Hello all,
speaking of guns, I have always wondered about those strange pistols that
appear in Murry's Mickey and Goofy stories. I thought they were some
strange invention of the artist, but I have seen something similar flash by
on non-animated movies sometimes. Does anyone know if there is a model for
them in real life?
BTW, is there problems with reprints of these Murry stories too - because
of the guns, I mean?
Karl-Erik Tallmo
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Topic: 199412
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Tallmo
More guns
Message 61 -
1994-12-12 at 23:21:00
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
XMAS stories ++
Message 62 -
1994-12-13 at 01:57:25
Donald Duck & Co JULEPARADE 1994
--------------------------------
The Grandma Duck story (WDC 148K, two pages) is about Gus Goose and
Gus & Jaq trying to get Grandma to join them when they are skating.
Art by Frank MacSavage.
In the wolf story (XMAS Parade, 8 pages) Zeke is trying to catch a
stork. The stork is difficult to catch, but it get it's legs stuck
in the ice. Zeke the brings it home. In the meantime Br'er Bear and
Br'er fox give a turkey to The Li'l Bad Wolf. In return he will make
dinner for all of them.
Zeke comes home with the stork. The ice melts, and the stork
starts to chase Zeke.
The Li'l Bad Wolf prepares the turkey, and the fox and the bear
arrive. They bring a projector as a gift. They start to look at pictures
while they're waiting for Zeke. Then they start to make shadow images,
on the curtain. The Li'l Bad Wolf loves to make images of a stork,
which Zeke sees from the outside. He believes that the terrible bird
is waiting for him in his livingroom, and doesn't dare to enter the
house.
The art is very good. I don't know, but I guess it's Gil Turner.
The Minnie story... I can't really see why there should be any need
to reprint this one. Minnie is reading about Lars Langfinger (who looks
remarkably like Black Pete (no: Svarte Petter)), the notorious Christmas
present thief, in the the newspaper. She gets nervous, and asks Mickey
to bring over Pluto. She feels much more safe with Pluto in the house.
The thief comes, puts a pair of earwarmers (directly translated from
Norwegian) on Pluto, who's sleeping in front of the fireplace.
In the morning Minnie finds that all her presents have been stolen.
Pluto leaves, finds the thief, leads the thief in front of a police man,
and well... that's it.
The art is -- cute. The mice have very big heads, which make them look
more or less like babies.
Uderzo
------
Actually, I don't think there _is_ a legal battle going on. At least not
if you're thinking of the use of very-Asterix-like characters in the
Norwegian campaign against membership in the European Union. Norway is
not becoming a member of the union, so those characters aren't used
anymore.
Uderzo didn't mention any legal problems at all. He said he would start
making a new story in January next year. That's what he said...
His last two stories weren't much to talk about. He's a great artist,
but, as you probably know, it was Rene Goscinny who wrote most of the
stories.
BTW: The second story in the last issue of Mikke Krim (Mickey Mystery)
is about the legal rights to a comic character. The artist, and owner,
of a very popular character, is told by the publisher that it's selling
very few copies. The publisher wants him to sell the rights, so they
can hire cheaper artists to draw it.
BTW2: Tintin is _not_ drawn by any other artists than Herge (Georges Remi).
Except for the movies, he did all the drawing himself. Tintin "died" when
Herge died. He didn't want anyone to continue the stories.
Fotobogo
--------
DAVID: Do you mean that you will change the script, so that the
dictatorship of the police will end, and the people of Fotobogo will be
happy, in those 14 pages? Sounds like an average American TV movie...
DWIGHT:
>I also found an issue of Musse Pigg with that Danish story I worked on
I think you'll get a Norwegian copy quite soon too...
Jorgen
--------------------------------
The Grandma Duck story (WDC 148K, two pages) is about Gus Goose and
Gus & Jaq trying to get Grandma to join them when they are skating.
Art by Frank MacSavage.
In the wolf story (XMAS Parade, 8 pages) Zeke is trying to catch a
stork. The stork is difficult to catch, but it get it's legs stuck
in the ice. Zeke the brings it home. In the meantime Br'er Bear and
Br'er fox give a turkey to The Li'l Bad Wolf. In return he will make
dinner for all of them.
Zeke comes home with the stork. The ice melts, and the stork
starts to chase Zeke.
The Li'l Bad Wolf prepares the turkey, and the fox and the bear
arrive. They bring a projector as a gift. They start to look at pictures
while they're waiting for Zeke. Then they start to make shadow images,
on the curtain. The Li'l Bad Wolf loves to make images of a stork,
which Zeke sees from the outside. He believes that the terrible bird
is waiting for him in his livingroom, and doesn't dare to enter the
house.
The art is very good. I don't know, but I guess it's Gil Turner.
The Minnie story... I can't really see why there should be any need
to reprint this one. Minnie is reading about Lars Langfinger (who looks
remarkably like Black Pete (no: Svarte Petter)), the notorious Christmas
present thief, in the the newspaper. She gets nervous, and asks Mickey
to bring over Pluto. She feels much more safe with Pluto in the house.
The thief comes, puts a pair of earwarmers (directly translated from
Norwegian) on Pluto, who's sleeping in front of the fireplace.
In the morning Minnie finds that all her presents have been stolen.
Pluto leaves, finds the thief, leads the thief in front of a police man,
and well... that's it.
The art is -- cute. The mice have very big heads, which make them look
more or less like babies.
Uderzo
------
Actually, I don't think there _is_ a legal battle going on. At least not
if you're thinking of the use of very-Asterix-like characters in the
Norwegian campaign against membership in the European Union. Norway is
not becoming a member of the union, so those characters aren't used
anymore.
Uderzo didn't mention any legal problems at all. He said he would start
making a new story in January next year. That's what he said...
His last two stories weren't much to talk about. He's a great artist,
but, as you probably know, it was Rene Goscinny who wrote most of the
stories.
BTW: The second story in the last issue of Mikke Krim (Mickey Mystery)
is about the legal rights to a comic character. The artist, and owner,
of a very popular character, is told by the publisher that it's selling
very few copies. The publisher wants him to sell the rights, so they
can hire cheaper artists to draw it.
BTW2: Tintin is _not_ drawn by any other artists than Herge (Georges Remi).
Except for the movies, he did all the drawing himself. Tintin "died" when
Herge died. He didn't want anyone to continue the stories.
Fotobogo
--------
DAVID: Do you mean that you will change the script, so that the
dictatorship of the police will end, and the people of Fotobogo will be
happy, in those 14 pages? Sounds like an average American TV movie...
DWIGHT:
>I also found an issue of Musse Pigg with that Danish story I worked on
I think you'll get a Norwegian copy quite soon too...
Jorgen
Tryg Helseth
Politically incorrect...
Message 63 -
1994-12-13 at 02:06:40
DAVID:
> Are you saying that in WDC 34 (the Cannibal story) that use of
>'Jazzbo' was originally SAMBO??! Ye gods, I thought the version I'd
>seen was already so tasteless that it couldn't get worse.
I guess I don't find that so surprising that a story written in the '40s
would use the word "sambo." But then, as a child in the '50s one of the
Little Golden Books I had was the story of "Little Black Sambo." At the
time, it didn't seem racist, but then I was too young to really know what
racism was.
