Donald Duck & Co #16 1995
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- Donald Duck (H9366 (93066), 10 pages). Mau Heymans (or Heijmans?).
Donald Duck is bragging about how good he is at plaing the trumpet.
HDL find his old trumpet in the attic, and Daisy wants him to play
at her club, the same evening. Of course Donald can't handle the
instrument at all, and walks out to the forest to practise. At the
same time a professor and his students are looking for the very rare
trumpet bird. You can imagine the rest :-)
A good story. The art is a little unfamiliar, but I must say that I
really like it.
- Grandma Duck (D93386, 6 pages).
Grandma is asked to join a TV program about food. One of her
neighboors is evvying her, and closes her into a small house at the
farm. Then she can take her place.
Bori...ZZZZZZ
- Scamp (KF 9.20.59, 1 page).
- Donald Duck (W/WDC 50, 10 pages). Carl Barks.
The pig is called Nasse, BTW.
- Hiawatha (D94047, 4 pages).
The indians are making a new totem pole. They are wondering what to
put on the top of it. It is supposed to be a symbol of luck, happiness
and courage. After Hiawatha has saved the totem and himself from a
dangerous river, they aren't wondering about it anymore.
Maybe someone could find some new ideas for Hiawatha?
- Mickey Mouse (D93180, 6+ pages). Same artist as D93228.
Mickey and Goofy are hired to find out who is stealing from a big
department store. They find it to be one Hali Baba, a rich customer.
The reason why he is stealing is that he has the ghosts of all those
forty bandits in his cellar, and they demand him to steal something to
them every night. Then they have a party -- every night. They are
getting tired of this, and want the curse over them to stop.
The art isn't too bad.
Huh? No one-pager at the end?
Jorgen.
Author
Topic: 199504
(154 messages)
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
DD&Co #16
Message 136 -
1995-04-27 at 00:39:12
Pascal Lafontaine
The subject is cartoon bux bunny
Message 137 -
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i like bugs bunny i find him very hilarous with helmer daffy duck an
other cartoons i would like receave the information about bugs bunny and
her friend
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Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #645.
Message 138 -
1995-04-27 at 09:16:00
>PER:
Okay, here's a short list of my upcoming trips and appearances. But
it's shorter than in years past since all those lil' weekend motel shows
have cut back on guests.
Also, I need to delete one trip I'd already mentioned. I definitely
WON'T be going to Finland any time in November. I already have one trip in
November and some other tentatives.
You already have all that German info.
I'll be at the ChicagoCon June 30 - July 2.
San Diego Comicon July 27-30.
Mid-Ohio Con Nov. 24-26.
Oh, and this thing in Dayton this coming weekend. Don't put that in
the permanent list.
And I'll be at the dentist on July 24 at 5 PM.
More to come later as I'm sure about them.
WES:
I just received my subscription copy of the new U$ yesterday. I
wouldn't worry about yours until next week.
MARK:
NEVER hesitate to criticize my stories! I don't get nearly enough of
that! I hear that there are people who dislike stuff I do, but the mail to
me and Gladstone is 100% favorable. I can never hope to improve anything if
all I get is praise, and those quiet fans are doing me and themselves a
disservice by keeping mum. I never like pure complements since, if they
aren't sprinkled with a few negatives, I don't think they're sincere. In
fact, if I had to make a choice between nothing but complements or nothing
but criticism on here, I'd pick criticism since this net is made of
knowledgeable fans. I get plenty of praise elsewhere.
You say that you would prefer, and you think Barks' intention was,
that $crooge made himself slowly rich by simply always saving every penny he
ever made. Well, that's an interesting thought. And it may very well be that
that is exactly what Barks intended. And that would work fine until they
asked me to do this "Lo$". What sort of conflict would there be in the
series if $crooge started saving every cent from his first shoeshine and
where every single endeavor he undertook was successful? So he would already
be well off when he went to work on the riverboats in 1880, well-to-do when
he became a cowboy, modestly wealthy when he mined copper, rich already when
he first hunted gold in 1886? There's no conflict in that idea. Where would
reader interest come from? Who would care if a rich $crooge got richer? That
would make the "Lo$" series identicle to the modern day $crooge. I really
can't get too interested in those stories that just tell of $crooge maybe
getting richer -- there needs to be a threat to his wealth or some inner
struggle, right?
But don't think that $crooge is "wealthy" as of chapter 8 in my
story. He does, now, as you hope, start saving his money. I already did a
story that takes place one year after chapter 8 in 1898(the upcoming "Hearts
of the Yukon") where you'll see that $crooge isn't living or acting any
differently. He never sells that Goose Egg Nugget, so he can't really become
so rich by just finding it. Then I also did a story that takes place one
more year later in 1899 ("The Last Sled to Dawson"), and we still see
$crooge saving his gold and living as before. Only in that story did I show
him decide to invest some money and buy a bank and start buying other
businesses. But those stories would make boring episodes as part of the
"Lo$" series. Once I've shown him finally get his fortune started in chapter
8, I skip those years and start trying to tell stories of how the wealth
then affects his life, not how swell it is to be rich or how funny it is to
be stingy.
As for that scene of the destruction of the riverboat, this again
prove to me that it's impossible to please everyone at the same time.
Whereas you saw that sequence as being too "Image comicy", Gladstone just
received a lengthy letter from some literary scholar that went on and on
about how brilliant she thought that whole sequence was handled. She talked
of comparisons to Shakespearian and Wagnerian drama and quoted a few
dramatists that I'm too ignorant to have even heard of, and even quoted a
passage from some famous play that has a scene almost identicle to mine
(except its the hero's sister that dies, not the mother). She gives lengthy
reasons why she does NOT see any similarity between my handling and a Rambo
style ending. (Gladstone sent the letter straight to me since it was too
long and essoteric for their letters page.)
This is not to suggest you are right or she is right or I am right
or any of us is completely right or wrong. It's just that everyone
interprets this stuff differently. And I can only make my own decisions and
do the best job I can. I constantly state that my version of $crooge's life
is only MY version. Someone else can do their own completely different
version of $crooge's life next year if they want -- no one is required to
adhere to mine.
If I ever redo this whole series (which is probably unlikely) I
would take comments like yours into consideration and perhaps change
sections of the story drastically. But for now, that's all too late. My
damage was done already 3 years ago -- you're just now seeing it.
Well, I hope you like the directions I go in chapters 9-12 better.
You'll never again see this robust $crooge... only an increasingly wretched
one, until part 12 where I TRY to bring it all together at the finish.
Okay, here's a short list of my upcoming trips and appearances. But
it's shorter than in years past since all those lil' weekend motel shows
have cut back on guests.
Also, I need to delete one trip I'd already mentioned. I definitely
WON'T be going to Finland any time in November. I already have one trip in
November and some other tentatives.
You already have all that German info.
I'll be at the ChicagoCon June 30 - July 2.
San Diego Comicon July 27-30.
Mid-Ohio Con Nov. 24-26.
