PER:
Ehapa IS Egmont. Didn't you know? Or do you mean that you think
the job will be better done by the album-publishing branch rather than
the comic-publishing branch? Even if that's what you mean, I don't think
you're right. Ehapa is publishing the German "Don Rosa Library" album
series, and though they do have it hand-lettered, that's the only
difference between the comics version and the album version of those
same stories. The lettering is hand-done, but it's not all that good,
and the letterer still doesn't make any attempt to letter signs and
background details in any other style than that used in the dialogue
balloons (which looks really stupid). They use the same coloring, which
is completely uninspired (though well printed). And they are just as
careless... the latest edition has a large sign on the cover which they
didn't bother to put the intended lettering on, so it's just staring at
you totally blank.
But they DO give me credit for my work.
But they don't pay me royalties for the use of that work, just
like the comics people. (Or, to be fair, it's Disney that doesn't send
me my share of the royalties that are paid them for the use of my work).
MATTIAS:
I'm pretty sure we knew that Ann wasn't coming to Scandanavia
when you visited here. Or maybe we only thought she might not. Or maybe
we never happened to discuss that trip? Anyway, after you left, I think
she said you'd maentioned maybe showing her around somemore like you did
on that other trip, and I asked her is she had told you that she
wouldn't or might not be coming, and she said she hadn't for some
reason. Anyway, if I had known that she would end up not coming, I
wouldn't have agreed to go to the Stockholm convention, not that I don't
wish to, but it's just too long for her to stay home by herself.
But I'd like you to help me out here on something else. Give me
a list of the names of all the Duck fans in your group who I've met in
Sweden on my previous trips (besides you and Stefan) along with some
very brief description. I meet so many people at once, and they all have
such unusual (to an American) names that I never can call them all to
mind, and I hate to seem rude! I'll make a note of what you tell me so
that I can "study" it a bit.
And yes, I don't see why we can't just say something like:
"Mattias -- in reference to what you said about those plastic
monkies, I think that blah blah blah". I can't see a reason to ever
reprint people's actual messages even in part. But I hope it can be kept
down to a bare minimum at least. In any case, there's never a reason to
reprint more than a single line or so.
Author
Topic: 199410
(172 messages)
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #464.
Message 91 -
1994-10-17 at 14:51:56
Jon Cato Lorentzen
Various
Message 92 -
1994-10-17 at 15:38:23
JOERGEN ANDREAS BANGO MENTIONED A TEXT BOOK ABOUT DONALD DUCK:
I also saw this book at my local comic-store, but after flipping through it
for a couple of seconds, I soon found out that it was not about the Barks DD,
but a very Disney-like DD. It seemed to be aimed at kids.
FETHRY & STORY CODES:
In Norwegian DD&CO nr.38/94, there was a Story with Fethry on page 27. This
story looked like it was drawn recently, and as David was told us Egmont won't
use Fethry any more, I tried to find the story code, but couldn't! Very
strange. In the frame of this page, there is also written "color: white
coat". Guess the artist wrote this, and the editors forgot to erase it.
Oh, by the way: those who have this issue, check out the bottom of the page,
where you will find mentioned a member of this list :)
LIFE OF SCROOGE:
Is that Bruce Hamiltons signature on the check on page 1? Didn't the check
have Carl Barks signature in the Egmont printing of this story? I may be far
off here, but as my comic collection is 1800 km away, I can't check it.
-Jon C. Lorentzen
-University of Oslo
I also saw this book at my local comic-store, but after flipping through it
for a couple of seconds, I soon found out that it was not about the Barks DD,
but a very Disney-like DD. It seemed to be aimed at kids.
FETHRY & STORY CODES:
In Norwegian DD&CO nr.38/94, there was a Story with Fethry on page 27. This
story looked like it was drawn recently, and as David was told us Egmont won't
use Fethry any more, I tried to find the story code, but couldn't! Very
strange. In the frame of this page, there is also written "color: white
coat". Guess the artist wrote this, and the editors forgot to erase it.
Oh, by the way: those who have this issue, check out the bottom of the page,
where you will find mentioned a member of this list :)
LIFE OF SCROOGE:
Is that Bruce Hamiltons signature on the check on page 1? Didn't the check
have Carl Barks signature in the Egmont printing of this story? I may be far
off here, but as my comic collection is 1800 km away, I can't check it.
-Jon C. Lorentzen
-University of Oslo
DAVID.A.GERSTEIN
Disney-comics digest #461.
Message 93 -
1994-10-17 at 17:33:24
Dear Folks,
I found out that my local comic shop *did* get WDC&S 594,
*failed* to reserve it for me, and *sold* it to someone *else!* The
only shop in town that gets Gladstones!!! So if someone has a copy
of that comic which they can send to me, and does so, in exchange
they can have a copy of the British Disney weekly. Roll up, roll
up... and if one of you goes for this offer, then also post a note to
the Digest saying so, so that others will know the offer's closed
then. Thanks, gang!
