DAVID GERSTEIN:
> (True, "Colossus of the Nile" was censored,
> but that was specifically because Donald *fires* the gun, and we're then
> led to think he shot it at the Beagles themselves.)
Ack! You mean that after all these years of waiting to read this story, we
only got to read a censored version? Can you tell us what was changed? Even
in the censored version, had not Donald been thinking about shooting only to
perforate the balloons, one could well think that he was shooting at the
Beagle Boys.
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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Kriton Kyrimis
Disney comics Digest V97 #27
Message 1 -
1997-02-01 at 14:14:42
Pedersen, Bent
Digest #27
Message 2 -
1997-02-01 at 19:50:33
Hello all,
HARRY (& JAN):
>When my hard disk crashed, I lost the mail where your website address is=
in.
Sorry, Harry, but I missed your original message. Thanks to Jan for sorting
is out for me.
JAN (& KRISTIAN):
>Come now, no need to be modest. You are one of the parties
>responsible for the brilliant "Mesterdatalogen" and "Den
>Elektriske And" stories. Finally, a chance to praise you
>in public. :)
"Someone" should do something do make these two stories available to a
broader audience. For instance, I've read only one of the stories - and I
loved it. ;)
I would imagine other list members with knowledge of Danish would be
interested too.
/Bent Pedersen
-- It's a Bentriloquist thing...
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #28
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HARRY (& JAN):
>When my hard disk crashed, I lost the mail where your website address is=
in.
Sorry, Harry, but I missed your original message. Thanks to Jan for sorting
is out for me.
JAN (& KRISTIAN):
>Come now, no need to be modest. You are one of the parties
>responsible for the brilliant "Mesterdatalogen" and "Den
>Elektriske And" stories. Finally, a chance to praise you
>in public. :)
"Someone" should do something do make these two stories available to a
broader audience. For instance, I've read only one of the stories - and I
loved it. ;)
I would imagine other list members with knowledge of Danish would be
interested too.
/Bent Pedersen
-- It's a Bentriloquist thing...
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #28
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Marco Barlotti
Anders And... mesterdatalogen
Message 3 -
1997-02-03 at 11:43:09
BENT:
>
>>Come now, no need to be modest. You are one of the parties
>>responsible for the brilliant "Mesterdatalogen" and "Den
>>Elektriske And" stories. Finally, a chance to praise you
>>in public. :)
>
>"Someone" should do something do make these two stories available to a
>broader audience. For instance, I've read only one of the stories - and I
>loved it. ;)
>
The two stories are available to anyone who has WWW access, at the address
<http://www.daimi.aau.dk/~leeman/anders.html>
which address of course Bent had already given on this list.
>I would imagine other list members with knowledge of Danish would be
>interested too.
And what about the vast majority of the others? I hate to ask this, because
I know how long it takes to make a translation (and how difficult too, Lidia
forgive me!), but how lovely would it be if our Danish-speaking members
could manage to give us a translation!
I, in particular, am attracted by the "mesterdatalogen" story, where many
details look very appealing to a mathematician...; but also, in as much as I
managed to understand, the "structure" of the story reminds me of many great
Barksian 10-pagers!
Well, maybe someone might start by translating the first page... then
someone could go on with the second one... then... hey, do we have TEN
Danish-speaking members here?
Marco
>
>>Come now, no need to be modest. You are one of the parties
>>responsible for the brilliant "Mesterdatalogen" and "Den
>>Elektriske And" stories. Finally, a chance to praise you
>>in public. :)
>
>"Someone" should do something do make these two stories available to a
>broader audience. For instance, I've read only one of the stories - and I
>loved it. ;)
>
The two stories are available to anyone who has WWW access, at the address
<http://www.daimi.aau.dk/~leeman/anders.html>
which address of course Bent had already given on this list.
>I would imagine other list members with knowledge of Danish would be
>interested too.
And what about the vast majority of the others? I hate to ask this, because
I know how long it takes to make a translation (and how difficult too, Lidia
forgive me!), but how lovely would it be if our Danish-speaking members
could manage to give us a translation!
I, in particular, am attracted by the "mesterdatalogen" story, where many
details look very appealing to a mathematician...; but also, in as much as I
managed to understand, the "structure" of the story reminds me of many great
Barksian 10-pagers!
Well, maybe someone might start by translating the first page... then
someone could go on with the second one... then... hey, do we have TEN
Danish-speaking members here?
Marco
David Gerstein
Disney comics Digest V97 #28
Message 4 -
1997-02-03 at 20:43:17
KRITON:
[Re:"Colossus of the Nile"]
>Ack! You mean that after all these years of waiting to read this story, we
>only got to read a censored version? Can you tell us what was changed?
Let's see here. Part 2 of "Colossus," page 18 is where the changes
were made. My original Americanization read this way:
Panel 4: (Beagle dialogue as published)
Donald: "The Beagle Boys were our TECHNICIANS! I see it all
now! SNORT! SNORT!"
Panel 5: Donald: "So they're going up? This pistol they dropped
oughtta blow some HOLES in that plan!"
The art was changed to make the pistol into a flare gun, but on the last
page of the story, panel 3, you can see Donald holding the pistol as it
originally looked. Nothing was deemed wrong with Donald merely holding a
gun to protect himself against the villains from a distance, although now
it's not exactly clear where he _got_ it.
There was actually one other alteration in the story, which you're
sure to see if you compare your Greek edition to mine. In Part 1, a
now-deleted page (originally page 3) showed the ministers forgetting the
crisis at hand, splashing in their model-Nile like children, then
pretending to be boats and crocodiles. I did Americanize it. But it still
felt like the story started great and stopped dead in its tracks, our
sympathy for the ministers' dire situation undermined. All parties
involved (on both sides of the Atlantic) agreed that the story could be
streamlined by removing the page, so after a lot of serious consideration,
we took it out. I hope others agree that this was an acceptable move.
