did you get my mail? We had some problem here with the e-mail,
during the previous week: I can send it again, in you didn't get it.
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@Date: Thu, 18 Aug 94 01:18:38 +0200
Contents:
Don Rosa Disney-comics digest #406.
Harry Fluks San Diego, Gladstone
Fabio Gadducci Re: Noone is reading this?
======================================================================
MATTIAS:
Well, I thought you'd have something to say about your American
trip! Where did you end up going after you left here?
======================================================================
San Diego
~~~~~~~~~
Don or David or anyone else:
Any news from San Diego? From the Disney comics forum? How were the speakers?
How was the audience? Any new plans revealed? (E.g. what is Jippes doing at
the moment?)
Gladstone
~~~~~~~~~
Gladstone announces a "Danish" Mickey story by Erickson and Ferioli, for
one of the issues of "Donald and Mickey". I'm sure Ole and David will like
this...
Is someone able (and willing) to type in Gladstone's announcements (from
Advance Comics or so)?
--Harry.
======================================================================
>Don:
>> Why do I get the feeling that no one is reading these Digests these days?
>
>1. It _is_ hot in Europe. In Holland it is the hottest summer since
> 1807 or so.
>
>2. I _do_ read the digests. On the beach.
>
>3. Normally, I only reply if there is something to reply. And I seldom
> start new subjects.
>
>> I'm whacky?
>
>I think you can answer that yourself.. 8-)
>
I'm here, too, but it is too hot to reply, or to think of a new subject...
In my office it is 40C.
Halp!!
Fabio
PS Don, did you get my mail? We had some problem here with the e-mail,
during the previous week: I can send it again, in you didn't get it.
================================================================
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Home: +39-50-541725 Universita` di Pisa
Off.: +39-50-887268 Corso Italia 40, 56100 PISA (ITALY)
FAX: +39-50-887226 E-mail:gadducci at di.unipi.it
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Thore Harald Hoye
Disney-comics digest #408.
Message 42 -
1994-08-19 at 15:40:25
On 18 Aug 1994, Don Rosa wrote:
Hmm.. anyone know if I should answer y or n to the "Reply to all
recipients?" question? y this time...
> doesn't require the brain-twisting and puzzle-solving that my tight,
> all-in-15-pages plots require, or the physical labor that drawing
I think it's too bad that most disney stories are that short. I very much
enjoy reading longer stories, like the 'history of Scrooge' (can't
remember the actual name :/). That story in one book would really make
my day :). Will you be doing anything like that in the future?
Hmm.. anyone know if I should answer y or n to the "Reply to all
recipients?" question? y this time...
> doesn't require the brain-twisting and puzzle-solving that my tight,
> all-in-15-pages plots require, or the physical labor that drawing
I think it's too bad that most disney stories are that short. I very much
enjoy reading longer stories, like the 'history of Scrooge' (can't
remember the actual name :/). That story in one book would really make
my day :). Will you be doing anything like that in the future?
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #409.
Message 43 -
1994-08-20 at 06:38:18
ANDREW P.:
Nice to have you here! I was very interested in your comments,
and have some questions for you...
I'd like to know the reason you stopped buying the Disney comics
when Disney took them away from Gladstone. I'm interested to know if
it's the same reason I've heard from all the other people I've asked
this of, both here and abroad.
UNCLE $CROOGE #285 & 286 were $10 & $5 from someplace??? I'm
surprised and NOT surprised. Since American comic stores never take
Disney comics seriously under any circumstances, I wondered if this
might happen. The fact is that, due to this attitude, few if any dealers
ordered extra copies of that U$ #285, and (from what I'm told everywhere
I go) they sold out immediately and no re-orders were available. If that
had happened to any sort of super-hero comic, the value would have gone
up to, what?, $25? $50? $100? It's not uncommon. But even though U$ #285
is impossible to locate, I've never heard of any dealers giving it a
thought. I'm naturally flattered when my comics sell for more than half
cover price (as ALL used comics should sell for), and I wish I could
say, "Ah... how nice. Thanks... now please reduce the price to something
reasonable." I hope you didn't pay $10 or $5 for those issues -- I'm
positive, as scarce as they truly are, if you do find copies, most
dealers won't think about them and just charge 75 cents. I only wish I
had extra copies to send you... but right now even *I* am one copy short
on those issues of the three copies I need for my files. So, I need more
copies myownself.
Your spotting Barks' one-and-only mention of Calisota was very
sharp ("The Gilded Man"), and your guess as to the reason behind the
name is almost word-for-word the same idea that I've always suggested.
Yes, Harry gave you the right quote from an old message as to where I
placed Duckberg...er...DuckbUrg in the U.S. when I did chapter 9 of the
Lo$. As with most all the chapters, I began that one with a map, though
it was intentionally a map that was too small to show anyone but the
most discerning reader where Duckberg...er...bUrg is (since many people
would dislike seeing that nailed down. If a reader wished to see EXACTLY
where I'd placed it, he could compare the coastline to a U.S. map. But
Harry already saved you that trouble.
