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Eric Chun
> From: (Email removed)
> I was there. Sorry I didn't say hello -- I never got down to your end of the
> table. I talked mostly to Torsten, Dwight, and Shelly Block, who I mistakenly
> was calling Pat (sorry Shelly!) The breakfast meeting was a good idea for
> me, as I'm an early riser anyway, and nothing else is going on then. We
> should plan on doing it again next year.

TODD:

Sorry, I didn't get down to your end of the table, either. Sounds like every-
one liked the breakfast meeting. Hope to see you all again next year.

ALL:

Is anyone going to the Disneyana convention at Disney World in Orlando, Flori-
da? It's scheduled for Sept. 3-7. Does anyone know if we have to register
for the convention, and where it will be held in Disney World? (Disney World
is a big place, with three different theme parks and other attractions.)
The convention was mentioned in the latest issue of Collector's Showcase ma-
gazine (I think that's the name of the magazine).

Have a great day!

Eric :D

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Harry Fluks
A lot of people have been sending me updates and new stuff for our
Disney comics Database. I just want you to know that I am working on
incorporating all the data in a new version, but this will take a
little time...

Thank you all for the data! Especially the following people:

FRANK STAJANO and MARCO BARLOTTI for the scanned Fossati (Italian) index;
OLE REICHSTEIN for a completely renewed Danish index;
GILBERT ROSER for the continuous updates to the German index;
LARS OLSSEN for the big update of the Swedish index;
JONATHAN MARKOFF for the continuous updates of the USA index, and the
first installation of a Colombian(!) index;
HENRI SIVONEN for the AAP index, a first real part of the Finnish index;
HARALD HAVAS for the prints of the German Gottfredson index by Stefan
Schmidt (also listing USA, Dutch, French and Belgian reprints on
all Gottfredson stories!);
PER STARBACK for Joe Torcivia's info on Supergoof and Mickey issues;
HARRY FLUKS (who?) for updates of the Dutch index;
(...and several other people for minor contributions!)

As you can see, I can use any index for the Database. Indexes that are
published before are incorporated with permission of the author (Fossati,
Becattini), or only used to check other information that is already
in the database (like the Schmidt index above).

The Disney comics Database is a non-commercial project.
If you want to cooperate, please contact me!

--Harry.
((Email removed))
Eric Chun
> From: (Email removed) (Don Rosa)
> I have been contacted by the CARTOON ART MUSEUM of San Francisco who say
> that want to put on an exhibition of my art to be titled, as I might have
> guessed, "The Life and Times of $crooge McDuck". ... If anyone is in-
> terested, I'll post more specifics as the dates draw near.

DON:
I'm interested. The Cartoon Art Museum is about 50 miles from my house.
Hopefully, the reception won't be on a weekday anywhere near work hours.

> "The Life and Times of $crooge McDuck". I have arranged for the loan from
> Egmont of the original art pages

HARRY:
Sounds like Egmont doesn't return the original art to the artist.

> From: Jake Semmel <(Email removed)>
> I was wondering if anyone could tell me if a composition of any of Carl
> Barks' works were ever put together. I wanted to get some of the early
> Uncle $crooge comics and I was wondering if any books containing a group
> of them were made.

JAKE:
This would be the Carl Bark's Library and the Carl Barks Library in Color.
These series reprint all of the U$ stories. Also, the Celestial Arts
Uncle Scrooge book reprints a number of of U$ stories with really great
re-coloring.

G'bye folks!

Eric
Don Rosa
HARRY:
You seem to imply that Egmont returns original art. In all the world, only
the Dutch publisher returns the original art to Disney comics.

