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BJORN, EVEN, others:
How silly of me not to realize that it's the original English
poetry I wrote for "The War of the Wendigo" that you were interested in!
It's to see that script used that I'm anxious to someday see that story
used in America.
But others would like to see the original art as well, since
that story will very likely never be seen in America. Now we're talking
of many people wanting a set of copies which would be 28 pages of script
with 56 half-pages of art, totaling 84 pages!!! Not to mention the fact
that Egmont would not want me to be sending out this material, and
(though it's a small concern) Disney would regard it as both a copyrite
infringement and an embarrassment involving a banned story.
Please... let's just forget that story exists until it can
someday be properly printed in America?

RoC:
What is this "Egmont complete edition" you mention? Edition of
what?
"Horsing Around with History" is not based on a painting. It is
supposedly based on an idea for a painting which does not exist and
probably never will.

JAMES:
Barks' 1970s JWW scripts were done as scribbled lay-out pages on
type-writer paper, the same way I do my scripts now. I call them
"storyboard scripts" for lack of a better description. They showed the
characters poses and expressions, but were not intended to be "inked",
and cannot be inked per se. The stories were drawn by Kay Wright and
published in HUEY DEWEY AND LOUIE - JUNIOR WOODCHUCKS back in the
mid-70s.
However, Barks "storyboard scripts" were done carefully enough
that they can be inked after a fashion. Jippes must have enlarged copies
made then place them on a light-box beneath his paper; then he can trace
the shapes and positions of the character poses, after which he must add
all his own backgrounds and details. So what you have is NOT inked
version of Barks pencils, but artwork that depicts the story exactly as
Barks planned it rather than how Gold Key produced their versions 20
years ago (which did not adhere to the lay-outs very carefully).
Barks kept copies (or originals) of the scripts and these were
what were used in reproducing the scripts; either the editors obtained
copies from the people that Barks sold them to or from somebody like
Bruce Hamilton who has copies of most everything from Barks' files.

RE. DICK MOORES:
Why would Dick Moore's comic strip work look so much better than
his Disney comics? As you should be able to gather by now, working on
Disney comics encourages one to do poor work rather than good work.
There's no point in putting much effort into Disney comics when one's
efforts are stolen by the system. The differences are Barks, due to his
old-fashioned work ethic... or some nitwit like me who puts the effort
in for his own enjoyment despite the evils of the white-slavery system.

RoC> Ain't it about time we got a creator hoozoo on ftp too?

Just as the ftp archive always welcomes informational files on various
characters (to put in the subdirectory "characters") it informational
files on various creators are welcome. (Presumably in a new
subdirectory.) I don't see the need for any special administration
for something like that. All that is needed is texts that *stand on
their own* to put there. Most of the information that pops up on this
mailing list is in the form of a question somewhere answered somewhere
else with some clarification yet somewhere else, and the answers are
mostly just parts of longer messages dealing with lots of other stuff
as well. That means that making such informational files to keep
takes some editing...

Apropos the ftp archive I've updated the big log files containing all
list traffic, *except* that the file for April this year is
incomplete! I'm awfully sorry about my clumsiness that led to this,
but I'm almost positive I will be able to add the missing part of it
later by going throw my old mail files.

I'm a bit behind with my reading. Not only on this list, but also on
Disney comics. Recently I read the reprint of "This is your life,
Donald Duck" in Donald And Mickey #25 and could with my own eyes see
what I already been alerted to by a notice in NAFS(k)'s newsletter:
The editors had decided to

1) replace Strobl's retelling of what happened in Barks's WDC 141
with "the real stuff", that is actual images from WDC 141.

2) make those Barksian pie-cuts on the eyes.

I strongly object to this disrespect for the original artwork. Sure,
Barks was a better artist than Strobl, but that's no reason at all to
remake Strobl's art to make it more Barksian.

And by the way... Karl-Erik resent a message writing
> This message bounced back, so I will try and post it again:

99 times out of 100 such bounces just mean that one (or two...)
subscriber(s) didn't get the message. (The bounce message is supposed
to tell you which one.) The best thing you can do about it is to
forward that bounce message to me. The next best thing you can do
about it is to ignore it.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"

I have a new employer (some other pedartment of the Dutch telephone and mail
company), and a new e-mail address. This also means I have gone into
"Mattias-mode": I only receive the Digests here, and my mails may be delayed
a little (one mail from this address last week was delayed more than a day!)

I hope I don't talk about things that others have already mentioned by the
time this mail arrives...

