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Jørgen Andreas Bangor
German pocket books
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Seems to me that I started a discussion I didn't want to start... :)
I don't know what the Germans did with these books, but the compilation
of Italian stories in the pocket books is done in Germany, isn't it?
They certainly don't look like they're redrawn. I just remembered that
these folks, whoever they were, said that the "stupid" Italian stories
had to be partly redrawn and rescripted to be understood by people used
to Barks' stories. Seems just like the usual arrogance (if it wasn't done
by Barks, it's not worth reading) that some people show, to me.
What I am refering to is a newspaper article in (probably) Aftenposten
some years ago, about some "fight" against the degrading of the Duck
universe. To make it better, they attacked Italian artists.

Apropos Italian artists, or maybe Spanish... I was looking through some
issues of Mikke Krim (Mickey Mystery) yesterday, and suddenly I realized
that the art, which I like, is very similar to the art in that stupid
story with Mickey on a farm (D93477), which we slightly discussed some
weeks ago. I haven't checked them too close yet, but -- the art really
looked similar. Well, everyone can have a bad day, I guess. If it's Xavi
who draws every Mickey Mystery story, he must be a busy man.

BTW: A hard cover "pocket book" has just been published here in Norway.
I haven't bought it yet, but it seems to be filled with Italian Christmas
stories. 256 pages, just like the pocket books.

Here in Norway, we only get a little more than 700 regular pages a month...

Jorgen
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
Donald Duck & Co #48
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The cover "describes" one of the stories inside the issue, for once
-- which makes me believe it could just be a coincidence...

Starts with a strip, as usual.

The lead story (D93413, 10 pages) is about Donald being the hero in
a lot of commercials and ads for some detergent. He gets very popular.
Too popular. The story is quite good, although the final gag doesn't
really have much effect, since it also was used earlier in the story
(in a slightly different form, though). Art by Vicar.

Second is a Grandma Duck story (D93460, 4 pages). No mice. Gus finds
some Roman antiques, which they deliver to a museum. Next day there's
an article about it in the newspaper, and a lot of people come out to
the farm and start to dig. Grandma gets very angry, but when she finds
out that the antiques were just some copies used in a film, she makes
the treasure hunters dig were digging is needed.
Not too bad.

The third story is about Donald and a plant which belongs to Daisy
(D92348, 4 pages). Daisy want Donald to look after the plant while she's
away. The first thing he do is destroying the plant (of course...).
Then he has to find a new plant.
The art isn't too bad, but the plot has been used _too_ many times.

The fourth story is Barks' The Masters of Melody (WDC 85). First published
in Norway in DD&Co #2 1949. I don't have that issue, unfortunately, but I
do have a copy of it. I really like this story.
BTW: Have any of you noticed the picture on the wall in the third panel on
the fifth page?

Then the final part of the Mickey Mouse story that started last week.
(D93063). I don't understand why people are complaining about Murry's
stories... Oops, this could be Xavi too. I think I would like him to
stay with the Mickey Mystery stories.

Last is a one-pager with Donald and HDL (KF 9.22.46).

The next week's issue is a double issue, which means one regular issue
and one extra issue packed together in a plastic bag. If anyone should
care -- the regular issue costs NKR 14,- , and the double issue costs
NKR 16,- (one USD = NKR 6.8405 (earlier today)).

Jorgen
Pling! Plong! Kviii! Kvii! Vomp! Bomp! Ooiii! Oooii!
Don Rosa
MARIA/PITA:
Glad you like my approach. Of course, you realize that the way I
base my stories SO solidly on Barks even to the extent of relishing my
editors' request for sequels, the reason you say you like my stories, is
the very reason some other people absolutely DETEST my stories, and are
very personal in their resentment of it all. You can truly not please
everyone.
You ask if I will ever have the Ducks revisit Tralla La. You
mean RErevisit Tralla La? You do know I had them revisit the valley in
"Return to Xanadu", right?
The address for Gladstone is still the same as ever, so if you
have any Gladstones at all (as you imply) you have the address already.

