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Wilmer Rivers wrote:

> I just wanted to let everyone know that a splendid gathering of
> disney-comics List members was held at the San Diego ComicCon,
> as Torsten had arranged. It was a pleasure to meet so many readers
> of disney comics in person! Special thanks indeed go out to Eric
> Chun, who provided everyone with "disney-comics mailing list" lapel
> buttons! I wore mine proudly throughout the rest of the show.
> Thanks also to busy pros like Todd Klein for fitting our breakfast
> meeting into their schedule. It was a surprise to have Dana Gabbard
> drop by, too. I'm sorry Carey Furlong and possibly others were unable
> to find our breakfast group in the coffee shop (where we pulled four
> tables together, banquet style). I hope we can try again next year,
> this time with our fearless leader Per in attendance!

Even though Merry and I couldn't find the group and we missed the
breakfast, we were still able to meet Wilmer. In fact, we stumbled
into him in the comic book bins.

All through the convention we spent a great deal of time going through
the comic book bins, searching for old Uncle Scrooge and Donald Duck
issues (I finally got a copy of DD 41!!). Anyway, late in the
afternoon on Friday I started going through this one Duck comic bin at
a booth near the edge of the convention. Merry usually helps me to
check out piles of old issue comic books by calling out numbers from
our "get list," and by making checks in a copy of the Disney Comics
Database that we carry. But this time she didn't, and instead she
held back a little and observed the gentleman I was vying with in the
Duck bin. After a few minutes, I decided there probably wasn't much
in the bin and moved off. Merry came up to me and asked me if I knew
anyone named "Wilmer Rivers." I said, "sure, Disney Comics Mailing
List. How do you know him?" She said, "that was him you were elbowing
back there at the booth."

Well, I went back and introduced myself to Wilmer, and we had a nice
couple of minutes chat time. I told him we were unable to find the
group at the breakfast, but not for a lack of trying.

Later, I asked Merry what made her check Wilmer's name tag. She said
she became curious about him when she noticed he acted just like I
did: He carried a computer-printed list of Duck titles, he was
hanging around the Duck sections, and he had a Donald Duck pin!

I asked her if that was what I looked like, and she said, "are you
kidding?"

In America, folks who hang around the Duck bins are part of a vanishing
species.

Anyway, it was good to meet you, Wilmer. The 96 San Diego Comicon was
a great experience! Next year I hope to see all of you. (I also hope
there is a Duck panel next year, like last year's "What's All the
Quacking About?")

Bye!
-
"This fabulous twenty-four carat moon, for
a handful of dirt!... Man! That's the biggest
bargain I ever heard of in all history!"
--------------- Scrooge McDuck (US 24) ------

---- Carey ----
Carey Furlong, Huntington Beach, CA; (Email removed)
Opinions expressed are mine and not those of EDS

Harald wrote:
>: in the WD's Lustiges Taschenbuch #222, the Olympia number,
>appears a story called "Die Sage von Hundertturm" (I-2081) which is a
>fantasy-adventure that not only has the Duck-bunch AND Micky and
>Goofy as heroes, but also features lots of humans (no dog noses) - who
>look a lot like the people in ASTERIX, especially the druid
>(Panoramix in French, Miraculix in German).

I would just like to comment that these fantasy sagas appear quite regularly
in Italy; the master artist for them is presumably Massimo De Vita.
Human-like characters do appear now and then in these stories, but I must
admit that in this case there is a character which is very very
Panoramix-like. The story is written by Giorgio Pezzin and drawn by Franco
Valussi.
"Die sage von Hundertturm" is originally titled "Paperino e il signore del
padello", which means "DD and the Lord of the Pan" (a cooking pan, that is);
but notice that "padello" rhymes with "anello", so the title clearly
recalls "The lord of the RING".