Attitudes have changed since then, and I remember being shocked in the
'enlightened' '70s when I heard of a new resturant chain named "Sambo's."
(Those resturants are still around, but now they go by the name of
"Denny's.")
One piece of Disney comic censorship that really surprised me was when (in
the '70s again) they reprinted one of my favorites, "Lost Beneath the Sea."
What I thought was the funniest gag in the whole story was removed for fear
of offending someone. It was the scene where Donald and Scrooge are
looking out the window of their bathysphere at the Martians disassembling
wrecked ships each weilding four wrenches with their four arms.
Donald asks what they were as they are were certainly not men! Scrooge
replies,"They're not union workers either!" "What shop steward would let
his men use four wrenches at once?" This was replaced by the insipid line
of "Imagine a worker who could use four wrenches at once!" Or something
like that.
Now admittedly, the original is an unfair slam to union workers (and my
father was an ardent union man), but where do you draw the line? If
anything that might offend someone is censored, then all we're left with is
the mindless pap of that permeates the rest of the Disney genre. I think
that one thing that made Barks stuff good was that it had teeth that would
bite now and then.
Tryg
Tryg Helseth <trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu> Minneapolis, MN, USA
or <tryg.helseth at tstation.mn.org>
"I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -the Beach Drakes
> Are you saying that in WDC 34 (the Cannibal story) that use of
>'Jazzbo' was originally SAMBO??! Ye gods, I thought the version I'd
>seen was already so tasteless that it couldn't get worse.
I guess I don't find that so surprising that a story written in the '40s
would use the word "sambo." But then, as a child in the '50s one of the
Little Golden Books I had was the story of "Little Black Sambo." At the
time, it didn't seem racist, but then I was too young to really know what
racism was.
Attitudes have changed since then, and I remember being shocked in the
'enlightened' '70s when I heard of a new resturant chain named "Sambo's."
(Those resturants are still around, but now they go by the name of
"Denny's.")
One piece of Disney comic censorship that really surprised me was when (in
the '70s again) they reprinted one of my favorites, "Lost Beneath the Sea."
What I thought was the funniest gag in the whole story was removed for fear
of offending someone. It was the scene where Donald and Scrooge are
looking out the window of their bathysphere at the Martians disassembling
wrecked ships each weilding four wrenches with their four arms.
Donald asks what they were as they are were certainly not men! Scrooge
replies,"They're not union workers either!" "What shop steward would let
his men use four wrenches at once?" This was replaced by the insipid line
of "Imagine a worker who could use four wrenches at once!" Or something
like that.
Now admittedly, the original is an unfair slam to union workers (and my
father was an ardent union man), but where do you draw the line? If
anything that might offend someone is censored, then all we're left with is
the mindless pap of that permeates the rest of the Disney genre. I think
that one thing that made Barks stuff good was that it had teeth that would
bite now and then.
Tryg
Tryg Helseth <trygve at maroon.tc.umn.edu> Minneapolis, MN, USA
or <tryg.helseth at tstation.mn.org>
"I wish they all could be Calisota Ducks!" -the Beach Drakes
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
Disney-comics digest #517.
Message 64 -
1994-12-13 at 02:51:08
DAVID:
My favourite stories when I was seven were "Only a poor old man",
"Lost in the Andes" and "The seven cities of Cibola". My favourite
Mickey story was the story were Minnie owns a farm, which cows
mysteriously disappear. Mickey finds out that the thiefs use a
helicopter. I hadn't read those Mickey stories you are mentioning
yet when I was seven.
I must have been about twelve years old when I first read "Monarch
of Medioka". It has since been my favourite Mickey Mouse story.
Actually, "The Phantom of Notre Duck" was also one of my favourites
when I was younger. I just loved all those secret corridors, and
such things. And think of that panel where Donald is swinging around
the highest tower of the cathedral! Ah, I can't wait til I get home.
I didn't have to buy those big white books. My parents bought them
for me. They also bought the weekly magazine for me. The first Disney
story I bought myself, was the adaption of the first Bernard & Bianca
movie. That was in 1979 (I was eight years old at that time).
Jorgen
My favourite stories when I was seven were "Only a poor old man",
"Lost in the Andes" and "The seven cities of Cibola". My favourite
Mickey story was the story were Minnie owns a farm, which cows
mysteriously disappear. Mickey finds out that the thiefs use a
helicopter. I hadn't read those Mickey stories you are mentioning
yet when I was seven.
I must have been about twelve years old when I first read "Monarch
of Medioka". It has since been my favourite Mickey Mouse story.
Actually, "The Phantom of Notre Duck" was also one of my favourites
when I was younger. I just loved all those secret corridors, and
such things. And think of that panel where Donald is swinging around
the highest tower of the cathedral! Ah, I can't wait til I get home.
I didn't have to buy those big white books. My parents bought them
for me. They also bought the weekly magazine for me. The first Disney
story I bought myself, was the adaption of the first Bernard & Bianca
movie. That was in 1979 (I was eight years old at that time).
Jorgen
Bob Wright
Disney-comics digest #520.
Message 65 -
1994-12-13 at 06:20:28
DAVID: It is the "good deeds" story in WDCS 34 (did I say 31?) I'm
referring to. I don't have an original, so I've no way to check it out. I
do have an FC 238, but haven't received my Gladstone DDA album yet. I'll
note the changes you list. I get my books via mail order, and have been
flying blind ever since the discussion on US 290 began.
KARL: I remember wondering about those pistols from the Murray stories
also. I think they are patterned after the Colt Model 1911 or variant
therof. Note the exaggerated external hammer and ejection slot on the
right side of the weapon. The only part that doesn't fit the Colt design
is the barrel extending beyond the end of the slide. A 1911 does do this
when fired, as the recoil moves the slide rearward, extending the barrel.
referring to. I don't have an original, so I've no way to check it out. I
do have an FC 238, but haven't received my Gladstone DDA album yet. I'll
note the changes you list. I get my books via mail order, and have been
flying blind ever since the discussion on US 290 began.
KARL: I remember wondering about those pistols from the Murray stories
also. I think they are patterned after the Colt Model 1911 or variant
therof. Note the exaggerated external hammer and ejection slot on the
right side of the weapon. The only part that doesn't fit the Colt design
is the barrel extending beyond the end of the slide. A 1911 does do this
when fired, as the recoil moves the slide rearward, extending the barrel.
H.W. Fluks
Digests 509 - 519
Message 66 -
1994-12-13 at 10:27:41
Hello everyone,
I have been away to Paris (France) last week, so I have to catch up
more than a week of disney-comics mail. But first, let me 'review'
some of the current French comics.
I could find five Disney comics in France, of which I bought two.
The ones I didn't buy were:
Le Journal de Mickey - contains some Disney and a lot of non-Disney
comics (Dwight: the Dutch DD are not the only issues containing
non-Disney stuff...).
Picsou Something (I forgot the exact title) - a b/w softcover album
reprinting 3 or 4 old comics, containing uninteresting Italian
material.
Mickey Parade, the French equivalent of the pocket books with
Italian material. But they are bigger than the German/Dutch/.. ones.
