I've always disliked the way DuckTales depicted the Beagle Boys. But
until today, I couldn't pin down why. Like Don, I've always seen
the Beagle Boys as being in their late thirties to early fourties.
In DuckTales, the Beagle *Boys* are too young; Probably in their early
twenties. Obviously, someone took the word *Boys* literly.
James Williams
Author
Topic: 199408
(88 messages)
James Williams
Beagle Boys and DuckTales
Message 76 -
1994-08-29 at 20:40:07
Wilmer Rivers
Beagle Boys' grandfather
Message 77 -
1994-08-29 at 21:17:56
If Blackheart Beagle from LO$ # 2 is in fact "Grandpa Beagle" in Barks's
"The Money Well", then he would be not only over 100 years old - he
would have to be about 120! Since the group of Beagle brothers in LO$
# 2 was born around 1855 - 1860 (their mother must have had her hands
full!), then Blackheart must have been born around 1835, which would
make him too old to be "Grandpa Beagle", assuming "The Money Well" takes
place about 1955. On the other hand, the brothers would be between 90
and 95 years old then, and that's why I assumed that one of them, not
their father, was Grandpa Beagle. In other words, I figured that the
Beagle brothers in LO$ # 2 were two generations removed from the 1955
gang, not just one generation.
As for the Columbus story about the eclipse, I had heard that too, but
I always assumed that it was just a legend taken from Mark Twain's use
of the same gimmick in his time-travel fantasy, "A Connecticut Yankee
in King Arthur's Court." I assumed this for 2 reasons: (1) given how
infrequently solar eclipses occur on any given part of the earth (even
partial eclipses), it would be one heck of a coincidence that one was
due there on the next day, when he "needed" one; and (2) since the size
of the earth and the latitude and longitude of the newly discovered
lands were so poorly known when Columbus was making his voyages (as
can be seen from the weird shape of the Americas on early 16th Century
maps), it would seem impossible that an eclipse over that portion of
the earth could have been predicted at all accurately. Still, maybe
it's true. If you **really** want to find out, you could write to the
Naval Observatory in Washington and ask whether any solar eclipses
would have occurred in that area while Columbus was shipwrecked there.
The astronomers in the Nautical Almanac Office are on the Government
payroll, so they're supposed to answer queries from taxpayers about
eclipses, meteor showers, cometary collisions, lunar skunk cabbage, etc.
(As shown in the typical Hollywood cliche' where the defense attourney
pulls out the Almanac, turns toward the witness box, and shouts, "It
says here that the moon HAD NOT YET RISEN on that night at the hour
when you claim you saw my client in the moonlight, running away from
the scene of the crime...")
Wilmer Rivers
"The Money Well", then he would be not only over 100 years old - he
would have to be about 120! Since the group of Beagle brothers in LO$
# 2 was born around 1855 - 1860 (their mother must have had her hands
full!), then Blackheart must have been born around 1835, which would
make him too old to be "Grandpa Beagle", assuming "The Money Well" takes
place about 1955. On the other hand, the brothers would be between 90
and 95 years old then, and that's why I assumed that one of them, not
their father, was Grandpa Beagle. In other words, I figured that the
Beagle brothers in LO$ # 2 were two generations removed from the 1955
gang, not just one generation.
As for the Columbus story about the eclipse, I had heard that too, but
I always assumed that it was just a legend taken from Mark Twain's use
of the same gimmick in his time-travel fantasy, "A Connecticut Yankee
in King Arthur's Court." I assumed this for 2 reasons: (1) given how
infrequently solar eclipses occur on any given part of the earth (even
partial eclipses), it would be one heck of a coincidence that one was
due there on the next day, when he "needed" one; and (2) since the size
of the earth and the latitude and longitude of the newly discovered
lands were so poorly known when Columbus was making his voyages (as
can be seen from the weird shape of the Americas on early 16th Century
maps), it would seem impossible that an eclipse over that portion of
the earth could have been predicted at all accurately. Still, maybe
it's true. If you **really** want to find out, you could write to the
Naval Observatory in Washington and ask whether any solar eclipses
would have occurred in that area while Columbus was shipwrecked there.
The astronomers in the Nautical Almanac Office are on the Government
payroll, so they're supposed to answer queries from taxpayers about
eclipses, meteor showers, cometary collisions, lunar skunk cabbage, etc.
(As shown in the typical Hollywood cliche' where the defense attourney
pulls out the Almanac, turns toward the witness box, and shouts, "It
says here that the moon HAD NOT YET RISEN on that night at the hour
when you claim you saw my client in the moonlight, running away from
the scene of the crime...")
Wilmer Rivers
Harry Fluks
Van Biegel and other Dutch stuff
Message 78 -
1994-08-29 at 22:24:48
Dwight Decker, about translating a Dutch story ("Het goud van Deckselsen
Duck", I assume):
> So I went with the Dutch background,
> assuming that if Donald could have Scottish ancestors, he could
> easily have Dutch ones as well.
In the Italian/German family tree, Donald has Spanish, Scottish, and
Dutch ancestors. In fact, Cornelius Coot is from Holland.
In Don Rosa's tree, Grandma Duck is a grandchild (or so) of Coot, but
I don't know if Don meant Coot to be Dutch (he didn't have a Dutch accent
when he got Fort Duckburgh..)