HARRY:
You are such a good info manager! And you disperse it wisely, in
private messages (rather than making us cheapskates pay for the added
textload)... but even give a "taste" of it in the Digest for the curious
readers. Great.
THORE:
Then there's problems like Thore's, I'm sure caused by his
software, when I receive his complete message twice... once directly to
me, and then again in the Digest.
As I answered the private version, no (if I understood the
meaning), I do NOT plan on doing any 215 page Duck stories for
publication in single issues. Yow. The maximum page count that Egmont
allows me is 24 -- and even then it must be broken into 3 8-page
stories. Even THAT is quite a gift! They won't let anyone else do a
story longer than a two-8-page-parter (=16).
Nice to have you here! I was very interested in your comments,
and have some questions for you...
I'd like to know the reason you stopped buying the Disney comics
when Disney took them away from Gladstone. I'm interested to know if
it's the same reason I've heard from all the other people I've asked
this of, both here and abroad.
UNCLE $CROOGE #285 & 286 were $10 & $5 from someplace??? I'm
surprised and NOT surprised. Since American comic stores never take
Disney comics seriously under any circumstances, I wondered if this
might happen. The fact is that, due to this attitude, few if any dealers
ordered extra copies of that U$ #285, and (from what I'm told everywhere
I go) they sold out immediately and no re-orders were available. If that
had happened to any sort of super-hero comic, the value would have gone
up to, what?, $25? $50? $100? It's not uncommon. But even though U$ #285
is impossible to locate, I've never heard of any dealers giving it a
thought. I'm naturally flattered when my comics sell for more than half
cover price (as ALL used comics should sell for), and I wish I could
say, "Ah... how nice. Thanks... now please reduce the price to something
reasonable." I hope you didn't pay $10 or $5 for those issues -- I'm
positive, as scarce as they truly are, if you do find copies, most
dealers won't think about them and just charge 75 cents. I only wish I
had extra copies to send you... but right now even *I* am one copy short
on those issues of the three copies I need for my files. So, I need more
copies myownself.
Your spotting Barks' one-and-only mention of Calisota was very
sharp ("The Gilded Man"), and your guess as to the reason behind the
name is almost word-for-word the same idea that I've always suggested.
Yes, Harry gave you the right quote from an old message as to where I
placed Duckberg...er...DuckbUrg in the U.S. when I did chapter 9 of the
Lo$. As with most all the chapters, I began that one with a map, though
it was intentionally a map that was too small to show anyone but the
most discerning reader where Duckberg...er...bUrg is (since many people
would dislike seeing that nailed down. If a reader wished to see EXACTLY
where I'd placed it, he could compare the coastline to a U.S. map. But
Harry already saved you that trouble.
HARRY:
You are such a good info manager! And you disperse it wisely, in
private messages (rather than making us cheapskates pay for the added
textload)... but even give a "taste" of it in the Digest for the curious
readers. Great.
THORE:
Then there's problems like Thore's, I'm sure caused by his
software, when I receive his complete message twice... once directly to
me, and then again in the Digest.
As I answered the private version, no (if I understood the
meaning), I do NOT plan on doing any 215 page Duck stories for
publication in single issues. Yow. The maximum page count that Egmont
allows me is 24 -- and even then it must be broken into 3 8-page
stories. Even THAT is quite a gift! They won't let anyone else do a
story longer than a two-8-page-parter (=16).
Itrack+ 1.1/G7
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1994-08-20 at 10:14:55
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TO : Bent Pedersen at 2:230/823.9
SUBJ: Pt 1/2: Disney-comics digest #408.
INTL: 2:230/823 1:105/42
==============================================================================
Contents:
Don Rosa Disney-comics digest #407.
Andrew Davies LO$ 4
Harry Fluks San Diego
Harry Fluks LO$ 4
Knut Hunstad Re: Disney-comics digest #407.
Mattias Hallin Four Days Off-Topic in the U.S.
James Williams Disney-comics digest #407.
James Williams Re: Disney-comics digest #407.
======================================================================
FABIO:
Did I get your mail? I got an E-Mail from you -- didn't you get
a response? I hate to have you send it (and me pay for it) again if I
already received it -- what were the general contents? Maybe you just
didn't get my response, whatever it was.
HARRY:
News from San Diego? Among other items, I bought issues of
FANTASTIC FEARS, CLIMAX, TERRORS OF THE JUNGLE and THE ADVENTURES OF
OZZIE AND HARRIETT which completed my sets.
Oh, you mean Disney comics news? No, there was nothing said on
the panel that you people don't know far more details of already.