David Gerstein
I found out that my local comic shop *did* get WDC&S 594,
*failed* to reserve it for me, and *sold* it to someone *else!* The
only shop in town that gets Gladstones!!! So if someone has a copy
of that comic which they can send to me, and does so, in exchange
they can have a copy of the British Disney weekly. Roll up, roll
up... and if one of you goes for this offer, then also post a note to
the Digest saying so, so that others will know the offer's closed
then. Thanks, gang!
David Gerstein
Mark Semich
Disney-comics digest #461.
Message 94 -
1994-10-17 at 17:39:15
>From: "DAVID.A.GERSTEIN" <9475609 at arran.sms.edinburgh.ac.uk>
>... So if someone has a copy
>of that comic which they can send to me, and does so, in exchange
>they can have a copy of the British Disney weekly.
David, I'd be *more* than happy to do this. My local store has a
stack of WDC&S 594, and I'd love to be able to see the British Disney
Weekly. I was in London last May, visited all of the comic book shops
I could find, and not only could I not find *any* disney comic books
over there, I was told by all the shop employees that such comic books
didn't even exist!
>... So if someone has a copy
>of that comic which they can send to me, and does so, in exchange
>they can have a copy of the British Disney weekly.
David, I'd be *more* than happy to do this. My local store has a
stack of WDC&S 594, and I'd love to be able to see the British Disney
Weekly. I was in London last May, visited all of the comic book shops
I could find, and not only could I not find *any* disney comic books
over there, I was told by all the shop employees that such comic books
didn't even exist!
DAVID.A.GERSTEIN
Cuts in USA D-stories
Message 95 -
1994-10-17 at 18:27:53
Dear Folks,
It's common knowledge that Gladstone sometimes trims an Egmont
story slightly when using it in the States. It's often done to
remove a very redundant splash panel in a story that was originally
two parts, in which case a few other panels are taken out to
facilitate removal of an entire page. Sometimes a story simply works
better when trimmed (for example, on dialoguing one Vicar story, I
myself chose to eliminate a page since I felt it slowed the story
down and was completely unnecessary). But looking through our
Database, I noticed a few stories that were much more severely
chopped. I had noticed a few telltale signs (i. e. two panels the
width of the page clustered together in the middle, whereas one
originally finished off a page and another started it). But I never
knew so much was cut.
The first such tale is "Golden Oldies" in USA 23, a personal
favorite of mine. As published by Gladstone it was about 15 pages,
but the original was over twenty! So what was taken out? I was
particularly shocked to see that so much was cut. It didn't feel
cut, aside from one page that had a weird layout as a result.
"The Treasure of Rattler River" (DDA 25) lost four pages, I
believe. I suspected it had probably lost *one*, but -- four? Just
what was taken out? This was a very brief, ineffectual tale as
published. Was it once any meatier?
Last, "Danger Island", just last month in USA 29. It lost
three pages, I think. It seems to me that perhaps two were cut from
the beginning (the story started very abruptly), then two half-pages
cut later on? Was anything removed due to violent content? With
that story, it sure seemed like a possibility.
That's all for now, folks. Sure wonder about these.
Best,
David Gerstein
It's common knowledge that Gladstone sometimes trims an Egmont
story slightly when using it in the States. It's often done to
remove a very redundant splash panel in a story that was originally
two parts, in which case a few other panels are taken out to
facilitate removal of an entire page. Sometimes a story simply works
better when trimmed (for example, on dialoguing one Vicar story, I
myself chose to eliminate a page since I felt it slowed the story
down and was completely unnecessary). But looking through our
Database, I noticed a few stories that were much more severely
chopped. I had noticed a few telltale signs (i. e. two panels the
width of the page clustered together in the middle, whereas one
originally finished off a page and another started it). But I never
knew so much was cut.
The first such tale is "Golden Oldies" in USA 23, a personal
favorite of mine. As published by Gladstone it was about 15 pages,
but the original was over twenty! So what was taken out? I was
particularly shocked to see that so much was cut. It didn't feel
cut, aside from one page that had a weird layout as a result.
"The Treasure of Rattler River" (DDA 25) lost four pages, I
believe. I suspected it had probably lost *one*, but -- four? Just
what was taken out? This was a very brief, ineffectual tale as
published. Was it once any meatier?
Last, "Danger Island", just last month in USA 29. It lost
three pages, I think. It seems to me that perhaps two were cut from
the beginning (the story started very abruptly), then two half-pages
cut later on? Was anything removed due to violent content? With
that story, it sure seemed like a possibility.
That's all for now, folks. Sure wonder about these.
Best,
David Gerstein
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #465.
Message 96 -
1994-10-18 at 06:52:12
DAVID:
Yes, the way you define a "gag story" is the way I see it.
