Steven and Nils,
Southern Baptists and other Christians are also boycotting Disney
Land/World, and products for their Gay Rights parades held in DisneyLand.
- Kathy
> Steven Rowe:
> Thanks for the interesting piece of curiosa news, that
>about the Southern Baptists boycotting all Disney items, because
>the Disney Corporation appears to accept same-sex living partners
>(if I understood this correctly). And an interesting Freudian
>slip-of-the-typing-finger; "one of the largest religious demoniations
>in the USA".
>
> Nils Lid Hjort
>
>
>
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Author
Topic: 199607
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Kathy Fitzpatrick
Re:Disney Boycott
Message 16 -
1996-07-02 at 05:01:06
Augie De Blieck Jr.
CBG and "ballot-stuffing"
Message 17 -
1996-07-02 at 05:47:25
Well, here's the skinny from the new issue of the CBG:
* Is it my imagination or did CBG seem to hide the results far into the
issue? It was on page 63, after a lot of ad pages, separated by far from
the regular columns. Anyway...
* Here's the opening paragraph written as an introduction to the results
by CBG's John Jackson Miller:
"Uncle Scrooge creator Carl Barks produced his first new comic-book work
in years in 1995, and his fans celebrated it, voting the 95-year-old
creator "Favorite Writer" and bestowing seven other awards on creators
and projects assciated with him.
"Barks fan clubs contacted voters from around the world to honor him and
with the infusion of many voters who don't regularly participate in CBG
Fan Awards, the results reflected a much broader international mix of
comics fans. While not the first time organized efforts have turned out
the vote for the Fan Awards, this is the first time a major public appeal
for support - made by several, including Diamond Comics Distributors'
Steve Geppi - has made such an impact on the final results. As usual,
ballots were scrutinized and spotchecks were made to gaurantee the
integrity of the survey as an instrument for communicating the
preferences of true comics fans everywhere."
* It should also be noted that it did not help Marvel's case that they
didn't print the ballot that much this year. Nor did Image, I don't
believe. Marvel hasn't printed the ballot for the past two years,
according to the commentary. Thus, Marvel's voting numbers for Favorite
Comic Book have been cut in half in two years.
* How much did Carl Barks win by? Favorite writer stats:
Carl Barks 392
Mark Waid 156
Peter David 115
Kurt Busiek 100
Neil Gaiman 85
* Numbers were similar throughout, with Carl Barks or his work getting in
the neighborhood of 350-400 votes, with second place distantly behind by
a margin greater than 200 to 250 votes.
* It is obvious Bill Grandey is behind much of this. Note that William
Van Horn got all the other awards rather than Don Rosa. WVH is Carl
Barks' preferred artist.
* Note also that there is a LOT of foreign contribution to this list.
How else to explain the dominance in the other categories, but not in
Favorite Colorist? Susan Daigle-Leah only got 44 votes. Those are
probably your American voters. Tom McCraw won that category with 90
votes, probably due to a well-organized campaign of voting by Legion fans.
* It seems most people are just upset that this organized campaign won
rather than the fact that there was an organized campaign. Sour grapes.
The same thing happened when Kathy Lee Gifford won the Most Respected
Woman poll in Good Housekeeping a couple of years ago after she
campaigned for it on-air.
* Huey Dewey and Louie garnered 213 votes. Secod place went to Batman
with 114 votes, and Uncle $crooge came in third with 77. This I don't
understand. Why didn't Carl Barks fans go for Unce $crooge - Carl Barks'
grand creation?
* Found it funny that the running commentary gave ideas to Duck fans on
how to vote for next year's awards - like pointing out how Carl Barks'
cover to WDC&S #601 is eligible for next year's awards, but not this last
one.
* Also of note to Duck fans: For Favorite Limited Series, Sin City: The
Big Fat Kill (the least of the Sin City sagas, IMHO) got first place with
50 votes. #6 was Chiaroscuro: The Private Lives of Leonardo da Vinci
with 20 votes! Congratulations, Dave!
* There is an interesting analysis of the total number of voters at the
end. The big Duck influence tended not to influence the age bracket
of fans too much, although Duck fans had a greater percentage of
female readers. 40% of Duck voters were female, with 20% overall being
female.
* They ran two separate line graphs to show the age range of voters. The
second graph had heavier lines to indicate where the Duck voters were -
they skewed older, for what it's worth.
-Augie, solicitations to come
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Augie De Blieck Jr. * "I've got to start drinking more. My life wouldn't
(Email removed) * make any more sense but at least I'd have something
(Email removed) * to blame it on." -Dragon (TSD #28 by Erik Larsen)
* Is it my imagination or did CBG seem to hide the results far into the
issue? It was on page 63, after a lot of ad pages, separated by far from
the regular columns. Anyway...