A lot of Scarpa stories hover at around 30-35 pages, a bit too long
for American single issues, but too short for serialization. Would people
vehemently object if these were trimmed? I have a hunch I myself would,
but now that I'm thinking about other Scarpa stories to Americanize
sometime soon, I wonder what the general response would be.
Confused,
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
[Re:"Colossus of the Nile"]
>Ack! You mean that after all these years of waiting to read this story, we
>only got to read a censored version? Can you tell us what was changed?
Let's see here. Part 2 of "Colossus," page 18 is where the changes
were made. My original Americanization read this way:
Panel 4: (Beagle dialogue as published)
Donald: "The Beagle Boys were our TECHNICIANS! I see it all
now! SNORT! SNORT!"
Panel 5: Donald: "So they're going up? This pistol they dropped
oughtta blow some HOLES in that plan!"
The art was changed to make the pistol into a flare gun, but on the last
page of the story, panel 3, you can see Donald holding the pistol as it
originally looked. Nothing was deemed wrong with Donald merely holding a
gun to protect himself against the villains from a distance, although now
it's not exactly clear where he _got_ it.
There was actually one other alteration in the story, which you're
sure to see if you compare your Greek edition to mine. In Part 1, a
now-deleted page (originally page 3) showed the ministers forgetting the
crisis at hand, splashing in their model-Nile like children, then
pretending to be boats and crocodiles. I did Americanize it. But it still
felt like the story started great and stopped dead in its tracks, our
sympathy for the ministers' dire situation undermined. All parties
involved (on both sides of the Atlantic) agreed that the story could be
streamlined by removing the page, so after a lot of serious consideration,
we took it out. I hope others agree that this was an acceptable move.
A lot of Scarpa stories hover at around 30-35 pages, a bit too long
for American single issues, but too short for serialization. Would people
vehemently object if these were trimmed? I have a hunch I myself would,
but now that I'm thinking about other Scarpa stories to Americanize
sometime soon, I wonder what the general response would be.
Confused,
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
David Gerstein
"Colossus" trimming addendum
Message 5 -
1997-02-03 at 20:53:06
In the preceding letter, I discussed how editorial considerations
had led "Colossus of the Nile" Part 1 to have a page removed. Immediately
afterward, I asked whether people objected to unrelated Scarpa stories
being run in shortened versions over here, for reasons of length.
Only now do I realize the implications of that juxtaposition.
Please rest assured that "Colossus"' editing was *not* done for purposes of
length, nor did I mean to imply that. Please imagine a big SPACE between
my discussion of "Colossus" and my question about trimming other stories,
which wasn't really meant to be related.
Yours wearily,
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
had led "Colossus of the Nile" Part 1 to have a page removed. Immediately
afterward, I asked whether people objected to unrelated Scarpa stories
being run in shortened versions over here, for reasons of length.
Only now do I realize the implications of that juxtaposition.
Please rest assured that "Colossus"' editing was *not* done for purposes of
length, nor did I mean to imply that. Please imagine a big SPACE between
my discussion of "Colossus" and my question about trimming other stories,
which wasn't really meant to be related.
Yours wearily,
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
Gary Leach
Disney comics Digest V97 #27
Message 6 -
1997-02-04 at 00:42:09
DON:
>But to assume that I would have quit Gladstone for any reason than
>that I was forced by circumstances seems to sell my devotion to Gladstone
>much too short. (pout).
Was that what you thought I meant? Nope, nope, nope, nope!
What I was saying was that *Disney Comics*, on hindsight, did not really
have much of a role in establishing the mechanics of today's Gladstone/Rosa
working relationship. I believe you going to work primarily for Egmont was
inevitable because sooner or later you, Gladstone, and Egmont (with Byron
in place) would have realized, once all the facts were weighed, that it was
the best thing for everyone concerned. Unfortunately, Disney, with its
controversial art-return policy and establishment of Disney Comics, wound
up making a pig's breakfast of what could have been a reasonably smooth,
agreeable transition.
I mentioned your Oberon work as foreshadowing the force of circumstances,
not your intentions. And I don't think I actually wrote anything that
warranted the interpretation you gave it, so now it's my turn to (pout).
Gary
****************************
"Heads will swing!"
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Gladstone on the Web: http://www.hamlco.com/bhc/
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>But to assume that I would have quit Gladstone for any reason than
>that I was forced by circumstances seems to sell my devotion to Gladstone
>much too short. (pout).
Was that what you thought I meant? Nope, nope, nope, nope!
What I was saying was that *Disney Comics*, on hindsight, did not really
have much of a role in establishing the mechanics of today's Gladstone/Rosa
working relationship. I believe you going to work primarily for Egmont was
inevitable because sooner or later you, Gladstone, and Egmont (with Byron
in place) would have realized, once all the facts were weighed, that it was
the best thing for everyone concerned. Unfortunately, Disney, with its
controversial art-return policy and establishment of Disney Comics, wound
up making a pig's breakfast of what could have been a reasonably smooth,
agreeable transition.
I mentioned your Oberon work as foreshadowing the force of circumstances,
not your intentions. And I don't think I actually wrote anything that
warranted the interpretation you gave it, so now it's my turn to (pout).
Gary
****************************
"Heads will swing!"
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Gladstone on the Web: http://www.hamlco.com/bhc/
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Per Starback
New version of Disney comics Database
Message 7 -
1997-02-04 at 01:44:31
Harry wrote:
> A new version of the Disney comics Database has been uploaded to Per's
> web/ftp-site. I understand there are some problems in generating the files,
> so some of the files (only the German?) may be incomplete.
> But Per will fix that soon.
Unfortunately some other files were incomplete as well, but now
everything should be OK.
> - ITALY:
> - A first version of an Italian issue-index, with
> Paperino & C., by Marco Barlotti.
> - An incomplete Topolino index, by Benassi Miroslav.
Does that mean that Miroslav's original file no longer contains
anything not in the DcD? (In that case I'll remove the link to it
from database.html.)
By the way -- I noticed that "Francisco Bargada" in the previous version
now is "Francisco Bargadan". Is that really right?