JON:
Yes to you also. In the European version of part V of the "Lo$",
that bank draft did have Barks' signature "forged" onto it. But I
suggested to Gladstone that they remove that and have Bruce sign it
instead. I didn't want to give the "Barks Studio" any fodder to fire off
weaselly attacks at me. That's also the reason that I finally wrote into
the text piece that I had sent an outline of the entire series and
advance looks at each chapter for his comments; he had asked me, at
some point, not to say that he was being given the chance to give me
comments, so I didn't mention it, naturally. Now that I've suffered a
year worth of the "Barks Studio" claiming that the series is poorly
drawn, poorly written, has nothing to do with Barks' $crooge, blah blah
blah, I thought I might be allowed the impudence to tell a bit of the
truth now and then, in a very polite manner.
MARK:
I have heard many times that stores and collectors in Britain
aren't even aware that there IS a British Disney comic. I think there
are several reasons for this. Britain is the only country which seems to
reflect the failed American comic medium of the past 25 years. In fact,
Disney comics flopped even sooner in Britain -- I'm told that they were
out of business for 15 years or so, and, just as in America where they
were for all intents and purposes out of print for about 10 years, once
that sort of thing happens you can never regain the lost reader base.
Also, it seems that British newsstands can pick and choose what they
stock, whereas American news distributors must stock EVERYTHING that the
mafia... er, excuse me... the local news distributor carries or they get
fire-bombed... er, excuse me... reprimanded severely. So most all stores
in Britain obviously pass on carrying the Disney weeklies which no one
wants anyway.
I just wonder if this isn't what's now going on at American
newsstands now. (NOTE: when I say newsstands, I don't mean direct sales
comic stores which are a completely different system.) But when I see
special racks full of Marvel comics at airports and record stores (in
other words, places which seem to be being supplied not by a local news
distributor or a direct sales distributor, but have some deal directly
with Marvel) I see ALL the Marvel titles displayed EXCEPT their
Gladstones. They even have the BARBI comics, but no Disneys. Something
is fishy.
PER:
What can I gripe about today? Hm... let me think. Ah, I know!
That long message that led off today's Digest. Regardless of whether or
not I might think this would be a useful and educational activity for
schoolchildren (I have my doubts), it still strikes me that what
happened is tantamount to me being forced to accept a collect phone call
from a telemarketer. Or like having to pay the postman to deliver junk
mail to me. Nothing in that message had anything to do with this forum.
Yes, the way you define a "gag story" is the way I see it.
JON:
Yes to you also. In the European version of part V of the "Lo$",
that bank draft did have Barks' signature "forged" onto it. But I
suggested to Gladstone that they remove that and have Bruce sign it
instead. I didn't want to give the "Barks Studio" any fodder to fire off
weaselly attacks at me. That's also the reason that I finally wrote into
the text piece that I had sent an outline of the entire series and
advance looks at each chapter for his comments; he had asked me, at
some point, not to say that he was being given the chance to give me
comments, so I didn't mention it, naturally. Now that I've suffered a
year worth of the "Barks Studio" claiming that the series is poorly
drawn, poorly written, has nothing to do with Barks' $crooge, blah blah
blah, I thought I might be allowed the impudence to tell a bit of the
truth now and then, in a very polite manner.
MARK:
I have heard many times that stores and collectors in Britain
aren't even aware that there IS a British Disney comic. I think there
are several reasons for this. Britain is the only country which seems to
reflect the failed American comic medium of the past 25 years. In fact,
Disney comics flopped even sooner in Britain -- I'm told that they were
out of business for 15 years or so, and, just as in America where they
were for all intents and purposes out of print for about 10 years, once
that sort of thing happens you can never regain the lost reader base.
Also, it seems that British newsstands can pick and choose what they
stock, whereas American news distributors must stock EVERYTHING that the
mafia... er, excuse me... the local news distributor carries or they get
fire-bombed... er, excuse me... reprimanded severely. So most all stores
in Britain obviously pass on carrying the Disney weeklies which no one
wants anyway.
I just wonder if this isn't what's now going on at American
newsstands now. (NOTE: when I say newsstands, I don't mean direct sales
comic stores which are a completely different system.) But when I see
special racks full of Marvel comics at airports and record stores (in
other words, places which seem to be being supplied not by a local news
distributor or a direct sales distributor, but have some deal directly
with Marvel) I see ALL the Marvel titles displayed EXCEPT their
Gladstones. They even have the BARBI comics, but no Disneys. Something
is fishy.
PER:
What can I gripe about today? Hm... let me think. Ah, I know!
That long message that led off today's Digest. Regardless of whether or
not I might think this would be a useful and educational activity for
schoolchildren (I have my doubts), it still strikes me that what
happened is tantamount to me being forced to accept a collect phone call
from a telemarketer. Or like having to pay the postman to deliver junk
mail to me. Nothing in that message had anything to do with this forum.
Per Starback
Inappropriate message
Message 97 -
1994-10-18 at 07:41:46
Don> What can I gripe about today? Hm... let me think. Ah, I know! ...
Yes, that message had nothing to do on this list. Only thing I don't
understand is why you direct your gripe at *me*. I didn't write it.