Which publishers send me copies of their issues when they reprint my
stories? Well, actually, only Gladstone. I get a comp subscription to the
Egmont weeklies from Denmark, Norway, and Sweden, and also the Greek KOMIX.
But they don't actually send me issues with just my stories -- it's
understandably simpler for them to just send me ALL the issues, and that's
great. I have friends in Germany and Holland and Italy who set aside issues
with my stories and send them to me from time to time. I think I've just
found someone to do the same in Iceland. But I still have no contact with
the the publishers or helpful friends as regards the British, French,
Spanish (?), South American, or any of the other Egmont editions.
Michael Naiman
TO ALL:

I'm in the process of developing an article on the scarcest Donald Duck
books to collect. If I could impose on the membership to respond ?!

Here is what I am looking for: rank order the books with #1 being the
scarcest all the way up to where ever you wish to stop (#10 would be OK!).

These would include comicbooks, giveaways, and Whitman-type books.

Remember, I'm NOT looking for most valuable...just the scarcest.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide!
RMorris306
Hi everyone!
It's been way too long since I've posted. What happened, believe it or
not, is that my dog just had eight puppies, and they're quite a handful and
will remain so until they're sold at about 8-10 weeks. Meaning my postings
will be few and far between...
Just to catch up quickly...I did get to San Diego, loved the breakfast,
and spent a lot of time catching up with things Disney (especially indebted
to Dwight Decker, David Gerstein, and Dana Gabbard). I'm sorry Don Rosa
couldn't make it, but was fascinated by his own European travels, and am
eagerly awaiting his next Disney work.
Amusing article on the Disney movies, though it does seem to me the
critics have a double standard...they get more upset the more "literary"
value something had. (I have yet to see anyone complain about Disney's
allowing all three of the pigs and the Big Bad Wolf to survive, contrary to
earlier versions of the folk tale.) Incidentally, Disney may not have adapted
THE JUNGLE as yet, but it's adapted another Upton Sinclair novel into a
movie. THE GNOME-MOBILE was an adaptation of Sinclair's one children's book,
with the almost-identical title (THE GNOMOBILE, if memory serves).
It was good to see the sequel to "Micro-Ducks from Outer Space" that was
mentioned so long ago. Just one point; it was said originally that Huey,
Dewey and Louie were left out of the story (since they'd have been teenagers
eight years after the saucer's first visit, though ironically that might have
tied right in with one of the new Disney TV shows), but no...there they were,
looking the same as always. Well, maybe they don't age very fast (if we go
along with Jack Chalker's theory that Poncey de Loon's pool affected all the
Ducks for an indefinite period), but it seemed as if the American editors
rewrote it to indicate that this was another saucer from the same planet, so
it might not have been eight years later after all...

Time to go...

