I must apologize about 5 messsages that should never have been on this list.
After my Easter Vacation, some Idiot had crammed my mailbox with about 50
messages where he looked for a female companion. I don't know why he mailed
me, but about 5 of these messages seems to have been mailed via the list,
so in a furious anger I replied to all the messages (including the ones
to this list, WHICH I NEVER MEANT TO DO!)
So I sincerely apologize for these messages, and I hope noone got offended.
-jonC
Author
Topic: 199504
(154 messages)
Jon Cato Lorentzen
Sorry for 5 messages
Message 121 -
1995-04-24 at 12:13:08
9475609
History waiting to be read!
Message 122 -
1995-04-24 at 20:24:40
EVERYONE: For months, the WWW site has had a place where the
"history of Disney comics in America" was supposed to go, but in
brackets next to that, it said that the link didn't lead to anything
yet. Well, I've written such a history -- pretty lengthy, as it turned
out, given what Per wanted me to cover -- and Per's put it at the
WWW-site now, so you can read it.
That site is: http://www.update.uu.se/~starback/disney-comics
Or if you don't have WWW access and want to read my article,
E-mail me and I'll send it to you that way.
DON: I just realized that I misstated why you started working for
Egmont in this history! I'll fix that soon. (I said it was Disney's
implosion that caused it -- how'd THAT happen?)
I've also updated my introduc(k)tion to talk about some of my
goals in my comics career and add some updated information about my jobs
for one duck editor or another. In fact, Per has put all our
introduc(k)tions on the WWW page now, so they don't have to be ftped
anymore.
DD 291 CAME OUT last week. Has Barks' "Fearsome Flowers" opening
the book, plus 16 pages of AT dailies and 3 Strobl 1-pagers. That's 29
pages of comics (!) but I can't say they're the most exciting ones. The
AT strips ARE all uncensored and include a very funny sequence based on
the film "Donald's Ostrich" -- reprinted for the first time since 1941.
The comic has a beautiful Italian cover illustrating the Barks story.
It's a Cavazzano-style DD, perhaps the first one that has ever appeared
on an American comic.
This week in DM we finish "Goofy Midas." "Mickey Aladdin" begins
next issue with Mickey as Aladdin and, of course, Goofy as the Genie.
Disney already ran a story like this in WDC&S 584 and I don't think this
one can be much better.... >sigh< But that's just my opinion. Seems to
me, by the way, that no one's list of Goofy History stories that I've
yet seen includes this one. Maybe fewer countries published it because
it starred Mickey, not Goofy.
Eight months from now, when "Aladdin" is over, we get a Ferioli
story. But who's counting the days? ;-)
"history of Disney comics in America" was supposed to go, but in
brackets next to that, it said that the link didn't lead to anything
yet. Well, I've written such a history -- pretty lengthy, as it turned
out, given what Per wanted me to cover -- and Per's put it at the
WWW-site now, so you can read it.
That site is: http://www.update.uu.se/~starback/disney-comics
Or if you don't have WWW access and want to read my article,
E-mail me and I'll send it to you that way.
DON: I just realized that I misstated why you started working for
Egmont in this history! I'll fix that soon. (I said it was Disney's
implosion that caused it -- how'd THAT happen?)
I've also updated my introduc(k)tion to talk about some of my
goals in my comics career and add some updated information about my jobs
for one duck editor or another. In fact, Per has put all our
introduc(k)tions on the WWW page now, so they don't have to be ftped
anymore.
DD 291 CAME OUT last week. Has Barks' "Fearsome Flowers" opening
the book, plus 16 pages of AT dailies and 3 Strobl 1-pagers. That's 29
pages of comics (!) but I can't say they're the most exciting ones. The
AT strips ARE all uncensored and include a very funny sequence based on
the film "Donald's Ostrich" -- reprinted for the first time since 1941.
The comic has a beautiful Italian cover illustrating the Barks story.
It's a Cavazzano-style DD, perhaps the first one that has ever appeared
on an American comic.
This week in DM we finish "Goofy Midas." "Mickey Aladdin" begins
next issue with Mickey as Aladdin and, of course, Goofy as the Genie.
Disney already ran a story like this in WDC&S 584 and I don't think this
one can be much better.... >sigh< But that's just my opinion. Seems to
me, by the way, that no one's list of Goofy History stories that I've
yet seen includes this one. Maybe fewer countries published it because
it starred Mickey, not Goofy.
Eight months from now, when "Aladdin" is over, we get a Ferioli
story. But who's counting the days? ;-)
Cdoberman
Thanks Don
Message 123 -
1995-04-25 at 04:36:42
DON: Again, it was a pleasure meeting you at Wonder Con, and thank you for
defacing my Uncle Scrooge cover with your autograph. I hope your tail
feathers survived that stool.
