Uh oh...
I don't want to say too much about this -- and maybe
it's already common knowledge on the ML and I just
missed the discussion, but...
I just got the latest issue of The Comics Journal
(dated April when it's almost June, but that's typical
for them). There's a one-page article in the news
section relevant to our interests. Basically, Bruce
Hamilton, publisher of Gladstone Comics and Barks art
prints, is suing Barks, Barks's agents (the Grandeys),
and somebody else for breach of contract, among other
things.
The suit was filed in early April but this is the first
I heard about it. As I said, I don't want to go into this
too much -- all I know is what I read in the Journal, and
I'll just point interested parties in that direction.
--Dwight Decker
PS: Bulls don't win bullfights. People do. But then who
wins people-fights? Lawyers.
Author
Topic: 199705
(174 messages)
Deckerd
Only the lawyers will win
Message 166 -
1997-05-29 at 00:11:32
Ole R. Nielsen
Ferioli - and another eulogy of Don
Message 167 -
1997-05-29 at 16:54:27
Juergen asked:
>So, is Ferioli a Stallone fan, too, or am I just imagining things?
That's a probable yes, and a definite no.
In another of Ferioli's stories - I'm not sure right now which
serial it was - two bodyguard types were 'played by' Sylvester
Stallone and Arnold Schwarzenegger (wot, _another_ Austrian!?)
So maybe the good Cesar F. is watching the same Hollywood drivel
as everyone else on the planet, and maybe he likes it too.
On several occations, which also elude me at the moment (I'm
helpless without my 30 cubic feet of source material!), he has
made allusions to movies, though his taste is more modern than,
say, the classics Don like so much.
And Don asked what I meant with the word 'poaching' in my last
letter. The word was not accurately translated for one thing:
what's the word for logging timber/chopping trees/killing rain
forests anyway? And the context of the word was that the nasty
rumors about Don's alledged [exploitation] of Barks' works had
come to Jannick's ear, and since he disagreed completely, he
wanted to research it - possibly for an article, Jannick Storm
being a comics translator and editor. That's all there is to it.
To state the obvious yet again, in different words: just about
every Disney artist is in some way building on Barks' work;
using his world and characters, and often trying to copy the
general formula of the stories. But only Don gives Barks the
credit for founding Duckburg as we know it, and knows it well
enough to correspond 100% with it.
He is also the only one with a talent that rivals the old
master's; sure there are other good artists and good writers,
but Don is _both_. He's just about the only writer who dares
explore the boundaries of the Duckburg universe and expand our
understanding of it - whereas, say, William Van Horn is mostly
reducing it to the lowest common denominator.
If you've read Freddy Milton's "The Big Sneeze" you'll know
how easily some duck stories translate into Woody Woodpecker
stories, but even reworks of material from Don's pre-Disney
days are duck tales at the very heart.
And that's what makes Don so successful: he's not a professional.
He cares enough for a story not just to make it good enough for the
editors to buy it - it must be as good as he can possibly do.
--ole
"In the perfect state the philosophers are rulers, and the
fans are editors." (Plato paraphrased)
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>So, is Ferioli a Stallone fan, too, or am I just imagining things?
That's a probable yes, and a definite no.
In another of Ferioli's stories - I'm not sure right now which
serial it was - two bodyguard types were 'played by' Sylvester
Stallone and Arnold Schwarzenegger (wot, _another_ Austrian!?)
So maybe the good Cesar F. is watching the same Hollywood drivel
as everyone else on the planet, and maybe he likes it too.
On several occations, which also elude me at the moment (I'm
helpless without my 30 cubic feet of source material!), he has
made allusions to movies, though his taste is more modern than,
say, the classics Don like so much.
And Don asked what I meant with the word 'poaching' in my last
letter. The word was not accurately translated for one thing:
what's the word for logging timber/chopping trees/killing rain
forests anyway? And the context of the word was that the nasty
rumors about Don's alledged [exploitation] of Barks' works had
come to Jannick's ear, and since he disagreed completely, he
wanted to research it - possibly for an article, Jannick Storm
being a comics translator and editor. That's all there is to it.
To state the obvious yet again, in different words: just about
every Disney artist is in some way building on Barks' work;
using his world and characters, and often trying to copy the
general formula of the stories. But only Don gives Barks the
credit for founding Duckburg as we know it, and knows it well
enough to correspond 100% with it.
