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M. Mitchell Marmel
>of it, the cost of paper has skyrocketed in the past year, and this is
>something which may effect the future of comic books in general (or already
>has, obviously).

An interesting sidenote to this is that recycling newsprint is actually
becoming very profitable these days...

>$1.50 comics will have no cover stock. The 4 pages being eliminated will be
>the wrap-around cover. The first page of the interior comic will have the
>"cover" of the comic.

Hum! So no glossy cover, but decent white stock? Intertesting...

Methinks that's going to give the books a bit of a 'fanzine' feel...

>are probably suitably "Unwashed") will react to this change.

Good question. Readers have been conditioned to expect covers in
everything except cheap giveaways from Radio Shack and the like.

>decide they don't like EITHER style, I guess you won't be seeing the last
>chapters of the "Lo$", eh?)

Don't even JOKE about THAT.

Mitch
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Deckerd
Thank you, Don, for explaining what Gladstone is doing with
its new format. I got a brochure from Gladstone a couple of
days ago, apparently sent out to all customers and subscribers,
that didn't make the essential point clear enough for my muzzy
brain to comprehend. Somehow I had the idea it would be 28
interior pages plus four slick cover pages, which seemed
unlikely because interior comic-book pages have always been
multiples of 16 (due to printing and binding procedures).

Now I get it. All newsprint, no cover stock. In one sense
it's a wonder nobody's tried this before as the ultimate
cost-cutting measure (though the ultimate in sleazy cost-
cutting had to be Marvel's one-page-turned-sideways-to-
make-two-pages gimmick back in the '70s). Maybe the reason
why nobody's tried it is because it's such a drastic
departure from the public perception of what comic books are
supposed to look like.

This really sounds bad, to be honest. Slick cover stock does
serve a purpose: protection. I foresee increased shipping
damage, ink-smeared covers from handling. Not to mention
buyer resistance: the book is going to _look_ cheaper and
shabbier.

I'm old enough to remember predictions by knowledgeable fans
and professionals back in the early '70s that the basic 32-
page newsprint comic book + four pages of slick cover stock
was a dinosaur headed for extinction. Production costs were
going up, sales were declining, distribution was drying up.
At one point, Marvel was down to 17 pages of story content,
the rest mostly paid advertising. The feeling was that the
format had hit bottom: you couldn't drop another signature
and go to 16 pages, you couldn't sell more advertising pages,
you couldn't raise the price by some significant amount...
oh no, the 32-page comic book was about to go the way of the
Big Little Book.

Without getting into the history of the last 20 years in comics,
that didn't happen. I think the underlying reason is basically
that the 32-page comic book is a convenient size, reflecting
some convergence of factors like how many pages an artist can
draw in a month and how much a reader will pay for some minimum
amount of entertainment in a handy package. Today's comic books
sell for amounts of money that we would have thought hideous
two decades ago, while circulations have declined to shockingly
small numbers, but the 32-pager has endured.

Now the drastic rise in the price of paper may be what finally
knocks it off. As I said, I really have a bad feeling about
Hamilton's little experiment with "coverless" comics. But
from what I've read elsewhere, isn't the sudden spike in paper
prices due to temporary and unusual papermaking industry conditions,
and the price is expected to decline as the industry corrects itself?
Or something like that?

--Dwight Decker
Heidi MacDonald
The lurker speaks...would it be possible to change the address where I receive
this newswire?

If possible, I would like to receive it at COMIXACE at AOL.COM instead of CI$.

Thanks.

Heidi
ADEBLIEC
DON and ALL:
That was me with the panicked price hike info. You're right when you said
that what I wrote didn't sound like the whole truth. It's because PREVIEWS
magazine, and the most recent CBG, did a horrific job of explaining the
changes. I'm glad you cleared it up for me - thanks for asking.
However, as loathe as I am to admit it, I think I would rather pay the $2
and get the slick cover stock. As someone else mentioned (Dwight?) it
serves a valuable purpose in protecting the comic. My oily fingers'
residue is more easily wiped off the slick stock than the normal newsprint
or white paper. ;)
BUT NO LETTERS PAGES?!? ACK! (sorry for screaming, but this is a letters
hack worst nightmare.) All those other missives that won't see print now.
::sigh::
And don't you worry, Don. Come hell or high water, we will see all of Lo$
in America. Our will is unbreakable. Speaking of which, I just read the
latest installment - chapter 8 - and was mightily impressed. And then I was
shocked - impressed, even - to see many of the same thoughts I had echoes
in your text page - notably the climax bit, the legend part, and the changed
$crooge. I really enjoyed this issue, and had a _ton_ of fun finding the
DUCK on the cover. It's getting trickier and trickier every month.