You have asked twice now, "Who is CDoberman?" Well, that really is the
question, isn't it. Cdoberman, as you know is Captain Doberman, but who is
he *really?* I'm sure it's a question each of us has asked at one time or
another. I've spent a little time admiring his exploits, and yet he is
somewhat of a chameleon; coming to know the canine can be confusing. My
first encounter was in Floyd Gottfredson's "Sky Island." In this story,
Captain Doberman is a dashing, debonair, Clark Gable-esqe Air Force
commander. My next encounter was in the older story, "Mickey, Mail Pilot,"
and Captain Doberman seemed to be somewhat of a Sad Sack mutt. This more
accessible character inspired me greatly. I think it was the fact that
Captain Doberman would one day overcome his sloppy ways to achieve heroics,
most likely inspired by his association with the Mouse. I found great
comfort in this tale of personal redemption, sketchy as it might be. And for
me, that is as good an answer as I can give to the question, "Who is
Cdoberman?" ;)
Wes Andersen
"But, Mickey! It's SUICIDE! We'll be KILLED! How'll we ever land without
wheels?" -- Captain Doberman
defacing my Uncle Scrooge cover with your autograph. I hope your tail
feathers survived that stool.
You have asked twice now, "Who is CDoberman?" Well, that really is the
question, isn't it. Cdoberman, as you know is Captain Doberman, but who is
he *really?* I'm sure it's a question each of us has asked at one time or
another. I've spent a little time admiring his exploits, and yet he is
somewhat of a chameleon; coming to know the canine can be confusing. My
first encounter was in Floyd Gottfredson's "Sky Island." In this story,
Captain Doberman is a dashing, debonair, Clark Gable-esqe Air Force
commander. My next encounter was in the older story, "Mickey, Mail Pilot,"
and Captain Doberman seemed to be somewhat of a Sad Sack mutt. This more
accessible character inspired me greatly. I think it was the fact that
Captain Doberman would one day overcome his sloppy ways to achieve heroics,
most likely inspired by his association with the Mouse. I found great
comfort in this tale of personal redemption, sketchy as it might be. And for
me, that is as good an answer as I can give to the question, "Who is
Cdoberman?" ;)
Wes Andersen
"But, Mickey! It's SUICIDE! We'll be KILLED! How'll we ever land without
wheels?" -- Captain Doberman
Steve Crooks
Should I have U$ 292?
Message 124 -
1995-04-25 at 05:39:19
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Has anyone else who subscribes through Gladstone to Uncle $crooge received
issue 292? Is it time for me to call and have another one sent, or am I
over-eager?
--
--Steve Crooks scrooks at tyrell.net
"Consequences, shmonsequences, as long as I'm rich." -- Daffy Duck
Has anyone else who subscribes through Gladstone to Uncle $crooge received
issue 292? Is it time for me to call and have another one sent, or am I
over-eager?
--
--Steve Crooks scrooks at tyrell.net
"Consequences, shmonsequences, as long as I'm rich." -- Daffy Duck
Mark Semich
The Life and Times of $crooge McDuck
Message 125 -
1995-04-25 at 06:16:26
DON:
OK, I've been debating for a while now whether to write this
posting. I don't want to disrupt the spirit of this list with possibly
controversial material, but there has been something bothering me about
the Lo$ series that I couldn't quite put my finger on until I read Chapter
8. I guess that things have now gotten to the point where it's bothering
me so much that I feel I must mention it.
Initially, as an aside, I'd like to say that I've been a big fan
of your work since I first read "Last Sled to Dawson", one of the best
comic book stories ever done. (It's long overdue for Gladstone to reprint
this one - perhaps they could use it along with any other "young Scrooge"
stories you may do as part of the forthcoming Lo$ compilation.) I also
must say that Lo$ is the best comic book story being published, and is a
truly wonderful piece of work.
This is mostly about my impressions of Bark's Scrooge vs. the
Scrooge that we see in Lo$. I've come to the conclusion that these
seemingly two similar characters are in fact two very different
characters. The facts and details of both Barks' stories and yours may
show me wrong on this, and perhaps there was no other approach you could
take that would fit with all of the Barksian minutiae, but, as I said,
this is about my *impressions* of the character:
I've always seen Barks presenting Scrooge as a duck who has made
his riches by working as hard as he could ever since he was very young,
and by scrimping and saving every penny that he ever earned, slowly
building his fortune, slowly becoming rich, slowly turning himself into
the miser that we see on Bear Mountain.
Yet in Lo$, rather than that more realistic (and possibly
admirable) approach, Scrooge is a man who *does* work hard his entire
life, but is basically poor in *spite* of all that hard work - at the
begining of Ch. 8 he has not saved anything at all, he's still living hand
to mouth. In addition, he goes from being poor to being rich in an
instant. Sure, this makes for a more dramatic moment, as if all of his
hard work "finally paid off," rather than *continuously* and *slowly*
paying off. I feel that this presentation is antithetical to Barks' "hard
work and savings" Scrooge and basically eliminates the most important
aspect of Scrooge McDuck.
I also thought that the vengeful "Dark Knight McDuck" presentation
of Scrooge when he hears of his Mother's death was a bit much for a Disney
book, and like others overseas, I thought this approach should have been
reserved for image/Marvel-like books. You had mentioned that those with
this criticism were mis-interpeting that bit in your story, but it reads
to me like they were right.
Again, most sincere apologies for these criticisms, but I've long
been a Scrooge McDuck fan, so I had to say them.
OK, I've been debating for a while now whether to write this
posting. I don't want to disrupt the spirit of this list with possibly
controversial material, but there has been something bothering me about
the Lo$ series that I couldn't quite put my finger on until I read Chapter
8. I guess that things have now gotten to the point where it's bothering
me so much that I feel I must mention it.