* Here's the opening paragraph written as an introduction to the results
by CBG's John Jackson Miller:
"Uncle Scrooge creator Carl Barks produced his first new comic-book work
in years in 1995, and his fans celebrated it, voting the 95-year-old
creator "Favorite Writer" and bestowing seven other awards on creators
and projects assciated with him.
"Barks fan clubs contacted voters from around the world to honor him and
with the infusion of many voters who don't regularly participate in CBG
Fan Awards, the results reflected a much broader international mix of
comics fans. While not the first time organized efforts have turned out
the vote for the Fan Awards, this is the first time a major public appeal
for support - made by several, including Diamond Comics Distributors'
Steve Geppi - has made such an impact on the final results. As usual,
ballots were scrutinized and spotchecks were made to gaurantee the
integrity of the survey as an instrument for communicating the
preferences of true comics fans everywhere."
* It should also be noted that it did not help Marvel's case that they
didn't print the ballot that much this year. Nor did Image, I don't
believe. Marvel hasn't printed the ballot for the past two years,
according to the commentary. Thus, Marvel's voting numbers for Favorite
Comic Book have been cut in half in two years.
* How much did Carl Barks win by? Favorite writer stats:
Carl Barks 392
Mark Waid 156
Peter David 115
Kurt Busiek 100
Neil Gaiman 85
* Numbers were similar throughout, with Carl Barks or his work getting in
the neighborhood of 350-400 votes, with second place distantly behind by
a margin greater than 200 to 250 votes.
* It is obvious Bill Grandey is behind much of this. Note that William
Van Horn got all the other awards rather than Don Rosa. WVH is Carl
Barks' preferred artist.
* Note also that there is a LOT of foreign contribution to this list.
How else to explain the dominance in the other categories, but not in
Favorite Colorist? Susan Daigle-Leah only got 44 votes. Those are
probably your American voters. Tom McCraw won that category with 90
votes, probably due to a well-organized campaign of voting by Legion fans.
* It seems most people are just upset that this organized campaign won
rather than the fact that there was an organized campaign. Sour grapes.
The same thing happened when Kathy Lee Gifford won the Most Respected
Woman poll in Good Housekeeping a couple of years ago after she
campaigned for it on-air.
* Huey Dewey and Louie garnered 213 votes. Secod place went to Batman
with 114 votes, and Uncle $crooge came in third with 77. This I don't
understand. Why didn't Carl Barks fans go for Unce $crooge - Carl Barks'
grand creation?
* Found it funny that the running commentary gave ideas to Duck fans on
how to vote for next year's awards - like pointing out how Carl Barks'
cover to WDC&S #601 is eligible for next year's awards, but not this last
one.
* Also of note to Duck fans: For Favorite Limited Series, Sin City: The
Big Fat Kill (the least of the Sin City sagas, IMHO) got first place with
50 votes. #6 was Chiaroscuro: The Private Lives of Leonardo da Vinci
with 20 votes! Congratulations, Dave!
* There is an interesting analysis of the total number of voters at the
end. The big Duck influence tended not to influence the age bracket
of fans too much, although Duck fans had a greater percentage of
female readers. 40% of Duck voters were female, with 20% overall being
female.
* They ran two separate line graphs to show the age range of voters. The
second graph had heavier lines to indicate where the Duck voters were -
they skewed older, for what it's worth.
-Augie, solicitations to come
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Augie De Blieck Jr. * "I've got to start drinking more. My life wouldn't
(Email removed) * make any more sense but at least I'd have something
(Email removed) * to blame it on." -Dragon (TSD #28 by Erik Larsen)
Augie De Blieck Jr.
Disney comics Digest V96 #139
Message 18 -
1996-07-02 at 06:03:29
MIKE:
> What is it about William Van Horn that you people find so
> fascinating about? Personally I think that neither his stories or his
He's got a hyper cartoony style. It's just different and noticeable, and
I like it. Comparing his art to Don Rosa's is like comparing second and
first season episodes of DuckTales. ::duck and run:: He has a terrific
way with the English language, much of which must get lost in the
translation. His stories, though, aren't that great. But he does some
great gags and has some excellent layout efforts.
JONATHAN:
> About DDMM's cancellation, *I* think that if Gladstone's sales are low,
> Donald Duck should be their main concern. I don't think they should
Well, these decisions are made on a title by title basis. I've a feeling
the numbers on Donald Duck aren't as low as they are on DDMM. This is
why one is cancelled and not the other. I agree with you, though, in
that DDMM had a more excited set of stories than DD.
> AUGIE (AND OTHERS):
>
> You want letter columns back in the comic books? I'm with you all the way!