I did find out later that Heidi MacDonald, who was supposed to
show up on this Digest but never has for some reason, was offended that
she wasn't invited to be on the panel as representing the Disney TV
comics (as seen in DISNEY ADVENTURES digest). I told her that nobody
intended to offend anyone, but that I just didn't think that the fans of
Disney comics... at least the fans who go to conventions or are involved
in things like this computer BBS... think of comics about "Darkwing
Duck" or "Chip and Dale's Rescue Rangers" when they want to talk about
"Disney comics". I think I assume that all adult Disney comics fans are
strictly interested in the old newspaper strips or Dell versions of the
characters, and that it just didn't enter our minds to invite someone
involved in the TV comics. As evidence, I notice the subject of Darkwing
Duck and that ilk never comes up on here... but maybe I'm just going by
my own preferences?
So, now I'm curious -- is there any interest here in what
happens to the "Rescue Rangers" or in a "Tale Spin" comic book? Was an
important topic missed by not discussing Disney TV comics on the San
Diego panel?
I didn't get a chance to talk to Daan Jippes... but I discovered
why when Grandey, speaking with Barks' voice, condemns my work and
praises both Van Horn's and Jippes'; as I suspected, Grandey is the
sales agent for both of them.
======================================================================
Hi everyone. Don't know why you are complaining about the heat, it's the
middle of winter after all. :-) It was -7C when I got up today. (Ok, but
by Australian standards that is pretty cold).
Anyway, I thought i would comment on LO$4, since no-one else seems to be
doing so. I don't know about the rest of you, but this series is the
most fun I've had with comics in years, and I find myself eager for the
next instalment evry 8 weeks or so. I only wish now that I had ordered 2
of each from the start, so I would have a set to give to my daughter
when she's a bit older. Oh well, I can buy her the collected book I
suppose.
Anyway, this "story within a story" is just wonderful. As Don says in
his notes, 'such mellerdrama'. I had never heard this story before, and
in fact the whole of American history < 1900 is pretty sketchy to me, so
as well as grand entertainment, this is quite educational. On that note,
it might be good to have a bibliography for the series when it is
collected together. Not just U$4 etc, but references to the real life
events within the book. I guessed during part 3 that "TR" was a real
person (though couldn't place the initials), but didn't know he was in
Montana at that time. As for the Anaconda mine story, where can I read
more about it Don?
Great stuff. I can't wait for more of the series. I seem to recall
someone mentioning that part of it is set in Australia. Hmm, is that the
odd place where Riches, Riches Everywhere is set in which people with
names like "Digger" call everyone "sport"? I'll look forward to that.
:-) Seriously though Don, if that ios so, how do you go about getting a
"feel" for such settings? Have you been here? (If you'd like to someday
you have a place to stay.) Or do you just draw on whatever sources you
can? (Not Crocodile Dundee please...)
Finally, the LO$ series is getting some attention in the various comic
newsgroups. This is rare for Disney stuff, so it's worth mentioning.
Here is a review from rec.arts.comics.info:
Uncle $crooge #288, Gladstone, $1.50
THE LIFE AND TIMES OF $CROOGE McDUCK - part four:
'THE RIDER OF THE COPPER HILL'
Written and Drawn by Don Rosa
Colored by Susan Daigle-Leach
So many gags, so detailed art, so carefully constructed
story. This story is too funny.
*OVERALL 10/10
----------------------
I guess that just about sums it up. Enjoy the summer everyone!
Andrew Davies
P.S. I liked the cover too.
======================================================================
Don:
> I did find out later that Heidi MacDonald [..] was offended that
> she wasn't invited to be on the panel
Actually, David *did* invite her. Here, on this list.
> So, now I'm curious -- is there any interest here in what
> happens to the "Rescue Rangers" or in a "Tale Spin" comic book?
My only interest is *what* they are doing. I like to know that these
comic stories exist, though I don't need to read any of them. But sometimes,
it seems that Disney Comics makes a good story, like a Mickey Mouse
meets Phantom Blot or so.
--Harry.
======================================================================
Andrew:
> Anyway, I thought i would comment on LO$4, since no-one else seems to be
> doing so.
I bought the USA version last tuesday. I already read the Dutch version, and
there's not much difference (except colouring and one translation error).
> Here is a review from rec.arts.comics.info:
>
> Uncle $crooge #288, Gladstone, $1.50
> THE LIFE AND TIMES OF $CROOGE McDUCK - part four:
> 'THE RIDER OF THE COPPER HILL'
Actually, it should be RAIDER, not RIDER. And the title in the story is
"Raider of the Copper Hill", without the first "The". Don once said all his
Lo$ stories carry titles like "The .. of the ..", so this title could
be an error of the letterer?
--Harry.
======================================================================
Hi everyone!
<lot's of things deleted from included message>
> So, now I'm curious -- is there any interest here in what
>happens to the "Rescue Rangers" or in a "Tale Spin" comic book? Was an
>important topic missed by not discussing Disney TV comics on the San
>Diego panel?