BTW, talking about Holland: Don, will we see young Scrooge selling wind
to the Dutch wind mills near the Zuyder Zee?
--Harry.
Duck", I assume):
> So I went with the Dutch background,
> assuming that if Donald could have Scottish ancestors, he could
> easily have Dutch ones as well.
In the Italian/German family tree, Donald has Spanish, Scottish, and
Dutch ancestors. In fact, Cornelius Coot is from Holland.
In Don Rosa's tree, Grandma Duck is a grandchild (or so) of Coot, but
I don't know if Don meant Coot to be Dutch (he didn't have a Dutch accent
when he got Fort Duckburgh..)
BTW, talking about Holland: Don, will we see young Scrooge selling wind
to the Dutch wind mills near the Zuyder Zee?
--Harry.
Ajd105
Egmont downunder?
Message 79 -
1994-08-30 at 04:30:24
Hi all, I just thought I would pass along an item I heard on our
national radio network last weekend. The basic gist of it (alas I heard
it through a barrage of questions from my 4 year old) was that Egmont
are setting up Egmont Australia to market comics here. The editorial
office will be in Sydney, and they will be producing comics here under
licence. The only comics specifically mentioned were Superman and the
Phantom (the latter has been in print here continuously for 50+ years
and is very popular), though they said "and others under negotiation".
The Australian produced comics would have dialogue changes "as
appropriate" to the local market. The examples they gave were changing
the word "barrack" as it appears in comics produced in the UK to
"heckle" or something similar, and changing the American term "rooting
for" to the Australian "barrack for". (Down here rooting has quite a
different slang meaning....) I assume they will also change things like
July=summer.
Now, being Egmont, the question is "Are they going to do Disney?"
Currently Gladstone comics are available here only from direct
importers, and are not distributed to the newsagents. I have made a
practice of asking newsagents innocently "don't they make Disney comics
anymore", in the hope of getting some interest going. Many of them say
"a lot of people ask that", or something similar, so maybe Egmont will
find a market there. I am going to try to find out more, but as yet, the
Sydney telephone exchange has no listing under "egmont". I'll keep you
informed.
Andrew Davies
national radio network last weekend. The basic gist of it (alas I heard
it through a barrage of questions from my 4 year old) was that Egmont
are setting up Egmont Australia to market comics here. The editorial
office will be in Sydney, and they will be producing comics here under
licence. The only comics specifically mentioned were Superman and the
Phantom (the latter has been in print here continuously for 50+ years
and is very popular), though they said "and others under negotiation".
The Australian produced comics would have dialogue changes "as
appropriate" to the local market. The examples they gave were changing
the word "barrack" as it appears in comics produced in the UK to
"heckle" or something similar, and changing the American term "rooting
for" to the Australian "barrack for". (Down here rooting has quite a
different slang meaning....) I assume they will also change things like
July=summer.
Now, being Egmont, the question is "Are they going to do Disney?"
Currently Gladstone comics are available here only from direct
importers, and are not distributed to the newsagents. I have made a
practice of asking newsagents innocently "don't they make Disney comics
anymore", in the hope of getting some interest going. Many of them say
"a lot of people ask that", or something similar, so maybe Egmont will
find a market there. I am going to try to find out more, but as yet, the
Sydney telephone exchange has no listing under "egmont". I'll keep you
informed.
Andrew Davies
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #418.
Message 80 -
1994-08-30 at 06:47:57
WILMER:
It was a LUNAR eclipse that Columbus predicted for the Jamaican
natives, if that makes a difference.
As for how old Grandpa Beagle is, yes, I know it's a problem,
but it's not one of my creation. In Barks' story of $crooge's riverboat
days, he shows Blackheart Beagle "and his brawling sons". I'm certain
Barks intended those sons to be the same Beagles that $crooge was
currently facing, and I knew I could get away with sticking one extra
generation in there when no one was looking, but not two. I guess I
could try to get away with rewording the dialogue in chapter 12 to say
that the old guy therein is "Pa Beagle" rather than "Grandpa"... but
this knocks the stuffing out of the point in using the character, as
well as my efforts in tying Blackheart and the "Grandpa" in "The Money
Well" all into the same framework. There was no room in $crooge's
history for him to be involved with FOUR generations of Beagles. I guess
I've just got myself stuck with a very OLD "Grandpa Beagle" -- I just
hope no readers try to add up his age.
HARRY:
Is my Coot Dutch? I guess he could be, if you like. Why not?
Maybe he had a Dutch accent in "His Majesty McDuck" -- it's hard enough
to show ANY sort of accent in written dialogue, much less a Disney comic
book where it's currently held as politically incorrect. Besides, I
wouldn't know what a Dutch accent sounds like anyway.
Yes, in chapter 11 of the "Lo$", when I am making sure that I
mention EVERY single job that Barks ever stated that $crooge performed
in his early years, I DO mention selling wind to the windmill makers
along the Zuyder Zee. But all I could do was mention it and pass over it
quickly -- it was the silliest aspect of $crooge's life that I forced
myself to deal with. I can see $crooge selling lawnmowers in Arabia,
whether they had a use for them... but $crooge can't sell wind any more
than he could have sold maps to Marco Polo as Barks once stated. But be
sure, I mentioned $crooge in Holland!
