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WILMER:
>"Pogo" was **very** popular in the USA in the 1950s and early
60s>Was it also popular in Europe?
No, Pogo is almost unknown in Europe. But I've heard about POGO
as an inspiration to Jeff Smith's BONE (which has been printed in
Denmark in album format).
Nisse Krenchel
Author
Topic: 199705
(174 messages)
NISSE JAKOB KRENCHEL
Pogo
Message 121 -
1997-05-19 at 23:58:12
Gary Leach
Disney comics Digest V97 #101/102
Message 122 -
1997-05-20 at 02:30:28
Poul:
>Now, the landfill investigated was the one on Staten Island in the
>wet New York. If Paper can last 40 years in wet conditions, what
>about the dry California where Western Publishings "Trash" Probably
>went?
I'm afraid investigating landfills is moot, and not just for the reasons
Dwight Decker related (though those would be enough!). Barks' art boards
only made a stop at Western's western editorial offices in Los Angeles
before being sent on Westerns productions facilities at either Racine,
Wisconsin, or Poughkeepsie, New York. Once there, photostats of the art
were made and stored (no microfilm; if only!); the boards were shot for
plate film, and then shredded. Of the art boards that have survived, a few
escaped the shredder by being "smuggled" out, and others, mostly from late
stories, were returned to Barks by his editor, Chase Craig, at Barks'
specific request.
Eirik:
>I just read Comics and Stories #605, and noticed that the cover was done by
>someone named Walt Kelly. I'm sure I've heard his name somewhere before,
>maybe in connection with something else ? Anyway, can somebody tell me who
>this guy is ?
Walt Kelly was creator, writer, and artist of Pogo, one of the most popular
American comic strips of the middle part of this century. He also did a lot
of comic book work for Western (and was, for a little while, a colleague of
Carl Barks' at the Disney Studios).
His biography is currently being fleshed out quite nicely by R.C. Harvey in
the Pogo comic strip collections currently being issued by Fantagraphics
(absolute Must Haves for any Pogophile!).
While I have always enjoyed Barks' work, and feel he has earned the acclaim
he's garnered, Kelly has always had a much higher place in my personal
pantheon of comics greats. That I had devoured a whole raft of Pogo comics
and strip collections before I ever encountered my first Barks story
probably has something to do with that.
Gary
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"You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you
think it means."
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>Now, the landfill investigated was the one on Staten Island in the
>wet New York. If Paper can last 40 years in wet conditions, what
>about the dry California where Western Publishings "Trash" Probably
>went?
I'm afraid investigating landfills is moot, and not just for the reasons
Dwight Decker related (though those would be enough!). Barks' art boards
only made a stop at Western's western editorial offices in Los Angeles
before being sent on Westerns productions facilities at either Racine,
Wisconsin, or Poughkeepsie, New York. Once there, photostats of the art
were made and stored (no microfilm; if only!); the boards were shot for
plate film, and then shredded. Of the art boards that have survived, a few
escaped the shredder by being "smuggled" out, and others, mostly from late
stories, were returned to Barks by his editor, Chase Craig, at Barks'
specific request.
Eirik:
>I just read Comics and Stories #605, and noticed that the cover was done by
>someone named Walt Kelly. I'm sure I've heard his name somewhere before,
>maybe in connection with something else ? Anyway, can somebody tell me who
>this guy is ?
Walt Kelly was creator, writer, and artist of Pogo, one of the most popular
American comic strips of the middle part of this century. He also did a lot
of comic book work for Western (and was, for a little while, a colleague of
Carl Barks' at the Disney Studios).
His biography is currently being fleshed out quite nicely by R.C. Harvey in
the Pogo comic strip collections currently being issued by Fantagraphics
(absolute Must Haves for any Pogophile!).
While I have always enjoyed Barks' work, and feel he has earned the acclaim
he's garnered, Kelly has always had a much higher place in my personal
pantheon of comics greats. That I had devoured a whole raft of Pogo comics
and strip collections before I ever encountered my first Barks story
probably has something to do with that.
Gary
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"You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you
think it means."
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Gladstone on the Web: http://www.hamlco.com/bhc/
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David Gerstein
Disney comics Digest V97 #102
Message 123 -
1997-05-20 at 04:21:07
ARILD:
Oh, so the soccer player kicking Mickey in "A Bomb Deal" is a
caricature of some celebrity named Ronaldo? I kind of figured as much --
when Ferioli sent his art to Byron and myself, he even included a note in
the margin, "does this guy look familiar to you?" I figured it had to be
someone important, but darned if I knew who he was!