And really there should be an accent over the last a, right?
A grave accent? Please someone Italian, enlighten me!
> A new version of the Disney comics Database has been uploaded to Per's
> web/ftp-site. I understand there are some problems in generating the files,
> so some of the files (only the German?) may be incomplete.
> But Per will fix that soon.
Unfortunately some other files were incomplete as well, but now
everything should be OK.
> - ITALY:
> - A first version of an Italian issue-index, with
> Paperino & C., by Marco Barlotti.
> - An incomplete Topolino index, by Benassi Miroslav.
Does that mean that Miroslav's original file no longer contains
anything not in the DcD? (In that case I'll remove the link to it
from database.html.)
By the way -- I noticed that "Francisco Bargada" in the previous version
now is "Francisco Bargadan". Is that really right?
And really there should be an accent over the last a, right?
A grave accent? Please someone Italian, enlighten me!
Fabrizio Cellerini
Disney comics Digest V97 #26/27
Message 8 -
1997-02-04 at 09:37:57
HARRY FLUKS:
> - The database program can now produce files that can be read by MS-Access.
Great ! The new .acc files can be easily imported in other windows
applications such as MS-Excel. Thanks; I find them very useful !
> 5. Download the "MS-Access" files from the Disney comics ftp site
> (subdir "access", all files ending with ".acc") and import them
> into MS-Access. The Access files contain a lot of information
> from the Database, but not everything.
What kind of information are we missing ?
Regards,
Fabrizio.
--------------------------------
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> - The database program can now produce files that can be read by MS-Access.
Great ! The new .acc files can be easily imported in other windows
applications such as MS-Excel. Thanks; I find them very useful !
> 5. Download the "MS-Access" files from the Disney comics ftp site
> (subdir "access", all files ending with ".acc") and import them
> into MS-Access. The Access files contain a lot of information
> from the Database, but not everything.
What kind of information are we missing ?
Regards,
Fabrizio.
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Ole R. Nielsen
Til Per og Bent
Message 9 -
1997-02-04 at 12:23:41
Per Grubert wrote:
> It is a long time since i have written, but I can tell you that I
> read every page in this list.
Is that a threat or a promise? I'm not sure what exactly it is you
do as head honcho of the Egmont comics empire, but I have a notion
that actually _reading_ the comic books is something you do for the
fun of it, not as a necessary part of your job. And keeping an eye
out for writers who let their mouth run wouldn't be your job either?
> As you maybe know, we in ECN , Egmont Comic Creation, new name for
> Egmont Publishing Service have a rating system.The ratings go from 1
> very bad to 5 very good. We calculate in 2 ways one is the average,
> the other is how many % has said 5 absolute super.
You must mean the abbreviation is ECC, and I didn't know about the
rating system either, though I've seen a couple of questionnaires.
Those were in the Swedish edition, and were pictures from various
stories suggested for publication in a later issue. It sounds from
the following as if the voters were from Germany:
> Normally we keep the results for ourselves, but in Mickey Maus nr
> 46, there was a result that I think I will tell you about. The story
> by Pat McGreal and drawn by Vicar D 95196 Double duty, got 67% super.
Obviously I had to check this story out, and it appeared in Danish
no. 42/1996. That particular story has been mentioned here before as
the one with _six_ nephews. So maybe we can draw some conclusions
here about the optimal quantity of ducklings: the more the better!
Do tell me: what rating did the infamous story get, where Vicar
accidentally put four nephews in a panel; better than average?
> We had another story also in nr 46 by a certain Carl Barks W US 60 A
> The Phantom of Notre Duck, a very good story. The rating here was 58
> % super.
It is, but I could have done without the Hunchback references.
> Congratulation to Pat,Vicar, Byron and all the professional people
> who helps us to follow our slogan.
> We do Worldclass Disney Comics No more no less. Did anyone mention
> dull, machineproduced stories from Egmont?
Being the one to coin the assembly-line phrase so long ago everybody
mercifully forgot, I'd like to state that I was referring to the dark
decade of the 80'es (_not_ the "happy 80'es", as a recent title was
bold enough to claim), where Barks' stories became highly infrequent,
and the mainstay of the weeklies was Tello-Team's boring Mickey
'mysteries' and "Stupid, Stupid Donald Duck Gets His Just Desert
(tee-hee)". I often dig out old issues, but hardly ever any of those
ca. 500 issues. The fact that the 80'es book had to be spiced up and
promoted with two unpublished (and 90'es coded) Time Machine stories
to sell is a dead giveaway.
And, just to correct a misconception from a while ago, none of the
Time Machine stories had ever been published in _Denmark_.
BUT! Since 1990 when the first of Don's stories appeared, and Byron
came to power, the quality of the stories has been on the increase.
No doubt the love and care Byron has for the Disney characters has
wiped off on the writers, who may have found out that you couldn't
just turn in any 8 pages a week and cash in the paycheck without
any questions asked. As may have been the case before, I'm afraid.
Today I consider the Egmont weeklies better than the Dutch, which
is a high praise coming from me, the xenophile I am. And I quite
eagerly await the debut of the much-hyped 64 page format Thursday.
> This was a nice way to close a bussy year with a production of more
> than 5000 pages
Come on, you've got to lay off that corporate/industrial lingo,
if you want to be taken seriously as a patron of the arts. ;-)
Bent wrote:
> "Someone" should do something do make these two stories available to a
> broader audience. For instance, I've read only one of the stories - and I
> loved it. ;)
"These two stories" being Kristian Pedersen's cadeaus to Barks
in the computer science students' newsletter at Aarhus University.
Actually there are four stories published, and one under way.
I've already contacted Kristian to beg for some copies and suggest
an international edition. Jan beat me to it though, since I was
careless enough to reveal Kristian's username to him. Anyway, we
are arranging a rendezvous in Aarhus one of these days, and you
are of course invited to join the fight for the few copies that
Kristian is throwing to his fans.