THORE:
We all know that Eric the Red (or Olaf the Blue) sailed to the
"New World", but I made sure I included "discovered and OPENED UP"
America when I referred to Columbus. Regardless of who found this
continent first, no one got it into the newspapers or on TV until
Columbus did so, that's why he's regarded as the true discoverer. To
discover something then LOSE it again doesn't count for much in the long
run.
It was a LUNAR eclipse that Columbus predicted for the Jamaican
natives, if that makes a difference.
As for how old Grandpa Beagle is, yes, I know it's a problem,
but it's not one of my creation. In Barks' story of $crooge's riverboat
days, he shows Blackheart Beagle "and his brawling sons". I'm certain
Barks intended those sons to be the same Beagles that $crooge was
currently facing, and I knew I could get away with sticking one extra
generation in there when no one was looking, but not two. I guess I
could try to get away with rewording the dialogue in chapter 12 to say
that the old guy therein is "Pa Beagle" rather than "Grandpa"... but
this knocks the stuffing out of the point in using the character, as
well as my efforts in tying Blackheart and the "Grandpa" in "The Money
Well" all into the same framework. There was no room in $crooge's
history for him to be involved with FOUR generations of Beagles. I guess
I've just got myself stuck with a very OLD "Grandpa Beagle" -- I just
hope no readers try to add up his age.
HARRY:
Is my Coot Dutch? I guess he could be, if you like. Why not?
Maybe he had a Dutch accent in "His Majesty McDuck" -- it's hard enough
to show ANY sort of accent in written dialogue, much less a Disney comic
book where it's currently held as politically incorrect. Besides, I
wouldn't know what a Dutch accent sounds like anyway.
Yes, in chapter 11 of the "Lo$", when I am making sure that I
mention EVERY single job that Barks ever stated that $crooge performed
in his early years, I DO mention selling wind to the windmill makers
along the Zuyder Zee. But all I could do was mention it and pass over it
quickly -- it was the silliest aspect of $crooge's life that I forced
myself to deal with. I can see $crooge selling lawnmowers in Arabia,
whether they had a use for them... but $crooge can't sell wind any more
than he could have sold maps to Marco Polo as Barks once stated. But be
sure, I mentioned $crooge in Holland!
THORE:
We all know that Eric the Red (or Olaf the Blue) sailed to the
"New World", but I made sure I included "discovered and OPENED UP"
America when I referred to Columbus. Regardless of who found this
continent first, no one got it into the newspapers or on TV until
Columbus did so, that's why he's regarded as the true discoverer. To
discover something then LOSE it again doesn't count for much in the long
run.
County Of LA - Lancaster
Ducks and mouse
Message 81 -
1994-08-30 at 08:36:32
About 12 years ago, I met Carl Barks at a booksellers convention. Had
an opportunity to tell him how much I had enjoyed his Ducks for many
years. Mr. Barks was very pleasant and chatted with me a bit about
his work on the ducks. He was kind enough to sign a poster advertising
a collection of Donald and Scrooge. (The poster is framed in my home).
I've been a fan of Donald and crew for a LONG TIME. I go so far back that
I used to subscribe to the original Walt Disney comics when Barks was
originally drawing and writing for it!
Some of the Duck adventures have an image in my mind that has lasted
forever. That bottomless hole with Scrooge's money in Christmas
for Shacktown! That dime that Donald gave him...which caused the cave-in!
Another image was those square eggs in "Lost in the Andes" Considering
I read these stories when VERY young...I was surprised how they have
stayed in memory. Collecting the Gladstone albums, it is a great joy
to re-read these CLASSICS. Speaking of Gladstone...always hoping
somehow, someway Donald would win over that lucky gander!
Concerning the MOUSE. I recently purchased some figures of Mickey,
Black Pete, Minnie, etc. from the "Mail Pilot" I understood that
there were to be figures made by the same company (JUSTOYS) of my
all time favorite Mickey story: "PHANTOM BLOT". Has anyone seen
these plastic figures? Know where they could be purchased?
Chuck Billodeaux
liblanc1 at cerf.net
(805) 948-5039
an opportunity to tell him how much I had enjoyed his Ducks for many
years. Mr. Barks was very pleasant and chatted with me a bit about
his work on the ducks. He was kind enough to sign a poster advertising
a collection of Donald and Scrooge. (The poster is framed in my home).
I've been a fan of Donald and crew for a LONG TIME. I go so far back that
I used to subscribe to the original Walt Disney comics when Barks was
originally drawing and writing for it!
Some of the Duck adventures have an image in my mind that has lasted
forever. That bottomless hole with Scrooge's money in Christmas
for Shacktown! That dime that Donald gave him...which caused the cave-in!
Another image was those square eggs in "Lost in the Andes" Considering
I read these stories when VERY young...I was surprised how they have
stayed in memory. Collecting the Gladstone albums, it is a great joy
to re-read these CLASSICS. Speaking of Gladstone...always hoping
somehow, someway Donald would win over that lucky gander!