I _do_ have an interest in what happens in "Rescue Rangers" and "Tale Spin".
The reason beeing that I am disappointed to an undescribable degree about
Disney throwing overboard all the high standards for first class
entertainment and jumping unto the "Sky Channel"-style comics with:
- Total overload of images. No time to enjoy any scene before the next one
comes jumping up. Same thing as we see in the typical music video.
- Total neglect of the characters previous history. It breaks my heart to
see Baloo in his new role, beeing reduced from that wonderful, relaxed bear
to a modern, busy pilot.
It's scary to think about this beeing the introduction the next generation
will get into the "Wonderful world of Disney"! I was disappointed already
when I saw my first "Gummi Bears" episode several years ago. I couldn't
believe it was Disney. But that series at least lived it's own life with new
characters. When they suddenly started misusing their old characters in the
same way I was really shocked.
I hate to conclude that I won't ever be able to say to anyone again that
bying a comic video with the name Disney on it is a sure sign of quality!
As you probably have seen by now, this has been a topic I have been dying to
say my opinion about for a long time. Please note that I _do_ realize that
the new style has it's fans, too, I just am not able to consider this the
same quality entertainment as Disney's classic animated features or Bark's
comic stories.
Knut Hunstad
Trondheim, Norway
======================================================================
DON!
But of course I shall tel| you all about it -- the fact I haven't as yet is
mainly due to the combined efforts of severe jet-lag and going back to work;
basically I've spent all my waking hours fast asleep since I got back! Or, well,
rather: when not at work, I've been sleeping practically around the clock since
Sunday afternoon.
(And to the list: well, I hope you will forgive this off-topic posting; but
since Don asked for it here, I guess I'll post it here, too.)
So! Now that I'm finally awake...
First my own and Klas' thanks to you and Ann for having us as guests! We both
enjoyed it very much!
And also -- you were quite wrong: Kentucky proved a most interesting place to
visit, even not considering it's resident Duck-artist. From your place we went
to Bardstown (I think it's called), which was quite pretty, and also had a
well-stocked, brochure-wise, visitor's center, and the nice-to-look-at Talbot
Inn, which I think dates back to 1779, where we had lunch (standard fare, but
edible enough). From there we went to the Maker's Mark distillery ('bout 18
miles further south) which I think was a wise choice, since it's a very small
distillery, bent on quality rather than quantity. They had a free tour ('twas
good), the place was interesting to see, and their bourbon quite excellent
(though by necessity of law purchased later on, in Lebanon).
So from there, by way of Lebanon, we went to see the Perryville battlefield,
which Klas quite enjoyed; and though of course it does not compare to the major
Civil War battlefield NHSs, the small museum was good enough, and one was able
by leap of imagination to get a grasp of what must have happened there. In
Perryville, which BTW has quite a number of buildings left that stood there
already during the Civil War, we had some quite good and very inexpensive dinner
at the local Greasy Spoon; where Klas got to try grits. I'm not sure he'll do
*that* again, though -- I think he found it a mite dull...
Thence we drove on eastwards, heading for the Daniel Boone Nat'l Park, or at
least the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains. And I can add here that the
entire drive, all the way from Dawson Hill Road, varied between quite scenic and
*very* scenic.
After passing through Richmond, KY, we started looking for a town small enough
to have a downtown-or-nearly-so located Motel *and* a bar; but bad luck dogged
us, and every town promising motel-wise proved to be smack in a dry county; and
as night fell and the towns got smaller and fewer, we finally gave up on the
bar-thing, and settled for the night at the "Li'l Abner Motel" in Slade, just
off the Natural Bridge State Park, in between Stanton and Clampton.
Well, we'd planned to spend the entire Thursday exploring the State Park, but
when we came out to the car that morning, we had a flat! So we called the rental
agency, and they told us we had to get !n identical tire on, and after some
phone-calls we went to Stanton, 10 miles down, on the emergency wheel, and spent
three hours at Witt's Sunoco, while Mr. Witt went to the nearest town big enough
to have the right brand of tire, which took him 'bout two and a half hours, and
then changed the tires, which took his grease-jockey all of fifteen minutes!
Anyway, we finally got to spend at least the afternoon hiking in the Natural
Bridge park, which was *gorgeous*, and then started heading north on state and
county roads, until we got to Maysville, where we crossed over into Ohio, and
headed north on US 68.
We stayed the night in a small town that I can't recall the name of, but which
was most famous for having the first concrete pavement in the U.S. already in
1891 or something; and then Friday morning went on to Toledo, where we met some
musicians we'd gotten to know in Davenport, and sat in with them at a local bar
that night, and generally had a good time.
Saturday, we just drove into Chicago and flew back home...