If I wanted to gripe back a bit I could point out that I think your
frequent mentioning of how much you have to pay for your net access is
misdirected. It's not my/our problem if you choose to have your mail
delivered to you by a "postman" who charges you too much. The "magazine"
you subscribe to is still free, including both the relevant stuff and
the irrelevant, and unfortunately I'm sure there'll always be people
looking for a way to reach an audience on whatever it may be here,
there, and everywhere.
Speaking about irrelevant messages this message has nothing whatsoever
to do with Disney comics, which I pointed out already in the Subject:
line. :-)
Hmm, maybe I should add something "relevant" here instead, like
explaining what I meant about Egmont / Ehapa (concerning that new oil
book RoC wrote about it).
Well, maybe they are the same, but I still thought it made a
difference where the book would be produced. But that doesn't imply I
meant one place would be better than the other. What I really want is
of course to know more about this book and how I'll will able to buy
it in the future if it won't be too expensive.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
Yes, that message had nothing to do on this list. Only thing I don't
understand is why you direct your gripe at *me*. I didn't write it.
If I wanted to gripe back a bit I could point out that I think your
frequent mentioning of how much you have to pay for your net access is
misdirected. It's not my/our problem if you choose to have your mail
delivered to you by a "postman" who charges you too much. The "magazine"
you subscribe to is still free, including both the relevant stuff and
the irrelevant, and unfortunately I'm sure there'll always be people
looking for a way to reach an audience on whatever it may be here,
there, and everywhere.
Speaking about irrelevant messages this message has nothing whatsoever
to do with Disney comics, which I pointed out already in the Subject:
line. :-)
Hmm, maybe I should add something "relevant" here instead, like
explaining what I meant about Egmont / Ehapa (concerning that new oil
book RoC wrote about it).
Well, maybe they are the same, but I still thought it made a
difference where the book would be produced. But that doesn't imply I
meant one place would be better than the other. What I really want is
of course to know more about this book and how I'll will able to buy
it in the future if it won't be too expensive.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
H.W. Fluks
Disney-comics digest #465.
Message 98 -
1994-10-18 at 10:52:14
First, a message for eberndt at mirage.esd123.wednet.edu, who wrote:
> Do not send your leters (messages) to the list.
That goes for you too. Do not send leters to the list that have NOTHING to do
with Disney comics. There are other ways to reach many people through
Internet.
----
Hm... I didn't see my own messages in the Digest today. I hope they will
be there tomorrow (sigh).
----
David, about a new "old" Egmont MM story:
> Do people want to see this in Gladstone's D&M?
I have not seen the story, but if you think the story is not very good,
maybe it's better to wait for a _good_ story. Since the story would
_introduce_ the new/old Egmont stories, a bad introduction could do too
much harm.
----
Don:
> And yes, I don't see why we can't just say something like:
> "Mattias -- in reference to what you said about [...]
I'm sure YOU can say that. And David and Mattias always do it that way as
well. But you are good in writing English. For me (and others), it's
a handicap to write in English. Every sentence is weighed 3 times before
it is sent out. Having to recollect the subject in my own words is just
an extra effort that I avoid by quoting you. I'm sure it cannot be the
intention to make it _difficult_ for people to write to this list.
But I agree that the quotes can (and should) be as minimal as possible.
----
Jon C. about Life of Scrooge chapter 5:
> Is that Bruce Hamiltons signature on the check on page 1?
Yes, I think so. I also noticed the difference: in the Dutch printing,
the signature was also by Carl Barks. I think Egmont changed it this way
in the European prints. The signature seems too obvious to be
in the original Rosa script.
--Harry.
> Do not send your leters (messages) to the list.
That goes for you too. Do not send leters to the list that have NOTHING to do
with Disney comics. There are other ways to reach many people through
Internet.
----
Hm... I didn't see my own messages in the Digest today. I hope they will
be there tomorrow (sigh).
----
David, about a new "old" Egmont MM story:
> Do people want to see this in Gladstone's D&M?
I have not seen the story, but if you think the story is not very good,
maybe it's better to wait for a _good_ story. Since the story would
_introduce_ the new/old Egmont stories, a bad introduction could do too
much harm.
----
Don:
> And yes, I don't see why we can't just say something like:
> "Mattias -- in reference to what you said about [...]
I'm sure YOU can say that. And David and Mattias always do it that way as
well. But you are good in writing English. For me (and others), it's
a handicap to write in English. Every sentence is weighed 3 times before
it is sent out. Having to recollect the subject in my own words is just
an extra effort that I avoid by quoting you. I'm sure it cannot be the
intention to make it _difficult_ for people to write to this list.
But I agree that the quotes can (and should) be as minimal as possible.
----
Jon C. about Life of Scrooge chapter 5:
> Is that Bruce Hamiltons signature on the check on page 1?
Yes, I think so. I also noticed the difference: in the Dutch printing,
the signature was also by Carl Barks. I think Egmont changed it this way
in the European prints. The signature seems too obvious to be
in the original Rosa script.
--Harry.