Initially, as an aside, I'd like to say that I've been a big fan
of your work since I first read "Last Sled to Dawson", one of the best
comic book stories ever done. (It's long overdue for Gladstone to reprint
this one - perhaps they could use it along with any other "young Scrooge"
stories you may do as part of the forthcoming Lo$ compilation.) I also
must say that Lo$ is the best comic book story being published, and is a
truly wonderful piece of work.
This is mostly about my impressions of Bark's Scrooge vs. the
Scrooge that we see in Lo$. I've come to the conclusion that these
seemingly two similar characters are in fact two very different
characters. The facts and details of both Barks' stories and yours may
show me wrong on this, and perhaps there was no other approach you could
take that would fit with all of the Barksian minutiae, but, as I said,
this is about my *impressions* of the character:
I've always seen Barks presenting Scrooge as a duck who has made
his riches by working as hard as he could ever since he was very young,
and by scrimping and saving every penny that he ever earned, slowly
building his fortune, slowly becoming rich, slowly turning himself into
the miser that we see on Bear Mountain.
Yet in Lo$, rather than that more realistic (and possibly
admirable) approach, Scrooge is a man who *does* work hard his entire
life, but is basically poor in *spite* of all that hard work - at the
begining of Ch. 8 he has not saved anything at all, he's still living hand
to mouth. In addition, he goes from being poor to being rich in an
instant. Sure, this makes for a more dramatic moment, as if all of his
hard work "finally paid off," rather than *continuously* and *slowly*
paying off. I feel that this presentation is antithetical to Barks' "hard
work and savings" Scrooge and basically eliminates the most important
aspect of Scrooge McDuck.
I also thought that the vengeful "Dark Knight McDuck" presentation
of Scrooge when he hears of his Mother's death was a bit much for a Disney
book, and like others overseas, I thought this approach should have been
reserved for image/Marvel-like books. You had mentioned that those with
this criticism were mis-interpeting that bit in your story, but it reads
to me like they were right.
Again, most sincere apologies for these criticisms, but I've long
been a Scrooge McDuck fan, so I had to say them.
DucksEtc.
Egmont stories "locked out" of America
Message 126 -
1995-04-25 at 06:20:19
DAVID G.:
I wasn't aware that Pat Block was going to be doing new stories for most
issues of DDA. If that's the case then it certainly will make it harder for
other new material to appear. Still I'm glad that Gladstone is making more of
a commitment to new material and I'm glad to see Block doing more.
I'm really not sure how to respond to your assessment of the remaining
Gladstone titles. The situation you describe is based--I assume--on what
Gladstone is currently doing with those titles. Will that continue to be the
case? I don't know for sure. Have you talked or written to John Clark to find
out?
I think most of us would like to see Gladstone reprint more quality Egmont
stories, newly-commissioned U.S. stories and classic old stories
(particularly Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse) that have never or rarely been
reprinted. I suspect most of the people at Gladstone would like to see more
of all that too. And--if you take the long view--I think eventually most of
these things will happen. (Otherwise eventually Gladstone will run out of
material. There's a lot of wonderful Barks material, but you can only reprint
it so many times in a space of a few years.)
I'm sure you would do some things differently if you were in charge of
Gladstone. Me too. But we're not in charge. And I can't think of any reason
why Bruce Hamilton would (or should) change his approach to business just
because we tell him we'd like to have more of our stories printed.
Despite all these years in the business, I've barely met Bruce. So I really
shouldn't speculate about his reactions. Don Rosa knows Bruce far better and
perhaps he has an opinion on all this.
In any event, I have my doubts about your idea of a petition asking Bruce to
change the make-up of his comics. I have no reason to think Bruce would react
favorably and I don't think you're going to be doing the cause (or yourself)
any good by formally petitioning Bruce.
I'm sorry I can't be more encouraging.
----John Lustig
I wasn't aware that Pat Block was going to be doing new stories for most
issues of DDA. If that's the case then it certainly will make it harder for
other new material to appear. Still I'm glad that Gladstone is making more of
a commitment to new material and I'm glad to see Block doing more.
I'm really not sure how to respond to your assessment of the remaining
Gladstone titles. The situation you describe is based--I assume--on what
Gladstone is currently doing with those titles. Will that continue to be the
case? I don't know for sure. Have you talked or written to John Clark to find
out?
I think most of us would like to see Gladstone reprint more quality Egmont
stories, newly-commissioned U.S. stories and classic old stories
(particularly Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse) that have never or rarely been
reprinted. I suspect most of the people at Gladstone would like to see more
of all that too. And--if you take the long view--I think eventually most of
these things will happen. (Otherwise eventually Gladstone will run out of
material. There's a lot of wonderful Barks material, but you can only reprint
it so many times in a space of a few years.)
I'm sure you would do some things differently if you were in charge of
Gladstone. Me too. But we're not in charge. And I can't think of any reason
why Bruce Hamilton would (or should) change his approach to business just
because we tell him we'd like to have more of our stories printed.
Despite all these years in the business, I've barely met Bruce. So I really
shouldn't speculate about his reactions. Don Rosa knows Bruce far better and
perhaps he has an opinion on all this.
In any event, I have my doubts about your idea of a petition asking Bruce to
change the make-up of his comics. I have no reason to think Bruce would react
favorably and I don't think you're going to be doing the cause (or yourself)
any good by formally petitioning Bruce.
I'm sorry I can't be more encouraging.