> I would imagine other list members with knowledge of Danish would be
> interested too.
There have been a couple of requests, so don't consider me a non-
combattant, just because my own collection is complete. :-)
Danish may not even be necessary to enjoy the next story according
to Kristian, but I'll leave that announcement to himself.
The stories are online at http://www.daimi.aau.dk/~leeman/anders.html
-- Ole 'R' Nielsen <(Email removed)>
> It is a long time since i have written, but I can tell you that I
> read every page in this list.
Is that a threat or a promise? I'm not sure what exactly it is you
do as head honcho of the Egmont comics empire, but I have a notion
that actually _reading_ the comic books is something you do for the
fun of it, not as a necessary part of your job. And keeping an eye
out for writers who let their mouth run wouldn't be your job either?
> As you maybe know, we in ECN , Egmont Comic Creation, new name for
> Egmont Publishing Service have a rating system.The ratings go from 1
> very bad to 5 very good. We calculate in 2 ways one is the average,
> the other is how many % has said 5 absolute super.
You must mean the abbreviation is ECC, and I didn't know about the
rating system either, though I've seen a couple of questionnaires.
Those were in the Swedish edition, and were pictures from various
stories suggested for publication in a later issue. It sounds from
the following as if the voters were from Germany:
> Normally we keep the results for ourselves, but in Mickey Maus nr
> 46, there was a result that I think I will tell you about. The story
> by Pat McGreal and drawn by Vicar D 95196 Double duty, got 67% super.
Obviously I had to check this story out, and it appeared in Danish
no. 42/1996. That particular story has been mentioned here before as
the one with _six_ nephews. So maybe we can draw some conclusions
here about the optimal quantity of ducklings: the more the better!
Do tell me: what rating did the infamous story get, where Vicar
accidentally put four nephews in a panel; better than average?
> We had another story also in nr 46 by a certain Carl Barks W US 60 A
> The Phantom of Notre Duck, a very good story. The rating here was 58
> % super.
It is, but I could have done without the Hunchback references.
> Congratulation to Pat,Vicar, Byron and all the professional people
> who helps us to follow our slogan.
> We do Worldclass Disney Comics No more no less. Did anyone mention
> dull, machineproduced stories from Egmont?
Being the one to coin the assembly-line phrase so long ago everybody
mercifully forgot, I'd like to state that I was referring to the dark
decade of the 80'es (_not_ the "happy 80'es", as a recent title was
bold enough to claim), where Barks' stories became highly infrequent,
and the mainstay of the weeklies was Tello-Team's boring Mickey
'mysteries' and "Stupid, Stupid Donald Duck Gets His Just Desert
(tee-hee)". I often dig out old issues, but hardly ever any of those
ca. 500 issues. The fact that the 80'es book had to be spiced up and
promoted with two unpublished (and 90'es coded) Time Machine stories
to sell is a dead giveaway.
And, just to correct a misconception from a while ago, none of the
Time Machine stories had ever been published in _Denmark_.
BUT! Since 1990 when the first of Don's stories appeared, and Byron
came to power, the quality of the stories has been on the increase.
No doubt the love and care Byron has for the Disney characters has
wiped off on the writers, who may have found out that you couldn't
just turn in any 8 pages a week and cash in the paycheck without
any questions asked. As may have been the case before, I'm afraid.
Today I consider the Egmont weeklies better than the Dutch, which
is a high praise coming from me, the xenophile I am. And I quite
eagerly await the debut of the much-hyped 64 page format Thursday.
> This was a nice way to close a bussy year with a production of more
> than 5000 pages
Come on, you've got to lay off that corporate/industrial lingo,
if you want to be taken seriously as a patron of the arts. ;-)
Bent wrote:
> "Someone" should do something do make these two stories available to a
> broader audience. For instance, I've read only one of the stories - and I
> loved it. ;)
"These two stories" being Kristian Pedersen's cadeaus to Barks
in the computer science students' newsletter at Aarhus University.
Actually there are four stories published, and one under way.
I've already contacted Kristian to beg for some copies and suggest
an international edition. Jan beat me to it though, since I was
careless enough to reveal Kristian's username to him. Anyway, we
are arranging a rendezvous in Aarhus one of these days, and you
are of course invited to join the fight for the few copies that
Kristian is throwing to his fans.
> I would imagine other list members with knowledge of Danish would be
> interested too.
There have been a couple of requests, so don't consider me a non-
combattant, just because my own collection is complete. :-)
Danish may not even be necessary to enjoy the next story according
to Kristian, but I'll leave that announcement to himself.
The stories are online at http://www.daimi.aau.dk/~leeman/anders.html
-- Ole 'R' Nielsen <(Email removed)>
Marco Barlotti
Francisco Bargada'
Message 10 -
1997-02-04 at 13:20:58
>
>By the way -- I noticed that "Francisco Bargada" in the previous version
>now is "Francisco Bargadan". Is that really right?
>And really there should be an accent over the last a, right?
>A grave accent? Please someone Italian, enlighten me!
>
(Note however that Bargada' is not Italian, although his studio has worked a
lot for Italian Disney Comics a few years ago)
Yes, a grave accent. The correct name is
<Francisco Bargad=E0>
I left one blank line to allow for the mess that might have been caused by
the non-standard ASCII character <stressed A>. And I feel a little guilty
too. I work with MS-DOS extended ASCII characters, so often they are not
correctly converted when put "on line" by Harry/Per in the data base.
However there would be absolutely *no* problem for me to send Harry the file
in Windows extended-ASCII format, so maybe next time we should agree upon
this in advance...
Marco
>By the way -- I noticed that "Francisco Bargada" in the previous version
>now is "Francisco Bargadan". Is that really right?
>And really there should be an accent over the last a, right?
>A grave accent? Please someone Italian, enlighten me!