Thank-you. But Gladstone seems hell-bent on keeping them to themselves. =(
> But little titles aside, the main gripe I have is Walt Disney Giant. If they
> can print "The Cold-Blooded Penguin" in issue 2, and *FIVE* Year-That-Was
> pages in issue 6, prove it to me that they can't fit in letters.
You bet! This is the biggest joke of them all. And it is also where
this "holding room for advertisements" theory doesn't hold water. Do
they really believe they are going to sell 6 pages' of ads at the last
minute? Puh-leeze! It's sad.
DWIGGHT:
> The winners were frankly unbelievable in their tilt to Duck fans.
Yup. There were some 300 - 400 extra votes brought in by the Duck fans.
> I've already been hearing complaints from non-Duck fans about the
> results.
Tough noogies. This isn't some sort of scientific survey. These awards
are about as true-to-form as the Wizard awards are.
> and promptly posted. As I think Jackie Estrada said, are the CBG
> Awards going to be some sort of "battle of the fan clubs" from
They very well may be. I'm surprised it has taken this long. Couple of
interesting notes: In the category of Favorite Comic Book, there are 13
votes for something called Pest (from a publisher called Pest). Do you
think these are the random ballot of a few fans, or the organized effort
of the creators - maybe via some lettercol campaigning - to get
recognized? Has anyone heard of this comic before now? In Favorite
Comic Book Story, there were 10 votes from "Soldier of Misfortune" from
"Red Bullet: Artillery. Anyone hear of this?
> here on in? Instead of being the honest reflection of the feelings
> of a representative selection of average fans, are the awards going
> to reflect organized voting blocs like political parties?
The CBG Fan Awards have never represented this, though. They are skewed
to the company which publishes the ballots the most. Marvel's numbers
have been cut in half since they stopped printing the ballot. Sure,
their books stink on ice these days and there are generally less people
reading comics, but I'd guess that their drop in results come more from
their lack of printing the ballow/
-Augie
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Augie De Blieck Jr. * "I've got to start drinking more. My life wouldn't
(Email removed) * make any more sense but at least I'd have something
(Email removed) * to blame it on." -Dragon (TSD #28 by Erik Larsen)
> What is it about William Van Horn that you people find so
> fascinating about? Personally I think that neither his stories or his
He's got a hyper cartoony style. It's just different and noticeable, and
I like it. Comparing his art to Don Rosa's is like comparing second and
first season episodes of DuckTales. ::duck and run:: He has a terrific
way with the English language, much of which must get lost in the
translation. His stories, though, aren't that great. But he does some
great gags and has some excellent layout efforts.
JONATHAN:
> About DDMM's cancellation, *I* think that if Gladstone's sales are low,
> Donald Duck should be their main concern. I don't think they should
Well, these decisions are made on a title by title basis. I've a feeling
the numbers on Donald Duck aren't as low as they are on DDMM. This is
why one is cancelled and not the other. I agree with you, though, in
that DDMM had a more excited set of stories than DD.
> AUGIE (AND OTHERS):
>
> You want letter columns back in the comic books? I'm with you all the way!
Thank-you. But Gladstone seems hell-bent on keeping them to themselves. =(
> But little titles aside, the main gripe I have is Walt Disney Giant. If they
> can print "The Cold-Blooded Penguin" in issue 2, and *FIVE* Year-That-Was
> pages in issue 6, prove it to me that they can't fit in letters.
You bet! This is the biggest joke of them all. And it is also where
this "holding room for advertisements" theory doesn't hold water. Do
they really believe they are going to sell 6 pages' of ads at the last
minute? Puh-leeze! It's sad.
DWIGGHT:
> The winners were frankly unbelievable in their tilt to Duck fans.
Yup. There were some 300 - 400 extra votes brought in by the Duck fans.
> I've already been hearing complaints from non-Duck fans about the
> results.
Tough noogies. This isn't some sort of scientific survey. These awards
are about as true-to-form as the Wizard awards are.
> and promptly posted. As I think Jackie Estrada said, are the CBG
> Awards going to be some sort of "battle of the fan clubs" from
They very well may be. I'm surprised it has taken this long. Couple of
interesting notes: In the category of Favorite Comic Book, there are 13
votes for something called Pest (from a publisher called Pest). Do you
think these are the random ballot of a few fans, or the organized effort
of the creators - maybe via some lettercol campaigning - to get
recognized? Has anyone heard of this comic before now? In Favorite
Comic Book Story, there were 10 votes from "Soldier of Misfortune" from
"Red Bullet: Artillery. Anyone hear of this?
> here on in? Instead of being the honest reflection of the feelings
> of a representative selection of average fans, are the awards going
> to reflect organized voting blocs like political parties?