Concerning the MOUSE. I recently purchased some figures of Mickey,
Black Pete, Minnie, etc. from the "Mail Pilot" I understood that
there were to be figures made by the same company (JUSTOYS) of my
all time favorite Mickey story: "PHANTOM BLOT". Has anyone seen
these plastic figures? Know where they could be purchased?
Chuck Billodeaux
liblanc1 at cerf.net
(805) 948-5039
Knut Hunstad
Disney-comics digest #418.
Message 82 -
1994-08-30 at 11:00:57
Just a little correction:
>THORE:
> We all know that Eric the Red (or Olaf the Blue) sailed to the
>"New World", but I made sure I included "discovered and OPENED UP"
His name was Leif Eriksson and recent discoveries seem to indicate he wasn't
the first either. Some irish monk (not 100% sure about that) was there
before him (and Asterix and Obelix where there around 50BC!). But if my
memory serves me right it should be well known by Barks fans that CC wasn't
first. Isn't that the basis of the whole "Golden Helmet" story? Can't wait
to get home and reread it, it has been too long...
Personally I think the whole discussion: "who was first" is totally
meaningless as long as the so-called "first" ones came to an inhabited land!
I think Don has a very good point in his specification: "opened up". CC was
the (last one, not first one?) who told the european part of the world that
there was another land over there. Whether some long forgotten viking had
been there before or not doesn't make _any_ difference to what an
achievement he made.
A word of defence for your suggestion, Don. Eric the Red _was_ an important
part of the viking era, but he never was in "Wineland".
P.S.: Trygve, I am trying to found out about your name...
Knut Hunstad
khun at veg.sintef.no
>THORE:
> We all know that Eric the Red (or Olaf the Blue) sailed to the
>"New World", but I made sure I included "discovered and OPENED UP"
His name was Leif Eriksson and recent discoveries seem to indicate he wasn't
the first either. Some irish monk (not 100% sure about that) was there
before him (and Asterix and Obelix where there around 50BC!). But if my
memory serves me right it should be well known by Barks fans that CC wasn't
first. Isn't that the basis of the whole "Golden Helmet" story? Can't wait
to get home and reread it, it has been too long...
Personally I think the whole discussion: "who was first" is totally
meaningless as long as the so-called "first" ones came to an inhabited land!
I think Don has a very good point in his specification: "opened up". CC was
the (last one, not first one?) who told the european part of the world that
there was another land over there. Whether some long forgotten viking had
been there before or not doesn't make _any_ difference to what an
achievement he made.
A word of defence for your suggestion, Don. Eric the Red _was_ an important
part of the viking era, but he never was in "Wineland".
P.S.: Trygve, I am trying to found out about your name...
Knut Hunstad
khun at veg.sintef.no
Mattias Hallin
Digest #418 and then some...
Message 83 -
1994-08-30 at 16:34:06
DON and WILMER:
Not necessarily doubting the veracity of your book on CC
(meaning Chris Columbus, not Coca Cola!), nor attempting to cast any shadow on
your research of various subjects, Wilmer's points about that eclipse made me
wanna ask a related question -- i.e. "how do you decide what is a good and
truthful book, when you're researching a subject?" Again: no disrespect
intended -- it's just that as a historian, reared to revere source-criticism
and have no other Gods beside it, I'm plain and semi-professionally interested
to know how you do you're reasoning about these kinda things.
Also, Don, I'm afraid I shall have to miss out on the Gothenburg fair, since
the college band I'm in celebrates it's 30th anniversary that same week-end,
and I'm likely/already ordered to have a fairly prominent part in the
concert(s), which means I will be tied up most of that week-end with
rehearsals, concerts (and the party). Stockholm is still an open question --
i.e. I don't know anything that'll keep me at home, but I have yet to organize a
party of people to share a car, or it'll get too expensive. It's also a spot of
a problem that NAFS(k)'s Fall Meeting is scheduled for two weeks
later, and I'm not yet sure I got either time or money to attend both events.
Well -- time'll have to tell; but I sure hope to be able to see you in
Stockholm at least. BTW -- will Ann come, too, this time? I'm not sure if
that's what you said when I visited, but I kinda got that impression.
All my best!
Mattias
**** Mattias Hallin ** Lund * Sweden ** <Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se> ****
* *
* "Oh bury me thar! With my battered git-tar! *
************** A-screamin' my heart out fer yew!" *************
Not necessarily doubting the veracity of your book on CC
(meaning Chris Columbus, not Coca Cola!), nor attempting to cast any shadow on
your research of various subjects, Wilmer's points about that eclipse made me
wanna ask a related question -- i.e. "how do you decide what is a good and
truthful book, when you're researching a subject?" Again: no disrespect
intended -- it's just that as a historian, reared to revere source-criticism
and have no other Gods beside it, I'm plain and semi-professionally interested
to know how you do you're reasoning about these kinda things.
Also, Don, I'm afraid I shall have to miss out on the Gothenburg fair, since
the college band I'm in celebrates it's 30th anniversary that same week-end,
and I'm likely/already ordered to have a fairly prominent part in the
concert(s), which means I will be tied up most of that week-end with
rehearsals, concerts (and the party). Stockholm is still an open question --
i.e. I don't know anything that'll keep me at home, but I have yet to organize a
party of people to share a car, or it'll get too expensive. It's also a spot of
a problem that NAFS(k)'s Fall Meeting is scheduled for two weeks
later, and I'm not yet sure I got either time or money to attend both events.