----John Lustig
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #644.
Message 127 -
1995-04-25 at 18:15:00
>HARRY:
What's this message from Fabio? He can't send it to the list himself?
I do hope he sends me that newspaper article about me. And I hope
he'll set aside copies of the new Italian comics that reprint my stories.
But ask him if he recently sent me a big registered package of stuff -- I
received a big pack of Italian "fanzines" with articles about me (such as a
cover-feature in something called "IF - Imaginary Fumetti" that he wrote) as
well as the other Italian Disney artists. But there was no letter or return
address included, so I don't know where it came from.
DAVID:
There's really a "Ranger List" for fans of that TV series?
And they REALLY threw you off for having vaguely non-Disney-Zombie
leanings? I was wondering if I'd been wrong in my ideas about those other
Disney BBSs, but they seem to be showing me I'm not. They really can't
tolerate anything but 100% gleeful agreement with everything Disney is and
does, eh? Totalitarianism lives.
These are the VERY people who need to see some extra little truths
told. I think it's obvious that such people are not Disney fans if they can
only be so by ignoring everything they don't want to know and pretending it
doesn't exist. We here on this list are Disney fans even though we
acknowledge Disney's flaws and failures. Who, then, are the more
intelligent, discerning and truest devotees? It's rather obvious.
One of my ideas is that it's BECAUSE of Disney-Zombies that Disney's
unfair policies can continue. They help Disney keep it quiet, they help keep
it out of the public eye. Disney will naturally soon change some of these
ancient policies... it's a system too backward to last much longer; but the
Zombies help push that day a little further off each time they boot somebody
like you off their boards. And we on here all know what an arrogant little
snot you are -- always pushing everybody around and condemning Disney to
Hades (Of course, you are not that way at all -- it's astounding they
couldn't tolerate a few truths spoken by such a polite fellow as yourself.
Really, really sad!)
Anyway, about DUCK DAZE, as I told you I was asked my Jymn Magon to
help come up with the guidelines for that series, but I declined. I knew
they would be treating Donald again as an ACTOR and not a CHARACTER, again
ignoring everything that makes Donald still Disney's most popular character
(everywhere in the world but HERE)... which is to say, ignoring BARKS'
version of Donald. And while DUCK DAZE might be as good as DUCK TALES, it
will doubtlessly be as far from accuracy as DUCK TALES and will come and
eventually go away without doing any lasting harm to Donald, just as DUCK
TALES did with $crooge. DUCK TALES never bothered me since I knew that
Disney's $crooge is a different character than the comic-book (TRUE)
$crooge. And Disney's Donald in DUCK DAZE won't be our Donald, so we can
ignore it as well.
But you know, they lose about 99% of my potential interest right off
the bat with that insulting title! DUCK TALES would have seemed infinitely
better to me if they had simply used a respectable title like "The
Adventures of $crooge McDuck". Now, Donald's show is "DUCK DAZE". Ecch. But
I guess that makes it possible to license it separately from the old Donald?
TWO licen$e$?! And that name looks nicer on lunch boxes and T-shirts? I
s'pose so...
What's this message from Fabio? He can't send it to the list himself?
I do hope he sends me that newspaper article about me. And I hope
he'll set aside copies of the new Italian comics that reprint my stories.
But ask him if he recently sent me a big registered package of stuff -- I
received a big pack of Italian "fanzines" with articles about me (such as a
cover-feature in something called "IF - Imaginary Fumetti" that he wrote) as
well as the other Italian Disney artists. But there was no letter or return
address included, so I don't know where it came from.
DAVID:
There's really a "Ranger List" for fans of that TV series?
And they REALLY threw you off for having vaguely non-Disney-Zombie
leanings? I was wondering if I'd been wrong in my ideas about those other
Disney BBSs, but they seem to be showing me I'm not. They really can't
tolerate anything but 100% gleeful agreement with everything Disney is and
does, eh? Totalitarianism lives.
These are the VERY people who need to see some extra little truths
told. I think it's obvious that such people are not Disney fans if they can
only be so by ignoring everything they don't want to know and pretending it
doesn't exist. We here on this list are Disney fans even though we
acknowledge Disney's flaws and failures. Who, then, are the more
intelligent, discerning and truest devotees? It's rather obvious.
One of my ideas is that it's BECAUSE of Disney-Zombies that Disney's
unfair policies can continue. They help Disney keep it quiet, they help keep
it out of the public eye. Disney will naturally soon change some of these
ancient policies... it's a system too backward to last much longer; but the
Zombies help push that day a little further off each time they boot somebody
like you off their boards. And we on here all know what an arrogant little
snot you are -- always pushing everybody around and condemning Disney to
Hades (Of course, you are not that way at all -- it's astounding they
couldn't tolerate a few truths spoken by such a polite fellow as yourself.
Really, really sad!)
Anyway, about DUCK DAZE, as I told you I was asked my Jymn Magon to
help come up with the guidelines for that series, but I declined. I knew
they would be treating Donald again as an ACTOR and not a CHARACTER, again
ignoring everything that makes Donald still Disney's most popular character
(everywhere in the world but HERE)... which is to say, ignoring BARKS'
version of Donald. And while DUCK DAZE might be as good as DUCK TALES, it
will doubtlessly be as far from accuracy as DUCK TALES and will come and
eventually go away without doing any lasting harm to Donald, just as DUCK
TALES did with $crooge. DUCK TALES never bothered me since I knew that
Disney's $crooge is a different character than the comic-book (TRUE)
$crooge. And Disney's Donald in DUCK DAZE won't be our Donald, so we can
ignore it as well.