Oh, and this thing in Dayton this coming weekend. Don't put that in
the permanent list.
And I'll be at the dentist on July 24 at 5 PM.
More to come later as I'm sure about them.
WES:
I just received my subscription copy of the new U$ yesterday. I
wouldn't worry about yours until next week.
MARK:
NEVER hesitate to criticize my stories! I don't get nearly enough of
that! I hear that there are people who dislike stuff I do, but the mail to
me and Gladstone is 100% favorable. I can never hope to improve anything if
all I get is praise, and those quiet fans are doing me and themselves a
disservice by keeping mum. I never like pure complements since, if they
aren't sprinkled with a few negatives, I don't think they're sincere. In
fact, if I had to make a choice between nothing but complements or nothing
but criticism on here, I'd pick criticism since this net is made of
knowledgeable fans. I get plenty of praise elsewhere.
You say that you would prefer, and you think Barks' intention was,
that $crooge made himself slowly rich by simply always saving every penny he
ever made. Well, that's an interesting thought. And it may very well be that
that is exactly what Barks intended. And that would work fine until they
asked me to do this "Lo$". What sort of conflict would there be in the
series if $crooge started saving every cent from his first shoeshine and
where every single endeavor he undertook was successful? So he would already
be well off when he went to work on the riverboats in 1880, well-to-do when
he became a cowboy, modestly wealthy when he mined copper, rich already when
he first hunted gold in 1886? There's no conflict in that idea. Where would
reader interest come from? Who would care if a rich $crooge got richer? That
would make the "Lo$" series identicle to the modern day $crooge. I really
can't get too interested in those stories that just tell of $crooge maybe
getting richer -- there needs to be a threat to his wealth or some inner
struggle, right?
But don't think that $crooge is "wealthy" as of chapter 8 in my
story. He does, now, as you hope, start saving his money. I already did a
story that takes place one year after chapter 8 in 1898(the upcoming "Hearts
of the Yukon") where you'll see that $crooge isn't living or acting any
differently. He never sells that Goose Egg Nugget, so he can't really become
so rich by just finding it. Then I also did a story that takes place one
more year later in 1899 ("The Last Sled to Dawson"), and we still see
$crooge saving his gold and living as before. Only in that story did I show
him decide to invest some money and buy a bank and start buying other
businesses. But those stories would make boring episodes as part of the
"Lo$" series. Once I've shown him finally get his fortune started in chapter
8, I skip those years and start trying to tell stories of how the wealth
then affects his life, not how swell it is to be rich or how funny it is to
be stingy.
As for that scene of the destruction of the riverboat, this again
prove to me that it's impossible to please everyone at the same time.
Whereas you saw that sequence as being too "Image comicy", Gladstone just
received a lengthy letter from some literary scholar that went on and on
about how brilliant she thought that whole sequence was handled. She talked
of comparisons to Shakespearian and Wagnerian drama and quoted a few
dramatists that I'm too ignorant to have even heard of, and even quoted a
passage from some famous play that has a scene almost identicle to mine
(except its the hero's sister that dies, not the mother). She gives lengthy
reasons why she does NOT see any similarity between my handling and a Rambo
style ending. (Gladstone sent the letter straight to me since it was too
long and essoteric for their letters page.)
This is not to suggest you are right or she is right or I am right
or any of us is completely right or wrong. It's just that everyone
interprets this stuff differently. And I can only make my own decisions and
do the best job I can. I constantly state that my version of $crooge's life
is only MY version. Someone else can do their own completely different
version of $crooge's life next year if they want -- no one is required to
adhere to mine.
If I ever redo this whole series (which is probably unlikely) I
would take comments like yours into consideration and perhaps change
sections of the story drastically. But for now, that's all too late. My
damage was done already 3 years ago -- you're just now seeing it.
Well, I hope you like the directions I go in chapters 9-12 better.
You'll never again see this robust $crooge... only an increasingly wretched
one, until part 12 where I TRY to bring it all together at the finish.
H.W. Fluks
Jo/rgen in digest #646.
Message 139 -
1995-04-27 at 14:10:10
JO/RGEN:
> ["David"] seems to be the one who draw Br'er Rabbit with that big hair
> curl on the top of the head. Extremely cute, but not bad.
I disagree. It's awful. That cute character is not the Brer Rabbit I know.
> - Junior Woodchucks (H92107, 12 pages).
> Is this one of the Barks/Jippes stories? It isn't mentioned in Harry's
> index.
It is the one I coded H 92167. I think that code is wrong, because there
is also another story with that same code. Either the code was wrong in
the first Dutch publication, or I made a mistake when indexing it.
I'll fix that.
> - Donald Duck (H9366 (93066), 10 pages). Mau Heymans (or Heijmans?).
Let's say Heymans. That's how Gladstone credits him, and I think he is
spelled that way in a Dutch magazine.
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Telecom (_) fluks at pcssdc.pttnwb.nl
Netherlands "Yeah.. I've _heard_ of coral barques"
> ["David"] seems to be the one who draw Br'er Rabbit with that big hair
> curl on the top of the head. Extremely cute, but not bad.
I disagree. It's awful. That cute character is not the Brer Rabbit I know.
> - Junior Woodchucks (H92107, 12 pages).
> Is this one of the Barks/Jippes stories? It isn't mentioned in Harry's
> index.
It is the one I coded H 92167. I think that code is wrong, because there
is also another story with that same code. Either the code was wrong in
the first Dutch publication, or I made a mistake when indexing it.
I'll fix that.
> - Donald Duck (H9366 (93066), 10 pages). Mau Heymans (or Heijmans?).
Let's say Heymans. That's how Gladstone credits him, and I think he is
spelled that way in a Dutch magazine.
--Harry.
Harry Fluks ()_() Dutch Disney comics freak
PTT Telecom (_) fluks at pcssdc.pttnwb.nl
Netherlands "Yeah.. I've _heard_ of coral barques"
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
Jo/rgen in digest #646.
Message 140 -
1995-04-27 at 18:07:51
HARRY about David (no, not him :)
> I disagree. It's awful. That cute character is not the Brer Rabbit I know.
Eh, I think I wrote that a little too fast. I certainly agree. That rabbit
is awful, but his chipmunks aren't that bad, although a bit simple.
Jorgen
> I disagree. It's awful. That cute character is not the Brer Rabbit I know.
Eh, I think I wrote that a little too fast. I certainly agree. That rabbit
is awful, but his chipmunks aren't that bad, although a bit simple.
Jorgen
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
Disney-comics digest #646.
Message 141 -
1995-04-27 at 18:27:14
DAVID:
> I think that the recent story [D93337] about DD's high school exam
> having to be taken again was his [Esteban's]
It really looks like Santanach to me. I wouldn't mind some originality.
Even if I'm not that fond of van Horn's art, f.ex., I do like that he
uses his own style and don't copy some other artist.
So D93180 (Ali Baba) is by Ferioli. I don't think I like this style. I
think his earlier Egmont works look better. A couple of years ago they
looked more like that story (D91310) you told me were done by Esteban.