But I'd like to tell you again that both Klas and I were real glad we'd made it
to Kentucky, and we quite agreed that it was a pity we had so little time, both
to visit you and Ann, and to just drive around Kentucky. Actually, not least
Klas appreciated the fact that Northeastern Kentucky was settled already in the
18th century, and that there seemed to be quite a few places of historical
interest -- there was several we'd have wanted to look at, but never really had
the time for... Also, the landscape and the small towns were quite nice to look
at more often than not, and from what we saw and experienced of it all, I think
we'd have like to explore Kentucky more.
Once more -- thanks you, and give our regards to Ann! And if you're ever 'round
over here, and have some spare time, just give me a call!
All my best!
Mattias
**** Mattias Hallin ** Lund * Sweden ** <Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se> ****
* *
* "Oh bury me thar! With my battered git-tar! *
************** A-screamin' my heart out fer yew!" *************
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Don,
>Among other items, I bought issues of FANTASTIC FEARS, CLIMAX, TERRORS
>OF THE JUNGLE and THE ADVENTURES OF OZZIE AND HARRIETT which completed
>my sets.
It bothers me that you and many other comic professionals don't
read or purchase any modern comics. There are some very good comics
being produced.
>I did find out later that Heidi MacDonald, who was supposed to show
>up on this Digest but never has for some reason, was offended that
>she wasn't invited to be on the panel as representing the Disney TV
>comics
About two weeks after I asked Heidi to join this list, I double checked
with her and she was receiving it. Per should be able to tell us if
Heidi is still subscribed. I don't want to offened either David or
Heidi, but I do think that Heidi MacDonald and Hildy Mesnik should have
been invited to this panel.
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Orignal message header:
FROM: disney-comics at (Email removed):105/42, 19 Aug 94 01:18:43
TO : Bent Pedersen at 2:230/823.9
SUBJ: Pt 1/2: Disney-comics digest #408.
INTL: 2:230/823 1:105/42
==============================================================================
Contents:
Don Rosa Disney-comics digest #407.
Andrew Davies LO$ 4
Harry Fluks San Diego
Harry Fluks LO$ 4
Knut Hunstad Re: Disney-comics digest #407.
Mattias Hallin Four Days Off-Topic in the U.S.
James Williams Disney-comics digest #407.
James Williams Re: Disney-comics digest #407.
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FABIO:
Did I get your mail? I got an E-Mail from you -- didn't you get
a response? I hate to have you send it (and me pay for it) again if I
already received it -- what were the general contents? Maybe you just
didn't get my response, whatever it was.
HARRY:
News from San Diego? Among other items, I bought issues of
FANTASTIC FEARS, CLIMAX, TERRORS OF THE JUNGLE and THE ADVENTURES OF
OZZIE AND HARRIETT which completed my sets.
Oh, you mean Disney comics news? No, there was nothing said on
the panel that you people don't know far more details of already.
I did find out later that Heidi MacDonald, who was supposed to
show up on this Digest but never has for some reason, was offended that
she wasn't invited to be on the panel as representing the Disney TV
comics (as seen in DISNEY ADVENTURES digest). I told her that nobody
intended to offend anyone, but that I just didn't think that the fans of
Disney comics... at least the fans who go to conventions or are involved
in things like this computer BBS... think of comics about "Darkwing
Duck" or "Chip and Dale's Rescue Rangers" when they want to talk about
"Disney comics". I think I assume that all adult Disney comics fans are
strictly interested in the old newspaper strips or Dell versions of the
characters, and that it just didn't enter our minds to invite someone
involved in the TV comics. As evidence, I notice the subject of Darkwing
Duck and that ilk never comes up on here... but maybe I'm just going by
my own preferences?
So, now I'm curious -- is there any interest here in what
happens to the "Rescue Rangers" or in a "Tale Spin" comic book? Was an
important topic missed by not discussing Disney TV comics on the San
Diego panel?
I didn't get a chance to talk to Daan Jippes... but I discovered
why when Grandey, speaking with Barks' voice, condemns my work and
praises both Van Horn's and Jippes'; as I suspected, Grandey is the
sales agent for both of them.
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Hi everyone. Don't know why you are complaining about the heat, it's the
middle of winter after all. :-) It was -7C when I got up today. (Ok, but
by Australian standards that is pretty cold).
Anyway, I thought i would comment on LO$4, since no-one else seems to be
doing so. I don't know about the rest of you, but this series is the
most fun I've had with comics in years, and I find myself eager for the
next instalment evry 8 weeks or so. I only wish now that I had ordered 2
of each from the start, so I would have a set to give to my daughter
when she's a bit older. Oh well, I can buy her the collected book I
suppose.