-Augie
...feeling his wallet thin out...

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Augie De Blieck Jr. - "Sometime I wonder, why are we so blind to fate?"
ADEBLIEC at drew.edu - -Billy Joel, Two Thousand Years
Drew University -
Gerhard Tank
April 4,1995: The following Associated Press article appeared in
tonights newspaper:
CARL BARKS HONORED AT CAPITOL
Donald Duck Launched Cartoonist's Long Career
SALEM (Oregon)
----But Friday was special for fans of Uncle Scrooge and Donald
Duck at the Capitol, where senators paid tribute to world-renowned
cartoonist and Grants Pass-area resident Carl Barks.
Senator Brady Adams, R-Grants Pass, introduced a memorial
bill on the Senate floor, honoring Barks for his seven-decade
career and for representing Oregon "throughout the world with humor
and charm".
Barks, who began animating Donald Duck cartoons for the
Walt Disney studios in the 1930's and created the Duckburg characters
of Uncle Scrooge and others, is still at it.
Since turning to comic books in the 1940s and 50s, he con-
tinued to produce popular oil paintings. He made several tours with
his work, including a swing through Europe last year.
Adams' bill passed by unanimous vote, and the 94 year old
Barks got a standing ovation. Later, the shy but robust artist held
court at a crowded reception, receiving praise and signing auto-
graphs with a laugh and a smile.
"Well, I guess I've got to do it once in a while, so people
don't forget me," he quipped.

(In attendance at the ceremony were several grandchildren and great
grandchildren)
Don Rosa
>JON & WILMER:
Thanks for trying to help me, Wilmer, but your idea won't work. I
think I state somewhere in the story that the Universal Solvent retains NONE
of the dissolved matter... otherwise (as you mention) I knew $crooge would
never be able to handle it once it was in that diamond-jar.
I could say something like the glob of solvent was sucking in air
and condensing its atoms thereby creating a slight draft toward itself.
That's not a bad idea, and in fact is an idea that was a major part of the
last version of this story in 1977... it's how I explained, in that version,
why Lance Pertwillaby was not squished by air pressure when in the shaft
(this current version handles that problem better, I believe).
Actually, since the U.S. had condensed the atoms of the surrounding
material and pushed the residue back into the walls of that little chamber,
what we would have had was gravity directed AWAY from the glob of solvent.
Since there would be a concentration of mass in the walls of that chamber,
$crooge would have been walking on it like David Innes did in Pelucidar
(walking around the inner shell of the hollow Earth).
And if that wouldn't have been the case, and if the gravitational
field was not effected by anything, what was left of it at the Earth's EXACT
center would have been SO slight that, even if $crooge would have been drawn
to the exact center of the Earth toward the glob, it would have been SO
gradual that his speed would have been measured in inches/eon.
No, the true scientific principle is one that Jon touched on. It's
the one scientific principle that always outweighs all others by a tiny bit.
It's the scientific principle known as "it made a great gag, so I did it
that way".>

I'm wondering if that comment about "the 1977 version of this story"
confused anyone? As I discussed on here while doing that tale, many of my
Duck stories are recreations of other comic strips I did as a hobby for my
own amusement years ago. This particular story of a trip to the center of
the Earth through a vertical shaft is one I did last in 1977 for a
fanzine...and which I had previously done in 1959 after seeing that Pat
Boone movie. I mean, that James Mason movie. That means I'm due to do a new
version again around 2012.
DucksEtc.
To the handful of people (Jorgen, Fredrik and Dave) who wished me welcome
when I joined the mailing list: Many thanks and I sincerely apologize for not
responding before now. A killer cold, a frantic (and feverish) bout with my
tax returns and other fun things kept me from responding. Sorry. I'll try to
respond a bit faster next time.