> I'll give you more detailed information soon.
Thanx. Do you have the credits for D93040 too?
Jorgen
> I think that the recent story [D93337] about DD's high school exam
> having to be taken again was his [Esteban's]
It really looks like Santanach to me. I wouldn't mind some originality.
Even if I'm not that fond of van Horn's art, f.ex., I do like that he
uses his own style and don't copy some other artist.
So D93180 (Ali Baba) is by Ferioli. I don't think I like this style. I
think his earlier Egmont works look better. A couple of years ago they
looked more like that story (D91310) you told me were done by Esteban.
> I'll give you more detailed information soon.
Thanx. Do you have the credits for D93040 too?
Jorgen
Fredrik Ekman
GCD Announcement (fwd)
Message 142 -
1995-04-27 at 18:44:49
Greetings!
As I have previously mentioned in posts to this list, I am a member of
the Grand Comics Database (see below for details). The personnel
coordinator of GCD, Tim Stroup, has recently requested the following
message about the GCD FTP and WWW site to be forwarded to all relevant
mailing lists and news groups. As it happens, disney-comics is
particularly relevant, since one of the sample indexes happens to be
Uncensored Mouse (indexed by yours truly). Please consider taking the
time to check this out! In spite of a few "rough edges" in the database
format (most of which will no doubt me smoothed out in time) it is really
a grand scheme.
For the record: I have had plans to convert our own database to the GCD
format, but currently find myself out of time. If anyone else has the
knowledge and time to do such a thing, I am sure that the GCD
management would be overjoyed.
/F
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Grand Comics Database Demo FTP and Web site
The Grand Comics Database's (GCD) attempt to index every comic book ever
published is rolling right along. Since we started just over a year ago,
more than 40 international members have indexed over 21,000 comic books ranging
from Action Comics#1 to Zot#33. Information about the creators of books for
over 50 publishers and almost 1800 different titles has been collected
electronically for eventual use in a searchable database. We are well on our
way towards actually accomplishing our goal since we estimated, when we began,
that there were over 100,000 individual issues to be indexed. Of course, that
does not include the 5,000 or so comic books that came out last year. We have
even just initiated a sub group which will focus exclusively on Golden Age
comics and their inherent problems of indexing. If you would like to become
involved, let me know.
Now we need your help. We would like input on our format, type of data we are
collecting, and any over all comments on the project. The project is still
young enough that we can make some changes in it. So we would like to tap into
all the expertise on the Net and get your input.
We now have set up a public ftp site that contains our charter, a description
of the GCD project, a description of the GCD format, a list of comic books that
have been indexed, and a few sample files for your inspection. The files at
this site are in the GCD format, so you can download them into your favorite
database program and work with the data. They are all in text files so you can
download/view them even without a database program.
We also have a Web site set up which allows you to view the data. The Web site
also contains our charter, format, completed books list, and background files.
The format on the Web site is not the GCD format, but makes it much easier to
read via the Web.
The addresses are as follows:
FTP - ftp://ftp.hiof.no/pub/Comics/Database.public
Web - http://www.hiof.no/~jonal/gcd/
or http://www.digimark.net/wraith/GCD/ (American mirror)
One more very important thing, if you would like to help us out by indexing
some comic books, we would love to have you. Though we have come a long way in
a year, we still have a long way to go and we could sure use your help.
Please feel free to post this to any other comic book related lists that you
would like to post it to.
Please look over what we have done and send any criticisms, comments, and or
questions to:
Tim Stroup
GCD Personnel Coordinator
stroup at lmsc.lockheed.com
As I have previously mentioned in posts to this list, I am a member of
the Grand Comics Database (see below for details). The personnel
coordinator of GCD, Tim Stroup, has recently requested the following
message about the GCD FTP and WWW site to be forwarded to all relevant
mailing lists and news groups. As it happens, disney-comics is
particularly relevant, since one of the sample indexes happens to be
Uncensored Mouse (indexed by yours truly). Please consider taking the
time to check this out! In spite of a few "rough edges" in the database
format (most of which will no doubt me smoothed out in time) it is really
a grand scheme.
For the record: I have had plans to convert our own database to the GCD
format, but currently find myself out of time. If anyone else has the
knowledge and time to do such a thing, I am sure that the GCD
management would be overjoyed.
/F
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Grand Comics Database Demo FTP and Web site
The Grand Comics Database's (GCD) attempt to index every comic book ever
published is rolling right along. Since we started just over a year ago,
more than 40 international members have indexed over 21,000 comic books ranging
from Action Comics#1 to Zot#33. Information about the creators of books for
over 50 publishers and almost 1800 different titles has been collected
electronically for eventual use in a searchable database. We are well on our
way towards actually accomplishing our goal since we estimated, when we began,
that there were over 100,000 individual issues to be indexed. Of course, that
does not include the 5,000 or so comic books that came out last year. We have
even just initiated a sub group which will focus exclusively on Golden Age
comics and their inherent problems of indexing. If you would like to become
involved, let me know.
Now we need your help. We would like input on our format, type of data we are
collecting, and any over all comments on the project. The project is still
young enough that we can make some changes in it. So we would like to tap into
all the expertise on the Net and get your input.
We now have set up a public ftp site that contains our charter, a description
of the GCD project, a description of the GCD format, a list of comic books that
have been indexed, and a few sample files for your inspection. The files at
this site are in the GCD format, so you can download them into your favorite
database program and work with the data. They are all in text files so you can
download/view them even without a database program.
We also have a Web site set up which allows you to view the data. The Web site
also contains our charter, format, completed books list, and background files.
The format on the Web site is not the GCD format, but makes it much easier to
read via the Web.
The addresses are as follows:
FTP - ftp://ftp.hiof.no/pub/Comics/Database.public
Web - http://www.hiof.no/~jonal/gcd/
or http://www.digimark.net/wraith/GCD/ (American mirror)
One more very important thing, if you would like to help us out by indexing
some comic books, we would love to have you. Though we have come a long way in
a year, we still have a long way to go and we could sure use your help.
Please feel free to post this to any other comic book related lists that you
would like to post it to.
Please look over what we have done and send any criticisms, comments, and or
questions to:
Tim Stroup
GCD Personnel Coordinator
stroup at lmsc.lockheed.com
DAVID.A.GERSTEIN
Disney-comics digest #646.
Message 143 -
1995-04-27 at 18:48:40
JORGEN and HARRY:
What's Esteban doing now? More stories, I'd presume. Mostly
Ducks -- for example, I think that the recent story about DD's high
school exam having to be taken again was his. He did a lot of
Mickeys until recently, but while the art editors at Egmont love his
1971 Mouse, the story editors hate it and would rather assign him to
other characters.
H 92107 = Junior Woodchucks, "Gold of the '49ers". This is
going to be the backup story in American US 293 next month, by the
way. I'm anxious to read it.