I bought copies of:
Picsou Magazine #275 - an excellent issue, and if it is this way every
month, the French should be very happy. This issue contained: Rosa's
Life of Scrooge chapter 5 (D 92191 - they added the oval on
Gladstone's cover of chapter *1* to the first page!); Barks'
Philosopher's Stone (integral), a center fold poster reproducing
Barks' oil painting of "Trick or Treat", two shorts by Mau Heymans
(H 93110 and H 9234) and two French 1-page gags: "Fethry at work"
(F 93223; Fethry and Donald are journalists here) and "Flagada
Jones" (this is the French name of Launchpad McQuack, F 94103).
BTW Fredrik: Gyro's name in French is Ge'o Trouvetou, without
final t. Quite a funny name.
Mickey Mystere #5 - I expected to see some of the Myckey Mystery stories
that were discussed here on the list, but in stead this issue
contained a very good Scarpa story (I 231-A from 1960, "The secret of
the necklace"), and a story I even haven't read yet and I'm not
sure I will (G. Martina/M. De Vita, 1977, I 1125, featuring that
Italian super-duck).
The Scarpa story also featured Atomino Bip-bip, who is called
Bi-bop in French.
Interesting that the French give full credits to the Italian stories and
Barks and Rosa ("If Carl Barks created Scrooge, Keno Don Rosa has
recovered his biography."), but do not mention Mau Heymans.
Well, back to last week's digests...
--------
DON about the Dutch reprint of Lo$ chapter 9:
> Chapter 9 had a good translation? What was the dirty limerick
> that $crooge spoke at the poetry recital?
"A girl named Jolly Jessie / peeked in the Loch at Nessie / then she
slipped / and Nessie said loud: / that'll teach Jessie a lesson"
I don't know if "peeked" is the right word. I mean the word when
people watch mostly naked people of the opposite sex without being
seen themselves.
> And was there an obscene word at the end being interrupted as it was
> supposed to be in my script?
No. OK, I was a bit enthousiastic about the translation. They also
left one word balloon blank. But for a Dutch translation, it could have
been much worse.
--------
MIKE P.:
> Who's Daan Jippes? Some dutch guy?
Daan Jippes was editor and art director of the Dutch Disney comics
from 1972 through 1982. In that period, he drew some of the best
Donald Duck stories ever, mostly in co-operation with Freddy Milton.
Most of these (but not all!) stories were reprinted in the early
Gladstone WDC's. He also re-inked some of the rarest Barks "giveaway"
stories. This was done so well, that one can hardly see the difference.
He went to the USA in about 1982, working for Disney in the film
department. As a side job, he drew the Mickey sunday pages for a while,
and from 1986 on he did a lot of covers for Gladstone.
Daan does not work for Disney anymore, but he has a very good
relationship with the Dutch editors, and he still does covers and
an occasional story for them. In 1991, Daan started to re-ink Barks'
Junior Woodchuck stories, and apparently he still does: the latest one
was published in Dutch DD Weekly 47 (H 9401 - about getting rubber from
trees).
Jippes only drew one story with his own characters ("Two for tea" on
a script by Martin Lodewijk), but a lot of Dutch comic artists still
consider him _the_ example.
BTW: Daan Jippes is from Friesland (which can be considered the Lappland
of The Netherlands: a province with its own language). Just like Ub Iwerks
originally.
(I could say many more things about Jippes, but this message is too long
already...)
--------
DAVID:
> There is an Ariel monthly in Britain [containing] a beautifully drawn
> H-coded story. Are these also printed in Holland? If so, where?
Yes, there is a "The Little Mermaid" magazine in Holland. Issue 4
was published this month. Only a few comics, and a lot of other stuff.
The comics indeed are Dutch. Maybe drawn by Jeroen Steehouwer, a young
(and ambitious) artist from Studio Arnhem.
--------
JAMES:
> It's Christmas season and I've got a related question. In the US,
> Christmas means Disney comics involving Santa Claus. Other countries
> have other "images" of Christmas - like Saint Nicholas or Befana (sp?)
> The Witch. Are their Disney comics involving these characters?
Yes indeed. In the low countries (Holland, Belgium) the guy is
called "Sint Nicolaas" or "Sinterklaas", which, if spoken with a
local accent, sounds like "Santaclaus". His day is december 5th,
and every year since (at least) the late 70s the 49th weekly issue
contains a special Donald Duck story about Sinterklaas. Some of them
were very good. In a few cases, they redrew the (USA) Santa Claus in
USA or Danish stories, to make them Sinterklaas stories. They even
changed the texts in some of Barks' stories, where Santa is only
mentioned in the text but not shown.
Because Sinterklaas is not a "Christmas image", but a "December 5th image",
they can easilly reprint Santa Claus stories as well, a few weeks later.
--------
DWIGHT, about Marco Rota's "The Money Ocean":
> in the translation, I simplified the explanation somewhat of why
> Scrooge's business enterprises are experiencing difficulties as a
> result of the ocean-sized money bin. Somebody rewrote my
> translation for the Disney Comics version, and simplified my explanation
> even more. It looks like the Dutch version rewrote the published Disney
> Comics version still further, and I'm not sure it makes a whole lot
> of sense now.
Decker/Gabner: "Because of your overly liquid capital, all your recent
checks have bounced [...]"
Dutch: "Because you put ALL your money in ONE bin, you can't pay any
more bills!"
Does not make much sense, but at least it refers to the beginning of the
story, where the money was in separate bins.
--------
BOB W.:
> The backup Gyro 'lightning power plant' story in US 13 [...] is this
> the only Gyro tale with an appearance by Morty & Ferdie?
At least it's the only BARKS story featuring M&F.
--------
JO/RGEN, about French artist Albert Uderzo:
> He was seven years old when he read his first comic story -- a
> Mickey Mouse story!
This story could not have been Italian, because the first Italian Mickey
stories were published in the 2nd half of the 50s. Shortly thereafter,
the first Asterix story was published. Uderzo was way over 7 by then.
The Italian story they showed in the interview may well have been
the excellent story in Mickey Mystere I was talking about.
--------
About "The Prey of the Transvaal Viper" (or whatever it is titled 8-):
Some of you may know that the word Boer originates from the Dutch -
it means farmer. Also, "Trek" is a Dutch word, meaning several things,
a.o. "travel" and "pull".
Obviously, the Dutch couldn't translate the Boer/bore joke literally.
So they let Glomgold say: "I'm a trekboer!" And Scrooge replies: "Oh?
we use OXES for that!". (Trek-boer = pulling farmer.)
--------
Well, that's it. My editor tells me I just typed in 172 lines.
Should be enough for now!
--Harry.
I have been away to Paris (France) last week, so I have to catch up
more than a week of disney-comics mail. But first, let me 'review'
some of the current French comics.
I could find five Disney comics in France, of which I bought two.
The ones I didn't buy were:
Le Journal de Mickey - contains some Disney and a lot of non-Disney
comics (Dwight: the Dutch DD are not the only issues containing
non-Disney stuff...).
Picsou Something (I forgot the exact title) - a b/w softcover album
reprinting 3 or 4 old comics, containing uninteresting Italian
material.
Mickey Parade, the French equivalent of the pocket books with
Italian material. But they are bigger than the German/Dutch/.. ones.
