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DAVID.A.GERSTEIN
Dear Folks,

Harry Fluks on "The Gleam":

> And I don't know where David got the 1941 date; I think my dates are
> correct.

The technical term for where I got that 1941 date, as Gary
Gabner once mentioned, is "Oops." Sorry about that, folks -- and
Harry's dates are indeed right!

I'll be back...

David Gerstein
"Ramble on, buxom bumble bee! Go sit on a cowslip --
far from me!"
DAVID.A.GERSTEIN
Hello again, folks.

First, as of last notification, "Horsing Around with History"
is supposed to get its American publication in USA #33. Or so John
Clark told me.

> That sounds like the previously discussed "This is Your Life, Donald
> Duck" to me. Although I don't remember seeing any Grandpa, Donald spent
> his childhood years on Grandma's farm in that story.

And why with Grandma, and not his actual parents? I hate to
break this to all of you (especially you, Don), but when indexing
WDC&S for 1947-1950 for Harry last summer, I discovered something
very shocking in the first few years of Taliaferro's Grandma strips.
Grandma consistently refers to Donald as her son! I don't know how
this is going to affect anything (especially as AT created Grandma).
And according to those rather bad Grandma stories of early-'50s
WDC&S, Grandma's (apparently deceased) husband was named Humperdink.
Consistently. Did you go with that, Don? I have not seen
the Duck Family Tree (indeed, I have no idea when or if Gladstone
plans to publish it) and I don't know what name you gave him. All I
remember now is that Grandma was originally a Coot. (Well, not that
she isn't, now... ;-)

> And thanks for all the French names. Pity I didn't have them a week ago.
> Now you'll have to wait for them to show up in the Names list.

Did I mention, Fredrik, that in French Sylvester Shyster is
named Chicaneau? (from "chicanery", I guess) Seems like old Shyster
gets some really good foreign names (in German, "Baldwin
Beutelschneider" is particularly inspired).

Has WDC&S #594 come out? Last week the Edinburgh comic shop
got in US #'289. They told me that the week before they had
gotten DDA #29, so were quite mixed up as to why there was a US, not
a WDC&S, this week. Does anyone have WDC&S #594? Were the release
weeks for WDC&S and US switched this time?
BTW, WDC&S #595 will apparently have Van Horn's Xmas story in
it. The one we have called "Fight on Bonebreaker Mountain" should
then be "Deck Us All," according to a press release. "The Better
Life" (the one that's apparently in #594) is what we have called
"Strike in the House." And we have the title right on "The Terror of
Duckburg," which is apparently going to be in #596 according to John
Clark.

Well, I'm off for now. But, of course, I'll be back.

Best,

David
James Williams
Don,

>James, did you say you're currently writing a Duck story that involves a
>witches' coven that is trying to corrupt the eternal souls of humanity?

Not exactly. Here's the basic concept. Magica gets mad at the way
witches are being portrayed in a comic books. So, one night she sneaks
in and makes the comics more "authentic". The only problem is that
when people read these comics aloud, they unknowingly cast these
"authentic" spells. Chaos results and Magica has to save the day.

>but I could mention the Holy Grail in those pages, whereas NOT in a
>Duck comic -- nor, I think, should I.

Agreed. I think religion has little or no place in a duck comic.

>Who's reading the COMPUSERVE Disney-comics-section?

What's to read. There's only been two messages in the last
week. The more time I spend on other Disney lists, the more
I'm amazed by the quality of this one.

James Williams
Andrew Krieg 5-5379
DON:

I think there are 2 types of Duck stories; the 10-page humorous type, and
the longer adventure type. Please don't give up on writing *original*
10-page humor stories. One of my favorite stories of yours was the pumpkin
carving contest. Don't get bogged down in research for all your tales,
or try and make them all sequels to Barks' stories either. It's been too
long since I've read a straight gag-story by you, and I really miss them.

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Per Starback
> [...] I discovered something very shocking in the first few years of
> Taliaferro's Grandma strips. Grandma consistently refers to Donald
> as her son! I don't know how this is going to affect anything
> (especially as AT created Grandma).

Doesn't surprise me at all. As I've said earlier I've always thought
that Grandma was meant to be Donald's mother in the daily strips, even
though I didn't know it was made explicit anywhere.

Too bad Barks missed that and made her a grandma instead. (Or did
anyone else do that before Barks?)
-- "
Per Starback, Uppsala, Sweden. email: starback at minsk.docs.uu.se
"Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
James Williams
David asked:

>Has WDC&S #594 come out?

Yes, at least in my neck of the woods. I purchased it last week. LO$ V
should be out this week. I thought that WDC&S #594 was pretty good.
William Van Horn's lead story has an average plot with some fantastic
dialog. "Monarch of Mendoka" so far has been extremely predictable and
very slowly paced. I also think it suffers from being transformed into
a comic book instead of being printed in strip format. There is one
strip in particular where Mickey is being tutored in four different
settings which must have been wonderful as one strip, but it really
falls flat in comic book format.