D 93280 = "King Tut Tut". I don't think Disney U. S. would
actually have a problem with this story, because the black characters
don't act stereotypical (unless the mere act of showing a bushman as
black is a stereotype). They speak very educated English. But I
just find the story fairly unexciting. In Britain, the pygmies have
an odd mixture of Swahili and ancient-Egyptian names.
D 93228 = "Relatively Speaking". I don't like MM+G stories
that begin with them as detectives assigned to guard something. Like
the Zoom Transport stories, this is a bonehead-simple way of getting
the characters into an adventure that feels very unimaginative. And
I'm sorry -- but Aunt Maude really DOES appear to be stealing
something, herself, before the crook shows up. It's never
satisfactorily explained.
D 93386 = "The Cheesecake Cheat". I actually enjoyed this
Grandma Duck story very much. In English, it was very funny. I
wouldn't even mind seeing it in the States one day.
D 93180 = "Ali Baba". In English, the Arab millionaire is
named EXACTLY the same thing as his famous ancestor. The art here is
by Ferioli, by the way. D 93228 looks similar, I agree, but it's not
his -- it's just a story from the same Jaime Diaz-like studio that
Ferioli was originally a member of, but has now left. I'll give you
more detailed information soon.
I don't think I've mentioned that I spoke to Daan Jippes just
before leaving the States two weeks ago. He told me that "Bottled
Battlers" was the most recent Junior Woodchuck redraw that he has
done, because his work for Amblin takes up too much time these days
for him to make any more. He'll get back to them, but for now we've
seen the last of these redraws.
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
"Gawrsh, Mickey, it was thuh most wonderful moment of muh life!"
"Ya mean when we found th' treasure?"
"No! I mean when thuh cannibals picked ME out FIRST!"
What's Esteban doing now? More stories, I'd presume. Mostly
Ducks -- for example, I think that the recent story about DD's high
school exam having to be taken again was his. He did a lot of
Mickeys until recently, but while the art editors at Egmont love his
1971 Mouse, the story editors hate it and would rather assign him to
other characters.
H 92107 = Junior Woodchucks, "Gold of the '49ers". This is
going to be the backup story in American US 293 next month, by the
way. I'm anxious to read it.
D 93280 = "King Tut Tut". I don't think Disney U. S. would
actually have a problem with this story, because the black characters
don't act stereotypical (unless the mere act of showing a bushman as
black is a stereotype). They speak very educated English. But I
just find the story fairly unexciting. In Britain, the pygmies have
an odd mixture of Swahili and ancient-Egyptian names.
D 93228 = "Relatively Speaking". I don't like MM+G stories
that begin with them as detectives assigned to guard something. Like
the Zoom Transport stories, this is a bonehead-simple way of getting
the characters into an adventure that feels very unimaginative. And
I'm sorry -- but Aunt Maude really DOES appear to be stealing
something, herself, before the crook shows up. It's never
satisfactorily explained.
D 93386 = "The Cheesecake Cheat". I actually enjoyed this
Grandma Duck story very much. In English, it was very funny. I
wouldn't even mind seeing it in the States one day.
D 93180 = "Ali Baba". In English, the Arab millionaire is
named EXACTLY the same thing as his famous ancestor. The art here is
by Ferioli, by the way. D 93228 looks similar, I agree, but it's not
his -- it's just a story from the same Jaime Diaz-like studio that
Ferioli was originally a member of, but has now left. I'll give you
more detailed information soon.
I don't think I've mentioned that I spoke to Daan Jippes just
before leaving the States two weeks ago. He told me that "Bottled
Battlers" was the most recent Junior Woodchuck redraw that he has
done, because his work for Amblin takes up too much time these days
for him to make any more. He'll get back to them, but for now we've
seen the last of these redraws.
David Gerstein
<9475609 at arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
"Gawrsh, Mickey, it was thuh most wonderful moment of muh life!"
"Ya mean when we found th' treasure?"
"No! I mean when thuh cannibals picked ME out FIRST!"
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
Universal Solvent
Message 144 -
1995-04-27 at 21:28:01
Universal Solvent
-----------------
Now I've read the story twice. First I read it one part each week as
they were published, and then I read the hole story. I agree with
Even -- this story shouldn't have been serialized. There are almost
no changes of scenes, and therefore there doesn't seem to be any
natural places to break it. Although it does make good cliffhangers,
the excitement isn't exactly the same after having waited a week.
Strange enough, it wasn't until the second time I read it that I
noted the episode with Little Helper and that robot mouse. Although
I'm not so sure that poor Mickey deserves this, it is quite (very)
funny to find these things. This is something of what makes your
stories so special.
As several others have done, I have also tried to figure out what
would happen in later the story. This fight against the nature is
indeed exciting and interesting. When the problem is an animal or a
"human" you can, at least in most cases, make an influence on the
oposite part, and then affect the result. That's not so easy with
the laws of physics. They usually do as they want to any matter what
you are trying to do about it. Still there are a few strange things
in the story, but I don't mind that as long as it makes it a good
story.
As I said, I tried to figure out what would happen. A, IMHO, nice
solution would be to let the blob of solvent absorb all the mass of
the matter it dissolved. This would of course make it difficult for
Scrooge to handle it, but I think it would make it even more
dangerous than how it acts in the story. If it absorbed all the mass,
it's gravity would increase, and it would turn itself into a black
hole. Well, the earth would have been destroyed anyway. That would
give the choice of being thrown out into space when the earth couldn't
keep itself together anymore, or being sucked into the solvent.
About the solvent -- this isn't really a solvent, is it? Since the
"dissolved" material is extruded, the solvent is really a compound
that squeezes matter together. It's not like removing every third
atom ;-), but it pushes the electrons against the nucleus of the
atom. There's a lot of space in an atom, so that shouldn't be
impossible... The problem is that when the electrons get too close
to the nucleus, it will try to push them back. That can happen quite
violently. So, is the solvent leaving a little bit of itself on the
outside of the compressed atoms to keep them together? Wouldn't this
make all the compressed atoms into tiny nuclear bombs that will go
off when the outer layer of solvent disappears? Let's hope it
doesn't :-)
Another thing that puzzles me is the air in the shaft. When the blob
goes down into the earth and "removes" all the matter it hits, a
vacuum is created. You've all seen "Airport" haven't you? ;-) When a
hole is blown in the fuselage of the 707, the air is pushed out into
the lower pressure on the outside. In this case there is a much lower
pressure in the shaft, and air is pushed from the surface of the earth
into the shaft. Then when the table hits the hole, the shaft is closed,
and no air can pass. Since the blob is still travelling against the
center of the earth, the air pressure in the shaft is getting lower
and lower, and the table is pressed harder and harder against the
hole. To be able to get into the shaft, the pressure on the table must
be removed. This is done by building a house over it, and removing the
air from it. The pressure will now work on the house. Now the pressure
will actually be higher in the shaft, because of the air that got into
it, and the table should be very easy to remove.