>
(Note however that Bargada' is not Italian, although his studio has worked a
lot for Italian Disney Comics a few years ago)
Yes, a grave accent. The correct name is
<Francisco Bargad=E0>
I left one blank line to allow for the mess that might have been caused by
the non-standard ASCII character <stressed A>. And I feel a little guilty
too. I work with MS-DOS extended ASCII characters, so often they are not
correctly converted when put "on line" by Harry/Per in the data base.
However there would be absolutely *no* problem for me to send Harry the file
in Windows extended-ASCII format, so maybe next time we should agree upon
this in advance...
Marco
Pedersen, Bent
Digest #29
Message 11 -
1997-02-04 at 13:28:51
MARCO (about Kristian's stories):
>The two stories are available to anyone who has WWW access,
>at the address <http://www.daimi.aau.dk/~leeman/anders.html>
>which address of course Bent had already given on this list.
Thanks... I seem to forget quickly these days. I am already downloading the
stories.
>And what about the vast majority of the others? I hate to ask
>this, because I know how long it takes to make a translation
>(and how difficult too, Lidia forgive me!), but how lovely
>would it be if our Danish-speaking members could manage to
>give us a translation!
I wouldn't mind giving it a try, but I think we should wait and see what is
agreed on in "The Big Meeting" - which unfortunately takes place during
normal workhours. That means I can't attend, but hopefully I will get the
information "second hand".
At least any person translating from Danish to English will be better off
than Lidia, 'cause you don't know any Danish. ;)
DAVID GERSTEIN:
>A lot of Scarpa stories hover at around 30-35 pages, a bit too
>long for American single issues, but too short for serialization.
>Would people vehemently object if these were trimmed? I have a
>hunch I myself would, but now that I'm thinking about other
>Scarpa stories to Americanize sometime soon, I wonder what the
>general response would be.
When reading my response, please consider that I have no idea what
"vehemently" means... anyway, in principle I think that the works of the
great masters are best left as they were made originally. On the other hand
I have complete confidence in you when it comes to judging a story. Most of
the readers would be unaware of the alterations - and they wouldn't care.
So, you are left with the wrath of those die-hard fanatics like the list
members - not an easy job you have. :) To make a long story short, I would
prefer the original, non-trimmed version. But the question is tricky.
OLE:
>careless enough to reveal Kristian's username to him. Anyway,
>we are arranging a rendezvous in Aarhus one of these days, and
>you are of course invited to join the fight for the few copies
>that Kristian is throwing to his fans.
Thanks, but it is impossible for me to participate. I think that you should
let the list know of what the New Great Master speaks. :) And get me a
copy, will ya?
/Bent Pedersen
-- It's a Bentriloquist thing...
>The two stories are available to anyone who has WWW access,
>at the address <http://www.daimi.aau.dk/~leeman/anders.html>
>which address of course Bent had already given on this list.
Thanks... I seem to forget quickly these days. I am already downloading the
stories.
>And what about the vast majority of the others? I hate to ask
>this, because I know how long it takes to make a translation
>(and how difficult too, Lidia forgive me!), but how lovely
>would it be if our Danish-speaking members could manage to
>give us a translation!
I wouldn't mind giving it a try, but I think we should wait and see what is
agreed on in "The Big Meeting" - which unfortunately takes place during
normal workhours. That means I can't attend, but hopefully I will get the
information "second hand".
At least any person translating from Danish to English will be better off
than Lidia, 'cause you don't know any Danish. ;)
DAVID GERSTEIN:
>A lot of Scarpa stories hover at around 30-35 pages, a bit too
>long for American single issues, but too short for serialization.
>Would people vehemently object if these were trimmed? I have a
>hunch I myself would, but now that I'm thinking about other
>Scarpa stories to Americanize sometime soon, I wonder what the
>general response would be.
When reading my response, please consider that I have no idea what
"vehemently" means... anyway, in principle I think that the works of the
great masters are best left as they were made originally. On the other hand
I have complete confidence in you when it comes to judging a story. Most of
the readers would be unaware of the alterations - and they wouldn't care.
So, you are left with the wrath of those die-hard fanatics like the list
members - not an easy job you have. :) To make a long story short, I would
prefer the original, non-trimmed version. But the question is tricky.
OLE:
>careless enough to reveal Kristian's username to him. Anyway,
>we are arranging a rendezvous in Aarhus one of these days, and
>you are of course invited to join the fight for the few copies
>that Kristian is throwing to his fans.
Thanks, but it is impossible for me to participate. I think that you should
let the list know of what the New Great Master speaks. :) And get me a
copy, will ya?
/Bent Pedersen
-- It's a Bentriloquist thing...
Marco Barlotti
Editing Scarpa's stories
Message 12 -
1997-02-04 at 13:33:39
DAVID:
> A lot of Scarpa stories hover at around 30-35 pages, a bit too long
>for American single issues, but too short for serialization. Would people
>vehemently object if these were trimmed? I have a hunch I myself would,
>but now that I'm thinking about other Scarpa stories to Americanize
>sometime soon, I wonder what the general response would be.
Scarpa's stories were mainly written for "Topolino" in a three-row-per-page
format; when you print them in Gladstone format they get blown up. When I
was a child, Barks' stories (written in a four-row-per-page format) were
printed in the small "Topolino" after a <cut+paste> work which reduced them
to the three-row format WITHOUT TRIMMING them. The result, I must admit
after having read the original version, was not excellent but was CERTAINLY
a better solution than reducing the whole page or just trimming away some parts.
I wonder whether the same (well, reverse) sort of re-assembling might be
proposed for Scarpa's stories. It's not very easy, I mean: sometimes you
have to put three panels in the same row, so you must cut something in each
panel; other times the two panels you have in the row leave some space so
you have to enlarge each of them and draw maybe a tree in the background
otherways there would be too much space. So I am not certain this would be
THE solution; but a possible solution it would certainly be, since a *whole*
32-page story would then fit into 25-26 pages.
Marco
> A lot of Scarpa stories hover at around 30-35 pages, a bit too long
>for American single issues, but too short for serialization. Would people
>vehemently object if these were trimmed? I have a hunch I myself would,
>but now that I'm thinking about other Scarpa stories to Americanize
>sometime soon, I wonder what the general response would be.