Fredrik Ekman
[...] Database, [...] Database
Message 99 -
1994-10-18 at 18:40:30
In reply to Harry about the database (see, I'm picking up):
Actually, I didn't intend to go in public with this, but since you bring
it up yourself... Now, since I am not certain about the details about The
Gleam, I won't use that as an example, but I think it is similar to what
I am thinking of. (If you have no interest in the database, stop reading
now and flame me. How many are interested anyway?)
Perhaps you remember that when you were about to start making this
database I brought up a few points, one being that I wanted some
redundancy among the titles? I think that was the only one of my points
that didn't get through to the present version of the stuff. Anyway, I
wasn't then even sure that I knew myself what I was talking about. Now I
am, so here's more opting for redundancy:
Just about a week ago I downloaded the Swedish .issues files for a
friend, and what did I notice? Well, all the titles are quite useless!
This is due to the fact that you currently take all titles from the story
files rather than the issue files. Thus, we get a lot of T(itles) and
D(escriptions) and the like but very few Sw(edish). I suppose the
situation is similar although better for the American comics. You will
see the same title for the first printing and all reprints and you can't
really say if a R(eprint) title belongs to this particular reprint or if
this one was untitled or what. But please correct me if I am wrong.
Now, what should we do? The obvious answer is: Create redundancy! Every
story entry must of course have a title and this could keep the format it
has today, although all translations from non-English titles could
perhaps be labelled Tr(anslation) or somesuch since it's really not
useful to know which language it originates from. (Meaning the
translation, which is unlikely to be the original title anyway.)
The issue files, then should ALSO have a title entry. Stories that have
no title remain blank of course (and get the title including designator
from the story files) and titles that are IDENTICAL to the T(itles) entry
could just get a "T:", titles that are IDENTICAL to the R(eprint) could
get a "R:" etc to reduce redundancy. But ALL NON-ENGLISH issues should
have ALL TITLES included in the issue files. STORIES IN .issues FILES
THAT HAVE THEIR ORIGINAL TITLE SHOULD HAVE NO DESIGNATOR in order to tell
them apart from the others. Thus, if story A has no title in its first
printing and is titled "B" in its second, the first entry (in the .issues
file) will be "T:B" and the second will be "B".
In addition, all Swedish, Danish and other such languages should use the
Latin-1 standard until something better is sufficiently standardized.
Naturally this causes problems. Perhaps lots of people will have to do
lots of proof-reading and re-indexing if we go with this, but I for one
certainly think it is worth it. I don't know if there is any boring
manual labour that could be done without having access to any actual
comic books, but if there is, I am willing to do it.
Phew! Now, did any of the above make sense to anyone? I didn't try to
make anyone but Harry understand and like I said it wasn't intended to go
out to everyone originally.
/F
Actually, I didn't intend to go in public with this, but since you bring
it up yourself... Now, since I am not certain about the details about The
Gleam, I won't use that as an example, but I think it is similar to what
I am thinking of. (If you have no interest in the database, stop reading
now and flame me. How many are interested anyway?)
Perhaps you remember that when you were about to start making this
database I brought up a few points, one being that I wanted some
redundancy among the titles? I think that was the only one of my points
that didn't get through to the present version of the stuff. Anyway, I
wasn't then even sure that I knew myself what I was talking about. Now I
am, so here's more opting for redundancy:
Just about a week ago I downloaded the Swedish .issues files for a
friend, and what did I notice? Well, all the titles are quite useless!
This is due to the fact that you currently take all titles from the story
files rather than the issue files. Thus, we get a lot of T(itles) and
D(escriptions) and the like but very few Sw(edish). I suppose the
situation is similar although better for the American comics. You will
see the same title for the first printing and all reprints and you can't
really say if a R(eprint) title belongs to this particular reprint or if
this one was untitled or what. But please correct me if I am wrong.
Now, what should we do? The obvious answer is: Create redundancy! Every
story entry must of course have a title and this could keep the format it
has today, although all translations from non-English titles could
perhaps be labelled Tr(anslation) or somesuch since it's really not
useful to know which language it originates from. (Meaning the
translation, which is unlikely to be the original title anyway.)
The issue files, then should ALSO have a title entry. Stories that have
no title remain blank of course (and get the title including designator
from the story files) and titles that are IDENTICAL to the T(itles) entry
could just get a "T:", titles that are IDENTICAL to the R(eprint) could
get a "R:" etc to reduce redundancy. But ALL NON-ENGLISH issues should
have ALL TITLES included in the issue files. STORIES IN .issues FILES
THAT HAVE THEIR ORIGINAL TITLE SHOULD HAVE NO DESIGNATOR in order to tell
them apart from the others. Thus, if story A has no title in its first
printing and is titled "B" in its second, the first entry (in the .issues
file) will be "T:B" and the second will be "B".
In addition, all Swedish, Danish and other such languages should use the
Latin-1 standard until something better is sufficiently standardized.
Naturally this causes problems. Perhaps lots of people will have to do
lots of proof-reading and re-indexing if we go with this, but I for one
certainly think it is worth it. I don't know if there is any boring
manual labour that could be done without having access to any actual
comic books, but if there is, I am willing to do it.