Well, one of the properties of a gas is that it will try to fill
any container it occupies, therefore I find it a bit strange that all
the air that got into the shaft fell down to the bottom of the shaft.
I think it should be occupying almost the entire shaft, although it
would be in a very low concentration. This would spoil the point that
they suddenly was able to breathe close to the center, but the point
later in the story that they could breathe when air was starting to
leak into the shaft wouldn't be affected.
I was wondering if the air could be pulled down by the
gravitational forces, but since those forces are getting less and less
significant the closer it gets to the center, and the internal
termic forces of the air would spread the gas into a biggest possible
volume, this can not be the case. This means that the entire shaft would
probably be filled with air, but in such a low concentration that it
wouldn't be possible to breathe in it.
The heavy diamonds made a good gag, and led to the conclusion that the
solvent wasn't usable, so I won't comment on them ;-)
Enough nature. Over to the story.
It all starts with Scrooge's usual greed for more money. He goes to
far, and he doesn't only put himself, his family and his money in danger,
but the entire earth. Nice idea :)
Believe me, I have tried, but there isn't easy to find anything to
criticize in the story. One thing that maybe is a bit unusual in your
stories is that Donald actually gets a good idea when they are trapped
in the shaft.
I wasn't sure if I dared to hope that this would happen, but to my great
joy, they run into the Hermies and Fermies. Of course this "people"
wouldn't be too happy about seeing the ducks, and they act accordingly.
I'm glad to see that they still have got the hat :) Ah, but here is
something strange, although in the colouring. As far as I know, Barks
wanted this people to all be coloured in one colour. Something else
would be stupid. This is done correctly in Norway, so it does look a
bit strange when they suddenly appears in a lot of fancy colours now.
Was the idea of running into these people what inspired you to write
this story, BTW?
The gag with the truck in the tunnel was a good one. Of course the
ducks panic when a big truck is suddenly coming towards them in high
speed, and they hides behind the umbrella. Then "glorp". The truck,
after being partly dissolved, reminds me of a popular movie.
Ah, there are so much else that also should be mentioned, but I think
this is starting to get long enough...
The ending is pure Don Rosa. Not neccesary to say anything more about
that, I think.
Yes, this must be one of your best stories. I like stories that makes
the reader think a little.
Jorgen
-----------------
Now I've read the story twice. First I read it one part each week as
they were published, and then I read the hole story. I agree with
Even -- this story shouldn't have been serialized. There are almost
no changes of scenes, and therefore there doesn't seem to be any
natural places to break it. Although it does make good cliffhangers,
the excitement isn't exactly the same after having waited a week.
Strange enough, it wasn't until the second time I read it that I
noted the episode with Little Helper and that robot mouse. Although
I'm not so sure that poor Mickey deserves this, it is quite (very)
funny to find these things. This is something of what makes your
stories so special.
As several others have done, I have also tried to figure out what
would happen in later the story. This fight against the nature is
indeed exciting and interesting. When the problem is an animal or a
"human" you can, at least in most cases, make an influence on the
oposite part, and then affect the result. That's not so easy with
the laws of physics. They usually do as they want to any matter what
you are trying to do about it. Still there are a few strange things
in the story, but I don't mind that as long as it makes it a good
story.
As I said, I tried to figure out what would happen. A, IMHO, nice
solution would be to let the blob of solvent absorb all the mass of
the matter it dissolved. This would of course make it difficult for
Scrooge to handle it, but I think it would make it even more
dangerous than how it acts in the story. If it absorbed all the mass,
it's gravity would increase, and it would turn itself into a black
hole. Well, the earth would have been destroyed anyway. That would
give the choice of being thrown out into space when the earth couldn't
keep itself together anymore, or being sucked into the solvent.
About the solvent -- this isn't really a solvent, is it? Since the
"dissolved" material is extruded, the solvent is really a compound
that squeezes matter together. It's not like removing every third
atom ;-), but it pushes the electrons against the nucleus of the
atom. There's a lot of space in an atom, so that shouldn't be
impossible... The problem is that when the electrons get too close
to the nucleus, it will try to push them back. That can happen quite
violently. So, is the solvent leaving a little bit of itself on the
outside of the compressed atoms to keep them together? Wouldn't this
make all the compressed atoms into tiny nuclear bombs that will go
off when the outer layer of solvent disappears? Let's hope it
doesn't :-)
Another thing that puzzles me is the air in the shaft. When the blob
goes down into the earth and "removes" all the matter it hits, a
vacuum is created. You've all seen "Airport" haven't you? ;-) When a
hole is blown in the fuselage of the 707, the air is pushed out into
the lower pressure on the outside. In this case there is a much lower
pressure in the shaft, and air is pushed from the surface of the earth
into the shaft. Then when the table hits the hole, the shaft is closed,
and no air can pass. Since the blob is still travelling against the
center of the earth, the air pressure in the shaft is getting lower
and lower, and the table is pressed harder and harder against the
hole. To be able to get into the shaft, the pressure on the table must
be removed. This is done by building a house over it, and removing the
air from it. The pressure will now work on the house. Now the pressure
will actually be higher in the shaft, because of the air that got into
it, and the table should be very easy to remove.
Well, one of the properties of a gas is that it will try to fill
any container it occupies, therefore I find it a bit strange that all
the air that got into the shaft fell down to the bottom of the shaft.
I think it should be occupying almost the entire shaft, although it
would be in a very low concentration. This would spoil the point that
they suddenly was able to breathe close to the center, but the point
later in the story that they could breathe when air was starting to
leak into the shaft wouldn't be affected.
I was wondering if the air could be pulled down by the
gravitational forces, but since those forces are getting less and less
significant the closer it gets to the center, and the internal
termic forces of the air would spread the gas into a biggest possible
volume, this can not be the case. This means that the entire shaft would
probably be filled with air, but in such a low concentration that it
wouldn't be possible to breathe in it.
The heavy diamonds made a good gag, and led to the conclusion that the
solvent wasn't usable, so I won't comment on them ;-)
Enough nature. Over to the story.
It all starts with Scrooge's usual greed for more money. He goes to
far, and he doesn't only put himself, his family and his money in danger,
but the entire earth. Nice idea :)
Believe me, I have tried, but there isn't easy to find anything to
criticize in the story. One thing that maybe is a bit unusual in your
stories is that Donald actually gets a good idea when they are trapped
in the shaft.
I wasn't sure if I dared to hope that this would happen, but to my great
joy, they run into the Hermies and Fermies. Of course this "people"
wouldn't be too happy about seeing the ducks, and they act accordingly.
I'm glad to see that they still have got the hat :) Ah, but here is
something strange, although in the colouring. As far as I know, Barks
wanted this people to all be coloured in one colour. Something else
would be stupid. This is done correctly in Norway, so it does look a
bit strange when they suddenly appears in a lot of fancy colours now.
Was the idea of running into these people what inspired you to write
this story, BTW?