Rich Morrissey

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ERIC LIM YONG SENG
At 03:30 AM 7/20/96 +0100, (Email removed) wrote:
>[To unsubscribe, send a message to <(Email removed)>
> with the subject "unsubscribe". To get help, send "help" instead.]
>
>Disney comics Digest Volume 96 : Issue 153
>
>Contents:
> Harry Fluks Database news
> Eric Chun Re: Disney comics Digest V96 #151
> Don Rosa Re: Disney comics Digest V96 #152
> Michael Naiman DD Survey
> (Email removed) Recent Disney comics Digests
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 00:24:00 +-200
>From: Harry Fluks <(Email removed)>
>To: "'dc'" <(Email removed)>
>Subject: Database news
>Message-Id: <(Email removed)>
>
>A lot of people have been sending me updates and new stuff for our
>Disney comics Database. I just want you to know that I am working on
>incorporating all the data in a new version, but this will take a
>little time...
>
>Thank you all for the data! Especially the following people:
>
>FRANK STAJANO and MARCO BARLOTTI for the scanned Fossati (Italian) index;
>OLE REICHSTEIN for a completely renewed Danish index;
>GILBERT ROSER for the continuous updates to the German index;
>LARS OLSSEN for the big update of the Swedish index;
>JONATHAN MARKOFF for the continuous updates of the USA index, and the
> first installation of a Colombian(!) index;
>HENRI SIVONEN for the AAP index, a first real part of the Finnish index;
>HARALD HAVAS for the prints of the German Gottfredson index by Stefan
> Schmidt (also listing USA, Dutch, French and Belgian reprints on
> all Gottfredson stories!);
>PER STARBACK for Joe Torcivia's info on Supergoof and Mickey issues;
>HARRY FLUKS (who?) for updates of the Dutch index;
>(...and several other people for minor contributions!)
>
>As you can see, I can use any index for the Database. Indexes that are
>published before are incorporated with permission of the author (Fossati,
>Becattini), or only used to check other information that is already
>in the database (like the Schmidt index above).
>
>The Disney comics Database is a non-commercial project.
>If you want to cooperate, please contact me!
>
>--Harry.
>((Email removed))
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 18 Jul 96 18:41:17 PDT
>From: (Email removed) (Eric Chun)
>To: (Email removed)
>Cc: (Email removed)
>Subject: Re: Disney comics Digest V96 #151
>Message-Id: <(Email removed)>
>
>> From: (Email removed) (Don Rosa)
>> I have been contacted by the CARTOON ART MUSEUM of San Francisco who say
>> that want to put on an exhibition of my art to be titled, as I might have
>> guessed, "The Life and Times of $crooge McDuck". ... If anyone is in-
>> terested, I'll post more specifics as the dates draw near.
>
>DON:
>I'm interested. The Cartoon Art Museum is about 50 miles from my house.
>Hopefully, the reception won't be on a weekday anywhere near work hours.
>
>> "The Life and Times of $crooge McDuck". I have arranged for the loan from
>> Egmont of the original art pages
>
>HARRY:
>Sounds like Egmont doesn't return the original art to the artist.
>
>> From: Jake Semmel <(Email removed)>
>> I was wondering if anyone could tell me if a composition of any of Carl
>> Barks' works were ever put together. I wanted to get some of the early
>> Uncle $crooge comics and I was wondering if any books containing a group
>> of them were made.
>
>JAKE:
>This would be the Carl Bark's Library and the Carl Barks Library in Color.
>These series reprint all of the U$ stories. Also, the Celestial Arts
>Uncle Scrooge book reprints a number of of U$ stories with really great
>re-coloring.
>
>G'bye folks!
>
>Eric
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 19 Jul 96 02:13 EDT
>From: (Email removed) (Don Rosa)
>To: (Email removed)
>Subject: Re: Disney comics Digest V96 #152
>Message-Id: <(Email removed)>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>HARRY:
>You seem to imply that Egmont returns original art. In all the world, only
>the Dutch publisher returns the original art to Disney comics.
>
>Which publishers send me copies of their issues when they reprint my
>stories? Well, actually, only Gladstone. I get a comp subscription to the
>Egmont weeklies from Denmark, Norway, and Sweden, and also the Greek KOMIX.
>But they don't actually send me issues with just my stories -- it's
>understandably simpler for them to just send me ALL the issues, and that's
>great. I have friends in Germany and Holland and Italy who set aside issues
>with my stories and send them to me from time to time. I think I've just
>found someone to do the same in Iceland. But I still have no contact with
>the the publishers or helpful friends as regards the British, French,
>Spanish (?), South American, or any of the other Egmont editions.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:17:54 -0700
>From: (Email removed) (Michael Naiman)
>To: (Email removed)
>Subject: DD Survey
>Message-Id: <v01530500ae15585267d2@[204.216.57.92]>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>TO ALL:
>
>I'm in the process of developing an article on the scarcest Donald Duck
>books to collect. If I could impose on the membership to respond ?!
>
>Here is what I am looking for: rank order the books with #1 being the
>scarcest all the way up to where ever you wish to stop (#10 would be OK!).
>
>These would include comicbooks, giveaways, and Whitman-type books.
>
>Remember, I'm NOT looking for most valuable...just the scarcest.
>
>Thanks in advance for any help you can provide!
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 21:33:25 -0400
>From: (Email removed)
>To: (Email removed)
>Subject: Recent Disney comics Digests
>Message-Id: <(Email removed)>
>
>Hi everyone!
> It's been way too long since I've posted. What happened, believe it or
>not, is that my dog just had eight puppies, and they're quite a handful and
>will remain so until they're sold at about 8-10 weeks. Meaning my postings
>will be few and far between...
> Just to catch up quickly...I did get to San Diego, loved the breakfast,
>and spent a lot of time catching up with things Disney (especially indebted
>to Dwight Decker, David Gerstein, and Dana Gabbard). I'm sorry Don Rosa
>couldn't make it, but was fascinated by his own European travels, and am
>eagerly awaiting his next Disney work.
> Amusing article on the Disney movies, though it does seem to me the
>critics have a double standard...they get more upset the more "literary"
>value something had. (I have yet to see anyone complain about Disney's
>allowing all three of the pigs and the Big Bad Wolf to survive, contrary to
>earlier versions of the folk tale.) Incidentally, Disney may not have adapted
>THE JUNGLE as yet, but it's adapted another Upton Sinclair novel into a
>movie. THE GNOME-MOBILE was an adaptation of Sinclair's one children's book,
>with the almost-identical title (THE GNOMOBILE, if memory serves).
> It was good to see the sequel to "Micro-Ducks from Outer Space" that was
>mentioned so long ago. Just one point; it was said originally that Huey,
>Dewey and Louie were left out of the story (since they'd have been teenagers
>eight years after the saucer's first visit, though ironically that might have
>tied right in with one of the new Disney TV shows), but no...there they were,
>looking the same as always. Well, maybe they don't age very fast (if we go
>along with Jack Chalker's theory that Poncey de Loon's pool affected all the
>Ducks for an indefinite period), but it seemed as if the American editors
>rewrote it to indicate that this was another saucer from the same planet, so
>it might not have been eight years later after all...
>
>Time to go...
>
>Rich Morrissey
>
>--------------------------------
>End of Disney comics Digest V96 Issue #153
>******************************************
>To: Don Rosa,