Well -- time'll have to tell; but I sure hope to be able to see you in
Stockholm at least. BTW -- will Ann come, too, this time? I'm not sure if
that's what you said when I visited, but I kinda got that impression.
All my best!
Mattias
**** Mattias Hallin ** Lund * Sweden ** <Mattias.Hallin at jurenh.lu.se> ****
* *
* "Oh bury me thar! With my battered git-tar! *
************** A-screamin' my heart out fer yew!" *************
Dwight Decker
Columbus, Dutch Disney, etc.
Message 84 -
1994-08-30 at 19:02:55
Just a little side-note to some of the discussion about Columbus,
Leif Ericsson, et al. For the last couple of hundred years, it
has been customary to say that Columbus "discovered" America.
At least he was the one who made it stick. The Viking colony
in presentday Canada died out and was forgotten by the time
Columbus sailed. There have been interesting theories proposed
that others may have reached America before Columbus (not
implausible, since the Americas are a little hard to miss if
you sail west from Europe far enough, so historically unrecorded
voyages could have ended up here every once in a while for
centuries), but so far as I know there isn't any firm proof. I've
also seen an argument that America could not have been discovered
much before Columbus due to limitations on sailing ship technology
and navigational techniques, at least taking the southerly route
he did that required a great amount of time out of sight of land.
The Vikings had lousier weather to contend with, but had islands
along the way for pit stops. On the other hand, I think I read
that the Portuguese discovered Brazil almost by accident not long
after Columbus, so once European ships reached a certain level and
were ranging further and further than before, discovery of the New
World by somebody, if not Columbus, was just about inevitable.
Unfortunately, there's been a sudden flurry of controversy
lately about the word "discover." Certain political and social
reformers have decided that the word "discover" is Politically
Incorrect (reasoning that the Native Americans were already here,
and to say Columbus discovered them is to be guilty of Europe-
centered bias). I'm not sure what the proper term is supposed to
be, but I have seen "encounter." Columbus encountered America
Oh
brother...
Being a hide-bound traditionalist myself, I'm not exactly
anxious to adopt the new terminology.
This is getting far away from Disney stuf', so I'll close with
a note to Harry Fluks. Gee, you're good! You guessed exactly which
Dutch Donald Duck story I recently translated for Gladstone on the
basis of just a scant few clues. Amazing.
Leif Ericsson, et al. For the last couple of hundred years, it
has been customary to say that Columbus "discovered" America.
At least he was the one who made it stick. The Viking colony
in presentday Canada died out and was forgotten by the time
Columbus sailed. There have been interesting theories proposed
that others may have reached America before Columbus (not
implausible, since the Americas are a little hard to miss if
you sail west from Europe far enough, so historically unrecorded
voyages could have ended up here every once in a while for
centuries), but so far as I know there isn't any firm proof. I've
also seen an argument that America could not have been discovered
much before Columbus due to limitations on sailing ship technology
and navigational techniques, at least taking the southerly route
he did that required a great amount of time out of sight of land.
The Vikings had lousier weather to contend with, but had islands
along the way for pit stops. On the other hand, I think I read
that the Portuguese discovered Brazil almost by accident not long
after Columbus, so once European ships reached a certain level and
were ranging further and further than before, discovery of the New
World by somebody, if not Columbus, was just about inevitable.
Unfortunately, there's been a sudden flurry of controversy
lately about the word "discover." Certain political and social
reformers have decided that the word "discover" is Politically
Incorrect (reasoning that the Native Americans were already here,
and to say Columbus discovered them is to be guilty of Europe-
centered bias). I'm not sure what the proper term is supposed to
be, but I have seen "encounter." Columbus encountered America
Oh
brother...
Being a hide-bound traditionalist myself, I'm not exactly
anxious to adopt the new terminology.
This is getting far away from Disney stuf', so I'll close with
a note to Harry Fluks. Gee, you're good! You guessed exactly which
Dutch Donald Duck story I recently translated for Gladstone on the
basis of just a scant few clues. Amazing.
Harry Fluks
Dutch stuff
Message 85 -
1994-08-30 at 19:42:04
Don:
> Is my Coot Dutch?
> Maybe he had a Dutch accent in "His Majesty McDuck" -- it's hard enough
> to show ANY sort of accent in written dialogue
You mean the weird-spelled American English of Cornelius Coot does NOT
indicate an American accent? Just indicates Coot couldn't spell?
And Barks at least once tried to write English with a (pseudo-)Dutch accent:
in "Darkest Africa" the villain impersonated "Brofessor Van Tulip vrom
Rotterdam".
> Yes, in chapter 11 [..] I DO mention selling wind to the windmill
> makers along the Zuyder Zee.
In the 17th century, there were so many windmills in certain parts of
Holland, that the counts (or dukes or whoever ruled the country)
introduced the 'right to use the wind'. If a mill was too close to
another, that mill didn't have any wind left, so some regulation was
needed. Millers could *buy* the right to use the wind from the count,
so one could say the count was *selling wind*. Maybe some of the old
wind rights were still active in the 19th century, and Scrooge somehow
got them... But in the steam and electrisicky age, wind wasn't scarce
anymore.