James Williams
Don Rosa
DAVID:
I recall you posting a message about Grandma's husband being
named "Humperdink" several months ago when you were just popping in and
out here. Tell me what issues of WDC&S this appears in. And you imply it
was mentioned more than once? That is unusual to see ANY sort of
continuity in these comics in those days.
I can easilly be persuaded to use that name -- I picked "Dabney
Duck" for reasons I can certainly no longer recall after 3 years. But
since Barks never gave him a name, "Humperdink" has a precedent in those
old WDC&S and does not conflict with Barks, so I can use it. But no
matter what the creator of Grandma intended her to be, Barks said she
was Donald's grandmother, so that she has to be (as far as I'm
concerned).

ANDY:
I actually DID do a 10-page "gag" story last month... my first
since 1990. And it wasn't so hot. At least it didn't seem very good when
I was doing it -- I'd had an idea for a story in my notes for many
years, and decided to use it. But getting it to actually WORK was like
pulling teeth... which tells me that it was NOT working. I can't judge
whether it ultimately worked or not, but since it was a difficult story
to do, I didn't enjoy it and therefore felt that it SUCKED. We'll see.
Good ideas for 10-page stories are always very easy to make stories out
of -- I think I wrote "On a Silver Platter" in about an hour.
I might try another 10-pager, but I really can't get inspired by
the whole idea. I see these as ADVENTURE characters -- and only
adventure stories seem worth dealing with. "Gag" stories are too
forgetable.
Wilmer Rivers
I don't see a problem with Grandma's calling Donald "son." Since
in "This Is Your Life, Donald Duck," we see that Grandma raised
Donald on the farm, so it is natural that she would call him "son" even
if in fact he were really her grandson. There are several examples
that come to mind of the word "son" being applied to a grandson in
this context. Of course, this raises the question of what happened
to Donald's parents, but then as we have discussed many times before,
parents are conveniently absent from most Disney comics. Maybe that's
one reason that kids have always liked them!

Don writes:
> I see these as ADVENTURE characters -- and only
> adventure stories seem worth dealing with. "Gag" stories are too
> forgetable.
I don't think they're forgettable. I shall always remember "The Master
Landscaper", for instance, quite fondly. It's just like with the
movies; heavy dramas are always rewarded with Academy Awards, and
funny movies are dismissed as being "only comedies". But you look at
which movies have stood the test of time, say over the last 50 years
or so, and aren't there just about as many "madcap comedies" you
remember as well as more depressing "film noire"? If ANYTHING tends
to be forgettable, it's action/adventure. Movies in that format are
all so much alike. You keep saying, "Was that the one where... No,
wait, that happened in...". (This of course does not apply to Barks,
since his adventures were so inventive.) Anyway, there are so few
FUNNY funnybooks on the shelves these days, so don't give up on writing
the 10-page "gags"!

Wilmer Rivers
DAVID.A.GERSTEIN
Dear Folks,

James said that the 1937 Gottfredson Medioka adventure
appearing in WDC&S currently "so far has been extremely predictable and
very slowly paced. I also think it suffers from being transformed into
a comic book instead of being printed in strip format." Well, I have
to agree that it's slowly paced. Also that it may have been better
in strip format. But the real way to enjoy this story was to buy
Gladstone's 1990 album that contained the whole damn thing. All 106
pages of it. I happen to find this one to be my favorite Mickey
story; it may be a little slow getting started, but you'll see it
gets better and better. The real problem is that this should be in
four issues of Mickey's own comic, not *six* issues of WDC&S. That
way its length would be more tolerable. But since that album (at
$15) was too expensive for most collectors I know, I think that the
current printing will at least give more readers a chance to enjoy
this story. The dialogue, also, gets uncommonly good later on.
And you talk of the story being predictable? Well, okay, the
moment Mickey is mistaken for someone else, you get what's going on.
But the excitement, and comic wit, fly fast and furious once Mickey's
on the throne in Medioka. Just wait!