The CBG Fan Awards have never represented this, though. They are skewed
to the company which publishes the ballots the most. Marvel's numbers
have been cut in half since they stopped printing the ballot. Sure,
their books stink on ice these days and there are generally less people
reading comics, but I'd guess that their drop in results come more from
their lack of printing the ballow/
-Augie
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Augie De Blieck Jr. * "I've got to start drinking more. My life wouldn't
(Email removed) * make any more sense but at least I'd have something
(Email removed) * to blame it on." -Dragon (TSD #28 by Erik Larsen)
Augie De Blieck Jr.
September Gladstone Releases
Message 19 -
1996-07-02 at 06:22:41
Books solicited to ship in September 1996 from Gladstone Comics:
* DONALD DUCK ADVENTURES #41
"Bruce McDuck" - no credits mentioned - DD, HDL go to Australia
"The Duck Who Cried Wolf" - no credits mentioned
Cover by Al Hubbard
$1.50
* UNCLE $CROOGE #301
"Statuesque Spendthrifts" by Carl Barks (reprint: WDC&S #138)
"Mind Over Mustard" 4-page Gyro story
"The Moving Money Bin" with the Beagle Boys
Cover by Mau Heymans - the one scheduled from last issue
$1.50
* UNCLE $CROOGE ADVENTURES IN COLOR #9
"The Lemming with the Locket"
"The Tuckered Tiger" - Barks' remake of "Maharajah Donald"
$8.95
* UNCLE $CROOGE ADVENTURES IN COLOR #10
"The Fabulous Philosopher's Stone"
"The Heirloom Watch"
$8.95
* WALT DISNEY'S COMICS AND STORIES #606
"Winging It!" - WVH - DD as wilderness trail guide for escaped convict
"The Universal Solvent" - Don Rosa - Part 3/3
"The Phantom Blot" - FG - Part 2/?
"Milktime Melodies" - 7-page Barks Gyro story
"Gremlins" - a "special feature on all 9 Gremlins, eight of them drawn
by Walt Kelly; and an article about the feature and WWII
with a biography of Kelly."
[I'm taking side bets: Is Bruce Hamilton selling the
original art to this?]
$5.95
And on a personal note, check out the page before on this catalog for a
full-page ad for BORIS' ADVENTURE MAGAZINE starring Boris the Bear.
James Dean Smith does some great work with Boris. In September, Boris
plays Captain America. $2.95
-Augie
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Augie De Blieck Jr. * "I've got to start drinking more. My life wouldn't
(Email removed) * make any more sense but at least I'd have something
(Email removed) * to blame it on." -Dragon (TSD #28 by Erik Larsen)
* DONALD DUCK ADVENTURES #41
"Bruce McDuck" - no credits mentioned - DD, HDL go to Australia
"The Duck Who Cried Wolf" - no credits mentioned
Cover by Al Hubbard
$1.50
* UNCLE $CROOGE #301
"Statuesque Spendthrifts" by Carl Barks (reprint: WDC&S #138)
"Mind Over Mustard" 4-page Gyro story
"The Moving Money Bin" with the Beagle Boys
Cover by Mau Heymans - the one scheduled from last issue
$1.50
* UNCLE $CROOGE ADVENTURES IN COLOR #9
"The Lemming with the Locket"
"The Tuckered Tiger" - Barks' remake of "Maharajah Donald"
$8.95
* UNCLE $CROOGE ADVENTURES IN COLOR #10
"The Fabulous Philosopher's Stone"
"The Heirloom Watch"
$8.95
* WALT DISNEY'S COMICS AND STORIES #606
"Winging It!" - WVH - DD as wilderness trail guide for escaped convict
"The Universal Solvent" - Don Rosa - Part 3/3
"The Phantom Blot" - FG - Part 2/?
"Milktime Melodies" - 7-page Barks Gyro story
"Gremlins" - a "special feature on all 9 Gremlins, eight of them drawn
by Walt Kelly; and an article about the feature and WWII
with a biography of Kelly."
[I'm taking side bets: Is Bruce Hamilton selling the
original art to this?]
$5.95
And on a personal note, check out the page before on this catalog for a
full-page ad for BORIS' ADVENTURE MAGAZINE starring Boris the Bear.
James Dean Smith does some great work with Boris. In September, Boris
plays Captain America. $2.95
-Augie
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Augie De Blieck Jr. * "I've got to start drinking more. My life wouldn't
(Email removed) * make any more sense but at least I'd have something
(Email removed) * to blame it on." -Dragon (TSD #28 by Erik Larsen)
Jyrki Vainio
Disney comics Digest V96 #139
Message 20 -
1996-07-02 at 18:57:20
MIKE:
I'm with you in this van Horn thing... Of contemporary Disney
artists I enjoy most Daniel Branca. I can't articulate any
specific reason for this - his work just pleases my eye.
Many times I've heard that Daan Jippes is VERY good, but since
noone has yet pointed any specific Jippes story to me saying
"Look, Jippes!" I don't exactly know what his style looks like.