But you know, they lose about 99% of my potential interest right off
the bat with that insulting title! DUCK TALES would have seemed infinitely
better to me if they had simply used a respectable title like "The
Adventures of $crooge McDuck". Now, Donald's show is "DUCK DAZE". Ecch. But
I guess that makes it possible to license it separately from the old Donald?
TWO licen$e$?! And that name looks nicer on lunch boxes and T-shirts? I
s'pose so...
Sherline
Disney-comics digest #644.
Message 128 -
1995-04-25 at 22:26:30
> There's really a "Ranger List" for fans of that TV series?
Actually, if you care to, you may access a web page
http://bonkers.neosoft/com to read about the history of the list.
No, it is not a list just for fans of that TV series, as I am
a subscriber and personally really disliked
Rescue Rangers . It is a list devoted to discussing
shows put out as part of the Disney afternoon line-up OR put out
by Disney's Television division.
> These are the VERY people who need to see some extra little truths
> told. I think it's obvious that such people are not Disney fans if they can
> only be so by ignoring everything they don't want to know and pretending it
> doesn't exist. We here on this list are Disney fans even though we
> acknowledge Disney's flaws and failures. Who, then, are the more
> intelligent, discerning and truest devotees? It's rather obvious.
Actually as a member of Ranger-list, I don't think those
who pass judgement without trying it for themselves are
being fair. Ranger-list is not filled with those who
blindly agree with everything Disney does. However
those who simply get on and say "That show sucks!" without
explaining why are encouraged not to.
I don't know why David was removed from the list, and
the only thing I remember was that he was not pleased
with the angle Duck Daze seemed to be taking.
If you wish to see the scope of his letters, they
are also archived on the ranger-list web page.
David did not send anything inflammatory to the list,
nor was he the first one to voice his discontent with
a particular show. But as far as his correspondence with
Tad Stones, one of the producers with WDTV, I can not speak for
either of them as to what took place.
As far as the show Duck Daze is concerned, none of us have
actually seen a finished episode for Duck Daze and therefore can not
give a truly informed opinion.
Just my thoughts.
Sherline Lee
Actually, if you care to, you may access a web page
http://bonkers.neosoft/com to read about the history of the list.
No, it is not a list just for fans of that TV series, as I am
a subscriber and personally really disliked
Rescue Rangers . It is a list devoted to discussing
shows put out as part of the Disney afternoon line-up OR put out
by Disney's Television division.
> These are the VERY people who need to see some extra little truths
> told. I think it's obvious that such people are not Disney fans if they can
> only be so by ignoring everything they don't want to know and pretending it
> doesn't exist. We here on this list are Disney fans even though we
> acknowledge Disney's flaws and failures. Who, then, are the more
> intelligent, discerning and truest devotees? It's rather obvious.
Actually as a member of Ranger-list, I don't think those
who pass judgement without trying it for themselves are
being fair. Ranger-list is not filled with those who
blindly agree with everything Disney does. However
those who simply get on and say "That show sucks!" without
explaining why are encouraged not to.
I don't know why David was removed from the list, and
the only thing I remember was that he was not pleased
with the angle Duck Daze seemed to be taking.
If you wish to see the scope of his letters, they
are also archived on the ranger-list web page.
David did not send anything inflammatory to the list,
nor was he the first one to voice his discontent with
a particular show. But as far as his correspondence with
Tad Stones, one of the producers with WDTV, I can not speak for
either of them as to what took place.
As far as the show Duck Daze is concerned, none of us have
actually seen a finished episode for Duck Daze and therefore can not
give a truly informed opinion.
Just my thoughts.
Sherline Lee
Leylim Erenel
Unsubscribe
Message 129 -
1995-04-25 at 23:02:39
I would like to be removed from this list. Thanks.
Carey Furlong - Tdoc
Should I have U$ 292?
Message 130 -
1995-04-26 at 01:49:49
> Has anyone else who subscribes through Gladstone to Uncle $crooge received
> issue 292? Is it time for me to call and have another one sent, or am I
> over-eager?
>
> --
> --Steve Crooks scrooks at tyrell.net
> "Consequences, shmonsequences, as long as I'm rich." -- Daffy Duck
I have not gotten mine yet either, although I picked up 2 retail
copies in the local supermarkets.
"Brain and brain. What is brain?"
--------------- Spock's Brain ---
---- Carey ----
Carey Furlong, Huntington Beach, CA; CompuServe 70531,2753;
Prodigy TXST34A; furlong at ug.eds.com; Opinions expressed
here are mine and do not represent those of EDS.
> issue 292? Is it time for me to call and have another one sent, or am I
> over-eager?
>
> --
> --Steve Crooks scrooks at tyrell.net
> "Consequences, shmonsequences, as long as I'm rich." -- Daffy Duck
I have not gotten mine yet either, although I picked up 2 retail
copies in the local supermarkets.
"Brain and brain. What is brain?"
--------------- Spock's Brain ---
---- Carey ----
Carey Furlong, Huntington Beach, CA; CompuServe 70531,2753;
Prodigy TXST34A; furlong at ug.eds.com; Opinions expressed
here are mine and do not represent those of EDS.