EVERYONE:
Who would like to help me add some in-joke clutter to my current
story? You recall my tales where the stories opened with a display of
treasures that $crooge has uncovered? Now I'm doing a story where he's
cleaning out an old storeroom which contains sorta the opposite -- junk
from past adventures. Stuff that has no particular value, but which the
old miser would still never toss out.
What items from Barks tales can any of you think of that I might
put in this storeroom? I already have over 10 various items drawn into
the backgrounds, some from Barks classics and some from my own past
stories. (I don't feel that my stories should be added to the official
"canon", but I still really have no other option than to treat them that
way when I write within my own "universe".)
H.W. Fluks
>PLOP!<

Another reason to faint: I just read the Dutch version of "Life of Scrooge"
chapter 9. Terrillent! Excefic! Scandinavians discussed this story here
before, and I can only agree with their conclusions. Never before seen
in a Disney comic.

Now I think *this* is the best Lo$ part, apart from part 2 of course. 8-)

I must say the translation is absolutely great. Even without knowing
the original English, I think the jokes must be close to the original.

Only they still translated Scrooge's sisters as Hortensia and Dora. (Dora
being the name of Grandma Duck.) I wonder how they solve the problem
when the real Grandma appears. How did the Germans solve it?

One minor remark about the story's art: the Soapy Slick (if that's his name)
scene at the beginning is very different from the rest of the story,
because it lacks the usual Rosa detail. Well, since the panels are straight
copies of Barks panels, I guess adding detail would be less 'authentic'.

Now some loose remarks on yesterday's digest:

----David about Italian pocket book stories:
> Those terrible intermezzo sequences which many
> of us love to hate (who was that artist again, Fabio?)

Giuseppe Perego. I'll never forget that name. He even added scenes to
other people's stories!

----Maria Enriquez Harris <enriquez at bioch.ox.ac.uk> (does this mean we
have a female member, at last?):
> any chance of revisiting "Tralla La", Don?

Read "Return to Xanadu". The very best Rosa story up to now, IMHO.
Or do you mean re-revisiting?

----Jo/rgen:
> BTW: A hard cover "pocket book" has just been published here in Norway.

That one was published in Holland as well (though not hard cover). It was
already in the shops in early November!

----
About Becattini's Dell indexes: what about copyrights? If Becattini delivers
a floppy disk, can we use it and put on ftp without problems?

--Harry.

"Poor people are crazy - rich people are _excentric_!" (Lo$ 9)
Don Rosa
HARRY:
See how you like chapter 10. That is what I'd pick as the best
chapter of that series, just because I had so little time to cover --
several days rather than several years. But also chapter 10 shows beyond
a shadow of any doubt, and in a manner that I can't see could be
changed, that neither of $crooge's little sisters are Grandma Duck, that
she is a Duck from a separate family and no relation. I suspect the
Dutch translator hasn't been reading these chapters ahead and is in for
a surprize when he tries to do something with #10.
Chapter 9 had a good translation? What was the dirty limerick
that $crooge spoke at the poetry recital? And was there an obscene word
at the end being interrupted as it was supposed to be in my script?
Maria Enriquez Harris
Believe it or not, I did NOT know that Don had already written a sequel
to Tralla La!

I am telling you, I haven't been able to get a Duckcomic since USA 22.
(oh..and I couldn't get any of the intervening Disney published ones
except for once when I went to the States and picked up about ten USs).
And even though my local shop took USA 22 it promptly stopped
taking Gladstones after that!

So could someone help me out by taking their very latest Gladstone comic
and copying out the current list of back issues available (noting author,
pretty please?) and their prices, as well as the current prices for
postage and packing to the UK?

Then I can send off a giant order and finally get to read some of these
stories!!!