Scarpa's stories were mainly written for "Topolino" in a three-row-per-page
format; when you print them in Gladstone format they get blown up. When I
was a child, Barks' stories (written in a four-row-per-page format) were
printed in the small "Topolino" after a <cut+paste> work which reduced them
to the three-row format WITHOUT TRIMMING them. The result, I must admit
after having read the original version, was not excellent but was CERTAINLY
a better solution than reducing the whole page or just trimming away some parts.
I wonder whether the same (well, reverse) sort of re-assembling might be
proposed for Scarpa's stories. It's not very easy, I mean: sometimes you
have to put three panels in the same row, so you must cut something in each
panel; other times the two panels you have in the row leave some space so
you have to enlarge each of them and draw maybe a tree in the background
otherways there would be too much space. So I am not certain this would be
THE solution; but a possible solution it would certainly be, since a *whole*
32-page story would then fit into 25-26 pages.
Marco
Jacob Sparre Andersen
Editing Scarpa's stories
Message 13 -
1997-02-04 at 14:02:10
DAVID:
Marco suggested "re-assembling" rather than trimming of the stories.
If you have read some of the "Walt Disney's den store ..." books, then you've
seen the results of a 2x3 to 4x5 panel re-assembley of Italian pocket book
stories. I think it works out quite fine (when there aren't too many
whole-page panels).
A simple re-assembley to 3x4 panels might need to be squeezed a bit to fit on
a "standard" page, but it would get the story down to 16 pages (much easier to
get past the editor :-).
Anyway, I look forward to _read_ more Italian stories.
Greetings,
Jacob
--
Jacob Sparre Andersen http://www.nbi.dk/%7Esparre/
Center for Chaos and Turbulence Studies Phone: (+45) 39 65 53 51
The Niels Bohr Institute (+45) 35 32 53 05
--
Gør dine X-programmer danske - på 5 minutter: http://www.nbi.dk/~nordfalk/ovs/
Marco suggested "re-assembling" rather than trimming of the stories.
If you have read some of the "Walt Disney's den store ..." books, then you've
seen the results of a 2x3 to 4x5 panel re-assembley of Italian pocket book
stories. I think it works out quite fine (when there aren't too many
whole-page panels).
A simple re-assembley to 3x4 panels might need to be squeezed a bit to fit on
a "standard" page, but it would get the story down to 16 pages (much easier to
get past the editor :-).
Anyway, I look forward to _read_ more Italian stories.
Greetings,
Jacob
--
Jacob Sparre Andersen http://www.nbi.dk/%7Esparre/
Center for Chaos and Turbulence Studies Phone: (+45) 39 65 53 51
The Niels Bohr Institute (+45) 35 32 53 05
--
Gør dine X-programmer danske - på 5 minutter: http://www.nbi.dk/~nordfalk/ovs/
Frank Fabian
Changes in the CBL
Message 14 -
1997-02-04 at 14:46:43
Some time ago, Daniel van Eijmeren asked for lists of changes from the
original editions in the Carl Barks Library. German Ehapa Verlag has
published such a list in its Barks index accompanying the German CBLiC
albums (Carl Barks - Werkverzeichnis der Comics; compiled by Johnny A.
Grote, 1995). In the following you will find a translated and slightly
shortened version of this list. Please note it's not mine, but Johnny
Grote's. The translation into English, however, is mine, and therefore also
any errors in it.
Best regards, Frank
################################################################################
Stories which were published in changed form in the CBL
CPG (CBL VI, 1, 143) <Atom Bomb story>: The story was completely redrawn by
Daan Jippes. The text wasn't changed with the exception of the last two
panels. As a result of the redrawing, there are marginal changes of details,
especially the backgrounds. Noteworthy are the replacement of a policeman's
baton with handcuffs in panel 3, page 16 and the change of Donald's facial
expression in panel 2, page 20. In the last panel of page 30, a cash
register was changed into a stack of hair grower bottles. The bank-notes in
the hands of the buyers waiting in the queue were removed. In this changed
ending, Donald gives away his product for free instead of selling it for money.
DD 26/2 (CBL II, 3, 465): This story was published in a restored version of
32 pages. The initial 1,5 pages were replaced by a opening splash panel that
had been cut before the story's first printing. To facilitate a seamless
transition, the text in panel 4, page 2 was slightly changed. A further nine
pages, also cut before the first printing, were seamlessly integrated. A
still missing panel was replaced by another panel assembled from various
other panels of this story.
DD 26/4 (CBL II, 3, 524): The seventh panel of this one-pager was stretched
in width for ca. 2 cm. The place thus covered was originally occupated by a
narrow text box calling attention to a cut-out Halloween mask on the comic's
back cover.
DD 45/2 (CBL II, 3, 537): On page 5, panels 7-8 and 5-6 were originally
printed in the wrong order. They are presented here in the correct order.
FC 238/2 (CBL II, 1, 19): All African natives including the zombie have been
changed. In Barks' original they were portrayed with thick lips and pointed
teeth. This portrayal, nowadays thought to be racist, was "toned down" for
this printing. Furtheron, in panel 8, page 22, the text was reconstructed
according to Barks' memory.
FC 456/2 (CBL III, 1, 69): The story was printed in a restored version of 32
pages. Integrated were 4,5 pages cut before the first printing and a
half-page of pencils taken from USHL&T <Uncle Scrooge : His Life & Times>.
KG (CBL VI, 1, 151 and VI, 1, 8) <Kite Giveaway>: The story, including the
two alternative panels, was completely redrawn.
MOC 20 (CBL VI, 1, 53): The story was completely redrawn by Daan Jippes
(pages 1-4) and an unknown artist (pages 5-22). Similar to FC 238/2, all
blacks, portrayed in the original with thick lips and pointed teeth, were
changed. The third panel on page 15, picturing two "savages" showing their
teeth, was removed; instead, the fourth panel was enlarged and changed in
its composition. Furthermore the text was changed in various places; for
instance, the Africans who were originally bribed with "two false teeth" now
get "Confederate dollars".