So now you know -- I was out of the loop on the caricature that
wound up in my own story! Maybe you can tell me more about Ronaldo? Is
that a first name or a last name?
BTW, I think Ferioli's Mickeys in "A Bomb Deal" are about his best.
He draws a great Pop Weezil, too. I hope you enjoyed the end result!
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
Also <(Email removed)>
Oh, so the soccer player kicking Mickey in "A Bomb Deal" is a
caricature of some celebrity named Ronaldo? I kind of figured as much --
when Ferioli sent his art to Byron and myself, he even included a note in
the margin, "does this guy look familiar to you?" I figured it had to be
someone important, but darned if I knew who he was!
So now you know -- I was out of the loop on the caricature that
wound up in my own story! Maybe you can tell me more about Ronaldo? Is
that a first name or a last name?
BTW, I think Ferioli's Mickeys in "A Bomb Deal" are about his best.
He draws a great Pop Weezil, too. I hope you enjoyed the end result!
David Gerstein
<(Email removed)>
Also <(Email removed)>
Leonardo Gori
Pogo in Europe
Message 124 -
1997-05-20 at 09:48:10
WILMER:
>>"Pogo" was **very** popular in the USA in the 1950s and early
>>60s>Was it also popular in Europe?
>No, Pogo is almost unknown in Europe. But I've heard about POGO
>as an inspiration to Jeff Smith's BONE (which has been printed in
>Denmark in album format).
>Nisse Krenchel
POGO was *very* popular in Italy, almost from 1965 to 1980, thanks to the
magazine "Linus". In that review we were able to know in deep some other
masterworks like Krazy Kat, and re-read a lot of Li'l Abner, Dick Tracy,
Popeye, some great european comics and *many* articles about comic art.
The translations were a problem, expecially for Pogo and Li'l Abner, but at
that time we had very clever translators... Li'l Abner speech was rendered
in a strange "venetian dialect", and Pogo in a very creative way.
Hi
Leonardo Gori
(Email removed)
(Email removed)
http://www.agora.stm.it/L.Gori/home.htm
>>"Pogo" was **very** popular in the USA in the 1950s and early
>>60s>Was it also popular in Europe?
>No, Pogo is almost unknown in Europe. But I've heard about POGO
>as an inspiration to Jeff Smith's BONE (which has been printed in
>Denmark in album format).
>Nisse Krenchel
POGO was *very* popular in Italy, almost from 1965 to 1980, thanks to the
magazine "Linus". In that review we were able to know in deep some other
masterworks like Krazy Kat, and re-read a lot of Li'l Abner, Dick Tracy,
Popeye, some great european comics and *many* articles about comic art.
The translations were a problem, expecially for Pogo and Li'l Abner, but at
that time we had very clever translators... Li'l Abner speech was rendered
in a strange "venetian dialect", and Pogo in a very creative way.
Hi
Leonardo Gori
(Email removed)
(Email removed)
http://www.agora.stm.it/L.Gori/home.htm
Dr. Archontis Pantsios
Italian book on Rosa: a request
Message 125 -
1997-05-20 at 11:03:55
TO OUR ITALIAN COMRADES:
Could someone please send to the List some info on the book on Rosa, i.e.
its price, how one can buy it, etc. Well, yeah, I must admit that I don't
speak a word of Italian (ehm, actually, I understand a FEW words as some are
used in the Greek language), but what the heck! If I own books on Barks and
Rosa in other languages the writing of which I can't decipher, like Finnish,
Swedish, Norwegian and German, I figure I might as well add one in Italian!
Thanks in advance,
Archontis Pantsios
Could someone please send to the List some info on the book on Rosa, i.e.
its price, how one can buy it, etc. Well, yeah, I must admit that I don't
speak a word of Italian (ehm, actually, I understand a FEW words as some are
used in the Greek language), but what the heck! If I own books on Barks and
Rosa in other languages the writing of which I can't decipher, like Finnish,
Swedish, Norwegian and German, I figure I might as well add one in Italian!
Thanks in advance,
Archontis Pantsios
Kriton Kyrimis
Disney comics Digest V97 #103
Message 126 -
1997-05-20 at 13:55:23
CHRISTOPHER BARAT:
> ON THE GREAT LANDFILL DEBATE:
>
> Even if you COULD find pieces of Barks art in some California landfill -- and
> Dwight Decker's anecdote suggests that such a task is, indeed, akin to
> finding a needle in a haystack -- you would have to be one heck of a
> committed Duck fan to actually keep the booty in your collection. Just
> imagine the stench!
