JACOB wrote
>
>Anyway, I look forward to _read_ more Italian stories.
>
but of course you must WISELY CHOOSE which ones. I see that David is picking
his choices among stories written in the 50's, which for a starter is wise
enough. May I recommend David (or Gary or whoever is in charge) to give a
thought to those marvellous stories written by Carlo Chendi and drawn by
Luciano Bottaro? If (to give only two examples) you read "Doctor Paperus" (a
parody of Goethe's Faustus) or "L'isola del tesoro" (a parody of Stevenson's
Treasure Island) you might even start liking parodies 8-)
Marco
Author
Topic: 199702
(128 messages)
Marco Barlotti
Italian stories
Message 16 -
1997-02-04 at 16:46:35
Nils Lid Hjort
Anders And -- Mesterdatologen; Duck science fiction
Message 17 -
1997-02-04 at 17:35:57
Thanks for bringing http://www.daimi.aau.dk/~leeman/anders.html at
[(Email removed)] to our attention the other day, containing Kristian Pedersen
and Steen Lehmann's very nicely made "Anders And -- Mesterdatologen".
I enjoyed it. I had some trouble printing out copies here: the story
is placed at this website as _ten separate pages_ and, if one loads them
down qua ps (postscript) files, as I am used to, the pages are quite
unpleasantly & awkwardly placed: each single page is broken about 6 cm
before the page's bottom, so that each art page gets printed out on
two pages. And this necessitates additional old-fashioned scissors & pasting
work... So Lehmann would do his/Kristian's prospective fans a favour
if he made up _one nice ps-file_ (or .gif?) that gave us just the
ten pages (as ten pages!, not twenty) without fuss...
A minor literary comment to this story: at the end stage the authors
(shamelessly but effectively) exploits sequences about the deservedly
well-known HAL machine from Kubrick & Clarke's film "2001: A Space Odyssey".
At one point Duckburg University's machine SYD says, when about to expire,
that it was made operable on the 12th of January, 1992, just like HAL in
the film. In the _novel_ "2001" by Arthur C. Clarke, however, and which I
consider a more useful and genuine source than the movie, HAL is born on
the 12th of January 1997 (his birthday, in the true sense of that word,
was appropriately marked in the appropriate circles all over the world
three weeks ago). Which means that Pedersen and Lehmann's pioneering
paralegal Disney Duck story (which even features Carl Barks) should properly
be considered a *science fiction Duck story* (having been produced in 1994).
That should prove to be an interesting genre. Rosa, as we know, is consciously
stuck in about 1955. We might imagine him writing a science fiction story
about how our ducks (or their descendants, or Duckburg society) might look
like/behave some time later, say in 1975, or 1995...
Nils Lid Hjort
[(Email removed)] to our attention the other day, containing Kristian Pedersen
and Steen Lehmann's very nicely made "Anders And -- Mesterdatologen".
I enjoyed it. I had some trouble printing out copies here: the story
is placed at this website as _ten separate pages_ and, if one loads them
down qua ps (postscript) files, as I am used to, the pages are quite
unpleasantly & awkwardly placed: each single page is broken about 6 cm
before the page's bottom, so that each art page gets printed out on
two pages. And this necessitates additional old-fashioned scissors & pasting
work... So Lehmann would do his/Kristian's prospective fans a favour
if he made up _one nice ps-file_ (or .gif?) that gave us just the
ten pages (as ten pages!, not twenty) without fuss...
A minor literary comment to this story: at the end stage the authors
(shamelessly but effectively) exploits sequences about the deservedly
well-known HAL machine from Kubrick & Clarke's film "2001: A Space Odyssey".
At one point Duckburg University's machine SYD says, when about to expire,
that it was made operable on the 12th of January, 1992, just like HAL in
the film. In the _novel_ "2001" by Arthur C. Clarke, however, and which I
consider a more useful and genuine source than the movie, HAL is born on
the 12th of January 1997 (his birthday, in the true sense of that word,
was appropriately marked in the appropriate circles all over the world
three weeks ago). Which means that Pedersen and Lehmann's pioneering
paralegal Disney Duck story (which even features Carl Barks) should properly
be considered a *science fiction Duck story* (having been produced in 1994).
That should prove to be an interesting genre. Rosa, as we know, is consciously
stuck in about 1955. We might imagine him writing a science fiction story
about how our ducks (or their descendants, or Duckburg society) might look
like/behave some time later, say in 1975, or 1995...