Anyway, this "story within a story" is just wonderful. As Don says in
his notes, 'such mellerdrama'. I had never heard this story before, and
in fact the whole of American history < 1900 is pretty sketchy to me, so
as well as grand entertainment, this is quite educational. On that note,
it might be good to have a bibliography for the series when it is
collected together. Not just U$4 etc, but references to the real life
events within the book. I guessed during part 3 that "TR" was a real
person (though couldn't place the initials), but didn't know he was in
Montana at that time. As for the Anaconda mine story, where can I read
more about it Don?
Great stuff. I can't wait for more of the series. I seem to recall
someone mentioning that part of it is set in Australia. Hmm, is that the
odd place where Riches, Riches Everywhere is set in which people with
names like "Digger" call everyone "sport"? I'll look forward to that.
:-) Seriously though Don, if that ios so, how do you go about getting a
"feel" for such settings? Have you been here? (If you'd like to someday
you have a place to stay.) Or do you just draw on whatever sources you
can? (Not Crocodile Dundee please...)
Finally, the LO$ series is getting some attention in the various comic
newsgroups. This is rare for Disney stuff, so it's worth mentioning.
Here is a review from rec.arts.comics.info:
Uncle $crooge #288, Gladstone, $1.50
THE LIFE AND TIMES OF $CROOGE McDUCK - part four:
'THE RIDER OF THE COPPER HILL'
Written and Drawn by Don Rosa
Colored by Susan Daigle-Leach
So many gags, so detailed art, so carefully constructed
story. This story is too funny.
*OVERALL 10/10
----------------------
I guess that just about sums it up. Enjoy the summer everyone!
Andrew Davies
P.S. I liked the cover too.
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Don:
> I did find out later that Heidi MacDonald [..] was offended that
> she wasn't invited to be on the panel
Actually, David *did* invite her. Here, on this list.
> So, now I'm curious -- is there any interest here in what
> happens to the "Rescue Rangers" or in a "Tale Spin" comic book?
My only interest is *what* they are doing. I like to know that these
comic stories exist, though I don't need to read any of them. But sometimes,
it seems that Disney Comics makes a good story, like a Mickey Mouse
meets Phantom Blot or so.
--Harry.
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Andrew:
> Anyway, I thought i would comment on LO$4, since no-one else seems to be
> doing so.
I bought the USA version last tuesday. I already read the Dutch version, and
there's not much difference (except colouring and one translation error).
> Here is a review from rec.arts.comics.info:
>
> Uncle $crooge #288, Gladstone, $1.50
> THE LIFE AND TIMES OF $CROOGE McDUCK - part four:
> 'THE RIDER OF THE COPPER HILL'
Actually, it should be RAIDER, not RIDER. And the title in the story is
"Raider of the Copper Hill", without the first "The". Don once said all his
Lo$ stories carry titles like "The .. of the ..", so this title could
be an error of the letterer?
--Harry.
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Hi everyone!
<lot's of things deleted from included message>
> So, now I'm curious -- is there any interest here in what
>happens to the "Rescue Rangers" or in a "Tale Spin" comic book? Was an
>important topic missed by not discussing Disney TV comics on the San
>Diego panel?
I _do_ have an interest in what happens in "Rescue Rangers" and "Tale Spin".
The reason beeing that I am disappointed to an undescribable degree about
Disney throwing overboard all the high standards for first class
entertainment and jumping unto the "Sky Channel"-style comics with:
- Total overload of images. No time to enjoy any scene before the next one
comes jumping up. Same thing as we see in the typical music video.
- Total neglect of the characters previous history. It breaks my heart to
see Baloo in his new role, beeing reduced from that wonderful, relaxed bear
to a modern, busy pilot.
It's scary to think about this beeing the introduction the next generation
will get into the "Wonderful world of Disney"! I was disappointed already
when I saw my first "Gummi Bears" episode several years ago. I couldn't
believe it was Disney. But that series at least lived it's own life with new
characters. When they suddenly started misusing their old characters in the
same way I was really shocked.
I hate to conclude that I won't ever be able to say to anyone again that
bying a comic video with the name Disney on it is a sure sign of quality!
As you probably have seen by now, this has been a topic I have been dying to
say my opinion about for a long time. Please note that I _do_ realize that
the new style has it's fans, too, I just am not able to consider this the
same quality entertainment as Disney's classic animated features or Bark's
comic stories.
Knut Hunstad
Trondheim, Norway
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DON!
But of course I shall tel| you all about it -- the fact I haven't as yet is
mainly due to the combined efforts of severe jet-lag and going back to work;
basically I've spent all my waking hours fast asleep since I got back! Or, well,
rather: when not at work, I've been sleeping practically around the clock since
Sunday afternoon.
(And to the list: well, I hope you will forgive this off-topic posting; but
since Don asked for it here, I guess I'll post it here, too.)
So! Now that I'm finally awake...
First my own and Klas' thanks to you and Ann for having us as guests! We both
enjoyed it very much!