Congratulations. This is really good news for you! Feeling excited. Too bad,
I live in Singapore and will not be able to see. But you can describe to me
verbally, if you can (Ha! Just joking). I'mm rrrreeally interested.

Time to go
ERIC LIM YONG SENG
(Email removed)
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DCerreta
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Don Rosa
The latest Digest is still interesting, but definitely shorter than those of
Spring, so there's nothing I need to comment on. It's always nice to think
people are spending less time sitting in front of 'puters and more time
enjoying the outdoors. Anyway, that's what I'm gonna do for the next ten
days, until August 1 -- not going on yet another Euro tour, but going on a
vacation *I'm* actually arranging and paying for for a change, to
Yellowstone park to backpack into the high country... and spend several
Nights on Bear Mountain.

See you folks on August 1.
Harry Fluks
DON:
> You seem to imply that Egmont returns original art.

You once said you didn't want to work for Disney Comics shortly
after they took over from Gladstone, because Disney Comics wouldn't
return your original art. Since you're working for Egmont now, I just
assumed they do (like GP does).
So there are only two reasons you're working for Egmont then?
(1. They pay better than Gladstone; 2. Byron Erickson is your editor)

--Harry.

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SRoweCanoe
Michael Naiman wanted to know the rarest Disney Comics. An easy question:
it's the Whitman's closest to the end. I'm still looking for many (I need
two Scrooges from that period and one or two WDC&S).
Steven Rowe
Elmo
Pursuant to an argument ongoing on Usenet's rec.arts.comics.misc newsgroup
about the Duck-sweeping results of the CBG fan awards, I have a question.
Who is the publisher of Italian Disney comics? Is that publisher owned
by Disney?

Thank you.

greg
--
"Would someone please explain to me why the triumph of Evil is always
accompanied by ugly, skimpy and non-functional clothing, an exponential
increase in power, and a total failure of intellect?"--Dani Zweig

elmo ((Email removed),(Email removed))
http://www.bonner.rice.edu/morrow
Deckerd
For the last couple of years, I've been working on a prose
fantasy story involving the "real" King Arthur (i.e.,. the
shaggy early 6th Century Celtic warleader the later legends
were attached to). One reason why it's taken so long to
write the thing is the amount of research it required.