(Think of it...I can blow all my money on tall, cool sodas and comic
books, to read about Scrooge telling Donald just WHY one shouldn't do
that!!!)

Hoping that some kind soul will help me out,
Pita
Fredrik Ekman
On Thu, 1 Dec 1994, H.W. Fluks wrote:
> Giuseppe Perego. I'll never forget that name

Oh, yeah? I manage to forget it all the time. And then you remind me.
Aaarrgh!

/F
DAVID.A.GERSTEIN
DON: A few "junk" items Scrooge can find in the current tale:
A) A few pillows from the haul he once bought from Miss
Featherbrain on the Isle of Golden Geese.
B) The Golden Fleece coat, with cobwebs hanging from it. (Or
in your mind, does U$ actually wear that thing?)
C) The bear costume from OS 179.
D) The cracked jug-trophy from US 13 (Terry-Fermy).
E) A few of the metal models cranked out when the Paul Bunyan
machines destroyed each other (well, maybe not -- I always found the
fact that those machines could somehow turn their ground muck into
models of the Beagle Boys rather impossible).

That's all I can think of, for now. Take care,
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
Jari Nousiainen
Don:
You ask for items that are remembered from old Barks stories. shat I
first thought, were the medicine bottles from the Tralla La-story. But
I'm not sure if they have already been used in some story, I have a kind
of image in my mind of something like that. I also have a faint idea
about something else, but just can't get it out.

Jari

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Tryg Helseth
DON:

I've been trying to think of various artifacts from $crooges adventures and
have come up with these:

1. Mosquito Blanket (from Back to the Klondike)

2. Crate of horseradish from the Golden Goose.

3. Giant flattened out quarter (from Lost Atlantis)

4. A large container of bottle caps (from Tra La La)

5. From the City of Golden Roofs, the solid gold ingot that
formed inside a rain barrel.

6. A sample bottle labeled "Caution: Oxide of Strombolium," or
a peace pipe cotaining the substance, from The Land of the Pigmy
Indians (or was that "Blue Wood Spirits?")

7. The Minotaur statue from The Fabulous Philosopher's Stone.

8. Samples of neckware sported by the Terryfermians.

9. Ball of Twine from The Second Richest Duck.

10. Tanzayeekan Yeeker from the Unsafe Safe. ($crooge should have stuck
with Oso!)

11. The diamond-like moon stone used to crack $crooges forbidium safe.
(It could even have the forbidium drill bit still imbedded in it.)

Well that's it for now... $scooges treasure trove is going to be busting
at the seams pretty soon.

Tryg

Tryg Helseth <trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu> Minneapolis, MN, USA
or <tryg.helseth at tstation.mn.org>

"I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -the Beach Drakes
Don Rosa
DAVID:
As to your list of items in $crooge's closet:
I decided (in my very first story) that $crooge unraveled his
golden frock and put the fleece back into the old bag, therefore I could
show it in its original form (short of still being on a golden sheep)
when I show it in his "museum". Besides, a solid gold coat in any form
would not be worthless junk in a closet.
I have also shown the Terry Fermian trophy as part of $crooge's
collection of "valuable" items. I'm not sure what value $crooge might
put on it, but it IS an ancient Greek vase, surely worth quite a bit!
Some feathers from the Isle of Golden Geese might be good, but I
shouldn't put them in the form of pillows -- that would be too obscure
for anyone to recognize. I'll use them as feathers.
That bear suit might be good. I'll stick it in there somewhere.
I can't refer back to your list. I think you mentioned the lil'
Beagle Boys statues in "The Paul Bunyan Machine" but you couldn't figure
out what they were made out of? They were made by $crooge's machine from
the BB's machine when $crooge's chewed it up. I'm not sure if anyone
would ever recognize those in $crooge's closet...it was such a
throw-away gag. Maybe.
Thanks for that short list, but you didn't mention any items
that I actually used myself so there must be more still. Keep thinking.
Even Flood
Another item would be one of the bottles of hair remover
$crooge unsucsesfully tried to sell to Indians and that
got him the curse of "Black Wednesday". As this was
one instance $crooge did not make money, it is very
memorable (allthough not to $crooge).