(BTW: I have to dig deep to find out where I heard or read the above...)
--Harry.
> Is my Coot Dutch?
> Maybe he had a Dutch accent in "His Majesty McDuck" -- it's hard enough
> to show ANY sort of accent in written dialogue
You mean the weird-spelled American English of Cornelius Coot does NOT
indicate an American accent? Just indicates Coot couldn't spell?
And Barks at least once tried to write English with a (pseudo-)Dutch accent:
in "Darkest Africa" the villain impersonated "Brofessor Van Tulip vrom
Rotterdam".
> Yes, in chapter 11 [..] I DO mention selling wind to the windmill
> makers along the Zuyder Zee.
In the 17th century, there were so many windmills in certain parts of
Holland, that the counts (or dukes or whoever ruled the country)
introduced the 'right to use the wind'. If a mill was too close to
another, that mill didn't have any wind left, so some regulation was
needed. Millers could *buy* the right to use the wind from the count,
so one could say the count was *selling wind*. Maybe some of the old
wind rights were still active in the 19th century, and Scrooge somehow
got them... But in the steam and electrisicky age, wind wasn't scarce
anymore.
(BTW: I have to dig deep to find out where I heard or read the above...)
--Harry.
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #419.
Message 86 -
1994-08-31 at 06:36:06
MATTIAS:
If I go/come to Scandanavia for the nearly two weeks that I was
asked, Ann would come during the first week, then go home early, before
Stockholm. 2 weeks is too long for me to leave her alone, and it's too
long for her to be away from work or leave our home unattended. It's too
much time for me to be off work also, but I might figure out some sort
of creative (?) ways to earn some cash to make up for the lost work
which I can't easilly afford.
But let's see if Egmont-Sweden ever gets back in touch with me.
I only talked to them that one time and haven't heard from them since.
Say, you would do me a favor if you mentioned to Stefan that I'm
wondering if I'm still invited to Sweden, and that he might mention to
someone at the office that it would be great if I had a hint that it was
still on.
THORE:
Right -- it was Leif, Eric the Red's SON, not Eric. I always get
confused... and I blame Barks! Since I grew up with Olaf the Blue having
discovered America, it always causes me to think that the true guy was
Eric the Red. But Eric probably never got past Greenland, eh?
But the Irish monk you're thinking about is Brendan who amatuer
historians like to imagine sailed to America in the 5th century AD. I'm
very familiar with all the nutball theories about early crossers of the
Atlantic, and this is one of them. There's absolutely no evidence
whatsoever -- but a folktale about Brendan tells nonsensical tall tales
of lands to the west which are infinitely more likely to simply be tall
tales. However, in my "Golden Helmet" sequel, Brendan is treated as an
actual early voyager to America -- I tell tall tales too.
DWIGHT:
Yes, we should apologize to people for all this non-Disney talk
of Columbus, et. al. However, to me it's very MUCH Disney since it's the
subject of my current Duck story -- therefore, I'm easilly coerced into
discussing it.
Aside from Leif Erickson and Brendan, there was also the Welsh
Prince Madoc who supposedly discovered America and set up colonies on
the Mississippi in 1170, one of them right here in Louisville! And the
Chinese monk Hui-Shen who wrote of sailing to a New World in the east
in 459 AD, and visiting a huge city which wacky historians have decided
was the pre-Aztec, pre-Mayan, city of Teotihuacan. Then there are other
wack-o theories about Mediterranean ships being blown across the sea,
most popular of which is that the Phoenician explorer Prince Hanno rowed
to America in 425 BC; there's actually some evidence of this in a stone
with Punic writing found on Cape Cod in the 1600's by a native (which
would seem to make it unlikely to be a hoax?). Also, you mention the
Portuguese -- they actually DO claim, officially, that their explorers
had discovered Florida and the Indies 20 years before Columbus, but that
they kept it a secret since they would have been unable to prevent
Spain's invading their new discovery.
Anyway, with my usual overkill, I make use of ALL of these
stories in my new Duck adventure. And people who find all these tales
of Europeans "discovering" land where natives had already lived for
12,000 years will probably like my ending.
If I go/come to Scandanavia for the nearly two weeks that I was
asked, Ann would come during the first week, then go home early, before
Stockholm. 2 weeks is too long for me to leave her alone, and it's too
long for her to be away from work or leave our home unattended. It's too
much time for me to be off work also, but I might figure out some sort
of creative (?) ways to earn some cash to make up for the lost work
which I can't easilly afford.
But let's see if Egmont-Sweden ever gets back in touch with me.
I only talked to them that one time and haven't heard from them since.
Say, you would do me a favor if you mentioned to Stefan that I'm
wondering if I'm still invited to Sweden, and that he might mention to
someone at the office that it would be great if I had a hint that it was
still on.
THORE:
Right -- it was Leif, Eric the Red's SON, not Eric. I always get
confused... and I blame Barks! Since I grew up with Olaf the Blue having
discovered America, it always causes me to think that the true guy was
Eric the Red. But Eric probably never got past Greenland, eh?