Phew! Now, did any of the above make sense to anyone? I didn't try to
make anyone but Harry understand and like I said it wasn't intended to go
out to everyone originally.
/F
JohnH53688
Yeah! Whats with the colori
Message 100 -
1994-10-18 at 21:55:21
I had some problems with a few pages of Lo$ 5 also. These coloring problems
have been becoming more and more frequent over the past several months (at
least in my copies...)
Anyone know what's up with Gladstone's publisher?
John
have been becoming more and more frequent over the past several months (at
least in my copies...)
Anyone know what's up with Gladstone's publisher?
John
Fredrik Ekman
[...] Database, [...] Database
Message 101 -
1994-10-18 at 22:50:13
> them apart from the others. Thus, if story A has no title in its first
> printing and is titled "B" in its second, the first entry (in the .issues
> file) will be "T:B" and the second will be "B".
And naturally I messed everything up comtotally. The last line of the
above should thus read:
> file) will be "R:B" and the second will be "B".
since the title is taken from a reprint. Right?
/F
PS. I don't expect that message of mine to be comprehensible. Please ask
if I need to clarify anything. DS.
> printing and is titled "B" in its second, the first entry (in the .issues
> file) will be "T:B" and the second will be "B".
And naturally I messed everything up comtotally. The last line of the
above should thus read:
> file) will be "R:B" and the second will be "B".
since the title is taken from a reprint. Right?
/F
PS. I don't expect that message of mine to be comprehensible. Please ask
if I need to clarify anything. DS.
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #466.
Message 102 -
1994-10-19 at 05:42:59
PER:
Of course I know you didn't write that "junk mail" that appeared
on the Digest, but I figured you had some control over what gets put in
here. You mean that everything that pops in the Digest does so
automatically without you having any way to stop it? That's scary. It
seems like telemarketers will soon get the idea to take over these
computer systems if they find out thay can start pumping it all full of
ads at other people's expense!
HARRY:
Well, you got my goat with that comment about how it's easier to
quote passages of old messages when one is not so fluent in their
English. I have to confess that after talking and corresponding with you
Europeans for several years, I have gotten the impression that you speak
English effortlessly since you all do it so well ... better by far, in
fact, than most rural Kentuckians! And I always try to mention how
impressed I am by people who can speak two (or more!) languages since I
live in this society where people barely speak ONE very well.
JOHN:
The problem with Gladstone's coloring is that they are not shown
proofs of the coloring before the job. There's only one color press in
America (unless things have changed) and they probably don't treat their
customers too well when they know those customers have no choice. And
you can imagine how little respect Gladstone gets from them since
Gladstone must be their smallest comic-book customer.
Of course I know you didn't write that "junk mail" that appeared
on the Digest, but I figured you had some control over what gets put in
here. You mean that everything that pops in the Digest does so
automatically without you having any way to stop it? That's scary. It
seems like telemarketers will soon get the idea to take over these
computer systems if they find out thay can start pumping it all full of
ads at other people's expense!
HARRY:
Well, you got my goat with that comment about how it's easier to
quote passages of old messages when one is not so fluent in their
English. I have to confess that after talking and corresponding with you
Europeans for several years, I have gotten the impression that you speak
English effortlessly since you all do it so well ... better by far, in
fact, than most rural Kentuckians! And I always try to mention how
impressed I am by people who can speak two (or more!) languages since I
live in this society where people barely speak ONE very well.
JOHN:
The problem with Gladstone's coloring is that they are not shown
proofs of the coloring before the job. There's only one color press in
America (unless things have changed) and they probably don't treat their
customers too well when they know those customers have no choice. And
you can imagine how little respect Gladstone gets from them since
Gladstone must be their smallest comic-book customer.
H.W. Fluks
Database, and colours in Lo$ 5
Message 103 -
1994-10-19 at 15:20:13
Fredrik, about the Disney comics Database:
> How many are interested anyway?
I would like to know that too. If we are the only two, we can continue this
discussion in private mail...
> I wanted some redundancy among the titles [..] I think that was the only
> one of my points that didn't get through [..]
Well, partly. You can explicitly indicate in an 'issue' file that a story
has a title, differing from the "official" one. However, you can't
indicate that a story has NO title. I'll fix that.
> I downloaded the Swedish .issues files [...] all the titles are quite
> useless!
My goal was to have all titles and descriptions in English, everywhere.
But because no English data was available for some entries, I "allowed"
Dutch, Swedish and Danish titles/descriptions. Do you really think all
story titles should be Swedish in the Swedish index? I originally did
that in the Dutch index, but I think it's of no use: most Dutch titles
do not describe the story accurately, and almost everyone can read English
here.
> I suppose the [Swedish] situation is similar although better for the
> American comics.
In the Gladstone and Western indexes, all titles are given as they appear
in that particular issue. Only thing that's wrong on _some_ places is
when a story has no title in that issue, but it _has_ somewhere else
(the R:-case you described).