DAVID.A.GERSTEIN
Disney-comics digest #645.
Message 131 -
1995-04-26 at 18:12:17
WES:
> [In FG's "Island in the Sky"] Captain Doberman is a dashing,
> debonair, Clark Gable-esqe Air Force commander . . . [while in "The
>Mail Pilot"] Captain Doberman seemed to be a Sad Sack mutt.
Er -- the Sad Sack character in "The Mail Pilot" is Captain
Doberman's mechanic, Gloomy, isn't it? The only change in Cap
Doberman over the years is that he's quite stocky in his first three
stories, substantially thinner in "The Pirate Submarine," and his
final, svelte self after that. I don't think his personality changed
all that much.
STEVE:
I had two Gladstone subscriptions in the 1980s, and the comics were
always slow. I don't think they ever actually lost one, but they
were awfully sluggish in reaching my doorstep at times. So don't
worry, the comic is most likely yet to come.
JOHN L.:
> The situation you describe [strict formats that Gladstone uses for
> DD and DM, laid down by Bruce Hamilton] is based--I assume--on what
> Gladstone is currently doing with those titles. Will that continue to be the
> case? Have you talked or written to John Clark to find out?
Yes.
> I can't think of any reason why Bruce Hamilton would (or should)
> change his approach to business just because we tell him we'd like to
> have more of our stories printed.
You want reasons? I've got 'em!
A) THE UPHOLD-YOUR-SLOGAN REASON. Hamilton's subscription ads
actually ANNOUNCE that he's printing your stories, John. He isn't.
B) THE ECONOMIC REASON. The "Mickey" stories in DM sell badly even
to Mickey fans, from what I've heard.
C) THE READER-INPUT REASON. At least 50% of the letters in DD
actually discussing the comic (many are simply trivia questions)
criticize its AT overload. Similar situation in DM.
D) THE "BRUCE'S FAVORITES" REASON. Stories that Bruce Hamilton
likes (i. e. Goofy 44-pagers) gets printed. Mr. Hamilton also sees
very few of the new Egmont stories, because Gladstone's foreign
reference subscriptions are delivered to the office, and he works
outside the office a lot of the time. So the sets of "What Bruce
Hamilton Likes" and "New Egmont Stories" don't intersect often merely
because they don't have the CHANCE to. If Mr. Hamilton received a
package of "Egmont stories by Lustig, Gerstein, Rawson, Gilbert, and
Ingersoll," along with letters from the lot of us, things might
change. I have the strong conviction that our current stories would
be a hit with him.
DAVE: On the phone, you once mentioned having done some Mickey
stories with Eli Squinch. Can you perhaps tell us which ones these
are and when we might expect to see them anywhere? Have you used any
other vintage FG characters?
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
"The only way for anyone to get ahead of Mickey Mouse -- is to run in
front of him!"
> [In FG's "Island in the Sky"] Captain Doberman is a dashing,
> debonair, Clark Gable-esqe Air Force commander . . . [while in "The
>Mail Pilot"] Captain Doberman seemed to be a Sad Sack mutt.
Er -- the Sad Sack character in "The Mail Pilot" is Captain
Doberman's mechanic, Gloomy, isn't it? The only change in Cap
Doberman over the years is that he's quite stocky in his first three
stories, substantially thinner in "The Pirate Submarine," and his
final, svelte self after that. I don't think his personality changed
all that much.
STEVE:
I had two Gladstone subscriptions in the 1980s, and the comics were
always slow. I don't think they ever actually lost one, but they
were awfully sluggish in reaching my doorstep at times. So don't
worry, the comic is most likely yet to come.
JOHN L.:
> The situation you describe [strict formats that Gladstone uses for
> DD and DM, laid down by Bruce Hamilton] is based--I assume--on what
> Gladstone is currently doing with those titles. Will that continue to be the
> case? Have you talked or written to John Clark to find out?
Yes.
> I can't think of any reason why Bruce Hamilton would (or should)
> change his approach to business just because we tell him we'd like to
> have more of our stories printed.
You want reasons? I've got 'em!
A) THE UPHOLD-YOUR-SLOGAN REASON. Hamilton's subscription ads
actually ANNOUNCE that he's printing your stories, John. He isn't.
B) THE ECONOMIC REASON. The "Mickey" stories in DM sell badly even
to Mickey fans, from what I've heard.
C) THE READER-INPUT REASON. At least 50% of the letters in DD
actually discussing the comic (many are simply trivia questions)
criticize its AT overload. Similar situation in DM.
D) THE "BRUCE'S FAVORITES" REASON. Stories that Bruce Hamilton
likes (i. e. Goofy 44-pagers) gets printed. Mr. Hamilton also sees
very few of the new Egmont stories, because Gladstone's foreign
reference subscriptions are delivered to the office, and he works
outside the office a lot of the time. So the sets of "What Bruce
Hamilton Likes" and "New Egmont Stories" don't intersect often merely
because they don't have the CHANCE to. If Mr. Hamilton received a
package of "Egmont stories by Lustig, Gerstein, Rawson, Gilbert, and
Ingersoll," along with letters from the lot of us, things might
change. I have the strong conviction that our current stories would
be a hit with him.