The gag with the truck in the tunnel was a good one. Of course the
ducks panic when a big truck is suddenly coming towards them in high
speed, and they hides behind the umbrella. Then "glorp". The truck,
after being partly dissolved, reminds me of a popular movie.
Ah, there are so much else that also should be mentioned, but I think
this is starting to get long enough...
The ending is pure Don Rosa. Not neccesary to say anything more about
that, I think.
Yes, this must be one of your best stories. I like stories that makes
the reader think a little.
Jorgen
Deckerd
Mickey "Which-Way" Story
Message 145 -
1995-04-28 at 01:17:18
In past postings, I've mentioned a 39-page Mickey Mouse
"Which-Way" (i.e., a story with several alternative plotlines
and endings you can choose yourself) that I translated from
Italian last year for Gladstone. The original intent was to
run it in a giant-sized issue of Donald & Mickey, but with
Hamilton's announced plans for changes at Gladstone, that
obviously could no longer be the case. I had occasion to call
John Clark just now and I asked what they plan to do with the
story. Since I've already been paid for the work, it's really
their problem to get their money's worth, but I do have an
interest in seeing it in print rather than having to tell
people there's this great story they'll never see languishing
in Gladstone's filing cabinet. From what John told me, they
do intend to use the story somewhere, sometime. I'd assume that
the new 48-page Collectory comic would be a likely place since
it's the only title in the line with enough pages to run the
whole story in one gulp (due to the nature of the thing, the
story can't be serialized), but in any case it won't be very
soon. Like this time next year?
I also volunteered to write a text piece the next time they
reprint the WDC&S #81 ten-pager, describing the background of
the 1946/47-era US Army tests of captured German V-2s at White
Sands, New Mexico. I'm afraid the more dated elements in Barks's
older stories are going to need more explication as time goes
on. I mean, I've had to explain the significance (and the
symbolism!) of a copy of a book called "Mein Kampf" lying on a
junkpile that Barks did as a throwaway gag (so to speak) -- my 20-
something friend grew up in an era long after World War II references
were common and universally understood. In this current thing with
the WDC&S #81 story, I've had to tell people what a V-2 was.
--Dwight Decker
"Which-Way" (i.e., a story with several alternative plotlines
and endings you can choose yourself) that I translated from
Italian last year for Gladstone. The original intent was to
run it in a giant-sized issue of Donald & Mickey, but with
Hamilton's announced plans for changes at Gladstone, that
obviously could no longer be the case. I had occasion to call
John Clark just now and I asked what they plan to do with the
story. Since I've already been paid for the work, it's really
their problem to get their money's worth, but I do have an
interest in seeing it in print rather than having to tell
people there's this great story they'll never see languishing
in Gladstone's filing cabinet. From what John told me, they
do intend to use the story somewhere, sometime. I'd assume that
the new 48-page Collectory comic would be a likely place since
it's the only title in the line with enough pages to run the
whole story in one gulp (due to the nature of the thing, the
story can't be serialized), but in any case it won't be very
soon. Like this time next year?
I also volunteered to write a text piece the next time they
reprint the WDC&S #81 ten-pager, describing the background of
the 1946/47-era US Army tests of captured German V-2s at White
Sands, New Mexico. I'm afraid the more dated elements in Barks's
older stories are going to need more explication as time goes
on. I mean, I've had to explain the significance (and the
symbolism!) of a copy of a book called "Mein Kampf" lying on a
junkpile that Barks did as a throwaway gag (so to speak) -- my 20-
something friend grew up in an era long after World War II references
were common and universally understood. In this current thing with
the WDC&S #81 story, I've had to tell people what a V-2 was.
--Dwight Decker
H.W. Fluks
Disney comics Database
Message 146 -
1995-04-28 at 10:59:46
Fredrik and all:
I have been busy the past few months in totally reconstructing the software
of the Disney comics Database (DcD). There are a lot more possibilities now.
One thing that has changed is that I now have _two_ output formats. One
readable for humans, like in the previous DcD version, and one more
readable for computers (but still plain Latin-1 text). To give an
example of both formats, let's use the first 2 entries in Disney
Comics's Autumn Adventures #1.
The output format 1 looks like this (as part of the file "gl-aa-dad.issues"):
----
Issue Story Pa L Plo Wri Art Ink Hero Tag:Title or description [comment]
code ges ttr ter ist er
AA = Autumn Adventures
AA 1a KQ 1390 1 c FD O:Disney Characters on Picknick
AA 1b W WDC 169-03 10 CB CB DD D:Travelling Truants [rp:LICW 26]
----
The output format 2 looks like this (wrapped to max 80 columns in this mail):
----
KQ 1390^g^k^AA 1a^ 1^c^O:Disney Characters on Picknick^hero:FD^
W WDC 169-03^g^k^AA 1b^10^^D:Travelling Truants^writ:CB^art:CB^hero:DD^date:5
4-01-07^rpg:LICW 26^rpu:WDC 422^rpn:55-38,86-15,BV.54,KV.08^rps:55-07,73-31^
----
While in a header file the following lines occur:
----
1^AA^g^Autumn Adventures^max:2^
2^AA 1^g^^inx:FEk^
----
(I still have to make an exact description of the formats...)
This "internal" format was meant for my own use at first, but it seemed handy
for use by Per as well for his WWW search programs.
Now I think it can also be used for conversion to the Grand Comics Database.
I can't use ftp or WWW, but I'll ask Tim Stroup if he can send me his
formats and examples by e-mail.
I added header lines to the database, which give information about
series or individual comics, like titles, cover dates, who indexed the comic and
maybe some other things. I am now able to generate lists of comics that have
alreay been indexed, and a list of indexers. The latter currently looks like
this:
----
Legend of indexers of USA comics in the Disney comics database
AB Alberto Becattini (typed in by HF) [100]
AEn Anders Engwall [8]
AKr Andrew Krieg [36]
DGe David Gerstein [203]
FEk Fredrik Ekman [9]
HF Harry Fluks [134]
HFa Hannes Faestermann (additional info)
KCr Kjell Crone [476]
MSe Mark Semich [3]
ORN Ole Reichstein Nielsen [143]
PS Per Starback [151]
THe Tryg Helseth (additional info)
----
The numbers between [] indicate how many issues are indexed by the person.
If YOU want to be on this list: contact me. There are still a few Gladstone
and Disney issues un-indexed, and we can use help in indexing a lot of
Gold Key and Whitman comics.
In particular, I would like to have an index of the following:
Chip 'n' Dale Rescue Rangers : 1 - 4, 14, 16
Donald Duck : 288
Mickey Mouse Adventures : 1 - 13, 15 - 18
Walt Disney's Comics and Stories : 576, 592
The CB Library of Donald Duck Adventures in Color: 1 - 5, 7 - 13, 15 - ...
The CB Library of Gyro Gearloose Comics and Fillers in Color: 4
Enough for now. Back to the ducks and mice...
--Harry.
I have been busy the past few months in totally reconstructing the software
of the Disney comics Database (DcD). There are a lot more possibilities now.