I bought copies of:
Picsou Magazine #275 - an excellent issue, and if it is this way every
month, the French should be very happy. This issue contained: Rosa's
Life of Scrooge chapter 5 (D 92191 - they added the oval on
Gladstone's cover of chapter *1* to the first page!); Barks'
Philosopher's Stone (integral), a center fold poster reproducing
Barks' oil painting of "Trick or Treat", two shorts by Mau Heymans
(H 93110 and H 9234) and two French 1-page gags: "Fethry at work"
(F 93223; Fethry and Donald are journalists here) and "Flagada
Jones" (this is the French name of Launchpad McQuack, F 94103).
BTW Fredrik: Gyro's name in French is Ge'o Trouvetou, without
final t. Quite a funny name.
Mickey Mystere #5 - I expected to see some of the Myckey Mystery stories
that were discussed here on the list, but in stead this issue
contained a very good Scarpa story (I 231-A from 1960, "The secret of
the necklace"), and a story I even haven't read yet and I'm not
sure I will (G. Martina/M. De Vita, 1977, I 1125, featuring that
Italian super-duck).
The Scarpa story also featured Atomino Bip-bip, who is called
Bi-bop in French.
Interesting that the French give full credits to the Italian stories and
Barks and Rosa ("If Carl Barks created Scrooge, Keno Don Rosa has
recovered his biography."), but do not mention Mau Heymans.
Well, back to last week's digests...
--------
DON about the Dutch reprint of Lo$ chapter 9:
> Chapter 9 had a good translation? What was the dirty limerick
> that $crooge spoke at the poetry recital?
"A girl named Jolly Jessie / peeked in the Loch at Nessie / then she
slipped / and Nessie said loud: / that'll teach Jessie a lesson"
I don't know if "peeked" is the right word. I mean the word when
people watch mostly naked people of the opposite sex without being
seen themselves.
> And was there an obscene word at the end being interrupted as it was
> supposed to be in my script?
No. OK, I was a bit enthousiastic about the translation. They also
left one word balloon blank. But for a Dutch translation, it could have
been much worse.
--------
MIKE P.:
> Who's Daan Jippes? Some dutch guy?
Daan Jippes was editor and art director of the Dutch Disney comics
from 1972 through 1982. In that period, he drew some of the best
Donald Duck stories ever, mostly in co-operation with Freddy Milton.
Most of these (but not all!) stories were reprinted in the early
Gladstone WDC's. He also re-inked some of the rarest Barks "giveaway"
stories. This was done so well, that one can hardly see the difference.
He went to the USA in about 1982, working for Disney in the film
department. As a side job, he drew the Mickey sunday pages for a while,
and from 1986 on he did a lot of covers for Gladstone.
Daan does not work for Disney anymore, but he has a very good
relationship with the Dutch editors, and he still does covers and
an occasional story for them. In 1991, Daan started to re-ink Barks'
Junior Woodchuck stories, and apparently he still does: the latest one
was published in Dutch DD Weekly 47 (H 9401 - about getting rubber from
trees).
Jippes only drew one story with his own characters ("Two for tea" on
a script by Martin Lodewijk), but a lot of Dutch comic artists still
consider him _the_ example.
BTW: Daan Jippes is from Friesland (which can be considered the Lappland
of The Netherlands: a province with its own language). Just like Ub Iwerks
originally.
(I could say many more things about Jippes, but this message is too long
already...)
--------
DAVID:
> There is an Ariel monthly in Britain [containing] a beautifully drawn
> H-coded story. Are these also printed in Holland? If so, where?
Yes, there is a "The Little Mermaid" magazine in Holland. Issue 4
was published this month. Only a few comics, and a lot of other stuff.
The comics indeed are Dutch. Maybe drawn by Jeroen Steehouwer, a young
(and ambitious) artist from Studio Arnhem.
--------
JAMES:
> It's Christmas season and I've got a related question. In the US,
> Christmas means Disney comics involving Santa Claus. Other countries
> have other "images" of Christmas - like Saint Nicholas or Befana (sp?)
> The Witch. Are their Disney comics involving these characters?
Yes indeed. In the low countries (Holland, Belgium) the guy is
called "Sint Nicolaas" or "Sinterklaas", which, if spoken with a
local accent, sounds like "Santaclaus". His day is december 5th,
and every year since (at least) the late 70s the 49th weekly issue
contains a special Donald Duck story about Sinterklaas. Some of them
were very good. In a few cases, they redrew the (USA) Santa Claus in
USA or Danish stories, to make them Sinterklaas stories. They even
changed the texts in some of Barks' stories, where Santa is only
mentioned in the text but not shown.
Because Sinterklaas is not a "Christmas image", but a "December 5th image",
they can easilly reprint Santa Claus stories as well, a few weeks later.
--------
DWIGHT, about Marco Rota's "The Money Ocean":
> in the translation, I simplified the explanation somewhat of why
> Scrooge's business enterprises are experiencing difficulties as a
> result of the ocean-sized money bin. Somebody rewrote my
> translation for the Disney Comics version, and simplified my explanation
> even more. It looks like the Dutch version rewrote the published Disney
> Comics version still further, and I'm not sure it makes a whole lot
> of sense now.
Decker/Gabner: "Because of your overly liquid capital, all your recent
checks have bounced [...]"
Dutch: "Because you put ALL your money in ONE bin, you can't pay any
more bills!"
Does not make much sense, but at least it refers to the beginning of the
story, where the money was in separate bins.
--------
BOB W.:
> The backup Gyro 'lightning power plant' story in US 13 [...] is this
> the only Gyro tale with an appearance by Morty & Ferdie?
At least it's the only BARKS story featuring M&F.
--------
JO/RGEN, about French artist Albert Uderzo:
> He was seven years old when he read his first comic story -- a
> Mickey Mouse story!
This story could not have been Italian, because the first Italian Mickey
stories were published in the 2nd half of the 50s. Shortly thereafter,
the first Asterix story was published. Uderzo was way over 7 by then.
The Italian story they showed in the interview may well have been
the excellent story in Mickey Mystere I was talking about.
--------
About "The Prey of the Transvaal Viper" (or whatever it is titled 8-):
Some of you may know that the word Boer originates from the Dutch -
it means farmer. Also, "Trek" is a Dutch word, meaning several things,
a.o. "travel" and "pull".
Obviously, the Dutch couldn't translate the Boer/bore joke literally.
So they let Glomgold say: "I'm a trekboer!" And Scrooge replies: "Oh?
we use OXES for that!". (Trek-boer = pulling farmer.)
--------
Well, that's it. My editor tells me I just typed in 172 lines.
Should be enough for now!
--Harry.
Lasse Reichstein Nielsen
From RoC
Message 67 -
1994-12-13 at 16:33:53
Here a last minute core-dump from unsent answers to month-old
digests:
dON> ...
>is the function that the nephew team fulfills, but Donald doesn't need
>to follow the Kids' advice since they're just kids. If there was an
>adult around with Donald to tell him how to act like an adult the whole
>story system would collapse.
But he has 3 adults in the house, his best (and only?) friends:
Hughey, Dewey and Louie! As $crooge knows so well, they are the
de facto guardians of Donald as well as the vault of wisdom.
Donald however doesn't take advise from ANYONE, he always learns
the hard way. Orphaned and living alone on a houseboat as a duckling,
without an education, savings or job security, I admire Donald's
ability to cope with a tough life...