DAVE: On the phone, you once mentioned having done some Mickey
stories with Eli Squinch. Can you perhaps tell us which ones these
are and when we might expect to see them anywhere? Have you used any
other vintage FG characters?
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
"The only way for anyone to get ahead of Mickey Mouse -- is to run in
front of him!"
Cdoberman
Should I have U$ 292?
Message 132 -
1995-04-26 at 22:24:12
Steve:
Gladstone's subscription services are awful. I am letting my subscription to
WDC&S run out. It always came at least 6 or 7 weeks after it showed up at
Lee's Comics. Lee's will order and hold for me any title I want, so why
should I sit around for a month and a half waiting for Gladstone to get their
act together? It really is pathetic.
Wes
Gladstone's subscription services are awful. I am letting my subscription to
WDC&S run out. It always came at least 6 or 7 weeks after it showed up at
Lee's Comics. Lee's will order and hold for me any title I want, so why
should I sit around for a month and a half waiting for Gladstone to get their
act together? It really is pathetic.
Wes
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
A few comments to David
Message 133 -
1995-04-27 at 00:26:10
DAVID:
> The U$ "Black Diamond" story D91392 is drawn by Scalabroni
Ah, so he is doing other things than these stupid Gyro stories. The art
in this story is even quite good.
> Also, you mention an artist named "David" -- do you mean Xavi here?
No. I have no idea who he is, but when DD&Co gave credits, his name was
under some "Chip'n Dale" and "Br'er Rabbit" stories. He seems to be the
one who draw Br'er Rabbit with that big hair curl on the top of the head.
Extremely cute, but not bad.
ME:
> Super Goof (D91310, 6 pages). The art looks like Ferioli.
DAVID:
> This is actually by Esteban, one of the last "good" stories he did
> before the art editors laid down the law that he had to begin drawing
> like Paul Murry c. 1971. (That is no joke -- it's actually what
> happened.)
Difficult to find anything to say to that... Where is Esteban now, BTW?
Next week there will be a new viking story by Marco Rota in DD&Co.
Jorgen
> The U$ "Black Diamond" story D91392 is drawn by Scalabroni
Ah, so he is doing other things than these stupid Gyro stories. The art
in this story is even quite good.
> Also, you mention an artist named "David" -- do you mean Xavi here?
No. I have no idea who he is, but when DD&Co gave credits, his name was
under some "Chip'n Dale" and "Br'er Rabbit" stories. He seems to be the
one who draw Br'er Rabbit with that big hair curl on the top of the head.
Extremely cute, but not bad.
ME:
> Super Goof (D91310, 6 pages). The art looks like Ferioli.
DAVID:
> This is actually by Esteban, one of the last "good" stories he did
> before the art editors laid down the law that he had to begin drawing
> like Paul Murry c. 1971. (That is no joke -- it's actually what
> happened.)
Difficult to find anything to say to that... Where is Esteban now, BTW?
Next week there will be a new viking story by Marco Rota in DD&Co.
Jorgen
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
DD&Co #14
Message 134 -
1995-04-27 at 00:30:23
Now it's almost a month since I sent the last review of the Norwegian
weekly. Here comes three new reviews, at last. Sorry for the delay.
Donald Duck & Co #14 1995
-------------------------
- Junior Woodchucks (H92107, 12 pages). Art by Daan Jippes (can't be
anyone else).
The Woodchucks are going out in the desert to search for some hidden
gold. They're doing this because they need money. Out there they
discover a flock of wild horses. They also discover some hunters
who are catching the horses. They (the Woodchucks) don't take this
too seriously until they discover that the horses are being sent to
a factory producing dog food. The hunters, although being pictured
as bad guys, are doing this legally, and the Woodchucks use their
last money to buy the horses. Seemingly because of gratefulness,
the horses show them where the gold is hidden.
Is this one of the Barks/Jippes stories? It isn't mentioned in Harry's
index. The art is very good. The story, although not at all bad, isn't
too exciting, but it is quite interesting.
- Mickey Mouse (D93391, 6 pages). Art by Scott Saavedra.
Mickey and Goofy are hired to move a car from Duckburg, to some
other place, for some millionaire. Of course this isn't as easy as it
seems to be...
The story is just pointless. The art isn't extremely bad, but he could
use some more shading here ;-) The art was better, much better actually,
in that jungle story.
- Donald Duck (D92540, 4 pages). Art by Xavi.
Donald is hired to run a post office. He's following every rule in
the book. This doesn't exactly make him popular, and he can't expect
to be treated very kind when he suddenly meet his first customer when
he's about to start his car. The car isn't parked correctly, and the
earlier customer shows up to be a parking guard.
Nice idea, but four pages?
- The Beagle Boys (D93295, 6 pages).
The BB are trying to steal some money from a yacht belonging to a film
editor.
Boring.
- Uncle Scrooge (D94066, 8+ pages). Don Rosa.
Second part of the story. I'll write about this story later.
- Pluto (KF 8.13.39, 1 page).
Jorgen
weekly. Here comes three new reviews, at last. Sorry for the delay.
Donald Duck & Co #14 1995
-------------------------
- Junior Woodchucks (H92107, 12 pages). Art by Daan Jippes (can't be
anyone else).