I haven't yet mentioned LO$ 5 (the one everyone's been talking
about), so my thanks are long overdue to Don Rosa. This one was
absolutely spectacular. By emphasizing Scrooge's relationship with
his kin and forefathers, you have included a sort of warmth that
rarely occurs in Barks' stories (and though I don't have a
translatable version of Part 11, I know that this makes the emotional
sequences there even more meaningful).
I loved the sequence with the ghosts, no matter what anyone
says. It harks back to the ancient myths, whose writers asked the
Muses to invoke them with the necessary bravado preparatory to
penning their epics.
Only one problem with the story, and it's Egmont at fault: it
could stand to be sixteen, not fifteen pages. I felt that the scene
of Scrooge's ancestors parading in glee at his future miserliness
should have been the width of the page, for instance; then there
were other scenes that seemed a little too cramped. But you *know*
all these things, otherwise you'd not always tell me how you wished
you *could* make 'em longer!
One slightly confusing thing: when a character reaches into a
panel with one arm (the rest of him not being seen, that is), you've
often had the arm -- or whatever appendage -- protruding not from the
edge of the panel, but from behind the edge of the previous panel.
The obvious example is when one Whiskerville swiped Scrooge's bank
order. Since Scrooge was right up against the right-hand border of
the preceding panel, the arm that reached for the deed almost looked
like it was somehow supposed to be *his* -- and Sue Daigle-Leach
thought so too, for the hand on that arm was colored white!
Hopefully all this will be fixed for the album printing.
Am I nuts, or is Gladstone's printing just not as good these
days? I've been disappointed with the color in EVERY recent issue
but DDA 29! The color looks duller than it once did, and very often the
red and blue ink that's used to reinforce solid blacks is misaligned
so that panel borders and characters' pupils appear muddy.
Especially true of some pages in this comic. In fact, coloring
problems always look the worst in Rosa stories, because the detail is
so intricate that the misaligned tones are more obvious.
If Gladstone has had to lower printing quality (these mistakes
started becoming common around this last March) to keep the price of
the comics at $1.50, I wouldn't mind paying $1.75 for them. When you
get around 27 pages of comics in each issue, that's sure a better buy
than (Fill In Name Of Any Other Comic Publisher Here)'s issues.

Well, it's time to be off for now. But I'll be back sooner or
later. "Like a bad penny, or a ghost!" "GHOST? Eeeek! Merciful
goodness, what have I *done*?"

David Gerstein
Mark Semich
> From: Don Rosa <72260.2635 at compuserve.com>
> I actually DID do a 10-page "gag" story last month... my first
> since 1990.

So is this one going to be published any time soon? What's it about?
Frank DiCapua
While I really enjoy the adventure stories, I like to read
a "gag" story every now and then too. I feel that Don has maintained a
good balance between the two. I'm curious, though, which stories he
defines as "gag" stories. Certainly, the Master Landscaper and
Window Washer stories fall into this catagory, but what about some
of the other stories. Here I'm thinking of stories like "On Stolen Time"
(my personal favorites) or when Donald turns into a superhero by drinking
the special formula. These have a quasi-adventure aspect aspect.
Will these disappear too?

Also, I know that we've discussed this before, but I really
enjoy the book length adventures. I'd really like to see more of those.
I realize that this is unlikely since Don draws for Egmont, and they prefer
shorter stories, but I'm just putting in my 2 cents.

Frank
Frank DiCapua
I have to second David's comments about colors. Lo$ 5
had quite a bit of misaligned color in my issues too.
I chalked it up to a bad press run since I have rarely seen this
in Gladstone's comics before. I can't really say that I've noticed
a trend, though. Maybe we were just unlucky with this issue. I'm
keeping my eyes open for the newstand version; hoping that there will
be an improvement there.

Frank
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James Williams
Don,

>I see these as ADVENTURE characters -- and only adventure stories seem
>worth dealing with. "Gag" stories are too forgetable.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I think gag stories
are extremely important. Here's why:

First, they give the characters versitility. One of the reason that
Donald Duck is so popular is because of his versitility. How many other
characters fit so perfectly in both comedy and adventure stories? I've
always considered him "the Cary Grant of comics". This is also why
Donald is more popular than Mickey. Mickey shied away from doing gag
stories and ended up becoming too one dimensional. I was thrilled when
David said that his Mickey stories were gag stories not adventure stories.

Second, they give the readers value. Go buy a comic book from Marvel
or DC. The odds are, it didn't contain a full story. At most, you got
one part of a story. You'll have to buy more issues and possibly other
titles before you get the full story. Go buy any comic published by
Gladstone, you always get at least one complete story each and every
issue. That one story is often a gag story because the are
shorter. A good example is this months WDC&S.

Third, historical presidence. Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Goofy,
and HD&L all started in gag cartoons. Donald's first solo strip
was a gag strip. Scrooge's first appearance was in a gag story.
I could list a dozen more examples, but you get the point.

>I might try another 10-pager, but I really can't get inspired by
>the whole idea.

That's fine. "Should Don Rosa do gag stories?" is a very different
question then "Are gag stories valid?". In my opinion, you should
do whatever makes you happy. If that means nothing but adventure
stories, that's fine with me. I promise you, I'll buy them.

James Williams
James Williams
>Since in "This Is Your Life, Donald Duck," we see that Grandma
>raised Donald on the farm,

I think that most of us would not consider "TIYL,DD" cannonical, but
it does raise an good question. Where did Donald grow up and who
raised him?

>Of course, this raises the question of what happened to Donald's
>parents, but then as we have discussed many times before, parents are
>conveniently absent from most Disney comics.

The lack of parents never bothered me, the lack of friends always will.
Make a list of Donald's closest friends. Subtract from it anyone
who is related to Donald. I bet when you're done, the list is empty.

James Williams
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