MOC 41 (CBL VI, 1, 75): The story was completely redrawn by Daan Jippes.
US 13/2 (CBL III, 2, 479): The story was printed in a partly restored
version of 29 pages. Two half-pages cut before the first printing were added
(one with a change to the text). Also added was a nine-panel sequence which
had been cut as well; panel 2 on page 8 was left out instead. To make a
seamless integration of the unpublished material possible, the text in panel
1, page 4 was slightly changed.
US 17/2 (CBL III, 3, 635): The mouth areas of all Brutopians, originally
portrayed with Slavic features, were changed in this story.
US 20/1 (CBL III, 3, 741): In panels 2 and 3, page 7 the lines suggesting
paving-stones of the sidewalk were removed.
US 22/2 (CBL IV, 1, 53): The story was printed in a so-called "restored"
version; this means that nine panels cut by Barks after completion of the
story out of his own conviction were re-integrated; instead, panel 2 of page
17 was removed.
US 33/1 (CBL IV, 2, 318): The seventh panel of this one-pager was shortened
at the right and left sides.
US 33/4 (CBL IV, 2, 449): In panel 7, page 7 and panel 2, page 8, the heads
of the natives have been changed: originally portrayed with curly black
hair, they are wearing here punk hairstyles, horned helmets and bald heads.
US 40/1 (CBL IV, 3, 657): For all panels, originally missing frames were added.
US 40/2 (CBL IV, 3, 677): For all panels, thick, black frames - instead of
colored ones as in the original - were added.
US 51 (CBL V, 1, 207): The story has been printed in a 17-page, partly
restored version. 1,75 pages cut before the original printing to make room
for ads have been added. A quarter-page of still missing art was left blank.
For seamless integration, a word balloon was added to panel 7, page 2.
US 52 (CBL V, 1, 227): The initial panel was shortened at the lower border.
US 64 (CBL V, 3, 569): In panel 2, page 16 the wire strangulating the
soldier in the third panel was removed. The text was changed in several
places to eliminate references to the Vietnam war.
WDC 34 (CBL VII, 1, 49): At the right border of all pages, drawings of about
1 cm length were pieced on.
WDC 63 (CBL VII, 2, 339): In panel 8, page 10 the Ducks' halos were removed.
This is a restoration of Barks' original conception; the halos had been
added - as Barks remembers - later on the part of his editor.
WDC 255 (CBL X, 2, 283): In panel 9, page 8 a crayfish and a jellyfish were
added; seemingly the work of a jokester!
WDC 261 (CBL X, 2, 343): The initial panel has been lengthened at the lower
border. The original panel was ca. 3 cm shorter; this space was taken by the
usual indicia.
WDC 276 (CBL X, 2, 499): In panel 6, page 8 a fish skeleton and an
indefinable plant were added; the jokester at work again!
WDC 277 (CBL X, 2, 509): In panel 2, page 3, Donald's speed lines were
retouched.
original editions in the Carl Barks Library. German Ehapa Verlag has
published such a list in its Barks index accompanying the German CBLiC
albums (Carl Barks - Werkverzeichnis der Comics; compiled by Johnny A.
Grote, 1995). In the following you will find a translated and slightly
shortened version of this list. Please note it's not mine, but Johnny
Grote's. The translation into English, however, is mine, and therefore also
any errors in it.
Best regards, Frank
################################################################################
Stories which were published in changed form in the CBL
CPG (CBL VI, 1, 143) <Atom Bomb story>: The story was completely redrawn by
Daan Jippes. The text wasn't changed with the exception of the last two
panels. As a result of the redrawing, there are marginal changes of details,
especially the backgrounds. Noteworthy are the replacement of a policeman's
baton with handcuffs in panel 3, page 16 and the change of Donald's facial
expression in panel 2, page 20. In the last panel of page 30, a cash
register was changed into a stack of hair grower bottles. The bank-notes in
the hands of the buyers waiting in the queue were removed. In this changed
ending, Donald gives away his product for free instead of selling it for money.
DD 26/2 (CBL II, 3, 465): This story was published in a restored version of
32 pages. The initial 1,5 pages were replaced by a opening splash panel that
had been cut before the story's first printing. To facilitate a seamless
transition, the text in panel 4, page 2 was slightly changed. A further nine
pages, also cut before the first printing, were seamlessly integrated. A
still missing panel was replaced by another panel assembled from various
other panels of this story.
DD 26/4 (CBL II, 3, 524): The seventh panel of this one-pager was stretched
in width for ca. 2 cm. The place thus covered was originally occupated by a
narrow text box calling attention to a cut-out Halloween mask on the comic's
back cover.
DD 45/2 (CBL II, 3, 537): On page 5, panels 7-8 and 5-6 were originally
printed in the wrong order. They are presented here in the correct order.
FC 238/2 (CBL II, 1, 19): All African natives including the zombie have been
changed. In Barks' original they were portrayed with thick lips and pointed
teeth. This portrayal, nowadays thought to be racist, was "toned down" for
this printing. Furtheron, in panel 8, page 22, the text was reconstructed
according to Barks' memory.
FC 456/2 (CBL III, 1, 69): The story was printed in a restored version of 32
pages. Integrated were 4,5 pages cut before the first printing and a
half-page of pencils taken from USHL&T <Uncle Scrooge : His Life & Times>.
KG (CBL VI, 1, 151 and VI, 1, 8) <Kite Giveaway>: The story, including the
two alternative panels, was completely redrawn.
MOC 20 (CBL VI, 1, 53): The story was completely redrawn by Daan Jippes
(pages 1-4) and an unknown artist (pages 5-22). Similar to FC 238/2, all
blacks, portrayed in the original with thick lips and pointed teeth, were
changed. The third panel on page 15, picturing two "savages" showing their
teeth, was removed; instead, the fourth panel was enlarged and changed in
its composition. Furthermore the text was changed in various places; for
instance, the Africans who were originally bribed with "two false teeth" now
get "Confederate dollars".