He is also the only one with a talent that rivals the old
master's; sure there are other good artists and good writers,
but Don is _both_. He's just about the only writer who dares
explore the boundaries of the Duckburg universe and expand our
understanding of it - whereas, say, William Van Horn is mostly
reducing it to the lowest common denominator.
If you've read Freddy Milton's "The Big Sneeze" you'll know
how easily some duck stories translate into Woody Woodpecker
stories, but even reworks of material from Don's pre-Disney
days are duck tales at the very heart.
And that's what makes Don so successful: he's not a professional.
He cares enough for a story not just to make it good enough for the
editors to buy it - it must be as good as he can possibly do.
--ole
"In the perfect state the philosophers are rulers, and the
fans are editors." (Plato paraphrased)
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #109
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Mike Pohjola
Disney comics Digest V97 #108
Message 168 -
1997-05-29 at 17:44:57
Vidar:
>ÄMarco Rota's latestÅ story is OK, but the ending wasn't too surprising.
>Could somebody give him a better story to draw???
The story? I hardly noticed it if there was any. Donald falls
asleep, has a nightmare, wakes up, the end. It all seemed like a giant
one-pager with no real purpose. Or had it been shortened to maybe three
pages it might've made an okay beginning to a longer story but as such
it seemed like just a "hallucination scene" with no plot of its own.
Just think how Dumbo would've been like if the only scene in the movie
had been the one about the pink elephants but 20 times longer.
I mean, at no point was the reader in doubt of the reality in
which Donald was. It was immediately obvious that it was a mere nightmare.
And even if it hadn't been it would've ruined a fine impressionistic tale
to have it as a final solution that Gyro just wakes Donald up and he
notices it was all a bad dream.
However, I really agree with you that Marco Rota is a great
artist and deserves some proper stories to draw.
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
>ÄMarco Rota's latestÅ story is OK, but the ending wasn't too surprising.
>Could somebody give him a better story to draw???
The story? I hardly noticed it if there was any. Donald falls
asleep, has a nightmare, wakes up, the end. It all seemed like a giant
one-pager with no real purpose. Or had it been shortened to maybe three
pages it might've made an okay beginning to a longer story but as such
it seemed like just a "hallucination scene" with no plot of its own.
Just think how Dumbo would've been like if the only scene in the movie
had been the one about the pink elephants but 20 times longer.
I mean, at no point was the reader in doubt of the reality in
which Donald was. It was immediately obvious that it was a mere nightmare.
And even if it hadn't been it would've ruined a fine impressionistic tale
to have it as a final solution that Gyro just wakes Donald up and he
notices it was all a bad dream.
However, I really agree with you that Marco Rota is a great
artist and deserves some proper stories to draw.
--
Mike - The Finnish Trekkie
Alexander Gruenke
Comic shops in Strasbourg
Message 169 -
1997-05-29 at 18:20:53
Could anybody send me some adresses of comic shops in Strasbourg,
please?
Thanks in advance, Alexander
--
MdD Alexander Gruenke | (Email removed)
Germany | http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7707/index.html
please?
Thanks in advance, Alexander
--
MdD Alexander Gruenke | (Email removed)
Germany | http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7707/index.html
Cebarat
Disney comics Digest V97 #109
Message 170 -
1997-05-30 at 05:10:41
In his "eulogy" (sic) of Don Rosa, Ole Neilsen wrote:
<<To state the obvious yet again, in different words: just about
every Disney artist is in some way building on Barks' work;
using his world and characters, and often trying to copy the
general formula of the stories. But only Don gives Barks the
credit for founding Duckburg as we know it, and knows it well
enough to correspond 100% with it.