Nils Lid Hjort
Kriton Kyrimis
Disney comics Digest V97 #29
Message 18 -
1997-02-04 at 18:13:18
DAVID GERSTEIN:
> The art was changed to make the pistol into a flare gun, but on the last
> page of the story, panel 3, you can see Donald holding the pistol as it
> originally looked. Nothing was deemed wrong with Donald merely holding a
> gun to protect himself against the villains from a distance, although now
> it's not exactly clear where he _got_ it.
Well, believe it or not, I didn't even notice that the guns were different.
Since donald said it was a flare gun that he was holding, I assumed it would
be the same gun in all panels. (And I did have a close look at it, as I wanted
to check whether the gun had been edited out, because it was pointed at the
Beagle Boys.) Suggestion is a very powerful thing!
(BTW, did Donald fire the "flare gun" more than once? If so, then it must have
been made by the same factory where they make Hollywood six-shooters, as I
would assume that flare guns can only fire one flare without being reloaded.)
> There was actually one other alteration in the story, which you're
> sure to see if you compare your Greek edition to mine. In Part 1, a
That Greek edition is long since gone. All that was left of it were the
memories described in the letter I sent Gladstone all those years ago,
and that is why I was so eager to see this story reprinted.
> now-deleted page (originally page 3) showed the ministers forgetting the
> crisis at hand, splashing in their model-Nile like children, then
> pretending to be boats and crocodiles. I did Americanize it. But it still
> felt like the story started great and stopped dead in its tracks, our
> sympathy for the ministers' dire situation undermined. All parties
> involved (on both sides of the Atlantic) agreed that the story could be
> streamlined by removing the page, so after a lot of serious consideration,
> we took it out. I hope others agree that this was an acceptable move.
Personally, I wouldn't like to have anything removed from a story, even if
doing so is an improvement. In this case, the change went unnoticed,
so I won't complain--much.
> A lot of Scarpa stories hover at around 30-35 pages, a bit too long
> for American single issues, but too short for serialization. Would people
> vehemently object if these were trimmed? I have a hunch I myself would,
So would I. Here's a suggestion, though: If I'm not mistaken, Scarpa's stories
were printed in "Topolino", which, if I'm also not mistaken, is about half the
size of US comic books. Therefore, why not print Scarpa's stories sideways,
as is done with the Taliaferro strips, with two original pages per page?
This could be done with no reduction (or a very small one) of the original
art. This way, a 30-page Scarpa story would even fit in a Penny Pincher comic
book. (Talk about value for money!)
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"I think somebody just walked over my graves."
-----
> The art was changed to make the pistol into a flare gun, but on the last
> page of the story, panel 3, you can see Donald holding the pistol as it
> originally looked. Nothing was deemed wrong with Donald merely holding a
> gun to protect himself against the villains from a distance, although now
> it's not exactly clear where he _got_ it.
Well, believe it or not, I didn't even notice that the guns were different.
Since donald said it was a flare gun that he was holding, I assumed it would
be the same gun in all panels. (And I did have a close look at it, as I wanted
to check whether the gun had been edited out, because it was pointed at the
Beagle Boys.) Suggestion is a very powerful thing!
(BTW, did Donald fire the "flare gun" more than once? If so, then it must have
been made by the same factory where they make Hollywood six-shooters, as I
would assume that flare guns can only fire one flare without being reloaded.)
> There was actually one other alteration in the story, which you're
> sure to see if you compare your Greek edition to mine. In Part 1, a
That Greek edition is long since gone. All that was left of it were the
memories described in the letter I sent Gladstone all those years ago,
and that is why I was so eager to see this story reprinted.
> now-deleted page (originally page 3) showed the ministers forgetting the
> crisis at hand, splashing in their model-Nile like children, then
> pretending to be boats and crocodiles. I did Americanize it. But it still
> felt like the story started great and stopped dead in its tracks, our
> sympathy for the ministers' dire situation undermined. All parties
> involved (on both sides of the Atlantic) agreed that the story could be
> streamlined by removing the page, so after a lot of serious consideration,
> we took it out. I hope others agree that this was an acceptable move.
Personally, I wouldn't like to have anything removed from a story, even if
doing so is an improvement. In this case, the change went unnoticed,
so I won't complain--much.
> A lot of Scarpa stories hover at around 30-35 pages, a bit too long
> for American single issues, but too short for serialization. Would people
> vehemently object if these were trimmed? I have a hunch I myself would,
So would I. Here's a suggestion, though: If I'm not mistaken, Scarpa's stories
were printed in "Topolino", which, if I'm also not mistaken, is about half the
size of US comic books. Therefore, why not print Scarpa's stories sideways,
as is done with the Taliaferro strips, with two original pages per page?