And also -- you were quite wrong: Kentucky proved a most interesting place to
visit, even not considering it's resident Duck-artist. From your place we went
to Bardstown (I think it's called), which was quite pretty, and also had a
well-stocked, brochure-wise, visitor's center, and the nice-to-look-at Talbot
Inn, which I think dates back to 1779, where we had lunch (standard fare, but
edible enough). From there we went to the Maker's Mark distillery ('bout 18
miles further south) which I think was a wise choice, since it's a very small
distillery, bent on quality rather than quantity. They had a free tour ('twas
good), the place was interesting to see, and their bourbon quite excellent
(though by necessity of law purchased later on, in Lebanon).
So from there, by way of Lebanon, we went to see the Perryville battlefield,
which Klas quite enjoyed; and though of course it does not compare to the major
Civil War battlefield NHSs, the small museum was good enough, and one was able
by leap of imagination to get a grasp of what must have happened there. In
Perryville, which BTW has quite a number of buildings left that stood there
already during the Civil War, we had some quite good and very inexpensive dinner
at the local Greasy Spoon; where Klas got to try grits. I'm not sure he'll do
*that* again, though -- I think he found it a mite dull...
Thence we drove on eastwards, heading for the Daniel Boone Nat'l Park, or at
least the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains. And I can add here that the
entire drive, all the way from Dawson Hill Road, varied between quite scenic and
*very* scenic.
After passing through Richmond, KY, we started looking for a town small enough
to have a downtown-or-nearly-so located Motel *and* a bar; but bad luck dogged
us, and every town promising motel-wise proved to be smack in a dry county; and
as night fell and the towns got smaller and fewer, we finally gave up on the
bar-thing, and settled for the night at the "Li'l Abner Motel" in Slade, just
off the Natural Bridge State Park, in between Stanton and Clampton.
Well, we'd planned to spend the entire Thursday exploring the State Park, but
when we came out to the car that morning, we had a flat! So we called the rental
agency, and they told us we had to get !n identical tire on, and after some
phone-calls we went to Stanton, 10 miles down, on the emergency wheel, and spent
three hours at Witt's Sunoco, while Mr. Witt went to the nearest town big enough
to have the right brand of tire, which took him 'bout two and a half hours, and
then changed the tires, which took his grease-jockey all of fifteen minutes!
Anyway, we finally got to spend at least the afternoon hiking in the Natural
Bridge park, which was *gorgeous*, and then started heading north on state and
county roads, until we got to Maysville, where we crossed over into Ohio, and
headed north on US 68.
We stayed the night in a small town that I can't recall the name of, but which
was most famous for having the first concrete pavement in the U.S. already in
1891 or something; and then Friday morning went on to Toledo, where we met some
musicians we'd gotten to know in Davenport, and sat in with them at a local bar
that night, and generally had a good time.
Saturday, we just drove into Chicago and flew back home...
But I'd like to tell you again that both Klas and I were real glad we'd made it
to Kentucky, and we quite agreed that it was a pity we had so little time, both
to visit you and Ann, and to just drive around Kentucky. Actually, not least
Klas appreciated the fact that Northeastern Kentucky was settled already in the
18th century, and that there seemed to be quite a few places of historical
interest -- there was several we'd have wanted to look at, but never really had
the time for... Also, the landscape and the small towns were quite nice to look
at more often than not, and from what we saw and experienced of it all, I think
we'd have like to explore Kentucky more.
Once more -- thanks you, and give our regards to Ann! And if you're ever 'round
over here, and have some spare time, just give me a call!
All my best!
Mattias
**** Mattias Hallin ** Lund * Sweden ** <Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se> ****
* *
* "Oh bury me thar! With my battered git-tar! *
************** A-screamin' my heart out fer yew!" *************
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Don,
>Among other items, I bought issues of FANTASTIC FEARS, CLIMAX, TERRORS
>OF THE JUNGLE and THE ADVENTURES OF OZZIE AND HARRIETT which completed
>my sets.
It bothers me that you and many other comic professionals don't
read or purchase any modern comics. There are some very good comics
being produced.
>I did find out later that Heidi MacDonald, who was supposed to show
>up on this Digest but never has for some reason, was offended that
>she wasn't invited to be on the panel as representing the Disney TV
>comics
About two weeks after I asked Heidi to join this list, I double checked
with her and she was receiving it. Per should be able to tell us if
Heidi is still subscribed. I don't want to offened either David or
Heidi, but I do think that Heidi MacDonald and Hildy Mesnik should have
been invited to this panel.
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>So, now I'm curious -- is there any interest here in what
>happens to the "Rescue Rangers" or in a "Tale Spin" comic book?
Thought they have appeared occasionaly in Disney Adventures Digest,
there haven't been RR or TS comics published since the Disney
implosion. I bought both of those series and currently purchase DAD
and Marvel's Disney comics. In fact, I think Beauty and The Beast is
probably the best title Marvel publishes.