He is also the only one with a talent that rivals the old
master's; sure there are other good artists and good writers,
but Don is _both_. He's just about the only writer who dares
explore the boundaries of the Duckburg universe and expand our
understanding of it - whereas, say, William Van Horn is mostly
reducing it to the lowest common denominator.>>
Sorry, but I can't agree with this assessment of Van Horn's work. Here are
the reasons why:
(1) As Ole says, every artist and writer who has followed in Carl's
footsteps has in some sense "built" on Barks' foundation. However, it is
possible to do so in very different -- and equally valid -- ways. Don appears
to be most inspired by the classic adventure stories in the early DONALD DUCK
comics and the first 70-odd issues of UNCLE SCROOGE. Van Horn appears to
draw his inspiration from the 10-pagers in WALT DISNEY'S COMICS. I firmly
believe that BOTH of these sources are equally valid as "foundations". Van
Horn's choice to concentrate on the short, humorous duck story (the type of
story, let's remember, that made WDC&S the best-selling American comic book
of all time) does NOT automatically represent a reduction to the "lowest
common denominator," but rather, a free choice to specialize in a somewhat
different type of story than the "far-ranging adventure".
(2) Van Horn has done his part to "expand" the parameters of the particular
genre in which he works. He took Barks' occasional "wacky" humor (such as
funny names for incidental characters) and pushed it out to new boundaries.
Recall the running gag about Bulgaria that he used in a number of his early
stories -- "Scrooge's bubble-gum factory in Bulgaria" and the like. He also
has peopled his stories with huge numbers of weird characters -- "Van Horn
looneys" I like to call them. This definitely represents an "expansion" of
our understanding of what sorts of humor can work in a short, humorous Duck
story. (I don't know -- perhaps this humor loses something in translation.)
Perhaps Ole can amplify what he meant by "reduction to the lowest common
denominator." That is often interpreted as meaning "cheapening to fit the
tastes of a mass audience," and I don't believe it has ever been Van Horn's
intention to do that.
-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
Homepage http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
"THERE COMES A TIME IN A MAN'S LIFE WHEN HE MUST...INCORPORATE."
-- Scrooge McDuck, "DuckTales" episode "Till Nephews Do Us Part"
<<To state the obvious yet again, in different words: just about
every Disney artist is in some way building on Barks' work;
using his world and characters, and often trying to copy the
general formula of the stories. But only Don gives Barks the
credit for founding Duckburg as we know it, and knows it well
enough to correspond 100% with it.
He is also the only one with a talent that rivals the old
master's; sure there are other good artists and good writers,
but Don is _both_. He's just about the only writer who dares
explore the boundaries of the Duckburg universe and expand our
understanding of it - whereas, say, William Van Horn is mostly
reducing it to the lowest common denominator.>>
Sorry, but I can't agree with this assessment of Van Horn's work. Here are
the reasons why:
(1) As Ole says, every artist and writer who has followed in Carl's
footsteps has in some sense "built" on Barks' foundation. However, it is
possible to do so in very different -- and equally valid -- ways. Don appears
to be most inspired by the classic adventure stories in the early DONALD DUCK
comics and the first 70-odd issues of UNCLE SCROOGE. Van Horn appears to
draw his inspiration from the 10-pagers in WALT DISNEY'S COMICS. I firmly
believe that BOTH of these sources are equally valid as "foundations". Van
Horn's choice to concentrate on the short, humorous duck story (the type of
story, let's remember, that made WDC&S the best-selling American comic book
of all time) does NOT automatically represent a reduction to the "lowest
common denominator," but rather, a free choice to specialize in a somewhat
different type of story than the "far-ranging adventure".
(2) Van Horn has done his part to "expand" the parameters of the particular
genre in which he works. He took Barks' occasional "wacky" humor (such as
funny names for incidental characters) and pushed it out to new boundaries.
Recall the running gag about Bulgaria that he used in a number of his early
stories -- "Scrooge's bubble-gum factory in Bulgaria" and the like. He also
has peopled his stories with huge numbers of weird characters -- "Van Horn
looneys" I like to call them. This definitely represents an "expansion" of
our understanding of what sorts of humor can work in a short, humorous Duck
story. (I don't know -- perhaps this humor loses something in translation.)
Perhaps Ole can amplify what he meant by "reduction to the lowest common
denominator." That is often interpreted as meaning "cheapening to fit the
tastes of a mass audience," and I don't believe it has ever been Van Horn's
intention to do that.
-- Christopher E. Barat
(Email removed)
Homepage http://members.aol.com/cebarat/home.htm
"THERE COMES A TIME IN A MAN'S LIFE WHEN HE MUST...INCORPORATE."
-- Scrooge McDuck, "DuckTales" episode "Till Nephews Do Us Part"
Ivar Cavanagh
Danish Disney Comic WWW Site
Message 171 -
1997-05-30 at 18:06:38
Text item: Text_1
Hi guys.