Now to Paperetta Ye'-Ye'.
I've seen the good job Per has done on the WWW. Now we wait for Alipio to
give us at least her Brazilian name...
Is she really introduced as GG's granddaughter? I re-read the story, becaus
it is indeed pecular that (before Don's $crooge saga!) Scarpa introduced a
right-line relationship (grandmother-granddaughter) instead of the usual
(aunt-niece) or (greataunt-greatniece). My doubts where aggravated by the
very annoying fact that in Italian we use THE SAME WORD ("nipote") for a
niece and for a granddaughter (and for a nephew and for a grandson as well,
for that). So if Glittering Goldie called Paperetta "nipote" why should I
have the idea that she was a GRANDDAUGHTER rather than a NIECE?
So I re-read the story. End of the suspense: she is GG's granddaughter
because she calls her "GRANDMATHER"! (We DO have different words for "aunt"
and "grandmather", at least!).
That of course opens various problems. Was Goldie ever married? The sort of
life she led in her youth leaves every possibility open. And what about
Paperetta's parents? Why should her only relative be Goldie?
Apart from these pseudo-Donaldist questions, I suggest that Scarpa meant to
introduce a new Duck character somehow related to the old ones but not a
relative of the Duck family, so that maybe HDL might fall in love with
her... (this never happened though; then Paperetta moved to Rio, I ignore
when. I think she never appeared in Italian stories in the last 20 years).

(X-rated suggestion: what if $crooge got GG pregnant in those days she was
working for him to repay him of the stolen money... they presumably lived
together in a small hut, didn't they? She was young and beautiful, and
$crooge was young and lonesome, and....)

(That's too much, isn't it?) Bye
Marco

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End of Disney comics Digest V96 Issue #145
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It was great seeing some of you at this year's breakfast at the Marriot,
next to the San Diego Comic Con! I was impressed (as always) at how
much everyone else knows (and how little I know) about Disney comics.
Glad some of you like the mailing list buttons. Sorry they ran out and
not everyone got one. I'll try to make some more next year with a diff-
erent design.

Thanks for showing everyone the Mickey Mouse lithos, Wilmer. That was
kind of brave of you to bring it and display it around extremely hazard-
ous items like coffee and maple syrup. Also, thanks for displaying your
translations and story script, David. That was a real eye opener. Never
seen a story script before. Pat, thanks for the three Huey sketchs. It
was neat seeing what everyone looks like, too. We should take a group
photo next time.

Another highlight of the comic con for me was seeing the Carl Barks
Studio's booth, which was full of neat stuff (original art and/or signed
items by Carl Barks, William Van Horn, Vicar, and Dan Jippes). Went to
this booth every day. Picked up the latest video, which has a 1.5 hour
interview with Carl. The first hour takes place in Carl's living room
and the last half hour takes place at his drawing table. (He doesn't
draw or paint, though.) Kathy Morby was very friendly and helpful.

Most of my time was spent browsing through the booths with original art
(sketches and comic book pages). About three booths had Carl Bark's
art in some form for sale. None of the booths had Don Rosa art, unfor-
tunately. Pat Block had some of the pages that he drew and inked for
sale at his table in Artist's Alley.

In one booth, there was a sculpture of a stack of comics, with Four
Color #386 (U$ #1) on the top. I spoke with the person in that booth.
It was so lifelike that a lot of people (including me) thought that it
was a real comic book. He was having trouble selling it because people
didn't know that it was a sculpture.

'Til next time,

Eric =)

I'm having serious keyboard and computer problems! Can't type good.
Everything is haywire. I can receive mail bt I can't answer yet. Be back as
soon as Dan Shane visits to fix me... then I'll tell anyone interested abot
my trips to Norway and Denmark. You can't imagine how long it took to get
the compter to type this little bit! Whew! I think I have a virus!

> Ironically, even though CB's tree (and DR's) show her as Donald's
> granmother and Scrooge's sister's husband's mother
>
I've always wondered about that. Since Scrooge is only, what, about
six years older than Hortense, this suggests that Grandma is maybe 15
years older than Scrooge. She surely doesn't act it! I suppose that
good clean living down on the farm keeps her in good health and lively!
(Of course, it doesn't seem to work very well for Gus Goose, so scratch
that theory. Maybe it's those Coot genes, instead.)