One more thing about van Horn - I think his pencil sketches
for "Horsing" looked better than the finished art!
--- Jyrki Vainio ---
I'm with you in this van Horn thing... Of contemporary Disney
artists I enjoy most Daniel Branca. I can't articulate any
specific reason for this - his work just pleases my eye.
Many times I've heard that Daan Jippes is VERY good, but since
noone has yet pointed any specific Jippes story to me saying
"Look, Jippes!" I don't exactly know what his style looks like.
One more thing about van Horn - I think his pencil sketches
for "Horsing" looked better than the finished art!
--- Jyrki Vainio ---
Mikko Aittola
Disney comics Digest V96 #139
Message 21 -
1996-07-02 at 22:38:22
Mike Pohjola:
I like William Van Horn's stories. Some are better than others,
but compared to standard Egmont ten-pagers they're killer.
I like his art too. Personal style, economic and clean brush
stroke...
He can also write a good adventure story, like 'The Black Moon.'
(Donald Duck Adventures #24)
BTW, the quality of the stories improves usually about zillion times
if you read the Gladstone version and compare it to the Finnish
translation. Bill likes to play with English language...
( = Very hard to translate. )
/Mikko
I like William Van Horn's stories. Some are better than others,
but compared to standard Egmont ten-pagers they're killer.
I like his art too. Personal style, economic and clean brush
stroke...
He can also write a good adventure story, like 'The Black Moon.'
(Donald Duck Adventures #24)
BTW, the quality of the stories improves usually about zillion times
if you read the Gladstone version and compare it to the Finnish
translation. Bill likes to play with English language...
( = Very hard to translate. )
/Mikko
GaryB98294
Disney comics Digest V96 #139
Message 22 -
1996-07-02 at 23:28:44
Just got back from a one-day visit to Disney World, Disney/MGM and E.P.C.O.T.
mY sons (15 and 13) KNOW what they want to ride and I just tag along after
them. (By the way, the Alien Encounters ride is the best).
Of the three parks, I only saw TWO Scrooge items for sale. One was a litho by
Barks and the other a "How to Draw Scrooge and Huey, Dewey and Louie" by a
couple of guys I never heard of. that was it! Very strange.
Of course, Hunchback stuff was all over the place -- they even had a guy
walking around MGM in a Hunchback costume. He got a lot of stares and only a
few kids who wanted to get a photo with him. It seems the biggest draw was a
guy dressed like Ace Ventura on the backlot. The line was incredible. (Of
course, this was true about 5-6 years ago when we visited and the Teen-age
Mutant Ninja Turtles were all the rage -- they kids just flocked to that
show).
Another interesting this is that I found some of the Gladstone books with
REAL covers on them in an Ocala book store. I've heard that these existed,
but never saw them. The paper still is rather cheap and doesn't "feel right."
Is it just the distribution in Florida or is Gladstone slipping quite a bit
on issuing their comics on time. For the last three months we've gotten one
month's comics a week or two into the next month.
Gary Brown
Bradenton, Florida
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mY sons (15 and 13) KNOW what they want to ride and I just tag along after
them. (By the way, the Alien Encounters ride is the best).
Of the three parks, I only saw TWO Scrooge items for sale. One was a litho by
Barks and the other a "How to Draw Scrooge and Huey, Dewey and Louie" by a
couple of guys I never heard of. that was it! Very strange.
Of course, Hunchback stuff was all over the place -- they even had a guy
walking around MGM in a Hunchback costume. He got a lot of stares and only a
few kids who wanted to get a photo with him. It seems the biggest draw was a
guy dressed like Ace Ventura on the backlot. The line was incredible. (Of
course, this was true about 5-6 years ago when we visited and the Teen-age
Mutant Ninja Turtles were all the rage -- they kids just flocked to that
show).
Another interesting this is that I found some of the Gladstone books with
REAL covers on them in an Ocala book store. I've heard that these existed,
but never saw them. The paper still is rather cheap and doesn't "feel right."
Is it just the distribution in Florida or is Gladstone slipping quite a bit
on issuing their comics on time. For the last three months we've gotten one
month's comics a week or two into the next month.
Gary Brown
Bradenton, Florida
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TWAdair
Question
Message 23 -
1996-07-03 at 08:35:55
Greetings from the San Diego Convention Center! (I am using a terminal right
in front of Exhibit Hall B). (Comics Expo)
I've been talking to one of the Disney lurkers, and he/she was hesitant to
show up because he/she thought, that as an employee of Disney, he/she might
not be welcome. I didn't carry the topic further, but I was just wondering,
are Disney employees as vilified as the Corporation is?
Anyway, see you all at 8 AM on the Fifth at the Marriott for breakfast!