FREDRIK:
As to that Van Horn list you mentioned, I'd be happy to look at it. I've
already talked to Bill Van Horn about it and he's willing to go over it as
well. (Actually if he goes over it there's not much need for me to review
it.) I do have the Van Horn Index that I downloaded from the mailing list
archive. I don't know if that's the latest version you have, though. So send
a new one or let me know if this one is good. ( A word of warning: I have to
send things to Bill by snail mail to Canada and I don't know how fast he'll
get back to me once it arrives. So it could take awhile.)

DAVE RAWSON:
Thanks for the kind words about my pizza story in Donald Duck Adventures
#29. I wrote that story four years ago and originally sold it to Disney
Comics. When Disney Comics hit the skids Egmont purchased the story from
Disney and was nice enough to pay me some extra money for it as well. The
story was originally quite a bit longer--18 or 20 pages, I can't remember
now--and it was supposed to be three-tier. A couple of scenes had to be cut
and the story had to be reformatted so that Van Horn could draw it as a
four-tier to fit Egmont's needs. It was nice to finally have something back
in print in the U.S.

By the way, I enjoyed your tour guide story in the same issue. It was fast,
funny and well constructed. Gee! Should we be paying for each other for these
compliments or should we just keep a running tally? Any more Disney stories
of yours coming up here in the U.S.? (Yes, I've already heard about and
ordered a copy of your CHIAROSCURO: The Private Lives of Leonardo da Vinci.
But you're welcome to plug it again if you want. (Gee! I think I'm one up on
you on the tally sheet now. How much do I get?)

I've got a story drawn by Vicar that's coming up in DD #31. (It was actually
written even before the Pizza story. Sigh. It takes so long for these things
to get reprinted over here.) For some reason one of the trade papers is
describing it as a Junior Woodchuck story. It's not. Instead it's another
fued story between Donald and his neighbor Jones. (Or at least that's the way
it was written. Vicar apparently didn't draw Jones to look much like Jones
and so I think Gladstone is calling him something else here.) Other than
that, I don't know of anything else of mine coming up this millenium in the
U.S. If there is Gladstone sure hasn't told me. Hopefully something else will
show up soon. Writing for Egmont is great, but it's sure frustrating not to
see it in print here.

By the way Dave, I noticed quite awhile back that you sent an advance copy of
your tour guide story to Comics Buyer's Guide for review. How did you get a
copy of the art with a lettered script in English? I'd love to do the same
for whenever one of my stories shows up here. Did you get it from Gladstone
or Egmont?

OAK ISLAND TREASURE REVISTED:
I noticed that a few weeks ago people were talking about the Oak Island
treasure and the possibility of doing a story about it. As Don Rosa noted
someone already has done an Uncle Scrooge story about it. I don't think the
author's name was ever mentioned, though. I believe the story that Don is
talking about was written by Huck Aiken. (Sorry, I can't be 100 percent sure
of the spelling of Huck's last name. It might be Aicken.) I believe the story
was originally written as a 48-pager, but Disney Comics wanted it expanded to
62 pages to fill a graphic novel. Van Horn was approached to draw it, but
turned it down. (For the most part, Bill really prefers shorter stories.) I
doubt that finding an artist to draw it was really a factor in it's
nonappearance here. At that time the Jamie Diaz Studio was churning out pages
for Disney. So the story could have always been assigned to Diaz t if no one
else was available to draw the story.

Whatever the merits of the script were--its chances of appearing in America
were pretty much killed I suspect when Disney decided a few months later not
to produce any graphic novels with original material. All graphic novels were
pretty much either adaptions of movies or compilations of previously
published movies. (I was working on a Mickey Mouse graphic novel at the time.
Maybe I'll finish it for Egmont one of these days.)

Anyway, it sounds like Huck's story was sold to Egmont so hopefully it'll see
print one of these days. Or has someone seen it in print already?
Jay Brown And Jon Young
On earth, there are but few who can withstand the torment of mankind
Jon Cato Lorentzen
Again, more SPOILERS below...