I would imagine that the really perishable items (e.g., food leftovers), whose
rotting causes the stench in landfills, would have rotted away a long time
ago.
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
-----
"I do not require worship. All I require is food."
-----
> ON THE GREAT LANDFILL DEBATE:
>
> Even if you COULD find pieces of Barks art in some California landfill -- and
> Dwight Decker's anecdote suggests that such a task is, indeed, akin to
> finding a needle in a haystack -- you would have to be one heck of a
> committed Duck fan to actually keep the booty in your collection. Just
> imagine the stench!
I would imagine that the really perishable items (e.g., food leftovers), whose
rotting causes the stench in landfills, would have rotted away a long time
ago.
--
Kriton (e-mail: (Email removed))
(WWW: http://dias.cti.gr/~kyrimis
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"I do not require worship. All I require is food."
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Jyrki Vainio
Translating Pogo & others
Message 127 -
1997-05-20 at 15:28:21
Yes, Pogo would indeed be VERY hard to translate to other languages...
I've seen only one short piece in Finnish. They've tried others, though,
there's for example a loving translation of Krazy Kat which also has the
elements of dialect and occasional nonsense. Perhaps the situation with
Pogo is a bit different - the stories aren't as "poetic" as in Krazy Kat.
There was an album translating Li'l Abner to a Finnish dialect some time
ago, but at least I personally didn't like it very much. And now they are
translating an Asterix album into it... (wonder when they start to
translate Barks into local dialects)
Another reason why Pogo is tied to the United States might be the satire
of national politics that is included - I mean, how many foreign papers
currently carry Doonesbury, for example?
Returning to Pogo, it most certainly is best enjoyed in the original
language (it's not only the translation but also the great lettering art)
- it might take while to understand what the characters are saying, but if
you are patient enough, you'll probably find yourself hooked for a
lifetime. That's what happened to me...
--- Jyrki Vainio ---
I've seen only one short piece in Finnish. They've tried others, though,
there's for example a loving translation of Krazy Kat which also has the
elements of dialect and occasional nonsense. Perhaps the situation with
Pogo is a bit different - the stories aren't as "poetic" as in Krazy Kat.
There was an album translating Li'l Abner to a Finnish dialect some time
ago, but at least I personally didn't like it very much. And now they are
translating an Asterix album into it... (wonder when they start to
translate Barks into local dialects)
Another reason why Pogo is tied to the United States might be the satire
of national politics that is included - I mean, how many foreign papers
currently carry Doonesbury, for example?
Returning to Pogo, it most certainly is best enjoyed in the original
language (it's not only the translation but also the great lettering art)
- it might take while to understand what the characters are saying, but if
you are patient enough, you'll probably find yourself hooked for a
lifetime. That's what happened to me...
--- Jyrki Vainio ---
Nils Lid Hjort
Rosa in Roma
Message 128 -
1997-05-20 at 16:56:00
I enjoyed Marco Barlotti's little report about Rosa in Roma. Thank you.
A couple of questions:
1. How can one buy the Italian book on Rosa by Becattini, Gori and Stajano?
Can you briefly inform us about its contents (number of pages, etc.)?
How much does it cost?
2. You mentioned Rosa/organisers auctioning off three colour drawings for
Amnesty International. Approximately how much did they sell for?
3. We know Don/Keno has Italian ancestors. Approximately where on the
Italian map would he place these roots of his?
Nils Lid Hjort
A couple of questions:
1. How can one buy the Italian book on Rosa by Becattini, Gori and Stajano?
Can you briefly inform us about its contents (number of pages, etc.)?
How much does it cost?
2. You mentioned Rosa/organisers auctioning off three colour drawings for
Amnesty International. Approximately how much did they sell for?
3. We know Don/Keno has Italian ancestors. Approximately where on the
Italian map would he place these roots of his?
Nils Lid Hjort
Arild
"A bomb deal" - Ronaldo
Message 129 -
1997-05-20 at 23:02:53
DAVID:
Yes I enjoyed the ending of "A bomb deal" very much, mostly because Mickey
wants to go out playing soccer in the last panel (in the norwegian
translation anyway). Probably since I am an eager footballer myself.
But also cause of Feriolis magnificent art. And he indeed draws the best
Mickey ever, passing my previous favourite, Murry, by a mile in art.
----OFF TOPIC WARNING!!!----
RONALDO is a brazilian soccerplayer. An attacker. He is about 20 years old.
I do not know his entire name. It is probably very long, as nearly all
brazilian names. But just about every soccerplayer have a nickname, and this
guys nickname is Ronaldo.