Torsten Adair (Email removed) San Diego, CA, USA
in front of Exhibit Hall B). (Comics Expo)
I've been talking to one of the Disney lurkers, and he/she was hesitant to
show up because he/she thought, that as an employee of Disney, he/she might
not be welcome. I didn't carry the topic further, but I was just wondering,
are Disney employees as vilified as the Corporation is?
Anyway, see you all at 8 AM on the Fifth at the Marriott for breakfast!
Torsten Adair (Email removed) San Diego, CA, USA
Ulrich Hochstetter
Disney comics Digest V96 #139
Message 24 -
1996-07-03 at 12:31:37
At 04:02 02.07.1996 +0100, you wrote:
Mike:
>What is it about William Van Horn that you people find so
>fascinating about?=20
>Am I all alone here?
You=B4re not alone, i prefer "classic Barks" or "stylish Rosa". Some other
artists draw very fine and interesting stories, but imho sure NOT Van Horn.
We have to live with his paintings, coz Gladstone didn=B4t cancel him...
Bye, Uli
Mike:
>What is it about William Van Horn that you people find so
>fascinating about?=20
>Am I all alone here?
You=B4re not alone, i prefer "classic Barks" or "stylish Rosa". Some other
artists draw very fine and interesting stories, but imho sure NOT Van Horn.
We have to live with his paintings, coz Gladstone didn=B4t cancel him...
Bye, Uli
Grubert, Per
Birthdays etc
Message 25 -
1996-07-03 at 20:33:17
Thank you for the information you sent me EPS will include it in our
preparations for the birthdays. We plan to do some birthday products
which I will inform you of later
Per
preparations for the birthdays. We plan to do some birthday products
which I will inform you of later
Per
Markoff
Disney comics Digest V96 #140
Message 26 -
1996-07-03 at 21:30:28
MIKE, WILMER, AUGIE, AND OTHERS:
>> What is it about William Van Horn that you people find so
>> fascinating about? Personally I think that neither his stories or his
>
>He's got a hyper cartoony style. It's just different and noticeable, and
>I like it. Comparing his art to Don Rosa's is like comparing second and
>first season episodes of DuckTales. ::duck and run:: He has a terrific
>way with the English language, much of which must get lost in the
>translation. His stories, though, aren't that great. But he does some
>great gags and has some excellent layout efforts.
One thing I like about WVH's artwork is that his Ducks are "closeup" in the
picture, making them seem bigger and commanding more attention. Of all the
Van Horn stories I've read, my favorites are:
"The Black Moon" (DDA 24)
"Magica's Missin' Magic" (WDC&S 591)
"The Hauntland Treasure" (DDA 38)
I didn't care much for "The Pauper's Glass" (U$ 298). The plot was rather
predictable and the side characters less flamboyant. In a text page in that
issue, WVH talks about rewriting the story several times, but I think it
needed a few *more* rewrites.
AUGIE:
>> But little titles aside, the main gripe I have is Walt Disney Giant. If they
>> can print "The Cold-Blooded Penguin" in issue 2, and *FIVE* Year-That-Was
>> pages in issue 6, prove it to me that they can't fit in letters.
>
>You bet! This is the biggest joke of them all. And it is also where
>this "holding room for advertisements" theory doesn't hold water. Do
>they really believe they are going to sell 6 pages' of ads at the last
>minute? Puh-leeze! It's sad.
More likely those *are* ads. The 30-year-old comics mentioned in "TYTW" are
the exact same ones Bruce Hamilton trying to sell in his latest catalog!
Getting further beneath my skin is that the layout of the "TYTW" pages is a
miscroscopic text in an uncomfortable font, a pointlessly gargantuan picture
of the cover, and an equally gargantuan space of blank white!
--Jonathan
>> What is it about William Van Horn that you people find so
>> fascinating about? Personally I think that neither his stories or his
>
>He's got a hyper cartoony style. It's just different and noticeable, and
>I like it. Comparing his art to Don Rosa's is like comparing second and
>first season episodes of DuckTales. ::duck and run:: He has a terrific
>way with the English language, much of which must get lost in the
>translation. His stories, though, aren't that great. But he does some
>great gags and has some excellent layout efforts.
One thing I like about WVH's artwork is that his Ducks are "closeup" in the
picture, making them seem bigger and commanding more attention. Of all the
Van Horn stories I've read, my favorites are:
"The Black Moon" (DDA 24)
"Magica's Missin' Magic" (WDC&S 591)
"The Hauntland Treasure" (DDA 38)
I didn't care much for "The Pauper's Glass" (U$ 298). The plot was rather
predictable and the side characters less flamboyant. In a text page in that
issue, WVH talks about rewriting the story several times, but I think it
needed a few *more* rewrites.