Now to the digest:

OLE about Moe, the Hillbilly character:
> He doesn't have neither beak nor blot-nose. Unless his
> down-to-his-knees-beard hide a pair of dog ears, that makes him a
> close relative to homo sapiens, another 'missing link'.

Now I'm 100% sure I have never seen this character anywhere.

Ole quotes Mikko:
> > Can you give some codes of [Ben Verhagen's] stories?

I have tried to send a new version of the Disney comics Database to Per,
so that he can put it on ftp.lysator.liu.se. This time also the C-sources
are available (bugs included...). I guess we'll hear more about it when
Per succeeds to unzip my files...

One easy thing to do is to make a complete list of Verhagen's (or any
other artist's) work. Mikko: if you want one, I can send it to you.

> "Bedank Fluks maar! Hij heeft het grote werk gedaan!"

8-)
Actually, this quote ("Thanks to Fluks! He's done most of the work!") is from
a Bucky Bug story recently published in Dutch DD, where a character appears
named "Fluks Vingervlug". Fluks is his FIRST name, so this insect cannot be
related to me... (The Dutch word 'fluks' means 'quickly'.)

DON:
Would it be OK if I typed in the Wendigo poem here on the list? Am I
violating any copyrights if I copy the text of a part of an unpublished
story?

JO/RGEN, and others:

The original Junior Woodchucks scripts by Barks were drawn by Kay Wright
and Tony Strobl. Strobl once said in an interview that Barks' scripts were
so worked out that he could almost trace them.
I think the original penciled pages were returned to Barks by his editor.
Barks then signed them, cleaned up some "sloppy art", and sold them or gave
them away.
Most of the penciled pages were published in the Carl Barks Library.
THESE VERSIONS were used by the Dutch editor: they gave Jippes
photocopies from the CBL. Jippes enlarged them a lot, re-penciled them and
then inked them. Though the first two stories got codes H 9201 and H 9202,
they were already finished in October, 1991.

--Harry.
(fluks at pcssdc.pttnwb.nl)

The list log files at the ftp archive (ftp.lysator.liu.se:pub/comics/disney)
are now complete up to and including September. The month that was
lost (April this year) is now complete in two parts, the second part
being made up from saved digests.
--
your list administrator

HARRY:
You want to post the "Wendigo poem" on the Digest? What do you
mean by that? The entire script of Peeweegah dialogue???
If that's what you actually mean, it would be fine with me...
but where would you get it? Did I send you a copy at some point? Of
course, you couldn't get it from just translating the Dutch version.
I think that it would be a waste of space if it weren't
accompanied by the rest of the story and art, don't you? I mean, the
greatest funnybook dialogue isn't much without the pictures.
Would it be a copyright infringement? If a Disney lawyer ever
saw it and wanted to cause trouble, you can be certain that it could be
easilly proven that it's a copyright infringement. You could be certain
that they could prove that every time we say "Disney", it's a copyright
infringement, if they took a mind to.
In short, do it if you want to, but if I were you I wouldn't.

OK, so HAWH is published in Norway? Well, it sure isn't in Sweden.
So, then: How many pages is the first part? How many will the second
be? What's the code? Was it published in Denmark or Finland? And as
soon as I have that info I PROMISE that I will send out the new
version of the Van Horn index.

It seems that several of my messages lately have never arrived to
the list, probably due to some local problem. I can just scream out
my agony and assure you that you didn't miss anything of importance,
except that I notified of my new email address: ekman at lysator.liu.se.
In response to a request from Don, I also wrote about how to send
mail from CompuServe to a specified address on the Internet. Don; do
you still need that information?

/Fredrik

FREDRIK:
Just so you won't think your latest message was lost: yes, I
received your message about addressing E-mail.

The "index" directory at the ftp archive of the list now contains the
new extended improved index files.

Here Harry has gathered more or less every Disney comics index we have
had on this list in a single framework. Thanks a lot, Harry! For the
first time the source form of the indeces are there too, in the
"index/original" directory, and Harry's programs to make readable
index files out of those in the "index/src" directory.

But the normal way to use this would be to only look at the files in
the "index" directory. The indeces include listings of all
comics and covers by Carl Barks, Don Rosa, and William Van Horn;
information on where a story with a specific code was (re)printed;
listings of story by story in the comics issued by Gladstone and
Disney Comics, and also lots of older Western stories, as well as
Dutch and Swedish Disney comics.

-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"