The Woodchucks are going out in the desert to search for some hidden
gold. They're doing this because they need money. Out there they
discover a flock of wild horses. They also discover some hunters
who are catching the horses. They (the Woodchucks) don't take this
too seriously until they discover that the horses are being sent to
a factory producing dog food. The hunters, although being pictured
as bad guys, are doing this legally, and the Woodchucks use their
last money to buy the horses. Seemingly because of gratefulness,
the horses show them where the gold is hidden.
Is this one of the Barks/Jippes stories? It isn't mentioned in Harry's
index. The art is very good. The story, although not at all bad, isn't
too exciting, but it is quite interesting.
- Mickey Mouse (D93391, 6 pages). Art by Scott Saavedra.
Mickey and Goofy are hired to move a car from Duckburg, to some
other place, for some millionaire. Of course this isn't as easy as it
seems to be...
The story is just pointless. The art isn't extremely bad, but he could
use some more shading here ;-) The art was better, much better actually,
in that jungle story.
- Donald Duck (D92540, 4 pages). Art by Xavi.
Donald is hired to run a post office. He's following every rule in
the book. This doesn't exactly make him popular, and he can't expect
to be treated very kind when he suddenly meet his first customer when
he's about to start his car. The car isn't parked correctly, and the
earlier customer shows up to be a parking guard.
Nice idea, but four pages?
- The Beagle Boys (D93295, 6 pages).
The BB are trying to steal some money from a yacht belonging to a film
editor.
Boring.
- Uncle Scrooge (D94066, 8+ pages). Don Rosa.
Second part of the story. I'll write about this story later.
- Pluto (KF 8.13.39, 1 page).
Jorgen
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
DD&Co #15
Message 135 -
1995-04-27 at 00:33:49
Donald Duck & Co #15 1995
-------------------------
- Donald Duck (D93280, 10 pages). Art by Vicar.
Uncle Scrooge, Donald and the nephews are going to Solaria to find
out why the workers in one of Scrooge's mining companies have stopped
working. The nephews are in a bad mood, because there is an easter
egg contest at the school. The point is to paint the best looking egg,
and one boy in their class use to always win the contest.
They come to Solaria, and find that the workers don't dare to work,
because the area is governed by a pygme king and his tribe.
US & Co go out to find the king. On their way they save the life of a
pygme, who they think is a child. They meet the king who calls them
his friends, because they saved his brother. Scrooge tells him that
he'll leave the area to the pygmes. The nephews bring back a painted
ostricht egg, and win the contest.
Well... the writer knows Barks, no doubt about that, but the story is
too short to be really good. Scrooge & co is saved from a bunch of
dangerous animals by the pygmes, but is that a good enough reason for
him to just leave the area to them? Everything seems to be just stuffed
into too few pages. The art is good, BTW.
You Americans won't see this anyway -- the pygmes are black.
- Mickey Mouse (D93228, 5 pages).
Mickey and Goofy are hired to hide some jewels. One of Goofy's old
aunts are visiting them at the same time. She saves the jewels from a
thief.
The art isn't too bad, whoever did it, but the story is quite pointless.
- Donald Duck (D93337, 7 pages). Art by Santanach.
Daisy has got tickets to a 25 years anniversary at the school where she
and Donald gratuated 25 years ago. Donald tries everything to destroy
the tickets, or to find any reason not to go to the party. At last he
has to give up. The reason was that he never finished the final exam,
and was too emabarassed about this.
ZZZZZZZ
- Uncle Scrooge (D94066, 8+ pages). Don Rosa.
- Donald Duck (KF 18.8.46). Bob Karp, Al Taliaferro.
Jorgen
-------------------------
- Donald Duck (D93280, 10 pages). Art by Vicar.
Uncle Scrooge, Donald and the nephews are going to Solaria to find
out why the workers in one of Scrooge's mining companies have stopped
working. The nephews are in a bad mood, because there is an easter
egg contest at the school. The point is to paint the best looking egg,
and one boy in their class use to always win the contest.
They come to Solaria, and find that the workers don't dare to work,
because the area is governed by a pygme king and his tribe.
US & Co go out to find the king. On their way they save the life of a
pygme, who they think is a child. They meet the king who calls them
his friends, because they saved his brother. Scrooge tells him that
he'll leave the area to the pygmes. The nephews bring back a painted
ostricht egg, and win the contest.
Well... the writer knows Barks, no doubt about that, but the story is
too short to be really good. Scrooge & co is saved from a bunch of
dangerous animals by the pygmes, but is that a good enough reason for
him to just leave the area to them? Everything seems to be just stuffed
into too few pages. The art is good, BTW.
You Americans won't see this anyway -- the pygmes are black.
- Mickey Mouse (D93228, 5 pages).
Mickey and Goofy are hired to hide some jewels. One of Goofy's old
aunts are visiting them at the same time. She saves the jewels from a
thief.
The art isn't too bad, whoever did it, but the story is quite pointless.
- Donald Duck (D93337, 7 pages). Art by Santanach.
Daisy has got tickets to a 25 years anniversary at the school where she
and Donald gratuated 25 years ago. Donald tries everything to destroy
the tickets, or to find any reason not to go to the party. At last he
has to give up. The reason was that he never finished the final exam,
and was too emabarassed about this.
ZZZZZZZ
- Uncle Scrooge (D94066, 8+ pages). Don Rosa.
- Donald Duck (KF 18.8.46). Bob Karp, Al Taliaferro.
Jorgen