One thing that has changed is that I now have _two_ output formats. One
readable for humans, like in the previous DcD version, and one more
readable for computers (but still plain Latin-1 text). To give an
example of both formats, let's use the first 2 entries in Disney
Comics's Autumn Adventures #1.
The output format 1 looks like this (as part of the file "gl-aa-dad.issues"):
----
Issue Story Pa L Plo Wri Art Ink Hero Tag:Title or description [comment]
code ges ttr ter ist er
AA = Autumn Adventures
AA 1a KQ 1390 1 c FD O:Disney Characters on Picknick
AA 1b W WDC 169-03 10 CB CB DD D:Travelling Truants [rp:LICW 26]
----
The output format 2 looks like this (wrapped to max 80 columns in this mail):
----
KQ 1390^g^k^AA 1a^ 1^c^O:Disney Characters on Picknick^hero:FD^
W WDC 169-03^g^k^AA 1b^10^^D:Travelling Truants^writ:CB^art:CB^hero:DD^date:5
4-01-07^rpg:LICW 26^rpu:WDC 422^rpn:55-38,86-15,BV.54,KV.08^rps:55-07,73-31^
----
While in a header file the following lines occur:
----
1^AA^g^Autumn Adventures^max:2^
2^AA 1^g^^inx:FEk^
----
(I still have to make an exact description of the formats...)
This "internal" format was meant for my own use at first, but it seemed handy
for use by Per as well for his WWW search programs.
Now I think it can also be used for conversion to the Grand Comics Database.
I can't use ftp or WWW, but I'll ask Tim Stroup if he can send me his
formats and examples by e-mail.
I added header lines to the database, which give information about
series or individual comics, like titles, cover dates, who indexed the comic and
maybe some other things. I am now able to generate lists of comics that have
alreay been indexed, and a list of indexers. The latter currently looks like
this:
----
Legend of indexers of USA comics in the Disney comics database
AB Alberto Becattini (typed in by HF) [100]
AEn Anders Engwall [8]
AKr Andrew Krieg [36]
DGe David Gerstein [203]
FEk Fredrik Ekman [9]
HF Harry Fluks [134]
HFa Hannes Faestermann (additional info)
KCr Kjell Crone [476]
MSe Mark Semich [3]
ORN Ole Reichstein Nielsen [143]
PS Per Starback [151]
THe Tryg Helseth (additional info)
----
The numbers between [] indicate how many issues are indexed by the person.
If YOU want to be on this list: contact me. There are still a few Gladstone
and Disney issues un-indexed, and we can use help in indexing a lot of
Gold Key and Whitman comics.
In particular, I would like to have an index of the following:
Chip 'n' Dale Rescue Rangers : 1 - 4, 14, 16
Donald Duck : 288
Mickey Mouse Adventures : 1 - 13, 15 - 18
Walt Disney's Comics and Stories : 576, 592
The CB Library of Donald Duck Adventures in Color: 1 - 5, 7 - 13, 15 - ...
The CB Library of Gyro Gearloose Comics and Fillers in Color: 4
Enough for now. Back to the ducks and mice...
--Harry.
Don Rosa
Disney-comics digest #647.
Message 147 -
1995-04-28 at 16:20:00
>[JORGEN:
Thanks for all the comments about that Solvent story. I love this
sorta stuff since it might give me an idea of something to change when
Gladstone reprints it, and then use your ideas and take credit for them. Hah!
The first thing about that story -- someone just pointed out to me
that I failed to hide the "D.U.C.K." in the splash. Oops.
VERY GOOD with your idea that the solvent should have been a black
hole, then all problems with weight and such would have been eliminated.
This was a new version of a story I had last done in 1978, and in that
version it WAS a mini-black hole!!! The solvent created was an
essence-of-black-hole and it carried the original black hole to the center
of the earth. This meant that all matter was not so much dissolved than
removed from the universe -- no increase in weight. Actually, the hole was
so dense, it had no weight since it was not effected by the earth's gravity.
I would have used that same idea in the Duck version, but I'm allowed SO FEW
pages to work with that my grandiose ideas get greatly cramped and cropped
down to bare bones.
You're quite wrong about how air would behave in a vertical shaft.
Yes, air in some container at the earth's surface would leak out to the area
of lesser pressure. But why then doesn't the earth's air all escape into
space? Gravity. Air has weight. That's why there's air pressure. The air in
the shaft would flow towards the bottom. Now, that still doesn't mean that
whole idea would work perfectly. The gravity down there would have been so
slight that there might have been problems with breathing. But I naturally
take some licenses and just decide that things will work (otherwise the
Ducks would die and the story would end). The pressure of the air higher in
the shaft weighed down on the air at the bottom, making it dense enough to
be breathable. Yeah, that's the ticket.
The idea of using the Terries and Fermies was NOT a reason for doing
the story. I knew I'd never do a sequel to that great story since, even
though I loved it, the use of such weird and wacky creatures is not the sort
of thing I like to do. I prefer to try to get plots out of facts closer to
reality and accurate to history. Just my own preference. However, I knew
that some readers would be watching that story and expecting the Terries and
Fermies to pop up at any moment. I thought that little toss-off gag would
satisfy them (at the risk of again offending those who might think I was
toying too frivolously with a classic). I know I can't please everyone, so I
try to please myself and hope for the best.
I have no control over the coloring. Even as a child I could tell
that the rock characters in that old Dell issue were supposed to all be
colored like ROCKS. It was the Dell colorists that decided it would be drab
for that story to all take place in gray panels of gray rock-people, so they
colored the T's and F's all manner of bright hues. And they did it even
moreso in these Euro editions. I don't really object to it since readers now
EXPECT T's and F's to be bright colors and anything different would puzzle them.
Well, now I hope Americans will forget all this before they read
this story in a Gladstone in a year or so.
I am now leaving again for a weekend show in Dayton... see you next
week.
Thanks for all the comments about that Solvent story. I love this
sorta stuff since it might give me an idea of something to change when
Gladstone reprints it, and then use your ideas and take credit for them. Hah!
The first thing about that story -- someone just pointed out to me
that I failed to hide the "D.U.C.K." in the splash. Oops.
VERY GOOD with your idea that the solvent should have been a black
hole, then all problems with weight and such would have been eliminated.
This was a new version of a story I had last done in 1978, and in that
version it WAS a mini-black hole!!! The solvent created was an
essence-of-black-hole and it carried the original black hole to the center
of the earth. This meant that all matter was not so much dissolved than
removed from the universe -- no increase in weight. Actually, the hole was
so dense, it had no weight since it was not effected by the earth's gravity.
I would have used that same idea in the Duck version, but I'm allowed SO FEW
pages to work with that my grandiose ideas get greatly cramped and cropped
down to bare bones.
You're quite wrong about how air would behave in a vertical shaft.