Last year, Ronaldo was elected player of the year in the world. When he was
only 17 he was in the Brazilian squad in the World Cup in USA (which is THE
tournament in soccer). He is often called the new Pel=E8. Pel=E8 is the best
soccerplayer the world has ever seen.
Ronaldo is currently playing for Barcelona in Spain. But Ronaldo is phenomen
within soccer, so lots of other football-clubs(soccer-clubs in america) want
him in their squad, scoring goals for them. These potential buying clubs all
have their own little personal money bins and they are bidding amounts like
45, 75 and 125 million US dollars!!!!!
I'll leave the rest of the facts on Ronaldo to your imagination.
But if anyone wanna now anything more about him, I'll be happy to write you
in private mail.
-- end of off topic stuff --
_______________________________________________________________________
A R I L D
Yes I enjoyed the ending of "A bomb deal" very much, mostly because Mickey
wants to go out playing soccer in the last panel (in the norwegian
translation anyway). Probably since I am an eager footballer myself.
But also cause of Feriolis magnificent art. And he indeed draws the best
Mickey ever, passing my previous favourite, Murry, by a mile in art.
----OFF TOPIC WARNING!!!----
RONALDO is a brazilian soccerplayer. An attacker. He is about 20 years old.
I do not know his entire name. It is probably very long, as nearly all
brazilian names. But just about every soccerplayer have a nickname, and this
guys nickname is Ronaldo.
Last year, Ronaldo was elected player of the year in the world. When he was
only 17 he was in the Brazilian squad in the World Cup in USA (which is THE
tournament in soccer). He is often called the new Pel=E8. Pel=E8 is the best
soccerplayer the world has ever seen.
Ronaldo is currently playing for Barcelona in Spain. But Ronaldo is phenomen
within soccer, so lots of other football-clubs(soccer-clubs in america) want
him in their squad, scoring goals for them. These potential buying clubs all
have their own little personal money bins and they are bidding amounts like
45, 75 and 125 million US dollars!!!!!
I'll leave the rest of the facts on Ronaldo to your imagination.
But if anyone wanna now anything more about him, I'll be happy to write you
in private mail.
-- end of off topic stuff --
_______________________________________________________________________
A R I L D
Gary Leach
Disney comics Digest V97 #103
Message 130 -
1997-05-21 at 02:13:01
TO ALL:
Eirik wrote:
>I've been reading the Digests for a few months now, and just every two
>weeks someone mentions having bought (or even gotten FREE) Gladstone CBL
>albums at various comics conventions. Doesn't anyone else get provoked by
>this ? These albums are *very* expensive but I try to buy as many as I can,
>and then I hear about people walking away from conventions with all CBL
>Comics & Stories albums for half the price! This isn't a very sympathetic
>thing by Gladstone to do!
I've long since stopped wondering whether to laugh or cry about this.
Clearly, Eirik has a tremendous amount to learn about both the marketplace
and about making assumptions - and he's hardly alone. On the other hand,
these are the sort of lumps a "brand name" has to take.
Fact: Gladstone is not attending conventions and giving away albums (or
even selling them at half price).
Fact: Convention dealers can do whatever they want with their merchandise:
sell it at half price, give it away as a premium for buying something else
from their stock, hand it out to people for nothing, or shred it and eat it
for breakfast. Publishers have no control over this.
And that's all there is to it.
Gary
****************************
"You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you
think it means."
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Gladstone on the Web: http://www.hamlco.com/bhc/
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Eirik wrote:
>I've been reading the Digests for a few months now, and just every two
>weeks someone mentions having bought (or even gotten FREE) Gladstone CBL
>albums at various comics conventions. Doesn't anyone else get provoked by
>this ? These albums are *very* expensive but I try to buy as many as I can,
>and then I hear about people walking away from conventions with all CBL
>Comics & Stories albums for half the price! This isn't a very sympathetic
>thing by Gladstone to do!
I've long since stopped wondering whether to laugh or cry about this.
Clearly, Eirik has a tremendous amount to learn about both the marketplace
and about making assumptions - and he's hardly alone. On the other hand,
these are the sort of lumps a "brand name" has to take.
Fact: Gladstone is not attending conventions and giving away albums (or
even selling them at half price).
Fact: Convention dealers can do whatever they want with their merchandise:
sell it at half price, give it away as a premium for buying something else
from their stock, hand it out to people for nothing, or shred it and eat it
for breakfast. Publishers have no control over this.
And that's all there is to it.
Gary
****************************
"You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you
think it means."
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Gladstone on the Web: http://www.hamlco.com/bhc/
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Jakob Soederbaum
News......