Why would a 30 year old man purchase Marvel's children's comics?
Because they are fun. The stories ranges from average to good. The
artwork ranges from good to excellent. They have stories (something
most super-hero comics lack). They don't crossover into other titles.
>Was an important topic missed by not discussing Disney TV comics on
>the San Diego panel?
Again, I wasn't there and refuse to criticize David. I think the
question should be - should *we* ignore these comics. I don't think so.
When Marvel's Disney Afternoon title begins next month, they will
become the #1 publisher of Disney comics in the US.
James Williams
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Knut,
>The reason beeing that I am disappointed to an undescribable degree
>about Disney throwing overboard all the high standards for first class
>entertainment and jumping unto the "Sky Channel"-style comics with:
This assumes that everything Disney's done in the past was of great
quality and that these new cartoons and comics are of a lesser quality.
I'm not qualified to argue the merits of Disney's animation, so I'll
stick with their comics. While Disney Comics have given us the likes
of Barks and Rosa, they've also given us a bunch of REALLY bad comics.
When I was growing up, the Disney comics being published by Gold Key
were terrible. I grew up hating Disney comics. If not for Don
Thompson, may he rest in peace, I probably would still not read Disney
comics. Sure these new comics don't feature Donald or Mickey, but they
do feature complete stories, good artwork, humor instead of satire, and
action instead of violence.
>- Total neglect of the characters previous history. It breaks my
>heart to see Baloo in his new role, beeing reduced from that wonderful,
>relaxed bear to a modern, busy pilot.
Since when did Disney characters have a history? Donald, Mickey, and
Goofy were always playing various roles in the cartoons. In fact,
Floyd Gottfredson, Al Taliferro, and Carl Barks could all be condemned
because their characters differed from what appeared in the cartoons.
I'd rather see these characters used with respect then simply
forgotten about. I'll give you a good example. One of my favorite
Disney cartoon characters is Humphery the Bear. He had not appeared in
years. But, he has made two apperances in the Disney Afternoon.
>I hate to conclude that I won't ever be able to say to anyone again
>that bying a comic video with the name Disney on it is a sure sign of
>quality!
But Disney's put out plenty of bad animation. A really good example of
this is "The Lion King". What a dreadful movie.
James Williams
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>So, now I'm curious -- is there any interest here in what
>happens to the "Rescue Rangers" or in a "Tale Spin" comic book?
Thought they have appeared occasionaly in Disney Adventures Digest,
there haven't been RR or TS comics published since the Disney
implosion. I bought both of those series and currently purchase DAD
and Marvel's Disney comics. In fact, I think Beauty and The Beast is
probably the best title Marvel publishes.
Why would a 30 year old man purchase Marvel's children's comics?
Because they are fun. The stories ranges from average to good. The
artwork ranges from good to excellent. They have stories (something
most super-hero comics lack). They don't crossover into other titles.
>Was an important topic missed by not discussing Disney TV comics on
>the San Diego panel?
Again, I wasn't there and refuse to criticize David. I think the
question should be - should *we* ignore these comics. I don't think so.
When Marvel's Disney Afternoon title begins next month, they will
become the #1 publisher of Disney comics in the US.
James Williams
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Knut,
>The reason beeing that I am disappointed to an undescribable degree
>about Disney throwing overboard all the high standards for first class
>entertainment and jumping unto the "Sky Channel"-style comics with:
This assumes that everything Disney's done in the past was of great
quality and that these new cartoons and comics are of a lesser quality.
I'm not qualified to argue the merits of Disney's animation, so I'll
stick with their comics. While Disney Comics have given us the likes
of Barks and Rosa, they've also given us a bunch of REALLY bad comics.
When I was growing up, the Disney comics being published by Gold Key
were terrible. I grew up hating Disney comics. If not for Don
Thompson, may he rest in peace, I probably would still not read Disney
comics. Sure these new comics don't feature Donald or Mickey, but they
do feature complete stories, good artwork, humor instead of satire, and
action instead of violence.
>- Total neglect of the characters previous history. It breaks my
>heart to see Baloo in his new role, beeing reduced from that wonderful,
>relaxed bear to a modern, busy pilot.
Since when did Disney characters have a history? Donald, Mickey, and
Goofy were always playing various roles in the cartoons. In fact,
Floyd Gottfredson, Al Taliferro, and Carl Barks could all be condemned
because their characters differed from what appeared in the cartoons.
I'd rather see these characters used with respect then simply
forgotten about. I'll give you a good example. One of my favorite
Disney cartoon characters is Humphery the Bear. He had not appeared in
years. But, he has made two apperances in the Disney Afternoon.
>I hate to conclude that I won't ever be able to say to anyone again
>that bying a comic video with the name Disney on it is a sure sign of
>quality!
But Disney's put out plenty of bad animation. A really good example of
this is "The Lion King". What a dreadful movie.
James Williams
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