This could be done with no reduction (or a very small one) of the original
art. This way, a 30-page Scarpa story would even fit in a Penny Pincher comic
book. (Talk about value for money!)
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"I think somebody just walked over my graves."
-----
Harry Fluks
AW: 'Mesterdatalogen', etc.
Message 19 -
1997-02-04 at 23:21:54
KRISTIAN:
> As for the older stories, I *have* thought about translating them too.
Could you at least give a translation of the last panel of the "Gyro and the
thoughts of the stones" story (MF-4-96)? I could quite make up the text of the story,
except for that last panel! (And even without the ending, it's very funny.)
> I must say I'm rather flattered by the attention but also increasingly
> worried about running into copyright problems!
Maybe you can offer them to the Dutch publisher (GP) as *scripts*. They would probably
accept them, and have them redrawn and published. At that moment, your stories are
officially Disney!
DANIEL v.E. AND ARTHUR:
The story I mean here is the one I gave you xeroxes of, last Sunday.
--Harry.
"Aaah! Now I want to stay lying here!"
> As for the older stories, I *have* thought about translating them too.
Could you at least give a translation of the last panel of the "Gyro and the
thoughts of the stones" story (MF-4-96)? I could quite make up the text of the story,
except for that last panel! (And even without the ending, it's very funny.)
> I must say I'm rather flattered by the attention but also increasingly
> worried about running into copyright problems!
Maybe you can offer them to the Dutch publisher (GP) as *scripts*. They would probably
accept them, and have them redrawn and published. At that moment, your stories are
officially Disney!
DANIEL v.E. AND ARTHUR:
The story I mean here is the one I gave you xeroxes of, last Sunday.
--Harry.
"Aaah! Now I want to stay lying here!"
Harry Fluks
Changing Scarpa
Message 20 -
1997-02-04 at 23:28:09
DAVID:
> A lot of Scarpa stories hover at around 30-35 pages, a bit too long
> for American single issues, but too short for serialization. Would people
> vehemently object if these were trimmed?
I vote for "no art changes". Gladstone did it in the past with a Rota (Andold) story, and
with that Fethry story, and I didn't like it. In both cases, the story was butchered.
But I *don't* object to textual changes to make the story more logical, like you did
with several Scarpa stories. And like the Dutch (hi, Pieter) are currently doing with the
Gottfredson story "Bellhop Detective". Those are real *improvements*.
--Harry.
(Please use "The flying Scotsman" soon - it's my favourite...)
> A lot of Scarpa stories hover at around 30-35 pages, a bit too long
> for American single issues, but too short for serialization. Would people
> vehemently object if these were trimmed?
I vote for "no art changes". Gladstone did it in the past with a Rota (Andold) story, and
with that Fethry story, and I didn't like it. In both cases, the story was butchered.
But I *don't* object to textual changes to make the story more logical, like you did
with several Scarpa stories. And like the Dutch (hi, Pieter) are currently doing with the
Gottfredson story "Bellhop Detective". Those are real *improvements*.
--Harry.
(Please use "The flying Scotsman" soon - it's my favourite...)
Harry Fluks
Francisco Bargada`
Message 21 -
1997-02-04 at 23:37:17
PER:
> By the way -- I noticed that "Francisco Bargada" in the previous version
> now is "Francisco Bargadan". Is that really right?
No, it's a typo from me. I think you pointed this out to me before, but I apparantly failed
to change it.
MARCO:
> The correct name is <Francisco Bargad?>
> [...] there would be absolutely *no* problem for me to send Harry the file
> in Windows extended-ASCII format
In the case of creators, I prefer not to use accented characters.
In the database, I only use accented characters in story
titles (and sometimes in comments). That way, "weird" characters do not appear
in e.g. the USA and Dutch indexes. So Americans can read their own indexes, without
having to worry about "foreign" character sets.
I know Per *does* want the accents for his web pages. That's why he's asking for them,
while I'm not. 8-)
--Harry.
> By the way -- I noticed that "Francisco Bargada" in the previous version
> now is "Francisco Bargadan". Is that really right?
No, it's a typo from me. I think you pointed this out to me before, but I apparantly failed
to change it.
MARCO:
> The correct name is <Francisco Bargad?>
> [...] there would be absolutely *no* problem for me to send Harry the file
> in Windows extended-ASCII format
In the case of creators, I prefer not to use accented characters.
In the database, I only use accented characters in story
titles (and sometimes in comments). That way, "weird" characters do not appear
in e.g. the USA and Dutch indexes. So Americans can read their own indexes, without
having to worry about "foreign" character sets.
I know Per *does* want the accents for his web pages. That's why he's asking for them,
while I'm not. 8-)
--Harry.