AUGIE:
>> But little titles aside, the main gripe I have is Walt Disney Giant. If they
>> can print "The Cold-Blooded Penguin" in issue 2, and *FIVE* Year-That-Was
>> pages in issue 6, prove it to me that they can't fit in letters.
>
>You bet! This is the biggest joke of them all. And it is also where
>this "holding room for advertisements" theory doesn't hold water. Do
>they really believe they are going to sell 6 pages' of ads at the last
>minute? Puh-leeze! It's sad.
More likely those *are* ads. The 30-year-old comics mentioned in "TYTW" are
the exact same ones Bruce Hamilton trying to sell in his latest catalog!
Getting further beneath my skin is that the layout of the "TYTW" pages is a
miscroscopic text in an uncomfortable font, a pointlessly gargantuan picture
of the cover, and an equally gargantuan space of blank white!
--Jonathan
Donald D. Markstein
Junkville Journal
Message 27 -
1996-07-04 at 03:03:51
DWIGHT DECKER --
It isn't the odd bits in SAILOR MOON that lead me to call it "drivel" --
odd bits, whether they fit my cultural (or other) biases or not, give a work
character. I may not care much for them, but my dislike for something strongly
characterized by odd bits is different from my dislike of "drivel", which term I
reserve for things with lame dialog, trite plots, dumb characters, and other
flat characteristics I see in that show. Like I said, tho, maybe the Japanese
version is better.
JONATHAN MARKOFF --
It would probably have been in 1994 that I got my copy of the "First
Appearances" album, but not, I think, as early as February of that year. And
since I don't associate WDC&S covers with the stories inside, I didn't even
notice which one the cover originally went to.
WILMER RIVERS --
In an attempt to be as representative as possible, the CBG Awards do not
limit their voting to CBG readers. (Beats me, tho, how anything could be more
representative of U.S. comics readers than the CBG subscription list.)
Publishers have been known to print the ballot in their comics, presumably to
broaden the voting base but actually (I'm afraid) more likely in an attempt to
skew the results in their favor. This year, I understand fewer publishers ran
the ballots, and Gladstone was not one of the ones that dropped it -- AND, there
seems to have been at least one campaign to get out the vote in favor of Disney,
and possibly two. No matter what the odd factors involved, I have a hard time
believing results like this are truly representative, in any way, of American
comics readers -- if they were, then why aren't the Gladstones selling better?
All I can say is, where was this campaign two years ago, when "Guardians
of the Lost Library" actually WAS the best comics story published in the U.S.?
Two thousand ballots were counted, by the way, down some from last year.
The average age of voters (by all three criteria -- mode, median and mean) was
higher than usual, tho the mode was up by only a year. All Duck victories were
landslides, ranging from 1.51x the vote count of the next highest (Van Horn's
lettering beat that of Richard Starkings 275 to 181) all the way up to 6.18x
(Van Horn's art beat that of John Byrne 315 to 51).
PER STARBUCK --
"Also there's the risk that non-Duck fans who want to know what all the
fuzz is about pick up _Horsing Around_, and form their opinion on
Barks's stories and what duck fandom in general cherish from that."
Oh, I wouldn't worry about that. American comics readers are very good at
ignoring Disney.
Quack,
Don Markstein
It isn't the odd bits in SAILOR MOON that lead me to call it "drivel" --
odd bits, whether they fit my cultural (or other) biases or not, give a work
character. I may not care much for them, but my dislike for something strongly
characterized by odd bits is different from my dislike of "drivel", which term I
reserve for things with lame dialog, trite plots, dumb characters, and other
flat characteristics I see in that show. Like I said, tho, maybe the Japanese
version is better.
JONATHAN MARKOFF --
It would probably have been in 1994 that I got my copy of the "First
Appearances" album, but not, I think, as early as February of that year. And
since I don't associate WDC&S covers with the stories inside, I didn't even
notice which one the cover originally went to.
WILMER RIVERS --
In an attempt to be as representative as possible, the CBG Awards do not
limit their voting to CBG readers. (Beats me, tho, how anything could be more
representative of U.S. comics readers than the CBG subscription list.)
Publishers have been known to print the ballot in their comics, presumably to
broaden the voting base but actually (I'm afraid) more likely in an attempt to
skew the results in their favor. This year, I understand fewer publishers ran
the ballots, and Gladstone was not one of the ones that dropped it -- AND, there
seems to have been at least one campaign to get out the vote in favor of Disney,
and possibly two. No matter what the odd factors involved, I have a hard time
believing results like this are truly representative, in any way, of American
comics readers -- if they were, then why aren't the Gladstones selling better?
All I can say is, where was this campaign two years ago, when "Guardians
of the Lost Library" actually WAS the best comics story published in the U.S.?
Two thousand ballots were counted, by the way, down some from last year.