>From: James Williams <James_Williams at ESS.NIAID.pc.niaid.nih.gov>
>Subject: Various
>
>Jorgen,
>
>>What's the difference between Barks DD and Disney DD?
>
>Disney's Donald Duck is an actor who play whatever role they
>want him to. Other than a few stereo types (his voice and
>temper) nothing remains the same. Carl Bark claim to fame
>is that he turned this two dimensional character into a
>real person.
In an interview with Danish TV, Barks used the infamous phrase:
"Donald Duck is an actor..." Just like Floyd G. said about MM.
I might produce a transcript for you one day.
---
DIGEST 457-487:
Due to my mail server's recent migration from the Reichstein Mansion,
I've lost my access to a computer (and my dcd-archives) on a daily basis.
I now get a month's worth of mail at a time, and only the Shadow knows
when you'll get this letter.
DAVID:
Just to tell you that I re-read your 'Double DeTrick' story several times,
in all the Nordic languages; finally a writer who knew his Barks.
At the time I had no idea it was you, though.
As requested here are the words Magica used:
Danish: "Yksi, kaksi, fem og seks! G|r mig til en... *dobbeltheks*!"
Swedish: "Ha! Titta d{rf|r noga p}! Nu blir jag... *Magica g}ngar tv}*!"
Norwegian: "Denne hekse-kunsten vil forvandle meg til... *dobbeltheks*!"
Finnish: "Panin loitsun paremmaksi, hokkus pokkus... meit' on kaksi!"
Only the Danish and the Finnish translations are incantations, and the
Danish partly in Finnish! (Yksi, kaksi, kolme = 1 - 2 - 3).
And if - no make it *when* - it appears in the US, please use the title
"Uncle $crooge and the Vesuvan Doppelganger" - as a reference to Richard
Garfield's "Magic - the Gathering" cardgame, where a card of this name
appears, which in all likelihood is based on Barks' "The Many Faces of
Magica de Spell". Preproduction versions of the game used illustrations
from comic books; like "Power Sink" featuring Calvin in a toilet.
The complexity of the game has given it cult-status especially among math-
maticians, so I guess your father would have heard about it, David.
Could you tell us how to subscribe to UK-MM, as I would enjoy an Egmont
issue in the English tongue, instead of the usual North Barbarian dialects.
HARRY (WARNING EVERYBODY: IT'S THE INDEX!)
I would have commented on the index discussion, but I don't remember
(and can't check now) if I finished and sent you a letter recently
(with a new tree-structure for lysator among other things), and don't
know if the subject has been entirely outlawed on the list, so here's
just a (re-?)statement of my opinion:
My index of Danish "Anders And's" has the Danish titles as they appear.
I don't 'correct' a Dutch story to it's original title, though I could
find it in your index. I wouldn't change it to an English title either,
just because Gladstone published it.
Some stories, like "Only a Poor Old Man", are as widely known as the
Gospel of Luke. The wording and the title "Den Lure Onkel Skrue" is just
as canonical, at least here in the Nordic countries, even if it's dated
by half a century. King James' Bible may be a poor translation from the
Hebrew and Greek, but it *is* the first English translation, and if a new
translation differs, it's... wrong somehow.
Why not consider each country's issue files as part of a huge interlingual
reference guide, just like the character list we have, and let the user
of the main program choose the default language of its output?
DIZNIREP *is* supposed to allow 'ornery folks' to use it someday, innit?
Oh, and about Latin-1 and ISO; I substitute the three odd Danish (and
Swedish and Norwegian) characters with {, |, and } (at an early stage I
decided to skip the capitals to speed up typing), so they at least are
different instead of all being x's. Convert at your leisure. Of course
you haven't got my latest index yet, and neither have I; hopefully it's
still somewhere on Lasse's harddisk. Anyway I'll be busy until May '95
unless I'm 'fired' from my current pseudo-job-for-the-unemployed...
Deck the walls with gorgonzola, and if you don't hear from me for a while,
enjoy X-mas, Boxing day, Chanukah, New Year and whatever...
Ole ('RoC') Reichstein Nielsen
(P.S. I haven't had time to read this letter, so there...)
(P.S.S. A *beautiful* Marco Rota story in NDD & DAA #49/94, and what's
that thing with a 'Donna Rosa'?!)
digests:
dON> ...
>is the function that the nephew team fulfills, but Donald doesn't need
>to follow the Kids' advice since they're just kids. If there was an
>adult around with Donald to tell him how to act like an adult the whole
>story system would collapse.
But he has 3 adults in the house, his best (and only?) friends:
Hughey, Dewey and Louie! As $crooge knows so well, they are the
de facto guardians of Donald as well as the vault of wisdom.
Donald however doesn't take advise from ANYONE, he always learns
the hard way. Orphaned and living alone on a houseboat as a duckling,
without an education, savings or job security, I admire Donald's
ability to cope with a tough life...
>From: James Williams <James_Williams at ESS.NIAID.pc.niaid.nih.gov>
>Subject: Various
>
>Jorgen,
>
>>What's the difference between Barks DD and Disney DD?
>
>Disney's Donald Duck is an actor who play whatever role they
>want him to. Other than a few stereo types (his voice and
>temper) nothing remains the same. Carl Bark claim to fame
>is that he turned this two dimensional character into a
>real person.
In an interview with Danish TV, Barks used the infamous phrase:
"Donald Duck is an actor..." Just like Floyd G. said about MM.
I might produce a transcript for you one day.
---
DIGEST 457-487:
Due to my mail server's recent migration from the Reichstein Mansion,
I've lost my access to a computer (and my dcd-archives) on a daily basis.
I now get a month's worth of mail at a time, and only the Shadow knows
when you'll get this letter.
DAVID:
Just to tell you that I re-read your 'Double DeTrick' story several times,
in all the Nordic languages; finally a writer who knew his Barks.
At the time I had no idea it was you, though.
As requested here are the words Magica used:
Danish: "Yksi, kaksi, fem og seks! G|r mig til en... *dobbeltheks*!"
Swedish: "Ha! Titta d{rf|r noga p}! Nu blir jag... *Magica g}ngar tv}*!"
Norwegian: "Denne hekse-kunsten vil forvandle meg til... *dobbeltheks*!"
Finnish: "Panin loitsun paremmaksi, hokkus pokkus... meit' on kaksi!"
Only the Danish and the Finnish translations are incantations, and the
Danish partly in Finnish! (Yksi, kaksi, kolme = 1 - 2 - 3).
And if - no make it *when* - it appears in the US, please use the title
"Uncle $crooge and the Vesuvan Doppelganger" - as a reference to Richard
Garfield's "Magic - the Gathering" cardgame, where a card of this name
appears, which in all likelihood is based on Barks' "The Many Faces of
Magica de Spell". Preproduction versions of the game used illustrations
from comic books; like "Power Sink" featuring Calvin in a toilet.
The complexity of the game has given it cult-status especially among math-
maticians, so I guess your father would have heard about it, David.
Could you tell us how to subscribe to UK-MM, as I would enjoy an Egmont
issue in the English tongue, instead of the usual North Barbarian dialects.
HARRY (WARNING EVERYBODY: IT'S THE INDEX!)