Just recently, I've been reading in Anders And (the weekly
Danish Donald Duck comic book) Don Rosa's take on the Arthurian
legend, a story in which the Ducks go back in time and meet
the historical Arthur. Boy, am I impressed! Don really did his
research! Since I've done much the same research myself, I can
see where he's been and trace some of his reasoning, and I can
see where he went a lot further than I did.

Unaware that they've been sent back in time, the Ducks and Gyro
leave Stonehenge in a truck with the idea of driving to the town
of Amesbury, only they end up at a fortified hill called Cadbury
Castle. Judging from my 1:400,000-scale map of Britain's West
Country, it would be possible to make that mistake today by
merely going west on a nearby highway instead of east. And in
Arthur's time, assuming Cadbury Castle was his "Camelot," any
road that existed probably would go straight to such an important
place.

The real knockout is Don's drawing of "Camelot." I have a book
on archaeological excavations at Cadbury Castle, with numerous
photographs of the place as it looks now. "Castle" implies to
us some sort of structure, like a fortress, but apparently it
can also apply to earthworks. Anyway, Cadbury Castle is a steep,
somewhat isolated hill that has been occupied and used as a
fortress by one party or another since the Iron Age. Nothing is
left standing on it now, and the only suggestion of former human
habitation are some terraces cut into the hillside along one face.
Don's contribution was a brilliant reconstruction of what the
hill looked like when there was a fortified settlement on it,
which at least my reference book doesn't provide. My only quibble
might be the scene in which the Ducks drive up to the fortress
gate -- that hill is _very_ steep, probably one reason why it's
been used as a fortress for millenia.

I was a bit relieved to see that my story is enough different
from Don's (it takes place in 1915 and involves resurrecting
King Arthur) that no one will think plagiarism if mine ever
appears anywhere. Besides, anybody dealing with the historical
Arthur is probably going to consult the same references and come
to pretty much the same conclusions, of course. Judging from the
discussion in the 1911 edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica,
the facts of the matter have been fairly well known for a long
time. In any event, I just wanted to tip my propellor beanie to
Don in tribute to a job well done. I hope Gladstone gets around
reprinting his story here before long.

--Dwight Decker
Harry Fluks
Didier Ghez from France and I have been corresponding by
physical mail for a while, and Didier gave permission to
put some of our discussions on the List. My questions are
marked with H>, the rest is Didier's text, typing errors
are probably mine.
--Harry.

1. French producktion

H> When did France start producing its own stories?

Well... let me split hairs a little here. The first *art* with Disney
characters produced for a magazine written in French was done in 1950
by Tenas (October 1950) who was a Belgian artist, actually called Louis
Saintels. This art was the *cover* of the first issue of the Belgian
Mickey Magazine.
The first story drawn with Disney characters specially for a French
magazine was "Le Tour de France de Mickey" that started with the
first issue of the post-war Journal de Mickey, the 1st of June 1952.
This story was again drawn by Tenas and scripted by Pierre Fallot.
It was published 1 page at a time (each week) for 14 weeks.
Finally, the first series written and drawn by Frenchmen was "Mickey
A Travers Les Siecles" for Le Journal de Mickey. It lasted for 1338
pages (!!), 171 episodes (+1 intro and 1 conclusion) and started
with no. 15 of Le Journal de Mickey in 1952 (7th of September).
The first 9 pages were drawn by Tenas. All of the others by the great
Pierre Nicolas who actually created the "Disney comic books studio"
(unofficial title, of course) in 1952.
Till 1974 the story was scripted by Pierre Fallot. Then from 74 to 78
it was scripted by Le Corfec, Benzoni and Claude Yelnick. It is
considered by many French Disney comic books enthusiasts as
The French cult series. It was full (really FULL) of puns impossible
to translate. A delight.