Wilmer Rivers

MARCO:
>>A text page in the early Gladstone issue MICKEY AND DONALD 6 has an article
>>about Romano Scarpa which mentions his creations including "Dickie Duck,
>>Glittering Goldie's teenage niece."
>
>I suppose that's that, since Paperetta IS a teen-ager. But definitely she
>ISN'T GG's niece, but rather her grandaughter, as I explained in last Digest
>(not having read, of course, your contibution).
>I guess that was a sort of censorship OR ELSE a quick translation of that
>damned word "NIPOTE" without reading the whole story.
>Anyway, among Scarpa's creations are NO OTHER relatives of GG.
> Marco
>

Dickie Duck is mentioned yet again in a text page (by Alberto Beccatini and
Leonardo Gori) in Uncle Scrooge Adventures 29 as "a teenage duck girl who
used to sing and now works as a reporter."

PER:

I noticed you changed the name on the Ye-Ye char page to Dickie--perhaps it
would be better to leave it in Italian, since that name is probably better
known.

Ah, why do we buy books if we don't read them when needed?
I just found out in the "Yellow Book" on Italian Disney authors (by Boschi,
Gori and Sani) the following informations about Paperetta Ye'-Ye'.
English name: Dickie Duck.
Brazilian name: Pata Lee.
I think this information should be regarded official enough to be put in the
database, Per.
It seems that Paperetta was used in the late 60's by Scarpa in a few S-coded
stories, then he abandoned her. Since 1984 Paperetta appears in Brazilian
stories, as a member of a group of "Duckynagers" (duck-teen-agers) called
(in Portoguese?) "Adolescentes"; among them is Foliao (there should be a ~
over the letter "a"), the Aracuan bird co-starring in "The three
caballeros". Is that right, Alipio? These are all strictly B-coded stories.
I still question the surname "Duck", which erroneously suggests she is a
relative to Donald. However, it could be argued that "Duck" in Duckburg is
as common a surname as is Smith in Smithburg or Brown in Brownburg...
Marco

JONATHAN:
> Rosa reports in Uncle Scrooge 294 that for many
>years, European Disney comics had always told of her being Scrooge's sister
>and Donald's mother!

I've seen this remark also on Dan Shane's pages about Don's Lo$, and it is
WRONG.
Yes, for many years in Italy (and presumably in Europe) it was thought that
Granma Duck was $crooge's sister; but NEVER did this imply that she was
Donald's mother. Is you uncle's sister always your mother? Why, your uncle
might have LOTS of brothers and sisters!
What is true is that we (in Italy) have always thought of the duck family as
an open network of uncle-nephew (or aunt-niece) relationship. Open, because
every one felt free to add uncles or nephews; I will mention here only
Gideon McDuck, $crooge's brother introduced by Scarpa in 1956 as the editor
of Duckburg's main newspaper; and lots of great-great-great-...-great-uncles
of Goofy's. And uncle-nephew, because nobody knew about Bark's secret family
tree and I suppose everyone accepted as typical of the American (=USA) mind
a sort of calvinistic sexuophoby by which no straight-line relationship
could appear in children's comics because having a father and a mother means
having two people that go to bed together, auuughhhh!
That's why I said in an earlier message that I found it unusual for Scarpa
to introduce Paperetta (er.. Dickie) as GG's granddaughter! And still a link
was missing, the more "carnal" one.
Back to Granma Duck, I guess we Italians all thought she was $crooge's
sister and thus Donald's AUNT; and moreover, why call her GRANMA? Well, of
course, because she was HDL's mother's (or father's) mother! So she was
HDL's real grandmother, and everyone called her "granma" as it happens in
families where all names are cut on the youngest's situation.

Italians on the list, is this true in your opinion? Support me, or
contradict me!

Marco

Post Scriptum.
By the way, you US people, do you admit that by and large you are very
sexuophobic? I remember when Gary Hart had to abandon running for president
because someone discovered a love affair of his. We Italians were shocked!
Well, Italians wouldn't abandon running for political power even when in
jail, so that's not the whole story. But you even have (in some states) laws
that FORBID certain sexual acts BETWEEN CONSENTING ADULTS and in private!
This could never be thought of in Italy. Off topic, all right, so I stop here.