I would have commented on the index discussion, but I don't remember
(and can't check now) if I finished and sent you a letter recently
(with a new tree-structure for lysator among other things), and don't
know if the subject has been entirely outlawed on the list, so here's
just a (re-?)statement of my opinion:
My index of Danish "Anders And's" has the Danish titles as they appear.
I don't 'correct' a Dutch story to it's original title, though I could
find it in your index. I wouldn't change it to an English title either,
just because Gladstone published it.
Some stories, like "Only a Poor Old Man", are as widely known as the
Gospel of Luke. The wording and the title "Den Lure Onkel Skrue" is just
as canonical, at least here in the Nordic countries, even if it's dated
by half a century. King James' Bible may be a poor translation from the
Hebrew and Greek, but it *is* the first English translation, and if a new
translation differs, it's... wrong somehow.
Why not consider each country's issue files as part of a huge interlingual
reference guide, just like the character list we have, and let the user
of the main program choose the default language of its output?
DIZNIREP *is* supposed to allow 'ornery folks' to use it someday, innit?
Oh, and about Latin-1 and ISO; I substitute the three odd Danish (and
Swedish and Norwegian) characters with {, |, and } (at an early stage I
decided to skip the capitals to speed up typing), so they at least are
different instead of all being x's. Convert at your leisure. Of course
you haven't got my latest index yet, and neither have I; hopefully it's
still somewhere on Lasse's harddisk. Anyway I'll be busy until May '95
unless I'm 'fired' from my current pseudo-job-for-the-unemployed...
Deck the walls with gorgonzola, and if you don't hear from me for a while,
enjoy X-mas, Boxing day, Chanukah, New Year and whatever...
Ole ('RoC') Reichstein Nielsen
(P.S. I haven't had time to read this letter, so there...)
(P.S.S. A *beautiful* Marco Rota story in NDD & DAA #49/94, and what's
that thing with a 'Donna Rosa'?!)
M. Mitchell Marmel
Peeking...
Message 68 -
1994-12-13 at 17:51:29
(as yet another lurker unlurks...)
>I don't know if "peeked" is the right word. I mean the word when
>people watch mostly naked people of the opposite sex without being
>seen themselves.
That's "peeped". As in "Peeping Tom".
ObComics: Picked up "Mickey Mouse Meets the Air Pirates" #1 and #2
recently, along with a vintage "The Mouse is Loose!" button from the Mouse
Liberation Front...For those of you not in the know, "Pirates" got the
creators in hot water about twenty years by depicting Mickey and Minnie
doing the nasty, among other things...
============================================================================
M. Mitchell Marmel \ Scattered, smothered, covered, chunked,
Drexel University \ whipped, beaten, chained and pierced.
Department of Materials Engineering \ *THE BEST HASHBROWNS IN THE WORLD!*
Fibrous Materials Research Laboratory\ marmelmm at dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu
============================================================================
>I don't know if "peeked" is the right word. I mean the word when
>people watch mostly naked people of the opposite sex without being
>seen themselves.
That's "peeped". As in "Peeping Tom".
ObComics: Picked up "Mickey Mouse Meets the Air Pirates" #1 and #2
recently, along with a vintage "The Mouse is Loose!" button from the Mouse
Liberation Front...For those of you not in the know, "Pirates" got the
creators in hot water about twenty years by depicting Mickey and Minnie
doing the nasty, among other things...
============================================================================
M. Mitchell Marmel \ Scattered, smothered, covered, chunked,
Drexel University \ whipped, beaten, chained and pierced.
Department of Materials Engineering \ *THE BEST HASHBROWNS IN THE WORLD!*
Fibrous Materials Research Laboratory\ marmelmm at dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu
============================================================================
August DeBlieck
More junk for Don
Message 69 -
1994-12-13 at 18:25:29
Date: 13-Dec-1994 11:18am EST
From: DeBlieck, August
ADEBLIEC
Dept: STUDENT
Tel No:
TO: Remote INTERNET Address ( _IN%DISNEY-COMICS at MINSK.DOCS.UU.SE )
Subject: More junk for Don
First of all, a thank you is in order to all those who answered my
DuckTales questions a while back. Just this past weekend I finally got
caught up on my Disney Digests, so I got to read all your comments. (It's
a lot of fun to read 20 - 25 digests in a row!)
DON:
Terror of the Transvaal: I am embarassed to admit that I didn't recognize
Flintheart immediately. Whoops. Part of it goes back to DuckTales (the
subject which would never die). I'm so used to seeing Flinty as Scottish
that I didn't think of him at first. Halfway through the story I realized
he had to be SOMEONE, as you weren't mentioning his exact name. And about
3/4 through I realized it had to be Flinty.
Also, two other ideas for junk. There was a story reprinted in the later
days of Gladstone's first run that Barks did with Rockerduck and involving
some super-fast motor-oil or gas. Donald won the race, thus losing
Scrooge the bet. Maybe you could have a bottle of that stuff somewhere?
Or even the engine from the boat -which was all that was left, if I
remember correctly.
Another idea was a story where Donald sold U$ a life insurance policy and
so U$ goes out to try to hurt himself so he can collect the policy (which
was a billion dollars, I think). Maybe U$ still has the policy somewhere.
In any case, good luck with the story.
-Augie De Blieck Jr.
P.S. What about some leftover clothing or some such from my favorite Uncle
Scrooge story "His Majesty, McDuck"? I loved Scrooge in that regal robe.
Surely that's somewhere.
From: DeBlieck, August
ADEBLIEC
Dept: STUDENT
Tel No:
TO: Remote INTERNET Address ( _IN%DISNEY-COMICS at MINSK.DOCS.UU.SE )
Subject: More junk for Don
First of all, a thank you is in order to all those who answered my
DuckTales questions a while back. Just this past weekend I finally got
caught up on my Disney Digests, so I got to read all your comments. (It's
a lot of fun to read 20 - 25 digests in a row!)
DON:
Terror of the Transvaal: I am embarassed to admit that I didn't recognize
Flintheart immediately. Whoops. Part of it goes back to DuckTales (the
subject which would never die). I'm so used to seeing Flinty as Scottish
that I didn't think of him at first. Halfway through the story I realized
he had to be SOMEONE, as you weren't mentioning his exact name. And about
3/4 through I realized it had to be Flinty.
Also, two other ideas for junk. There was a story reprinted in the later
days of Gladstone's first run that Barks did with Rockerduck and involving
some super-fast motor-oil or gas. Donald won the race, thus losing
Scrooge the bet. Maybe you could have a bottle of that stuff somewhere?
Or even the engine from the boat -which was all that was left, if I
remember correctly.
Another idea was a story where Donald sold U$ a life insurance policy and
so U$ goes out to try to hurt himself so he can collect the policy (which
was a billion dollars, I think). Maybe U$ still has the policy somewhere.
In any case, good luck with the story.
-Augie De Blieck Jr.
P.S. What about some leftover clothing or some such from my favorite Uncle
Scrooge story "His Majesty, McDuck"? I loved Scrooge in that regal robe.
Surely that's somewhere.