> it's really not useful to know which language it originates from.
Oh?
> ALL NON-ENGLISH issues should have ALL TITLES included in the issue files.
Please propose a handsome lay-out for listing more than one title of a story.
> all Swedish, Danish and other such languages should use the Latin-1 standard
I don't know enough of Latin-1 or any other standards. I use 7-bit ASCII,
which means those funny Scandinavian characters are unreadable for me.
That's why they have disappeared or are replaced by an 'x'.
Any standard my mailer can handle is OK with me.
----
After all this, a reply to JohnH53688 at aol.com (and others):
> I had some problems with a few pages of Lo$ 5 also.
I bought 2 copies of that comic, and I have not seen any colouring problem
at all. Maybe they select the best comics for the European market? 8-)
--Harry.
P.S. Fredrik: what does 'DS.' mean?
> How many are interested anyway?
I would like to know that too. If we are the only two, we can continue this
discussion in private mail...
> I wanted some redundancy among the titles [..] I think that was the only
> one of my points that didn't get through [..]
Well, partly. You can explicitly indicate in an 'issue' file that a story
has a title, differing from the "official" one. However, you can't
indicate that a story has NO title. I'll fix that.
> I downloaded the Swedish .issues files [...] all the titles are quite
> useless!
My goal was to have all titles and descriptions in English, everywhere.
But because no English data was available for some entries, I "allowed"
Dutch, Swedish and Danish titles/descriptions. Do you really think all
story titles should be Swedish in the Swedish index? I originally did
that in the Dutch index, but I think it's of no use: most Dutch titles
do not describe the story accurately, and almost everyone can read English
here.
> I suppose the [Swedish] situation is similar although better for the
> American comics.
In the Gladstone and Western indexes, all titles are given as they appear
in that particular issue. Only thing that's wrong on _some_ places is
when a story has no title in that issue, but it _has_ somewhere else
(the R:-case you described).
> it's really not useful to know which language it originates from.
Oh?
> ALL NON-ENGLISH issues should have ALL TITLES included in the issue files.
Please propose a handsome lay-out for listing more than one title of a story.
> all Swedish, Danish and other such languages should use the Latin-1 standard
I don't know enough of Latin-1 or any other standards. I use 7-bit ASCII,
which means those funny Scandinavian characters are unreadable for me.
That's why they have disappeared or are replaced by an 'x'.
Any standard my mailer can handle is OK with me.
----
After all this, a reply to JohnH53688 at aol.com (and others):
> I had some problems with a few pages of Lo$ 5 also.
I bought 2 copies of that comic, and I have not seen any colouring problem
at all. Maybe they select the best comics for the European market? 8-)
--Harry.
P.S. Fredrik: what does 'DS.' mean?
Per Starback
What goes in the digests? + PS on DS
Message 104 -
1994-10-20 at 05:47:40
Please Don, surely I've answered this before?
This list is uncensored and unmoderated. Most of the subscribers got
this message in their mailboxes within a few minutes after I sent it.
In a truly moderated list someone would have to OK it first, and
everything would be a lot slower. Those of the subscribers who
receive the digests (like you do) or course get everything late
anyway, and there's certainly a technical pssibility for me to
interrupt the normal operation to remove certain messages that already
have been sent to the list from appearing in the digests.
I *won't* delete inappropriate messages sent to the list from the
digests though, because
* It would take time to do it.
Often I don't read that mail myself until after it's been digested
anyway.
* Different subscribers getting different sets of messages would be a
cause for confusion when someone comments on something that not
everyone has got.
* It's too hard to draw the line between what's appropriate and not.
* I don't like censoring anyway.
This is the only way I'm ever going to administrate a mailing list,
but there's nothing at all stopping someone from starting their own
"best-of-disney-comics" list, only containing the relevant,
interesting, fun and readable messages sent to the list, acting as a
forwarder who won't forward everything. I don't know how many people
would be interested in that instead of a full subscription, but as
long as there isn't any volunteer to do the job it's a somewhat moot
point.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
P.S. Harry asked about "DS". That is a customary ending of a PS in
Sweden. Probably Fredrik doesn't realize that whereas PS is an
international (Latin) abbreviation, DS is a Swedish abbreviation,
meaning "den samme" = "the same", as a way of signing the PS with
the same name as the main text. /P.S.
This list is uncensored and unmoderated. Most of the subscribers got
this message in their mailboxes within a few minutes after I sent it.
In a truly moderated list someone would have to OK it first, and
everything would be a lot slower. Those of the subscribers who
receive the digests (like you do) or course get everything late
anyway, and there's certainly a technical pssibility for me to
interrupt the normal operation to remove certain messages that already
have been sent to the list from appearing in the digests.
I *won't* delete inappropriate messages sent to the list from the
digests though, because
* It would take time to do it.
Often I don't read that mail myself until after it's been digested
anyway.
* Different subscribers getting different sets of messages would be a
cause for confusion when someone comments on something that not
everyone has got.
* It's too hard to draw the line between what's appropriate and not.