The average age of voters (by all three criteria -- mode, median and mean) was
higher than usual, tho the mode was up by only a year. All Duck victories were
landslides, ranging from 1.51x the vote count of the next highest (Van Horn's
lettering beat that of Richard Starkings 275 to 181) all the way up to 6.18x
(Van Horn's art beat that of John Byrne 315 to 51).
PER STARBUCK --
"Also there's the risk that non-Duck fans who want to know what all the
fuzz is about pick up _Horsing Around_, and form their opinion on
Barks's stories and what duck fandom in general cherish from that."
Oh, I wouldn't worry about that. American comics readers are very good at
ignoring Disney.
Quack,
Don Markstein
SRoweCanoe
Disney comics Digest V96 #140
Message 28 -
1996-07-04 at 04:26:25
In a message dated 96-07-03 00:12:24 EDT, Gary Brown writes:
<< Another interesting this is that I found some of the Gladstone books with
REAL covers on them in an Ocala book store. I've heard that these existed,
but never saw them. The paper still is rather cheap and doesn't "feel
right." >>
Gary, tell us more. Are the covers the same art as the Gladstone non-covers?
Is that the only difference?
Best Steven Rowe
<< Another interesting this is that I found some of the Gladstone books with
REAL covers on them in an Ocala book store. I've heard that these existed,
but never saw them. The paper still is rather cheap and doesn't "feel
right." >>
Gary, tell us more. Are the covers the same art as the Gladstone non-covers?
Is that the only difference?
Best Steven Rowe
Harald Havas
IOU
Message 29 -
1996-07-04 at 19:17:21
Hi, everybody...
Just a short post today:
I owe someone a list of Gottfredson's strips - with all the first
appearances mentioned - BUT I DONT KNOW WHOM I OWE IT TO!
I misplaced (even deleted?) the mail concerning this transaction. We
talked about faxing it, but it's too much, so would this person
(Henri? I think it was a Swedish member...) please step forward and
send me his address? I want to get this off my conscience...
Thanks
Harald
PS: in the WD's Lustiges Taschenbuch #222, the Olympia number,
appears a story called "Die Sage von Hundertturm" (I-2081) which is a
fantasy-adventure that not only has the Duck-bunch AND Micky and
Goofy as heroes, but also features lots of humans (no dog noses) - who
look a lot like the people in ASTERIX, especially the druid
(Panoramix in French, Miraculix in German). Now I know that Disney is
very hard in matters of copyright and I know that Mr. Uderzo, the
owner and artist of ASTERIX, is very hard in matters of copyright
(he once even sued a German comic-artist for the use of A HAND, that
looked like the hands Uderzo draws, AND WON!) I dont suppose there
will be a lawsuit - but I imagine this would be a real BIG one...
Like Pulitzer-Hearst over the rights on The Yellow Kid.
Just daydreaming, I guess... Harald
---Harald Havas (Email removed)
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End of Disney comics Digest V96 Issue #141
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Just a short post today:
I owe someone a list of Gottfredson's strips - with all the first
appearances mentioned - BUT I DONT KNOW WHOM I OWE IT TO!
I misplaced (even deleted?) the mail concerning this transaction. We
talked about faxing it, but it's too much, so would this person
(Henri? I think it was a Swedish member...) please step forward and
send me his address? I want to get this off my conscience...
Thanks
Harald
PS: in the WD's Lustiges Taschenbuch #222, the Olympia number,
appears a story called "Die Sage von Hundertturm" (I-2081) which is a
fantasy-adventure that not only has the Duck-bunch AND Micky and
Goofy as heroes, but also features lots of humans (no dog noses) - who
look a lot like the people in ASTERIX, especially the druid
(Panoramix in French, Miraculix in German). Now I know that Disney is
very hard in matters of copyright and I know that Mr. Uderzo, the
owner and artist of ASTERIX, is very hard in matters of copyright
(he once even sued a German comic-artist for the use of A HAND, that
looked like the hands Uderzo draws, AND WON!) I dont suppose there
will be a lawsuit - but I imagine this would be a real BIG one...
Like Pulitzer-Hearst over the rights on The Yellow Kid.
Just daydreaming, I guess... Harald
---Harald Havas (Email removed)
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End of Disney comics Digest V96 Issue #141
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TWAdair
Comic Con International (was San Diego Comic Con)
Message 30 -
1996-07-04 at 19:39:11
Let me be the first to say "HI!" to all the DCers here in San Diego!
It's 9:40 on the Fourth of July, the sun is shining, and I can't wait to have
lots of fun!
Torsten Adair (Email removed) San Diego, CA, USA
It's 9:40 on the Fourth of July, the sun is shining, and I can't wait to have
lots of fun!
Torsten Adair (Email removed) San Diego, CA, USA