2. French story codes

H> Why is a French story code (like FJM 75123-C) always followed by
H> a letter?

Here is the answer of "Copywright", the newsletter of DCP Europe (No. 5,
fall 1992):
French codes have 5 parts: title of mag / year / series of comics / story
number / type of story.
E.g.: / F / - / 92 / 0 / 02 / C /

Journal de Mickey:
1. Magazine: F-JM
2. Year
3. Series: 0 = Mickey Enigme
2 = Genius of several pages
3 = Genius gags
4 = Disney Babies
4. Number
5. Type: D = "Divertissement" (Entertainment) or activity
C = Complete Story
E = Episode of a Story
G = A gag

The letters work the same for the other titles.

3. Ulrich Schro"der on "King Scrooge the First"

H> You say you know Ulrich Schro"der. Maybe you can ask him
H> what *really* happened with his drawings of "King $crooge the
H> First". He once redrew this story for Gladstone (it was a
H> Barks-script previously drawn by Tony Strobl in U$ 71). When
H> Disney asked him about the story, he told them he demolished
H> the art because he didn't like it enough. That's simply
H> unbelievable. 1/2 page *was* printed in the Carl Barks Library,
H> and it looked very good!

I got Schro"der on the phone today and here is his answer:
"It was one of my first comics [Ulrich is a *very* good artist but
he had drawn mainly illustrations for consumer products and headed
their quality departments till that time] and I know now that I was
not at all ready to undertake that project at the time. It was
much too difficult, as Barks' sketches no longer existed (they have
been lost or destroyed) so I would have had to recreate everything
only from the script and Strobl's story. A very difficult project.
I only drew a few pages of the project (including the one which is
reproduced in The Carl Barks Library) but then I stopped in the
middle of it. I still have the original art, although I do not know where
I put it. I was payed for the pages I drew, by the way, but never
cashed the check. (I was too disgusted at my failure). I think
that the art of those pages is *not* good. But if you say that some
people liked it, I may reconsider the whole project now.
I have more experience and I might try it again... if Daan Jippes
has not already decided to tackle that task. We will see."
So now you have it, the complete story, direct from the source.

--(end)--
Harry Fluks
(The following message is from Didier Ghez, Paris, France.
I'll forward any replies to him by physical mail.
--Harry.)

Hi!
Arthur: Thank you for your message which is the
first I receive on this mailing list. I really
hope I will be able to send all of you who are
interested by it precise information about Disney comics
in France. As you may know, I am still only
a virtual member so my answers may seem slow.
I hope you will forgive me that.
As for your very nice comments about Picsou
Magazine, I will transmit them directly tomorrow
to a very good friend... Pascal Pierrey, the
editor-in-chief of Picsou who will obviously be
very pleased by them. Pascal, apart from being a very
good editor-in-chief is also absolutely passionated
by all types of great comic books artists (from Uderzo
to Will Eisner, for example) but most of all by the
Duck universe and... by Barks and Rosa in priority
(He made sure every single Barks and Rosa stories
had been printed in Picsou Magazine). He is also
writing most of the text articles about Barks and Don.
He has given a more mature style to Picsou (which makes
it the most successful Disney publication in France today)
but he is not the Only Master on Board and can not
avoid to be sometimes TOO trendy (that seldom happens
though). The other persons helping him write the
small "fan articles" about Carl and Don are
Sebastien Duraud (Head of Disneyland Paris internal
communication and Mr. Disney Encyclopedia Vol. 1) and
me (Mr. Disney Encyclopedia Vol. 2... not specialized in comics
though). The other 3 biggest Disney comics fans in France
I can think of are: Michel Mandry (former
editor of Le Journal de Mickey and author of a history
of Le Journal de Mickey), the German artist Ulrich
Schro"der and the marvelous French artist Claude
Marin.
We are all currently unwired, so please do not
hesitate to send me your questions for them, I would
transmit them A.S.A.P.
Duck Well!

Didier
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