But the Irish monk you're thinking about is Brendan who amatuer
historians like to imagine sailed to America in the 5th century AD. I'm
very familiar with all the nutball theories about early crossers of the
Atlantic, and this is one of them. There's absolutely no evidence
whatsoever -- but a folktale about Brendan tells nonsensical tall tales
of lands to the west which are infinitely more likely to simply be tall
tales. However, in my "Golden Helmet" sequel, Brendan is treated as an
actual early voyager to America -- I tell tall tales too.
DWIGHT:
Yes, we should apologize to people for all this non-Disney talk
of Columbus, et. al. However, to me it's very MUCH Disney since it's the
subject of my current Duck story -- therefore, I'm easilly coerced into
discussing it.
Aside from Leif Erickson and Brendan, there was also the Welsh
Prince Madoc who supposedly discovered America and set up colonies on
the Mississippi in 1170, one of them right here in Louisville! And the
Chinese monk Hui-Shen who wrote of sailing to a New World in the east
in 459 AD, and visiting a huge city which wacky historians have decided
was the pre-Aztec, pre-Mayan, city of Teotihuacan. Then there are other
wack-o theories about Mediterranean ships being blown across the sea,
most popular of which is that the Phoenician explorer Prince Hanno rowed
to America in 425 BC; there's actually some evidence of this in a stone
with Punic writing found on Cape Cod in the 1600's by a native (which
would seem to make it unlikely to be a hoax?). Also, you mention the
Portuguese -- they actually DO claim, officially, that their explorers
had discovered Florida and the Indies 20 years before Columbus, but that
they kept it a secret since they would have been unable to prevent
Spain's invading their new discovery.
Anyway, with my usual overkill, I make use of ALL of these
stories in my new Duck adventure. And people who find all these tales
of Europeans "discovering" land where natives had already lived for
12,000 years will probably like my ending.
Anders Engwall
Tramp, Tramp, Tramp
Message 87 -
1994-08-31 at 14:32:05
David Gerstein wrote:
> ROC announced that "the hillbilly character - a.k.a.
> 'Urtigao'/'Skogs-Ola' and 'Jesper Skauen' - in Denmark is (or should I say
> 'was'?) called 'Habakuk', which could be his, although misspelt, original
> name. A Strobl story in AA&Co. #27/1969 also mentions his friend Amos -
> not a very common name in Danish."
>
> So it was a STROBL story? An S-coded story, then? This means that
> it was originally made in English! So this tramp DOES have an English
> name. If someone can give me the code for the SHORTEST GOOD S-story with
> this tramp, I can see if Gladstone wants to order it and find out the name
> -- and then presumably use it.
I'd like to help here, but story codes weren't printed in Sweden until mid-
1972, and unfortunately the most and the best of the Hillbilly Character
stories were printed here in 1969 (and one in 1971). There are -- as far as
I know -- only two HBC stories published *with* codes; S 1055 (KA&Co #7/1974),
where HBC helps the Junior Woodchucks take a picture of a rare bird, and
S 74146 (KA&Co #7/1976), where Daisy is a police officer looking for a chicken
thief who has escaped from prison and who she suspects is hiding at HBC's place.
None of these is anything I'd recommend for reprinting, though the latter is
certainly the better of the two.
There aren't that many HBC stories overall. Apart from the two above, I have
found only six. These are OTOH really good, and I'd recommend them without hesi-
tation if only I had the codes and if some of them weren't a bit long (up to
12 pages). Anyway, here they are, listed by their Swedish appearances:
KA&Co #27/1969 ('Skogs-Ola i skolan') - 10 pages
This is the one ROC mentioned, where US is about to cut a business deal with
HBC, but discovers HBC can neither read nor sign the contract as he is
illiterate.
KA&Co #33/1969 ('En macklande maklare') - 12 pages
US wants to buy HBC's estate to build a summer house on, and which estate
agent does he turn to if not Feathry? Due to a little white lie from Feathry,
HBC comes under the impression that US wants to buy his dog...
KA&Co #39/1969 ('Pang i skogen') - 7 pages
US opens up a restaurant with HBC -- who is rumoured to be a good cook --
in the countryside. Feathry handles the advertising - too well, as it turns
out.
KA&Co #42/1969 ('Det nappar') - 11 pages
US and DD on a fishing-and-hunting vacation trip. The hotel where they're
staying turns out to be managed by Feathry, much to their dismay. Feathry
guides them on a day trip, but unfortunately they all miss the sign that says
that they are entering land owned by HBC where "fishin', huntin' and basically
everything is strictly forbidden". HBC discovers them and goes after them with
his trusty old shotgun...
The other HBC stories are drawn by Strobl, but this is by someone I
haven't been able to identify. It also features a possible clue to HBC's name
in English! The prohibition sign mentioned is signed by 'Skogs-Ola', as it
would in Sweden, but *also* by some 'Moe'. Could it be that the Swedish editor
forgot to erase the original English signature, and that HBC's original
name is 'Moe'?...
KA&Co #46/1969 ('Antikhandlarna') - 9 pages
US, DD and Feathry tours the countryside searching for antiques. They first
try buying from HBC.
KA&Co #3/1971 ('Den dyra vagen till framgang') - 6 pages
Feathry is in the music business this time, and brings HBC to town to launch
him as a folk singer. In a restaurant, HBC sings a hog-calling song that un-
fortunately really works... Oink!!! If the code can be obtained, this is the
one to go for.