Harry Fluks
New version of Disney comics Database
Message 22 -
1997-02-04 at 23:38:48
Per:
> Does that mean that Miroslav's original file no longer contains
> anything not in the DcD?
I think so, but I'm not 100 per cent sure. Ole Reichstein did the conversion,
so he should be able to tell.
--Harry.
> Does that mean that Miroslav's original file no longer contains
> anything not in the DcD?
I think so, but I'm not 100 per cent sure. Ole Reichstein did the conversion,
so he should be able to tell.
--Harry.
Harry Fluks
MS-Access files from the Database
Message 23 -
1997-02-04 at 23:45:17
Fabrizio:
>> The Access files contain a lot of information from the Database, but not everything.
> What kind of information are we missing ?
I don't list the reprints of *all* countries. And if a story has more than 2 heroes, writers or
artists, or more than 1 plotter or inker, the remaining data is lost.
Also, some fields are put together in one "Access" field. For instance, the appearing
characters.
--Harry.
>> The Access files contain a lot of information from the Database, but not everything.
> What kind of information are we missing ?
I don't list the reprints of *all* countries. And if a story has more than 2 heroes, writers or
artists, or more than 1 plotter or inker, the remaining data is lost.
Also, some fields are put together in one "Access" field. For instance, the appearing
characters.
--Harry.
Deckerd
Another Decker story
Message 24 -
1997-02-05 at 01:22:41
I just got a copy of the Danish more-or-less
monthly Donald Duck comic book, Anders And Ekstra,
issue 2/1997, and lo and behold! The one-page
Goofy gag at the back of the book is one of mine
(D 96034). I yam a published Dizzy author for
the second time!
--Dwight Decker
monthly Donald Duck comic book, Anders And Ekstra,
issue 2/1997, and lo and behold! The one-page
Goofy gag at the back of the book is one of mine
(D 96034). I yam a published Dizzy author for
the second time!
--Dwight Decker
Didier Ghez
New Barks story ? Again ?
Message 25 -
1997-02-05 at 14:15:16
Hi,
I just found this info on the home page of a club of Disney enthusiasts:
For the first time in over 25 years a new Barks Donald Duck comic book
story has been completed. The title of this new 28 page adventure is
"Somewhere in Nowhere".
Does anyone has more info ?
Didier
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #30
*****************************************
I just found this info on the home page of a club of Disney enthusiasts:
For the first time in over 25 years a new Barks Donald Duck comic book
story has been completed. The title of this new 28 page adventure is
"Somewhere in Nowhere".
Does anyone has more info ?
Didier
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #30
*****************************************
Pedersen, Bent
More about Mesterdatalogen...
Message 26 -
1997-02-05 at 14:59:02
KRISTIAN:
>As for the older stories, I *have* thought about translating
>them too.('Mesterdatalogen' is bound to lose quite a bit in
>the process, though,as a lot of the jokes are aimed at
>students at Aarhus University).
To have you, the Master Himself, translate the stories is the best solution
of them all. And don't worry about the story losing it's "bite" - I don't
know any students at the University and I still love that story.
>There are also two short Gyro stories that have yet to be
>published online.
Do you have any plans to do so? I can do the scanning if that is a problem.
>I suppose I could translate the stories in sort of manuscript-like
>form - I certainly can't bear the thought of whiting out all speech
>balloons (correct term?) and writing in the English text instead!
Have you considered doing that in a paint program? Deleting the old text
and writing the new shouldn't be too hard, and you would still have the
originals intact. Perhaps the end result wouldn't be as pretty as if it was
all done by hand, but still...
NILS:
>I had some trouble printing out copies here: the story
I tried printing directly from Internet Explorer 3.01 and it didn't work
either. But you should try ACDSee. Download all the pages to your disk, and
print them from ACDSee - they will be sized to the page size automagically.
The only problem with that is that the filename will be written at the top
of the page, and I haven't found any way to remove it.
DWIGHT:
>(D 96034). I yam a published Dizzy author for the second time!
Congratulations! I will go find myself a copy and see what you have done
this time. :)
/Bent Pedersen
-- It's a Bentriloquist thing...
>As for the older stories, I *have* thought about translating
>them too.('Mesterdatalogen' is bound to lose quite a bit in
>the process, though,as a lot of the jokes are aimed at
>students at Aarhus University).
To have you, the Master Himself, translate the stories is the best solution
of them all. And don't worry about the story losing it's "bite" - I don't
know any students at the University and I still love that story.
>There are also two short Gyro stories that have yet to be
>published online.
Do you have any plans to do so? I can do the scanning if that is a problem.