DAVID.A.GERSTEIN
Guns, Fotobogo, and season's greetings
Message 70 -
1994-12-13 at 18:31:31
Dear Folks,
ALL: Some of you may have misinterpreted Disney's gun policy
slightly. Guns CAN be pointed at a character -- just NOT jammed
hard right into someone's face (as in LO$ 3). And in reprints of old
stories, they're willing to even show the latter (i. e. the reprint
of WDC&S 78 "safe" story in an album last year). BTW, Scrooge isn't
jamming his pistol right into the Beagles' mugs in the end of that
Strobl story. He's just holding them off with it from several
metres away. Same as the prime ministers aiming a machine gun at the
crowd in this month's "Medioka" chapter. Disney's policy seems more
or less consistent, if (IMHO) entirely unwarranted.
In my own "Return to Morgan's Island" script (to be drawn for
Gladstone next year), the villain -- who is wearing a pirate outfit --
holds a gun at some points, but when he jams a weapon into
someone's face, it's his cutlass. Disney agreed to that.
Disney's "studio stories" allowed only blunderbusses? Whatever
rules were in operation for those stories are long gone.
Now that all this is settled... where did Scrooge GET that
pistol in the last frame of "Bye-Bye Money Bin"? Are we supposed to
believe he carried it with him on that whole vacation earlier on?
Re: MURRY: The problem with reprinting this stuff has nothing
to do with guns or even weapons. It's just that the best ones have
mostly been reprinted, and the other good ones are mostly around 24
pages in length, making them impossible to fit in anywhere. Okay,
they could be broken into halves (as opposed to the original thirds)
and used in DM, but both Disney themselves and Bruce Hamilton favor
the Diaz Goofys to any other non-Gottfredson old American stories.
JORGEN: No, I'm not going to solve all of Fotobogo's problems.
But I need to imply that some kind of resolution is possible.
Fotobogo seems to be not a country, but only one large and isolated
city. So why do Victoria and Rosa want to get out? Not just to
escape, but to spread word to the country's central government is,
that the police in that one city are abusing their power. And that's
just why Police Chief Pomposito DOESN'T want to see Victorio and
Rosa leave. Doesn't this make sense?
By the way, the people of Fotobogo seem for the most part
happy under the CURRENT rule. And why not? The police have
effectively caused them to believe that Victorio's band are bandits
and thieves, so they don't really know about the corruption (or that,
for example, their taxes and such are actually being embezzled, and
other such dirty dealings).
That's all for now, folks. I may or may not be back tomorrow.
If not, I hope the next few weeks go well for all of you -- I'm off
on holiday, and I'll have a bunch of digests waiting on my return. I
may also have a big box from Geir then (and I'll notify you
immediately Geir -- and send the int'l money order then, too.
Remember to send it to my SCOTTISH address, which I've given several
times). Before that, I'll be actually meeting Fabio and Harry! Ah,
how great it is to have this Digest.
Best holiday wishes,
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
"Christmas is humbug and ought to be washed off the calendar!"
-- Carl Barks
ALL: Some of you may have misinterpreted Disney's gun policy
slightly. Guns CAN be pointed at a character -- just NOT jammed
hard right into someone's face (as in LO$ 3). And in reprints of old
stories, they're willing to even show the latter (i. e. the reprint
of WDC&S 78 "safe" story in an album last year). BTW, Scrooge isn't
jamming his pistol right into the Beagles' mugs in the end of that
Strobl story. He's just holding them off with it from several
metres away. Same as the prime ministers aiming a machine gun at the
crowd in this month's "Medioka" chapter. Disney's policy seems more
or less consistent, if (IMHO) entirely unwarranted.
In my own "Return to Morgan's Island" script (to be drawn for
Gladstone next year), the villain -- who is wearing a pirate outfit --
holds a gun at some points, but when he jams a weapon into
someone's face, it's his cutlass. Disney agreed to that.
Disney's "studio stories" allowed only blunderbusses? Whatever
rules were in operation for those stories are long gone.
Now that all this is settled... where did Scrooge GET that
pistol in the last frame of "Bye-Bye Money Bin"? Are we supposed to
believe he carried it with him on that whole vacation earlier on?
Re: MURRY: The problem with reprinting this stuff has nothing
to do with guns or even weapons. It's just that the best ones have
mostly been reprinted, and the other good ones are mostly around 24
pages in length, making them impossible to fit in anywhere. Okay,
they could be broken into halves (as opposed to the original thirds)
and used in DM, but both Disney themselves and Bruce Hamilton favor
the Diaz Goofys to any other non-Gottfredson old American stories.
JORGEN: No, I'm not going to solve all of Fotobogo's problems.
But I need to imply that some kind of resolution is possible.
Fotobogo seems to be not a country, but only one large and isolated
city. So why do Victoria and Rosa want to get out? Not just to
escape, but to spread word to the country's central government is,
that the police in that one city are abusing their power. And that's
just why Police Chief Pomposito DOESN'T want to see Victorio and
Rosa leave. Doesn't this make sense?
By the way, the people of Fotobogo seem for the most part
happy under the CURRENT rule. And why not? The police have
effectively caused them to believe that Victorio's band are bandits
and thieves, so they don't really know about the corruption (or that,
for example, their taxes and such are actually being embezzled, and
other such dirty dealings).
That's all for now, folks. I may or may not be back tomorrow.
If not, I hope the next few weeks go well for all of you -- I'm off
on holiday, and I'll have a bunch of digests waiting on my return. I
may also have a big box from Geir then (and I'll notify you
immediately Geir -- and send the int'l money order then, too.
Remember to send it to my SCOTTISH address, which I've given several
times). Before that, I'll be actually meeting Fabio and Harry! Ah,
how great it is to have this Digest.
Best holiday wishes,
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
"Christmas is humbug and ought to be washed off the calendar!"
-- Carl Barks
H.W. Fluks
Dutch accent
Message 71 -
1994-12-13 at 18:32:04
David, about Dutch 'dialect' in US 290:
I think you mix up the words dialect and accent. In America, there
may be no difference, but I'm sure you don't want anyone talking
a Dutch dialect in a USA comic. That would be for instance
"Netuurlek! Da's mien waark" (Gronings dialect).
On the other hand, how to transscribe English with a (heavy) Dutch
accent? To me, the sentence "Certainly! That's my job" would sound
like "Surr-tenly! Det's my geop". But would that be a clear Dutch
accent to an American reader?
I can imagine that some Dutch readers would be offended if their language
would be treated like "slightly mingled German". Rosa's original
text "Zertanly! Dot's mine chobe!" sounds more German than Dutch to
me (especially the 'mine' word). Just like "Fliegende Hollander" is
German: the Dutch would be "Vliegende Hollander" (that one letter
makes a difference!).
In general, most Dutch are more flattered that their country or
language is mentioned at all, than that they are offended by wrong
use of it. I myself prefer the correct use. Just like I prefer everything
else being correct in a Barks or Rosa story.
BTW: I haven't read US 290 yet. In the Dutch translation, there's no
accent at all, of course.
--Harry.
"Dis is aur Zeelandbrug"
P.S. There was an article in a Dutch language magazine ("Onze Taal")
that stated that all expressions with the word 'Dutch' in them,
which are _always_ negative, are banned in the political correct USA.
So no Dutch uncle, Dutch treat, double Dutch, etc. etc.