MOC 41 (CBL VI, 1, 75): The story was completely redrawn by Daan Jippes.
US 13/2 (CBL III, 2, 479): The story was printed in a partly restored
version of 29 pages. Two half-pages cut before the first printing were added
(one with a change to the text). Also added was a nine-panel sequence which
had been cut as well; panel 2 on page 8 was left out instead. To make a
seamless integration of the unpublished material possible, the text in panel
1, page 4 was slightly changed.
US 17/2 (CBL III, 3, 635): The mouth areas of all Brutopians, originally
portrayed with Slavic features, were changed in this story.
US 20/1 (CBL III, 3, 741): In panels 2 and 3, page 7 the lines suggesting
paving-stones of the sidewalk were removed.
US 22/2 (CBL IV, 1, 53): The story was printed in a so-called "restored"
version; this means that nine panels cut by Barks after completion of the
story out of his own conviction were re-integrated; instead, panel 2 of page
17 was removed.
US 33/1 (CBL IV, 2, 318): The seventh panel of this one-pager was shortened
at the right and left sides.
US 33/4 (CBL IV, 2, 449): In panel 7, page 7 and panel 2, page 8, the heads
of the natives have been changed: originally portrayed with curly black
hair, they are wearing here punk hairstyles, horned helmets and bald heads.
US 40/1 (CBL IV, 3, 657): For all panels, originally missing frames were added.
US 40/2 (CBL IV, 3, 677): For all panels, thick, black frames - instead of
colored ones as in the original - were added.
US 51 (CBL V, 1, 207): The story has been printed in a 17-page, partly
restored version. 1,75 pages cut before the original printing to make room
for ads have been added. A quarter-page of still missing art was left blank.
For seamless integration, a word balloon was added to panel 7, page 2.
US 52 (CBL V, 1, 227): The initial panel was shortened at the lower border.
US 64 (CBL V, 3, 569): In panel 2, page 16 the wire strangulating the
soldier in the third panel was removed. The text was changed in several
places to eliminate references to the Vietnam war.
WDC 34 (CBL VII, 1, 49): At the right border of all pages, drawings of about
1 cm length were pieced on.
WDC 63 (CBL VII, 2, 339): In panel 8, page 10 the Ducks' halos were removed.
This is a restoration of Barks' original conception; the halos had been
added - as Barks remembers - later on the part of his editor.
WDC 255 (CBL X, 2, 283): In panel 9, page 8 a crayfish and a jellyfish were
added; seemingly the work of a jokester!
WDC 261 (CBL X, 2, 343): The initial panel has been lengthened at the lower
border. The original panel was ca. 3 cm shorter; this space was taken by the
usual indicia.
WDC 276 (CBL X, 2, 499): In panel 6, page 8 a fish skeleton and an
indefinable plant were added; the jokester at work again!
WDC 277 (CBL X, 2, 509): In panel 2, page 3, Donald's speed lines were
retouched.
Kristian Thougaard Pedersen
'Mesterdatalogen', etc.
Message 15 -
1997-02-04 at 15:05:04
Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 10:43:09 +0100
From: Marco Barlotti <(Email removed)>
To: (Email removed)
Subject: Anders And... mesterdatalogen
Marco wrote:
>And what about the vast majority of the others? I hate to ask this, because
>I know how long it takes to make a translation (and how difficult too, Lidia
>forgive me!), but how lovely would it be if our Danish-speaking members
>could manage to give us a translation!
And Ole wrote:
>Danish may not even be necessary to enjoy the next story according
>to Kristian, but I'll leave that announcement to himself.
All right. I have just finished a Danish version of a 13-page Donald
story that I'm also going to do an English version of. My friend Steen
has promised to publish it online at the usual address, which should
happen in a few weeks time, I hope.
As for the older stories, I *have* thought about translating them too.
('Mesterdatalogen' is bound to lose quite a bit in the process, though,
as a lot of the jokes are aimed at students at Aarhus University).
I suppose I could translate the stories in sort of manuscript-like form
- I certainly can't bear the thought of whiting out all speech balloons
(correct term?) and writing in the English text instead! But in manu-
script form, it is manageable. Time-demanding, yes, but it could be
fun to do.
There are also two short Gyro stories that have yet to be published
online.
I must say I'm rather flattered by the attention but also increasingly
worried about running into copyright problems! I hope The Powers That
Be, if they ever discover the stories, won't look at them as vicious
parodies violating the Disney spirit!
Kristian
From: Marco Barlotti <(Email removed)>
To: (Email removed)
Subject: Anders And... mesterdatalogen
Marco wrote:
>And what about the vast majority of the others? I hate to ask this, because
>I know how long it takes to make a translation (and how difficult too, Lidia
>forgive me!), but how lovely would it be if our Danish-speaking members
>could manage to give us a translation!
And Ole wrote:
>Danish may not even be necessary to enjoy the next story according
>to Kristian, but I'll leave that announcement to himself.
All right. I have just finished a Danish version of a 13-page Donald
story that I'm also going to do an English version of. My friend Steen
has promised to publish it online at the usual address, which should
happen in a few weeks time, I hope.
As for the older stories, I *have* thought about translating them too.
('Mesterdatalogen' is bound to lose quite a bit in the process, though,
as a lot of the jokes are aimed at students at Aarhus University).
I suppose I could translate the stories in sort of manuscript-like form
- I certainly can't bear the thought of whiting out all speech balloons
(correct term?) and writing in the English text instead! But in manu-
script form, it is manageable. Time-demanding, yes, but it could be
fun to do.
There are also two short Gyro stories that have yet to be published
online.
I must say I'm rather flattered by the attention but also increasingly
worried about running into copyright problems! I hope The Powers That
Be, if they ever discover the stories, won't look at them as vicious
parodies violating the Disney spirit!
Kristian