* I don't like censoring anyway.
This is the only way I'm ever going to administrate a mailing list,
but there's nothing at all stopping someone from starting their own
"best-of-disney-comics" list, only containing the relevant,
interesting, fun and readable messages sent to the list, acting as a
forwarder who won't forward everything. I don't know how many people
would be interested in that instead of a full subscription, but as
long as there isn't any volunteer to do the job it's a somewhat moot
point.
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
P.S. Harry asked about "DS". That is a customary ending of a PS in
Sweden. Probably Fredrik doesn't realize that whereas PS is an
international (Latin) abbreviation, DS is a Swedish abbreviation,
meaning "den samme" = "the same", as a way of signing the PS with
the same name as the main text. /P.S.
Anders Engwall
Database
Message 105 -
1994-10-20 at 11:49:06
Harry Fluks:
> Fredrik, about the Disney comics Database:
> > How many are interested anyway?
>
> I would like to know that too. If we are the only two, we can continue this
> discussion in private mail...
Count me in...
> > I downloaded the Swedish .issues files [...] all the titles are quite
> > useless!
>
> My goal was to have all titles and descriptions in English, everywhere.
> But because no English data was available for some entries, I "allowed"
> Dutch, Swedish and Danish titles/descriptions. Do you really think all
> story titles should be Swedish in the Swedish index? I originally did
> that in the Dutch index, but I think it's of no use: most Dutch titles
> do not describe the story accurately, and almost everyone can read English
> here.
Fredrik has a point here; if someone is trying to find out in which issue
a certain story was published, he'll probably search for the title he
remembers it had. If the person is Swedish, he will naturally recall a Swedish
title, not whatever the original one was. Changing the titles in the Swedish
index would mean a *lot* of work, though.
> > ALL NON-ENGLISH issues should have ALL TITLES included in the issue files.
>
> Please propose a handsome lay-out for listing more than one title of a story.
The lines would be *very* long... :-) No, I don't see the usefulness of listing
*every* Swedish title a certain story has been published with. An issue list
should contain the title of each particular issue, IMO.
> > all Swedish, Danish and other such languages should use the Latin-1 standard
>
> I don't know enough of Latin-1 or any other standards. I use 7-bit ASCII,
> which means those funny Scandinavian characters are unreadable for me.
> That's why they have disappeared or are replaced by an 'x'.
> Any standard my mailer can handle is OK with me.
And even *if* Harry's software could handle Latin-1, there's absolutely
no guarantee that the nodes between you and him can. At least I can not
send Scandinavian characters to him, they arrive at his place looking
absolutely terrible. At least that what he says - perhaps he's too lazy to
upgrade his programs... :-)
Anders Engwall Email: Anders.Engwall at eua.ericsson.se
ELLEMTEL Utvecklings AB Voice: +46 8 727 3893
[lvsj|, Sweden Fax: +46 8 727 42 20
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> Fredrik, about the Disney comics Database:
> > How many are interested anyway?
>
> I would like to know that too. If we are the only two, we can continue this
> discussion in private mail...
Count me in...
> > I downloaded the Swedish .issues files [...] all the titles are quite
> > useless!
>
> My goal was to have all titles and descriptions in English, everywhere.
> But because no English data was available for some entries, I "allowed"
> Dutch, Swedish and Danish titles/descriptions. Do you really think all
> story titles should be Swedish in the Swedish index? I originally did
> that in the Dutch index, but I think it's of no use: most Dutch titles
> do not describe the story accurately, and almost everyone can read English
> here.
Fredrik has a point here; if someone is trying to find out in which issue
a certain story was published, he'll probably search for the title he
remembers it had. If the person is Swedish, he will naturally recall a Swedish
title, not whatever the original one was. Changing the titles in the Swedish
index would mean a *lot* of work, though.
> > ALL NON-ENGLISH issues should have ALL TITLES included in the issue files.
>
> Please propose a handsome lay-out for listing more than one title of a story.
The lines would be *very* long... :-) No, I don't see the usefulness of listing
*every* Swedish title a certain story has been published with. An issue list
should contain the title of each particular issue, IMO.
> > all Swedish, Danish and other such languages should use the Latin-1 standard
>
> I don't know enough of Latin-1 or any other standards. I use 7-bit ASCII,
> which means those funny Scandinavian characters are unreadable for me.
> That's why they have disappeared or are replaced by an 'x'.
> Any standard my mailer can handle is OK with me.
And even *if* Harry's software could handle Latin-1, there's absolutely
no guarantee that the nodes between you and him can. At least I can not
send Scandinavian characters to him, they arrive at his place looking
absolutely terrible. At least that what he says - perhaps he's too lazy to
upgrade his programs... :-)
Anders Engwall Email: Anders.Engwall at eua.ericsson.se
ELLEMTEL Utvecklings AB Voice: +46 8 727 3893
[lvsj|, Sweden Fax: +46 8 727 42 20
endremin saxassa flumen flobollala / feilobasch falljada follidi / flumbasch