Even Flood
Reference Librarian " Come, and take choice of
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Technical University Library of Norway beguile thy sorrow."
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Mike Pohjola
DON:
In Finnish version of #9, the poem (?) Scrooge represented to
the ladies was something like this:
"The chicks home was Nebraska / Onion Jack had the hots for her /
the smell of his breath / made the maiden run / no need for
any proposion."
I'm not a translator though and that shows, but how was your
original version?

And if Jari is to be trusted, you asked about memorial items
Scrooge might have. Well, how about the leis from Scrooge's private
island and of course those animal-calling-whistles of Junior Woodchucks
and chocolate covered gold ingots from The Strange Shipwrecks or the
crown of the martian in the golden moon (I really would like to see
his return some day) or the golden ship from the story where Scrooge and
Gladstone get in the mining competition at Alaska or the striped ruby or
the maya crown he had to fight with mister Slaptnick for or remains of the
flying rug or golden street stoning from the agen arabian town or a picture
of the polar bear and the dog from the story, where Scrooge was about to
lose his money to mr. Slaptnick of Alaska or the flute that once opened
his moneybin or the magical hour glass which is the basis of his fortune.
(I know, I oughta get the English names of the stories, so that some other
people except me would have a faintest idea of what am I talking about, but
whatcha gonna do?)

--

Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
Mickey Mystery
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I took a closer look on them. There seem to be two artists. Not too
different, but one of them is, IMNSHO, better than the other. The
better one is the one who has _not_ drawn that farm story. The better
one is, among other things, much better in drawing fur and hair.
None of them is Ferioli, BTW. His Mickey has a much bigger head.
Ah, why did I mention Ferioli? Well, his, and these two artists,
mice aren't that different. They all seem to follow this "new" way of
drawing Mickey.

Pocket Books
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Earlier this year someone (must have been Harry) mentioned an Italian
story with Carl Barks. This story was, as far as I remember, published
in the German book #192 (or something close to that). The same story was
published in the Norwegian #152 (#160 was published a couple of weeks
ago). So: Are the German books smaller than the Norwegian, or are there
a lot of books that are skipped, or something, here in Norway?
The Norwegian books have 256 pages. For a short period they had 264
pages.

BTW: I was wrong when I said that we have about 700 regular pages a
month here in Norway -- it's closer to 850.

Jorgen
Don Rosa
TRYG:
Thanks for your list! I won't start analyzing each and every
item on every list (I hope) people send me, but I already have sevearl
of the items you mention like the peace pipe and the ball of (reclaimed)
string. That crate of horseradish sounded good until I realized that
$crooge couldn't have that -- the whole idea was that he owed it to
Chisel McSue. The flattened quarter is perfect, and I guess he might
have some bottle caps, somehow. I don't see when he would've gotten any
Terry Fermian neckware, and the statue from the Labyrinth would be too
big and valuable to be in a junk closet. And if there was a yeeker in
there, he'd need to be stuffed... MAYBE I can get away with that. But as
for that rain-barrel of gold or the diamond moon stone -- again, these
must be USELESS, VALUELESS items... not treasures.

EVEN:
How did you pop up with a single item from such an obscure
story? Nonetheless, it was a good one. I'll add it.

MIKE:
The photo of the sleddog and the polar bear is perfect. But the
Candy-Striped Ruby is one of $crooge's most valuable treasures -- why
would it be in a junk closet?!?!
As for the Magic Hourglass, that is an item from a Barks story
which I have no choice but to regard as non-exiatant... the whole story,
not just the Hourglass. To say that $crooge owes a penny of his fortune
to luck from magic (or to a "lucky dime") goes against everything I
cherish about the character. The Magic Hourglass does not exist.
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