The problem with the Universal Solvent pulling Scrooge could be solved like
this. Both the solvent and Scrooge has some mass. As both are in a space
with no gravitation, they would be drawn towards each other, so
Scrooge would be pulled downwards towards the fluid, while the solvent
would be pulled upwards towards Scrooge. This way Scrooge could do his
little jig around the fluid.

And I'll be going to the great north for my Easter vacation today, so
see you all in some weeks, and have a nice holiday.

-jonC
Dave Rawson
JORGEN:
d> The Stamp Act [...] what I really like about this story (and
d> "Tour de Jour") is all the work you put into the one-shot
d> characters.

Thanks for the kind words, Jorgen! I'm glad the time I put into
character creation makes them memorable. I look forward to David
Gerstein's eventual use of Red O'Ruckus. :)

While not a Disney title, I hope that you'll keep a lookout for
CHIAROSCURO: The Private Lives of Leonardo da Vinci from Vertigo.
This is a VERY strongly character driven story, a kind of AMADEUS
for comics.

... What's the difference between a duck?
* Evaluation copy of Silver Xpress. Day # 151
--- via Silver Xpress V4.01 [NR]
Gerhard Tank
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 21:37:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gerhard Tank <gtank at hq.jcic.org>
To: disney-comics <disney-comics at minsk.docs.uu.se>
Cc: Larry Brewer <brewerl at iia.org>
Subject: Barks

This message re-sent because of internet connection failure last
night.

April 4,1995: The following Associated Press article appeared in
tonights newspaper:
CARL BARKS HONORED AT CAPITOL
Donald Duck Launched Cartoonist's Long Career
SALEM (Oregon)
----But Friday was special for fans of Uncle Scrooge and Donald
Duck at the Capitol, where senators paid tribute to world-renowned
cartoonist and Grants Pass-area resident Carl Barks.
Senator Brady Adams, R-Grants Pass, introduced a memorial
bill on the Senate floor, honoring Barks for his seven-decade
career and for representing Oregon "throughout the world with humor
and charm".
Barks, who began animating Donald Duck cartoons for the
Walt Disney studios in the 1930's and created the Duckburg characters
of Uncle Scrooge and others, is still at it.
Since turning to comic books in the 1940s and 50s, he con-
tinued to produce popular oil paintings. He made several tours with
his work, including a swing through Europe last year.
Adams' bill passed by unanimous vote, and the 94 year old
Barks got a standing ovation. Later, the shy but robust artist held
court at a crowded reception, receiving praise and signing auto-
graphs with a laugh and a smile.
"Well, I guess I've got to do it once in a while, so people
don't forget me," he quipped.

(In attendance at the ceremony were several grandchildren and great
grandchildren)
Mike Pohjola
[ little SPOILERS here ]

DON and others:

I have now read to parts of Journey to Center of the Earth and
I just wandered if this was actually the first time the Ducks saved the
Earth. Was it? I've only read so far that I've seen the ducks trapped
between earth (wind) and fire. Now my speculation is, that the air that
is with them will first stop the earth and then slowly the oxygen will
run out and the fire will die. Then the ducks could use the Corbamite
(I don't know the name of the black pudding, 'cause it was in Finnish in
my Finnish issues) to get out. Is this what happens?

--

Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Ronald A. Evry
The idea of printing comics with no cover stock is not new at
all. Back in the 60's Gold Key tried it on a few GIANT-SIZED
books, which are now very difficult to find in nice shape.

--Ron
M. Mitchell Marmel
As I was sitting on a stopped commuter train in Philadelphia this morning,
I flashed back on one of my all-time favorite U$ stories. It concerned an
old steam engine that was to be retired in favor of a new streamlined
train. The new train, with U$ aboard, got trapped in deep water when the
electric motors shorted out. Donald and HD&L got the train out by pushing
it with the old steamer, using a train of flatcars which were submerged so
as not to publically humiliate the new train...

Anybody remember this one?

Mitch
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Drexel University \ whipped, beaten, chained and pierced.
Department of Materials Engineering \ *THE BEST HASHBROWNS IN THE WORLD!*
Fibrous Materials Research Laboratory\ marmelmm at dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu
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