I think you mix up the words dialect and accent. In America, there
may be no difference, but I'm sure you don't want anyone talking
a Dutch dialect in a USA comic. That would be for instance
"Netuurlek! Da's mien waark" (Gronings dialect).
On the other hand, how to transscribe English with a (heavy) Dutch
accent? To me, the sentence "Certainly! That's my job" would sound
like "Surr-tenly! Det's my geop". But would that be a clear Dutch
accent to an American reader?
I can imagine that some Dutch readers would be offended if their language
would be treated like "slightly mingled German". Rosa's original
text "Zertanly! Dot's mine chobe!" sounds more German than Dutch to
me (especially the 'mine' word). Just like "Fliegende Hollander" is
German: the Dutch would be "Vliegende Hollander" (that one letter
makes a difference!).
In general, most Dutch are more flattered that their country or
language is mentioned at all, than that they are offended by wrong
use of it. I myself prefer the correct use. Just like I prefer everything
else being correct in a Barks or Rosa story.
BTW: I haven't read US 290 yet. In the Dutch translation, there's no
accent at all, of course.
--Harry.
"Dis is aur Zeelandbrug"
P.S. There was an article in a Dutch language magazine ("Onze Taal")
that stated that all expressions with the word 'Dutch' in them,
which are _always_ negative, are banned in the political correct USA.
So no Dutch uncle, Dutch treat, double Dutch, etc. etc.
M. Mitchell Marmel
Getting into Dutch...
Message 72 -
1994-12-13 at 19:49:28
>like "Surr-tenly! Det's my geop". But would that be a clear Dutch
>accent to an American reader?
As an American, I read 'geop' as 'jee-awp'. Maybe 'chob' or 'jop'?
>I can imagine that some Dutch readers would be offended if their language
>would be treated like "slightly mingled German".
Sort of like someone from Loo-ee-ville being depicted as having a heavy Noo
Yawk accent, eh, Don? (grin)
>which are _always_ negative, are banned in the political correct USA.
>So no Dutch uncle, Dutch treat, double Dutch, etc. etc.
Not so much banned as simply out of fashion. More's the shame; most US
kids nowadays simply aren't being raised with as rich a background in idiom
as we were back in the old days...
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>accent to an American reader?
As an American, I read 'geop' as 'jee-awp'. Maybe 'chob' or 'jop'?
>I can imagine that some Dutch readers would be offended if their language
>would be treated like "slightly mingled German".
Sort of like someone from Loo-ee-ville being depicted as having a heavy Noo
Yawk accent, eh, Don? (grin)
>which are _always_ negative, are banned in the political correct USA.
>So no Dutch uncle, Dutch treat, double Dutch, etc. etc.
Not so much banned as simply out of fashion. More's the shame; most US
kids nowadays simply aren't being raised with as rich a background in idiom
as we were back in the old days...
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Wilmer Rivers
Dutch influence on English
Message 73 -
1994-12-13 at 21:16:29
Come to think of it, there are no references in the English language
to the Dutch other than negative ones, at least that come to mind.
So political correctness will indeed have the effect of making the
Dutch be a non-nationality. Well, maybe "dutch oven" or "dutch doors",
but in a modern household, who sees those any more. If you ask school
children what do they know about the Dutch, they will tell you that
they wear wooden shoes. Of course, the English word for a wooden
shoe is "sabot", and that in turn has given us "sabotage" (literally,
"the damage done to machinery by wooden shoes"). So Dutch is definitely
a dirty word in English! By the way, I didn't know that Daan Jippes is
from Friesland ("the Lapland of Holland"). Does he therefore speak
Frisian as his native tongue? Frisian is the language mostly closely
related to English of all the other Teutonic languages, and native
speakers of English thus find a Frisian accent disconcertingly foreign
and familiar at the same time. Have those of you on the list who have
met Jippes found this to be the case?
Wilmer Rivers
to the Dutch other than negative ones, at least that come to mind.
So political correctness will indeed have the effect of making the
Dutch be a non-nationality. Well, maybe "dutch oven" or "dutch doors",
but in a modern household, who sees those any more. If you ask school
children what do they know about the Dutch, they will tell you that
they wear wooden shoes. Of course, the English word for a wooden
shoe is "sabot", and that in turn has given us "sabotage" (literally,
"the damage done to machinery by wooden shoes"). So Dutch is definitely
a dirty word in English! By the way, I didn't know that Daan Jippes is
from Friesland ("the Lapland of Holland"). Does he therefore speak
Frisian as his native tongue? Frisian is the language mostly closely
related to English of all the other Teutonic languages, and native
speakers of English thus find a Frisian accent disconcertingly foreign
and familiar at the same time. Have those of you on the list who have
met Jippes found this to be the case?
Wilmer Rivers
Dennis Recla
Barks Story
Message 74 -
1994-12-13 at 22:16:29
I may be bringing up an old topic, but recently joined this group, I've
been collecting US for quite some time. In US 287 there was a comment in
the back that Carl Barks has a new duck story being drawn by Van Horn and
to be released in Europe. Does anyone know the status of this. I missed
a meeting with Carl back in November here in Grants Pass, but looking
forward to an opportunity sometime soon.
Got to see Don Rosa in Dallas a few years back and my son got an original
hand drawn $crooge from him for my collection. It is one of the
treasured pieces in my Uncle $crooge collection. Plus it is great to see
you are active in this net group.
Like someone else mentioned it's getting harder and harder to get the US
comics before they are gone from the shelves. I've missed 289 and on a
quest to locate one.
been collecting US for quite some time. In US 287 there was a comment in
the back that Carl Barks has a new duck story being drawn by Van Horn and
to be released in Europe. Does anyone know the status of this. I missed
a meeting with Carl back in November here in Grants Pass, but looking
forward to an opportunity sometime soon.
Got to see Don Rosa in Dallas a few years back and my son got an original
hand drawn $crooge from him for my collection. It is one of the
treasured pieces in my Uncle $crooge collection. Plus it is great to see
you are active in this net group.
Like someone else mentioned it's getting harder and harder to get the US
comics before they are gone from the shelves. I've missed 289 and on a
quest to locate one.
M. Mitchell Marmel
Dutch influence on English
Message 75 -
1994-12-13 at 22:37:03
>Dutch be a non-nationality. Well, maybe "dutch oven" or "dutch doors",
>but in a modern household, who sees those any more.
Well, you do have Dutch Masters cigars and Old Dutch cleanser...
>they wear wooden shoes. Of course, the English word for a wooden
>shoe is "sabot",
French, actually, I think.
>"the damage done to machinery by wooden shoes"). So Dutch is definitely
>a dirty word in English!
Oddly enough, Ronald Reagan's nickname is "Dutch". Coincidence? I think
not. (evil grin)
Mitch
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>but in a modern household, who sees those any more.
Well, you do have Dutch Masters cigars and Old Dutch cleanser...
>they wear wooden shoes. Of course, the English word for a wooden
>shoe is "sabot",
French, actually, I think.
>"the damage done to machinery by wooden shoes"). So Dutch is definitely
>a dirty word in English!
Oddly enough, Ronald Reagan's nickname is "Dutch". Coincidence? I think
not. (evil grin)
Mitch
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Department of Materials Engineering \ *THE BEST HASHBROWNS IN THE WORLD!*
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