Yes, air in some container at the earth's surface would leak out to the area
of lesser pressure. But why then doesn't the earth's air all escape into
space? Gravity. Air has weight. That's why there's air pressure. The air in
the shaft would flow towards the bottom. Now, that still doesn't mean that
whole idea would work perfectly. The gravity down there would have been so
slight that there might have been problems with breathing. But I naturally
take some licenses and just decide that things will work (otherwise the
Ducks would die and the story would end). The pressure of the air higher in
the shaft weighed down on the air at the bottom, making it dense enough to
be breathable. Yeah, that's the ticket.
The idea of using the Terries and Fermies was NOT a reason for doing
the story. I knew I'd never do a sequel to that great story since, even
though I loved it, the use of such weird and wacky creatures is not the sort
of thing I like to do. I prefer to try to get plots out of facts closer to
reality and accurate to history. Just my own preference. However, I knew
that some readers would be watching that story and expecting the Terries and
Fermies to pop up at any moment. I thought that little toss-off gag would
satisfy them (at the risk of again offending those who might think I was
toying too frivolously with a classic). I know I can't please everyone, so I
try to please myself and hope for the best.
I have no control over the coloring. Even as a child I could tell
that the rock characters in that old Dell issue were supposed to all be
colored like ROCKS. It was the Dell colorists that decided it would be drab
for that story to all take place in gray panels of gray rock-people, so they
colored the T's and F's all manner of bright hues. And they did it even
moreso in these Euro editions. I don't really object to it since readers now
EXPECT T's and F's to be bright colors and anything different would puzzle them.
Well, now I hope Americans will forget all this before they read
this story in a Gladstone in a year or so.
I am now leaving again for a weekend show in Dayton... see you next
week.
Jørgen Andreas Bangor
Universal Solvent - and physics
Message 148 -
1995-04-28 at 18:21:57
> Since the volume of the shaft is neglible compared to the atmosphere,
> the pressure at the top of the shaft will be unchanged (101,3 kPa),
> and the force towards the center of the Earth will result in an increasing
> pressure down through the shaft. Actually I think the problem rather would
> be too high, than too low pressure.
The pressure at the top of the shaft is 0. They built a house at the top
and removed all the air from it. If they didn't, the air would continue to
flow into the shaft and end up in the solvent. This would go on until the
pressure at the surface was to small to push more air into the shaft.
The air in the shaft came into it before it was sealed.
Jorgen
> the pressure at the top of the shaft will be unchanged (101,3 kPa),
> and the force towards the center of the Earth will result in an increasing
> pressure down through the shaft. Actually I think the problem rather would
> be too high, than too low pressure.
The pressure at the top of the shaft is 0. They built a house at the top
and removed all the air from it. If they didn't, the air would continue to
flow into the shaft and end up in the solvent. This would go on until the
pressure at the surface was to small to push more air into the shaft.
The air in the shaft came into it before it was sealed.
Jorgen
Jacob Sparre Andersen
Universal Solvent - and physics
Message 149 -
1995-04-28 at 18:55:10
Now you've been talking so much physics, that I feel I can put in some
(non Disney comics related) comments, even though I haven't seen the first
two parts of the Universal Solvent story yet.
Don Rosa (to Jorgen):
| You're quite wrong about how air would behave in a vertical shaft.
| Yes, air in some container at the earth's surface would leak out to the area
| of lesser pressure. But why then doesn't the earth's air all escape into
| space? Gravity. Air has weight. That's why there's air pressure. The air in
| the shaft would flow towards the bottom. Now, that still doesn't mean that
| whole idea would work perfectly. The gravity down there would have been so
| slight that there might have been problems with breathing. But I naturally
| take some licenses and just decide that things will work (otherwise the
| Ducks would die and the story would end). The pressure of the air higher in
| the shaft weighed down on the air at the bottom, making it dense enough to
| be breathable. Yeah, that's the ticket.
I agree with the conclusion, but not the argument.:-)
Since the volume of the shaft is neglible compared to the atmosphere, the
pressure at the top of the shaft will be unchanged (101,3 kPa), and the force
towards the center of the Earth will result in an increasing pressure down
through the shaft. Actually I think the problem rather would be too high, than
too low pressure.
Did I miss something obvious?
Does anyone know if it's possible to get the Danish AA&Co. #13 and 14
somewhere?
Regards,
Jacob Sparre Andersen.
--
A Faroeese student, far far away from home
--
URL's: "mailto:sparre at nbi.dk", "http://fys.ku.dk/~sparre",
"mailto:sparre+ at pitt.edu" & "http://www.pitt.edu/~sparre".
--
"We need a plan to diverge from", Fesser
(non Disney comics related) comments, even though I haven't seen the first
two parts of the Universal Solvent story yet.
Don Rosa (to Jorgen):
| You're quite wrong about how air would behave in a vertical shaft.
| Yes, air in some container at the earth's surface would leak out to the area
| of lesser pressure. But why then doesn't the earth's air all escape into
| space? Gravity. Air has weight. That's why there's air pressure. The air in
| the shaft would flow towards the bottom. Now, that still doesn't mean that
| whole idea would work perfectly. The gravity down there would have been so
| slight that there might have been problems with breathing. But I naturally
| take some licenses and just decide that things will work (otherwise the
| Ducks would die and the story would end). The pressure of the air higher in
| the shaft weighed down on the air at the bottom, making it dense enough to
| be breathable. Yeah, that's the ticket.
I agree with the conclusion, but not the argument.:-)
Since the volume of the shaft is neglible compared to the atmosphere, the
pressure at the top of the shaft will be unchanged (101,3 kPa), and the force
towards the center of the Earth will result in an increasing pressure down
through the shaft. Actually I think the problem rather would be too high, than
too low pressure.
Did I miss something obvious?
Does anyone know if it's possible to get the Danish AA&Co. #13 and 14
somewhere?
Regards,
Jacob Sparre Andersen.
--
A Faroeese student, far far away from home
--
URL's: "mailto:sparre at nbi.dk", "http://fys.ku.dk/~sparre",
"mailto:sparre+ at pitt.edu" & "http://www.pitt.edu/~sparre".
--
"We need a plan to diverge from", Fesser
Cdoberman
DD&Co #15
Message 150 -
1995-04-28 at 22:05:29
jorgen: "You Americans won't see this anyway -- the pygmes are black."
I think it is interesting that Disney will allow some material to be printed
in one country, and not another. This is a very racist pattern, in my view.
They don't censor material in the U.S. on any principle -- just out of fear
of public reaction. If it's wrong to portray ethnic stereotypes in the U.S.,
then it should be wrong everywhere. They're saying, it is not wrong to
portray people stereotypically, only in countries where it will create bad
Public Relations.
I think it is interesting that Disney will allow some material to be printed
in one country, and not another. This is a very racist pattern, in my view.
They don't censor material in the U.S. on any principle -- just out of fear
of public reaction. If it's wrong to portray ethnic stereotypes in the U.S.,
then it should be wrong everywhere. They're saying, it is not wrong to
portray people stereotypically, only in countries where it will create bad
Public Relations.