As the song goes -- is that all there is?
Anders Engwall Email: Anders.Engwall at eua.ericsson.se
ELLEMTEL Utvecklings AB Voice: +46 8 727 3893
[lvsj|, Sweden Fax: +46 8 727 42 20
endremin saxassa flumen flobollala / feilobasch falljada follidi / flumbasch
> ROC announced that "the hillbilly character - a.k.a.
> 'Urtigao'/'Skogs-Ola' and 'Jesper Skauen' - in Denmark is (or should I say
> 'was'?) called 'Habakuk', which could be his, although misspelt, original
> name. A Strobl story in AA&Co. #27/1969 also mentions his friend Amos -
> not a very common name in Danish."
>
> So it was a STROBL story? An S-coded story, then? This means that
> it was originally made in English! So this tramp DOES have an English
> name. If someone can give me the code for the SHORTEST GOOD S-story with
> this tramp, I can see if Gladstone wants to order it and find out the name
> -- and then presumably use it.
I'd like to help here, but story codes weren't printed in Sweden until mid-
1972, and unfortunately the most and the best of the Hillbilly Character
stories were printed here in 1969 (and one in 1971). There are -- as far as
I know -- only two HBC stories published *with* codes; S 1055 (KA&Co #7/1974),
where HBC helps the Junior Woodchucks take a picture of a rare bird, and
S 74146 (KA&Co #7/1976), where Daisy is a police officer looking for a chicken
thief who has escaped from prison and who she suspects is hiding at HBC's place.
None of these is anything I'd recommend for reprinting, though the latter is
certainly the better of the two.
There aren't that many HBC stories overall. Apart from the two above, I have
found only six. These are OTOH really good, and I'd recommend them without hesi-
tation if only I had the codes and if some of them weren't a bit long (up to
12 pages). Anyway, here they are, listed by their Swedish appearances:
KA&Co #27/1969 ('Skogs-Ola i skolan') - 10 pages
This is the one ROC mentioned, where US is about to cut a business deal with
HBC, but discovers HBC can neither read nor sign the contract as he is
illiterate.
KA&Co #33/1969 ('En macklande maklare') - 12 pages
US wants to buy HBC's estate to build a summer house on, and which estate
agent does he turn to if not Feathry? Due to a little white lie from Feathry,
HBC comes under the impression that US wants to buy his dog...
KA&Co #39/1969 ('Pang i skogen') - 7 pages
US opens up a restaurant with HBC -- who is rumoured to be a good cook --
in the countryside. Feathry handles the advertising - too well, as it turns
out.
KA&Co #42/1969 ('Det nappar') - 11 pages
US and DD on a fishing-and-hunting vacation trip. The hotel where they're
staying turns out to be managed by Feathry, much to their dismay. Feathry
guides them on a day trip, but unfortunately they all miss the sign that says
that they are entering land owned by HBC where "fishin', huntin' and basically
everything is strictly forbidden". HBC discovers them and goes after them with
his trusty old shotgun...
The other HBC stories are drawn by Strobl, but this is by someone I
haven't been able to identify. It also features a possible clue to HBC's name
in English! The prohibition sign mentioned is signed by 'Skogs-Ola', as it
would in Sweden, but *also* by some 'Moe'. Could it be that the Swedish editor
forgot to erase the original English signature, and that HBC's original
name is 'Moe'?...
KA&Co #46/1969 ('Antikhandlarna') - 9 pages
US, DD and Feathry tours the countryside searching for antiques. They first
try buying from HBC.
KA&Co #3/1971 ('Den dyra vagen till framgang') - 6 pages
Feathry is in the music business this time, and brings HBC to town to launch
him as a folk singer. In a restaurant, HBC sings a hog-calling song that un-
fortunately really works... Oink!!! If the code can be obtained, this is the
one to go for.
As the song goes -- is that all there is?
Anders Engwall Email: Anders.Engwall at eua.ericsson.se
ELLEMTEL Utvecklings AB Voice: +46 8 727 3893
[lvsj|, Sweden Fax: +46 8 727 42 20
endremin saxassa flumen flobollala / feilobasch falljada follidi / flumbasch
Thore Harald Hoye
Disney-comics digest #419.
Message 88 -
1994-08-31 at 16:46:19
On 30 Aug 1994, Don Rosa wrote:
> THORE:
> Right -- it was Leif, Eric the Red's SON, not Eric. I always get
Well, actually it was another Norwegian guy who wrote that second letter.
Anyway, I do agree that Columbus deserves the honor for making it
'known', but besides from that, I consider the indians as the ones who
discovered it. But maybe we should stop wasting bandwith and your money
on this discussion.
--
Only usable address: thorehh at stud.hedmarkdh.no
> THORE:
> Right -- it was Leif, Eric the Red's SON, not Eric. I always get
Well, actually it was another Norwegian guy who wrote that second letter.
Anyway, I do agree that Columbus deserves the honor for making it
'known', but besides from that, I consider the indians as the ones who
discovered it. But maybe we should stop wasting bandwith and your money
on this discussion.
--
Only usable address: thorehh at stud.hedmarkdh.no