Just wanted to draw your attension to a Danish site on the WWW
It has among other things pictures of Cars from Duckburg and pictures
of the evolution of various characters from the 1930's up to today.
It is only partly in English, but if you click on any tag with a
Disney character on you should be safe.
You will find it on:
http://www2.dk-online.dk/users/tst-stamp-sale/cart.htm
There is also a complete price guide of "Anders And & Co" and other
duck publications from Gutenberghus, but I guess this is only of
interest to the Danish audience.
It would maby be interesting to put the link on the Disney Comics
Database home page - What do you say Per?
/Ivar
Hi guys.
Just wanted to draw your attension to a Danish site on the WWW
It has among other things pictures of Cars from Duckburg and pictures
of the evolution of various characters from the 1930's up to today.
It is only partly in English, but if you click on any tag with a
Disney character on you should be safe.
You will find it on:
http://www2.dk-online.dk/users/tst-stamp-sale/cart.htm
There is also a complete price guide of "Anders And & Co" and other
duck publications from Gutenberghus, but I guess this is only of
interest to the Danish audience.
It would maby be interesting to put the link on the Disney Comics
Database home page - What do you say Per?
/Ivar
Nils Lid Hjort
Suing Barks & Grandeys
Message 172 -
1997-05-30 at 19:00:47
Dwight Decker informs us:
> Basically, Bruce Hamilton, publisher of Gladstone Comics and Barks art
> prints, is suing Barks, Barks's agents (the Grandeys),
> and somebody else for breach of contract, among other things.
Sad. Suing Barks (living legend, eternal hero, this century's
Hans Christian Andersen) is like suing Mother Teresa -- it's simply
not done. I thought. (She asked the bakery in Seattle not to promote
the "Nun Bun" in the way they did, and they obliged. Of course.)
Dwight sounded hesitant in a perhaps unintended intriguing sort of way, and
does not seem about to dive into a long discursion of what he knows goes on
here. Nevertheless, could you, or others, give some more "basic information"
to those amongst us who know far less? What, according to the Comics Journal,
is it that Barks & the Grandeys are being sued for? Which contract has
(allegedly) been breached? Are big sums at stake here, or "only" principles
and small sums?
This ML needs to be informed about this. And we should hope that big dog-fights
with too many lawyers can be avoided.
Nils Lid Hjort
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> Basically, Bruce Hamilton, publisher of Gladstone Comics and Barks art
> prints, is suing Barks, Barks's agents (the Grandeys),
> and somebody else for breach of contract, among other things.
Sad. Suing Barks (living legend, eternal hero, this century's
Hans Christian Andersen) is like suing Mother Teresa -- it's simply
not done. I thought. (She asked the bakery in Seattle not to promote
the "Nun Bun" in the way they did, and they obliged. Of course.)
Dwight sounded hesitant in a perhaps unintended intriguing sort of way, and
does not seem about to dive into a long discursion of what he knows goes on
here. Nevertheless, could you, or others, give some more "basic information"
to those amongst us who know far less? What, according to the Comics Journal,
is it that Barks & the Grandeys are being sued for? Which contract has
(allegedly) been breached? Are big sums at stake here, or "only" principles
and small sums?
This ML needs to be informed about this. And we should hope that big dog-fights
with too many lawyers can be avoided.
Nils Lid Hjort
--------------------------------
End of Disney comics Digest V97 Issue #110
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Alexander Gruenke
Picsou #300
Message 173 -
1997-05-30 at 23:10:30
TO OUR FRENCH MEMBERS:
Could anybody reorder Picsou #300 for me, please? I'll refund the costs,
of course. Or I could swap something for it.
Thanks in advance, Alexander
--
MdD Alexander Gruenke | (Email removed)
Germany | http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7707/index.html
Could anybody reorder Picsou #300 for me, please? I'll refund the costs,
of course. Or I could swap something for it.
Thanks in advance, Alexander
--
MdD Alexander Gruenke | (Email removed)
Germany | http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7707/index.html
BBranvold
James Smith
Message 174 -
1997-05-31 at 06:29:05
James- I do not have your e-mail address and I can help you get those
missing
Rosa stories. write me! ---Barry---
missing
Rosa stories. write me! ---Barry---