Message 131 -
1997-05-21 at 03:59:21
Ahoy there!
Here are some news about my part of the net:
1. I just made the Disney Comics part of my webpage a site of its own.
The new address is: http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-47991/
2. I finally uploaded the promised 40 sec Don Rosa video-clip to the page.
It can be found at: http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-47991/dr_avi.zip
That's all for now, see ya!
---
/Jack
Here are some news about my part of the net:
1. I just made the Disney Comics part of my webpage a site of its own.
The new address is: http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-47991/
2. I finally uploaded the promised 40 sec Don Rosa video-clip to the page.
It can be found at: http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-47991/dr_avi.zip
That's all for now, see ya!
---
/Jack
Mike Schneiderath
My Don Rosa fan page needs suggestions!
Message 132 -
1997-05-21 at 20:04:30
Hi everyone!
I am currently trying to bulid a web page featuring Don Rosa and
his Comics. And I would like to hear what you think should be put on
Rosa Webpage or what you would like to see on such a page.
Please check out at:
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lights/3140/
And give me your suggestions under:
(Email removed)
(Email removed)
(Email removed)
Thanks,
Mike
I am currently trying to bulid a web page featuring Don Rosa and
his Comics. And I would like to hear what you think should be put on
Rosa Webpage or what you would like to see on such a page.
Please check out at:
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lights/3140/
And give me your suggestions under:
(Email removed)
(Email removed)
(Email removed)
Thanks,
Mike
Fredrik Sandstrom
Disney comics Digest V97 #103
Message 133 -
1997-05-21 at 20:20:48
KRITON:
>When I was little, I covered a coin with a handful of sand in the sanbox
>I had been playing, and then tried to find it; I never did.
But when Donald was buried in the money bin, uncle Scrooge had no
problem finding him once he knew where to look! :)
(I'm talking about Rosa's "The Money Pit", in case you didn't figure
it out!)
/------------------------------|-------------------------------------\
| Fredrik Sandstrom | What a night! I'll never mix radish |
| (Email removed) | juice and carrot juice again! |
| http://www.compart.fi/~fred/ | - Bugs Bunny |
\------------------------------|-------------------------------------/
>When I was little, I covered a coin with a handful of sand in the sanbox
>I had been playing, and then tried to find it; I never did.
But when Donald was buried in the money bin, uncle Scrooge had no
problem finding him once he knew where to look! :)
(I'm talking about Rosa's "The Money Pit", in case you didn't figure
it out!)
/------------------------------|-------------------------------------\
| Fredrik Sandstrom | What a night! I'll never mix radish |
| (Email removed) | juice and carrot juice again! |
| http://www.compart.fi/~fred/ | - Bugs Bunny |
\------------------------------|-------------------------------------/
Harry Fluks
Counting the DD Adventures
Message 134 -
1997-05-21 at 20:57:55
SOEREN:
> The issue counts from Disney's DD Adventures and Gladstone's DD
> Adventures are crossing!
Gladstone started with DDA #1 in their first run. The last issue was #20.
Then Disney Comics took over, and started again with DDA #1. After #38,
Gladstone was in business again, and resumed their own counting at #21.
So there are two series: one by Gladstone, and one by Disney Comics
(the latter is called "DDAD" in the Database).
--Harry.
> The issue counts from Disney's DD Adventures and Gladstone's DD
> Adventures are crossing!
Gladstone started with DDA #1 in their first run. The last issue was #20.
Then Disney Comics took over, and started again with DDA #1. After #38,
Gladstone was in business again, and resumed their own counting at #21.
So there are two series: one by Gladstone, and one by Disney Comics
(the latter is called "DDAD" in the Database).
--Harry.
Harry Fluks
Don Rosa fan page needs suggestions!
Message 135 -
1997-05-21 at 22:25:29
MIKE:
> I would like to hear what you think should be put on
> Rosa Webpage or what you would like to see on such a page.
Such a page should at least have a link to all the other pages on Don
Rosa, by Dan Shane, Per Starback, Jack Soederbaum, Arthur de Wolf,
Frank Stajano, me, and some others.
If there is still something to tell or show that's not on one of these
pages, add it to your own. 8-)
--Harry.
> I would like to hear what you think should be put on
> Rosa Webpage or what you would like to see on such a page.
Such a page should at least have a link to all the other pages on Don
Rosa, by Dan Shane, Per Starback, Jack Soederbaum, Arthur de Wolf,
Frank Stajano, me, and some others.
If there is still something to tell or show that's not on one of these
pages, add it to your own. 8-)
--Harry.