>I suppose I could translate the stories in sort of manuscript-like
>form - I certainly can't bear the thought of whiting out all speech
>balloons (correct term?) and writing in the English text instead!
Have you considered doing that in a paint program? Deleting the old text
and writing the new shouldn't be too hard, and you would still have the
originals intact. Perhaps the end result wouldn't be as pretty as if it was
all done by hand, but still...
NILS:
>I had some trouble printing out copies here: the story
I tried printing directly from Internet Explorer 3.01 and it didn't work
either. But you should try ACDSee. Download all the pages to your disk, and
print them from ACDSee - they will be sized to the page size automagically.
The only problem with that is that the filename will be written at the top
of the page, and I haven't found any way to remove it.
DWIGHT:
>(D 96034). I yam a published Dizzy author for the second time!
Congratulations! I will go find myself a copy and see what you have done
this time. :)
/Bent Pedersen
-- It's a Bentriloquist thing...
Don Rosa
Disney comics Digest V97 #30
Message 27 -
1997-02-05 at 15:49:54
KRISTIAN:
You seem to only be worried if someone views your Internet-"published"
Donald Duck stories as parodies. Surely you know that you are violating the
Disney and Egmont copyrights by publishing ANY sort of unauthorized and
unlicensed Donald Duck story... and I would think it's a much more "serious"
offense if you say it's NOT a parody (American copyright laws give a touch
of protection to parodies, but ONLY to parodies). And as to whether Egmont
or Disney knows about it, now that you've mentioned it on this Mailing List,
they DO know about it.
But DON'T WORRY! When I saw what you'd done I already started checking to
see if there was anybody who might get upset. And if anyone is, remember the
worst they'll do is tell you to remove it from the Internet... they won't
send agents in mouse-suits to rough you up.
NILS:
I guess you were referring to that "Return to Duckburg Place" story that I
did 25 years ago (and that I might worry about the same way Kristian might
be worried about his story... though mine was clearly a parody). I'd said
that last I'd heard the story was in the hands of a Dick Reiche. Well, I
have a lead on the guy -- apparently he was a well known comics fan in those
days (as I thought) and I think some of the other old-timer comics-fans out
in California might know where he is. I'll get on the case.
You seem to only be worried if someone views your Internet-"published"
Donald Duck stories as parodies. Surely you know that you are violating the
Disney and Egmont copyrights by publishing ANY sort of unauthorized and
unlicensed Donald Duck story... and I would think it's a much more "serious"
offense if you say it's NOT a parody (American copyright laws give a touch
of protection to parodies, but ONLY to parodies). And as to whether Egmont
or Disney knows about it, now that you've mentioned it on this Mailing List,
they DO know about it.
But DON'T WORRY! When I saw what you'd done I already started checking to
see if there was anybody who might get upset. And if anyone is, remember the
worst they'll do is tell you to remove it from the Internet... they won't
send agents in mouse-suits to rough you up.
NILS:
I guess you were referring to that "Return to Duckburg Place" story that I
did 25 years ago (and that I might worry about the same way Kristian might
be worried about his story... though mine was clearly a parody). I'd said
that last I'd heard the story was in the hands of a Dick Reiche. Well, I
have a lead on the guy -- apparently he was a well known comics fan in those
days (as I thought) and I think some of the other old-timer comics-fans out
in California might know where he is. I'll get on the case.
Barbara Jessome
Disney comics Digest V97 #30
Message 28 -
1997-02-05 at 16:33:35
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Harry Fluks
New Barks story
Message 29 -
1997-02-05 at 19:04:05
DIDIER:
> For the first time in over 25 years a new Barks Donald Duck comic book
> story has been completed.
All I know is that Barks wrote the story some months ago, and Grandey was looking
for an artist. Daan Jippes was asked to do the job (and also part of the writing: page layouts etc.,
like Van Horn did last time). But Jippes found he didn't get enough money for the job.
--Harry.
> For the first time in over 25 years a new Barks Donald Duck comic book
> story has been completed.
All I know is that Barks wrote the story some months ago, and Grandey was looking
for an artist. Daan Jippes was asked to do the job (and also part of the writing: page layouts etc.,
like Van Horn did last time). But Jippes found he didn't get enough money for the job.
--Harry.
Arthur De Wolf
"Somewhere in Nowhere"
Message 30 -
1997-02-05 at 19:47:29
GERHARD TANK:
> I talked to him this morning and [...]
Do you mean that you talked to CARL BARKS this morning? Wow!
Arthur
> I talked to him this morning and [...]
Do you mean that you talked to CARL BARKS this morning? Wow!
Arthur